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1. 05:13 AM - Re: Marvel mystery oil (womenfly2)
2. 06:04 AM - MMO etc (Lawrence Williams)
3. 06:11 AM - Re: Re: Question for GN-1 drivers (skipgadd@earthlink.net)
4. 06:17 AM - Re: Re: Marvel mystery oil (Amsafetyc)
5. 06:26 AM - Re: Re: Marvel mystery oil (TOM STINEMETZE)
6. 06:41 AM - Re: Re: Question for GN-1 drivers (Jim Markle)
7. 07:15 AM - Re: Marvel mystery oil (Dan Yocum)
8. 09:07 AM - Re: Re: Marvel mystery oil (ellery voge)
9. 06:20 PM - Re: Re: Marvel mystery oil (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB)
10. 06:48 PM - Wings On! (cjborsuk)
11. 07:03 PM - Re: Wings On! (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
12. 07:11 PM - Re: Re: Marvel mystery oil OFF LIST (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
13. 07:15 PM - Re: Re: Marvel mystery oil OFF LIST (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
14. 07:16 PM - Re: Wings On! (John Hofmann)
15. 09:06 PM - Re: Wings On! (Gary Boothe)
16. 09:07 PM - Re: Re: Marvel mystery oil OFF LIST (Gary Boothe)
17. 09:14 PM - Jim Markle (Gary Boothe)
18. 09:26 PM - Re: Jim Markle (Ryan Mueller)
19. 09:34 PM - Re: Jim Markle (Gene Rambo)
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| Subject: | Re: Marvel mystery oil |
First one has to think about the product and the company. Would they sell a product
that would congeal in fuel as stated above? Not really, I would think if
they did the company would have closed a long time ago. MMO is simply just a naphtha
based solvent. Therefore mixes well with gasoline.
Second, MMO is high in detergents and do a good cleaning job, possibility that
problems people have maybe do to the suspension of the dissolved solids in the
gas which can lead to clog fuel filters and strainers making one think its the
MMO product itself.
Many pilots and mechanics use it, even at the field where I fly, from a DC3 to
all the flight training Cubs. One has ever had any issues with MMO.
.... old wives's tale and hanger talk, defiantly.
JMHO
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Ryan....right on!! That's what a lot of us were thinking anyway. I find that one
teaspoon of MMO in the morning keeps me regular. Based on that, I can only assume
that it isn't a "clogging agent" as has been asserted.
Steel-on steel?? It's always amazing that we aren't all smoking holes in the ground
whenever someone uncovers such a serious design flaw in BHP's design. Now
all our control systems will have to be disassembled and upgraded prior to B'head.
Next, we should consider LG pivots, bell-crank bearings, control hinges,
etc. It's too much to worry about, I'm burning mine before something seizes up
in flight.
I have noticed a trend for some on the list to usurp some of my duties as TOP CURMUDGEON.
Stop it!! I may have to give up my title soon anyway as my wife has
me on new medication so the veins in my neck don't explode when I read the Matronics
digest each morning. (So far it ain't working too well.)
What this country needs is more:
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Larry W.
xcg, xcmr, eaa, ama, ushpa, usaa, bpa, 1ar9, tc
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| Subject: | Re: Question for GN-1 drivers |
Don and all,
Hales Landing is a neat place. We are having out Spring Picnic June 2 2012
and Piet people are definitely invited. Hales landing is on the Cincinnati
sectional 12 miles south of Parkersburg WV, PKB. Contact me off list for
more info.
Skip
> [Original Message]
> From: Don Emch <EmchAir@aol.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 4/11/2012 11:37:22 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Question for GN-1 drivers
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> Skip...
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> Beautiful picture! I really need to get down there some time and check
your place out.
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> Don Emch
> NX899DE
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| Subject: | Re: Marvel mystery oil |
One also has to remember that there are rules in chemistry that dictate mixing
order of substances. First comes safety add acid to water not water to acid. It's
called reactivity, additionally the order in which chemicals are combined
my adversely impact the resultant mixture and instead of a dispersion you end
up with rocks.
For the desired result one must follow the mix sequence as in a specific recipe.
It is entirely possible for a substance to congeal if it is not mixed properly
or in the proper order. Unless you're mixing tap water with tap water.
We all being people of science would prefer to debate anecdotal information forever
rather than to conduct simple scientific research (a lab )and acquire exact
information that accepts the notion or refutes it once and for all!
Ahhhhh yes sweet resolution learning the answer is not quite as much fun as beating
the issue to death and allowing it to come up again in 6 or so months for
another endless round of debate
John
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 12, 2012, at 8:13 AM, "womenfly2" <Love2Fly.KAP@gmail.com> wrote:
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> First one has to think about the product and the company. Would they sell a product
that would congeal in fuel as stated above? Not really, I would think if
they did the company would have closed a long time ago. MMO is simply just a
naphtha based solvent. Therefore mixes well with gasoline.
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> Second, MMO is high in detergents and do a good cleaning job, possibility that
problems people have maybe do to the suspension of the dissolved solids in the
gas which can lead to clog fuel filters and strainers making one think its
the MMO product itself.
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> Many pilots and mechanics use it, even at the field where I fly, from a DC3 to
all the flight training Cubs. One has ever had any issues with MMO.
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> .... old wives's tale and hanger talk, defiantly.
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> JMHO
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| Subject: | Re: Marvel mystery oil |
>>>One also has to remember that there are rules in chemistry that dictate mixing
order of substances. First comes safety add acid to water not water to acid.
It's called reactivity, additionally the order in which chemicals are combined
my adversely impact the resultant mixture and instead of a dispersion you end
up with rocks. >>>
So, are you saying we need to pour the MMO into the gasoline or the gasoline into
the MMO? I'm so confused!
Stinemetze
(tempted to become a curmudgeon)
Oh and . . Do not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: Question for GN-1 drivers |
new entry for bucket list.....
-----Original Message-----
>From: "skipgadd@earthlink.net" <skipgadd@earthlink.net>
>Sent: Apr 12, 2012 8:11 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Question for GN-1 drivers
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>Don and all,
>Hales Landing is a neat place. We are having out Spring Picnic June 2 2012
>and Piet people are definitely invited. Hales landing is on the Cincinnati
>sectional 12 miles south of Parkersburg WV, PKB. Contact me off list for
>more info.
>Skip
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>> [Original Message]
>> From: Don Emch <EmchAir@aol.com>
>> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>> Date: 4/11/2012 11:37:22 AM
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Question for GN-1 drivers
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>> Skip...
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>> Beautiful picture! I really need to get down there some time and check
>your place out.
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>> Don Emch
>> NX899DE
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| Subject: | Re: Marvel mystery oil |
Who you callin' old??
But, I totally agree. More than likely any sludge in the gascolator would've
come from varnish caused by auto gas sitting around over a winter.
I don't feel old...
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For Top Curmudgeon
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Dan Yocum
yocum137@gmail.com
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
On Apr 11, 2012, at 3:47 PM, Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com> wrote:
> No offense, but that sounds like old wive's tales. Even if you pour it dir
ectly into the tank without adding the fuel, the act of taxiing to the runwa
y and the vibration of the engine is going to cause agitation tank that sho
uld disperse the additive. And either way....MMO would have to sludge up pre
tty well to clog the input fitting on the gascolator....and if it didn't clo
g until it was in the gascolator, what would be so different about swirling a
round in the gascolator than in the tank? Just old guys telling stories for s
omething to do....
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> Ryan
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> On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Dick N <horzpool@goldengate.net> wrote:
> I am going to give a word of caution on MMO. When adding it to gas if you
choose to, add it to a small amount of gas and shake up the can very well.
I have been told by a couple of older men from my EAA chapter about a coupl
e of crashes of J-3's using MMO.
> The cause of the crashes was the MMO going directely to the gascolater and
not alowing fuel to get thru.
> Dick N.
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| Subject: | Re: Marvel mystery oil |
Best info. so far on this subject. ELV
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Marvel mystery oil
> From: Love2Fly.KAP@gmail.com
> Date: Thu=2C 12 Apr 2012 05:13:29 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
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> First one has to think about the product and the company. Would they sell
a product that would congeal in fuel as stated above? Not really=2C I woul
d think if they did the company would have closed a long time ago. MMO is s
imply just a naphtha based solvent. Therefore mixes well with gasoline.
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> Second=2C MMO is high in detergents and do a good cleaning job=2C possibi
lity that problems people have maybe do to the suspension of the dissolved
solids in the gas which can lead to clog fuel filters and strainers making
one think its the MMO product itself.
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> Many pilots and mechanics use it=2C even at the field where I fly=2C from
a DC3 to all the flight training Cubs. One has ever had any issues with MM
O.
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> JMHO
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| Subject: | Re: Marvel mystery oil |
John, you must remember "No horse is ever so dead that it cannot be beaten some
more!"
;+}
Steve D
----- Original Message -----
From: Amsafetyc <amsafetyc@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Marvel mystery oil
>
> One also has to remember that there are rules in chemistry that dictate mixing
order of substances. First comes safety add acid to water
> not water to acid. It's called reactivity, additionally the order
> in which chemicals are combined my adversely impact the resultant
> mixture and instead of a dispersion you end up with rocks.
>
> For the desired result one must follow the mix sequence as in a
> specific recipe. It is entirely possible for a substance to congeal
> if it is not mixed properly or in the proper order. Unless you're
> mixing tap water with tap water.
>
> We all being people of science would prefer to debate anecdotal
> information forever rather than to conduct simple scientific
> research (a lab )and acquire exact information that accepts the
> notion or refutes it once and for all!
>
> Ahhhhh yes sweet resolution learning the answer is not quite as
> much fun as beating the issue to death and allowing it to come up
> again in 6 or so months for another endless round of debate
>
> John
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 12, 2012, at 8:13 AM, "womenfly2" < wrote:
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> > First one has to think about the product and the company. Would they sell a
product that would congeal in fuel as stated above? Not really, I would think
if they did the company would have closed a long time ago. MMO is simply just
a naphtha based solvent. Therefore mixes well with gasoline.
> >
> > Second, MMO is high in detergents and do a good cleaning job, possibility that
problems people have maybe do to the suspension of the dissolved solids in
the gas which can lead to clog fuel filters and strainers making one think its
the MMO product itself.
> >
> > Many pilots and mechanics use it, even at the field where I fly, from a DC3
to all the flight training Cubs. One has ever had any issues with MMO.
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Good news - Bad news. Had to sell the house with the great basement workshop, but
moved the shop and Piet out to the airport. Took awhile to get resettled and
back at it. Special thanks to Curt Merdan who helped me move the wings and fuse
from a friends basement to the hanger!
You gotta love Piet People!!
Chuck
Raleigh NC
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In a message dated 4/12/2012 9:49:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
cjborsuk@yahoo.com writes:
_http://forums.matronics.com//files/wings_on_2_211.jpg_
(http://forums.matronics.com//files/wings_on_2_211.jpg)
You got to love it when you sprout wings and you're in a hangar it finally
feels like a real airplane rather than a pipe dream or some sort of folly.
Its a real airplane and not the canoe everyine else thought it was.
She looks great, congratulations on the move.
John
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| Subject: | Re: Marvel mystery oil OFF LIST |
Great comment,for a good evening laugh I enjoyed it and certainly true.
For as much as the same issues get beaten into the ground with no resolution
in sight, makes me krazy,
With the way things get beaten beyond death you would think all Piet
builders were women!
No can we please talk about ground planes and antennas for hand held
radios, please Ii so enjoyed that whole never ending debate and i do miss it so!
Please one more time and maybe adhesives along the way to round out the
discussion on riblet air foils and sticking to the plans. all such great
topics and hours or enlightenment and enjoyment rereading the same arguments.
John
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| Subject: | Re: Marvel mystery oil OFF LIST |
hit the wrong reply button for an off list reply. Ill be waiting for the
flames in response to my sarcasm in my un intended public reply.
John
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Looks great Chuck. Good meeting you in February. You coming to Brodhead
this year?
-john-
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John Hofmann
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Madison, WI 53704
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
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On Apr 12, 2012, at 8:48 PM, cjborsuk wrote:
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> Good news - Bad news. Had to sell the house with the great basement
workshop, but moved the shop and Piet out to the airport. Took awhile to
get resettled and back at it. Special thanks to Curt Merdan who helped
me move the wings and fuse from a friends basement to the hanger!
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> You gotta love Piet People!!
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> Raleigh NC
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Looks good, Chuck! Who's that guy standing next to you? I think I saw him on
a SW flight somewhere...
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cjborsuk
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 6:48 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wings On!
Good news - Bad news. Had to sell the house with the great basement
workshop, but moved the shop and Piet out to the airport. Took awhile to get
resettled and back at it. Special thanks to Curt Merdan who helped me move
the wings and fuse from a friends basement to the hanger!
You gotta love Piet People!!
Chuck
Raleigh NC
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| Subject: | Re: Marvel mystery oil OFF LIST |
Sarcasm is encouraged!
Gary from Cool
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
AMsafetyC@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 7:15 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Marvel mystery oil OFF LIST
hit the wrong reply button for an off list reply. Ill be waiting for the
flames in response to my sarcasm in my un intended public reply.
John
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.and now I see why Markle hangs out at the Denver airport for so
long.http://www.tmz.com/2012/04/10/woman-naked-denver-airport/#.T4enT6uvJ8E
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"the woman had been smoking a cigarette in a non-smoking area inside
Concourse B"
....which implies there is a smoking area inside Concourse B. I can check
with my buddy who works Ops there, but I don't think that's the case :P
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> =85and now I see why Markle hangs out at the Denver airport for so long
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I think they have smoking rooms there....
Date: Thu=2C 12 Apr 2012 23:25:00 -0500
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Jim Markle
From: rmueller23@gmail.com
"the woman had been smoking a cigarette in a non-smoking area inside Concou
rse B"
....which implies there is a smoking area inside Concourse B. I can check w
ith my buddy who works Ops there=2C but I don't think that's the case :P
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On Thu=2C Apr 12=2C 2012 at 11:13 PM=2C Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net>
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=85and now I see why Markle hangs out at the Denver airport for so long=85h
ttp://www.tmz.com/2012/04/10/woman-naked-denver-airport/#.T4enT6uvJ8E
Gary from CoolNX308MBDo not archive
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