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     1. 04:10 AM - Re: Wings On! (Jack Phillips)
     2. 05:40 AM - on beating dead horses... (Douwe Blumberg)
     3. 06:13 AM - Dangerous Daves Piet? (Chris Rusch)
     4. 06:13 AM - Hand-held antenna (Lawrence Williams)
     5. 06:21 AM - Re: on beating dead horses... (Ron Eisaman)
     6. 07:28 AM - Instrument Panel Revisited (TOM STINEMETZE)
     7. 07:45 AM - Re: Instrument Panel Revisited (helspersew@aol.com)
     8. 07:55 AM - Re: Instrument Panel Revisited (TOM STINEMETZE)
     9. 07:59 AM - Re: Instrument Panel Revisited (helspersew@aol.com)
    10. 08:00 AM - Re: Instrument Panel Revisited (Gary Boothe)
    11. 08:00 AM - Re: Wings On! (bender)
    12. 08:19 AM - Re: Jim Markle (regchief)
    13. 08:41 AM - Re: Re: Jim Markle (Ken Bickers)
    14. 08:45 AM - Douwe....and: Jim Markle (Jim Markle)
    15. 09:03 AM - Re: Re: Jim Markle (Gary Boothe)
    16. 09:13 AM - Re: Jim Markle (Dan Yocum)
    17. 09:15 AM - Re: Jim Markle (Dan Yocum)
    18. 09:30 AM - Re: on beating dead horses... (Bill Church)
    19. 09:33 AM - Re: Jim Markle (Bill Church)
    20. 09:47 AM - Re: Re: Jim Markle (John Hofmann)
    21. 09:47 AM - Re: Re: Jim Markle (Dan Yocum)
    22. 12:56 PM - Re: Re: Jim Markle (Jim Boyer)
    23. 01:23 PM - Cowling Bumps (Gary Boothe)
    24. 01:41 PM - Tom S's instrument panel (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP])
    25. 01:43 PM - Re: Cowling Bumps (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP])
    26. 02:14 PM - Re: Tom S's instrument panel (TOM STINEMETZE)
    27. 02:47 PM - Re: on beating dead horses... (Jerry Dotson)
    28. 02:58 PM - Re: Cowling Bumps (Gary Boothe)
    29. 03:00 PM - Re: Tom S's instrument panel (Gary Boothe)
    30. 03:03 PM - Re: Wings on (woodflier@aol.com)
    31. 03:14 PM - Tom's landing gear (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP])
    32. 03:45 PM - Re: Re: on beating dead horses... (Ryan Mueller)
    33. 08:04 PM - Re: Re: on beating dead horses... (Clif Dawson)
    34. 08:43 PM - Re: Re: on beating dead horses... (Ryan Mueller)
    35. 10:19 PM - Re: Tom S's instrument panel (TOM MICHELLE BRANT)
 
 
 
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      Looking good, Chuck.  Looks like you'll have the first retractable gear
      Pietenpol.  Might be able to get a 75 mph cruise.
      
      Jack Phillips
      NX899JP
      Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cjborsuk
      Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 9:48 PM
      Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wings On!
      
      
      Good news - Bad news. Had to sell the house with the great basement
      workshop, but moved the shop and Piet out to the airport. Took awhile to get
      resettled and back at it. Special thanks to Curt Merdan who helped me move
      the wings and fuse from a friends basement to the hanger!
      
      You gotta love Piet People!!
      
      Chuck
      Raleigh NC
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
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| Subject:  | on beating dead horses... | 
      
      I for one actually am not bothered by some of these topics that bet beaten
      around for a few days, as long as they stay constructive.  After all, isn't
      that the process of discussion and exchanging ideas, opinions and
      information?  There inherently HAS to be a back and forth and in an email
      format with so many people involved, it will likely get kinda long sometimes
      on some complicated or hazy issues.
      
      
      Clearly, different people have had different experiences and hold different
      opinions and have different information and levels of knowledge regarding
      fuel additives.  I am sure the people who have seen a slug of MMO aren't
      making it up, that would be a sobering thing to see prior to takeoff.who are
      we to say they're just spreading "old wives stories" simply because we've
      never seen the same thing.  Heck, I've never seen Pluto, but if someone says
      they have, why would I assume they're telling "stories"??  Now WHY that slug
      of MMO was there is a whole different question, maybe it wasn't mixed right,
      maybe it was other stuff that the MMO shook loose, who knows.
      
      
      One thing I do know is that if someone has information about something that
      they believe MAY clog my fuel system. I would be grateful if they would
      share it with me.
      
      
      I'm also grateful to those who have suggested correct ways of using
      additives because I'd prefer not to have any sticking valves in flight
      either.
      
      
      So again, unless people are just being emo and hurling juvenile put-downs
      back and forth, I think the constructive exchange of information is very
      helpful, even though with some complex issues it might run on a bit.
      
      
      If the occasional dead horse gets beaten for a few days too long, one can
      always not watch.
      
      
      As always $.02
      
      
      Douwe
      
      
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| Subject:  | Dangerous Daves Piet? | 
      
      
      Does anybody know how his plane is flying? I followed his speedy build on here
      up until the first few flights and then he must have dropped off the list.....I
      am just wondering how his plane is performing, it seemed like he was a bit disappointed
      with it, but i would like to hear more.
      
      --------
      NX321LR
      Fully Assembled less covering
      Mistubishi Powered
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=370669#370669
      
      
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| Subject:  | Hand-held antenna | 
      
      I have a Diamond SRHF40A antenna that I use paragliding and I have easily c
      ommunicated with others 15-20 miles away. The few occaissions I have used a
       radio in the Piet were with the rubber ducky antenna and it was fine for m
      y needs. I don't understand why a more sophisticated system is needed for t
      he kind of flying the Piet was intended for.
      -
      Agnes
      -
      -
      
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| Subject:  | Re: on beating dead horses... | 
      
      My thoughts EXACTLY. Thanks.
      do not archive
      
      
      Ron Eisaman
      rdwdsgn@aol.com
      
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
      Sent: Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:40 am
      Subject: Pietenpol-List: on beating dead horses...
      
      
      I for one actually am not bothered by some of these topicsthat bet beaten a
      round for a few days, as long as they stay constructive. After all, isn
      =99t that the process of discussion and exchanging ideas,opinions and in
      formation?  There inherently HAS to be a back and forth and inan email form
      at with so many people involved, it will likely get kinda longsometimes on 
      some complicated or hazy issues.
      
      Clearly, different people have had different experiences andhold different 
      opinions and have different information and levels of knowledgeregarding fu
      el additives.  I am sure the people who have seen a slug of MMOaren
      =99t making it up, that would be a sobering thing to see prior totakeoff
      who are we to say they=99re just spreading =9Cold wivesst
      ories=9D simply because we=99ve never seen the same thing.  Hec
      k, I=99venever seen Pluto, but if someone says they have, why would I
       assume they=99retelling =9Cstories=9D??  Now WHY that sl
      ug of MMO was there is a whole differentquestion, maybe it wasn=99t m
      ixed right, maybe it was other stuff that theMMO shook loose, who knows.
      
      One thing I do know is that if someone has information aboutsomething that 
      they believe MAY clog my fuel system I would be gratefulif they wo
      uld share it with me.
      
      I=99m also grateful to those who have suggested correctways of using 
      additives because I=99d prefer not to have any stickingvalves in flig
      ht either.
      
      So again, unless people are just being emo and hurlingjuvenile put-downs ba
      ck and forth, I think the constructive exchange ofinformation is very helpf
      ul, even though with some complex issues it might runon a bit.
      
      If the occasional dead horse gets beaten for a few days toolong, one can al
      ways not watch
      
      As always $.02
      
      Douwe
      
      
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| Subject:  | Instrument Panel Revisited | 
      
      Pietsters:
      
      I know this thread has already come and gone (probably several times) but, 
      as usual, I am a little out of sync with the flow.  However, I have been 
      working on my instrument panel and thought you might like a look-see at 
      one that has "too many" instruments on it.
      
      Outside row (from left):  fuel, tach, amps, vertical compass, oil press, 
      oil temp, dual CHT
      Inside row: airspeed, altimeter, X-Com radio
      bottom:  slip indicator
      sub panel:  start switch, (fuses missing), ignition, hour meter
      
      It took several tries before I was able to find a place where the 
      instruments would not interfere with the cross bracing cables, aileron 
      cables (not shown) and the shoulder harness frame that you can just see in 
      the background and still leave room for all the wiring, etc. to get them 
      hooked up.  I won an e-bay auction for some burled walnut veneer and this 
      was my first attempt at book matching.  The vertical seam that you can see 
      so clearly in this photo does not show up nearly as well in normal 
      lighting.  There is a second seam running up through the X-Com radio that 
      you can just barely see.
      
      One note on the X-Com radio:  Yes, I know it is pricy BUT...It weighs less 
      than one pound and fits easily in a 2" instrument hole so it is lighter 
      and not in the way like a hand held.  I purchased the install kit which 
      comes with a wiring harness and tuned antenna which I mounted underneath 
      the helmet box below the turtledeck to preserve the "antique" look.  
      
      Before you mention it, YES, I know I left the key on so the battery will 
      probably be run down when I buy it.
      
      Tom Stinemetze
      N328X (only two more years to go.  8>)
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Instrument Panel Revisited | 
      
      
      Very nice Tom, I like that map pocket off to the side. Very useful item to 
      include with almost no added weight. I need to put that in mine. Maybe you 
      could run a little stain into that crack with a butter knife. 
      
      Dan Helsper
      Puryear, TN
      
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: TOM STINEMETZE <TOMS@mcpcity.com>
      Sent: Fri, Apr 13, 2012 9:29 am
      Subject: Pietenpol-List: Instrument Panel Revisited
      
      
      Pietsters:
      I know this thread has already come and gone (probably several times) but, 
      as 
      sual, I am a little out of sync with the flow.  However, I have been workin
      g on 
      y instrument panel and thought you might like a look-see at one that has "t
      oo 
      any" instruments on it.
      Outside row (from left):  fuel, tach, amps, vertical compass, oil press, oi
      l 
      emp, dual CHT
      nside row: airspeed, altimeter, X-Com radio
      ottom:  slip indicator
      ub panel:  start switch, (fuses missing), ignition, hour meter
      It took several tries before I was able to find a place where the instrumen
      ts 
      ould not interfere with the cross bracing cables, aileron cables (not shown
      ) 
      nd the shoulder harness frame that you can just see in the background and s
      till 
      eave room for all the wiring, etc. to get them hooked up.  I won an e-bay
      
      uction for some burled walnut veneer and this was my first attempt at book
      
      atching.  The vertical seam that you can see so clearly in this photo does 
      not 
      how up nearly as well in normal lighting.  There is a second seam running u
      p 
      hrough the X-Com radio that you can just barely see.
      One note on the X-Com radio:  Yes, I know it is pricy BUT...It weighs less 
      than 
      ne pound and fits easily in a 2" instrument hole so it is lighter and not i
      n 
      he way like a hand held.  I purchased the install kit which comes with a wi
      ring 
      arness and tuned antenna which I mounted underneath the helmet box below th
      e 
      urtledeck to preserve the "antique" look.  
      Before you mention it, YES, I know I left the key on so the battery will 
      robably be run down when I buy it.
      Tom Stinemetze
      328X (only two more years to go.  8>)
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Instrument Panel Revisited | 
      
      
      Where do I get one of those butter knife things?  Does Aircraft Spruce carry them?
      
      Tom
      do not archive
      
      >>> <helspersew@aol.com> 4/13/2012 9:43 AM >>>
      
      Very nice Tom, I like that map pocket off to the side. Very useful item to include
      with almost no added weight. I need to put that in mine. Maybe you could run
      a little stain into that crack with a butter knife. 
      
      
      Dan Helsper
      Puryear, TN
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Instrument Panel Revisited | 
      
      
      Yes, it is in their catalog right next to the dead horses.
      
      do not archive
      
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: TOM STINEMETZE <TOMS@mcpcity.com>
      Sent: Fri, Apr 13, 2012 9:55 am
      Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Instrument Panel Revisited
      
      
      Where do I get one of those butter knife things?  Does Aircraft Spruce carr
      y 
      hem?
      Tom
      o not archive
      >>> <helspersew@aol.com> 4/13/2012 9:43 AM >>>
      Very nice Tom, I like that map pocket off to the side. Very useful item to
      
      nclude with almost no added weight. I need to put that in mine. Maybe you c
      ould 
      un a little stain into that crack with a butter knife. 
      
      an Helsper
      uryear, TN
      
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| Subject:  | Instrument Panel Revisited | 
      
      
      Doesn't look too busy at all, Tom! Nice job...
      
      Gary from Cool
      NX308MB
      Do not archive
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of TOM
      STINEMETZE
      Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 7:27 AM
      Subject: Pietenpol-List: Instrument Panel Revisited
      
      Pietsters:
      
      I know this thread has already come and gone (probably several times) but,
      as usual, I am a little out of sync with the flow.  However, I have been
      working on my instrument panel and thought you might like a look-see at one
      that has "too many" instruments on it.
      
      Outside row (from left):  fuel, tach, amps, vertical compass, oil press, oil
      temp, dual CHT Inside row: airspeed, altimeter, X-Com radio
      bottom:  slip indicator
      sub panel:  start switch, (fuses missing), ignition, hour meter
      
      It took several tries before I was able to find a place where the
      instruments would not interfere with the cross bracing cables, aileron
      cables (not shown) and the shoulder harness frame that you can just see in
      the background and still leave room for all the wiring, etc. to get them
      hooked up.  I won an e-bay auction for some burled walnut veneer and this
      was my first attempt at book matching.  The vertical seam that you can see
      so clearly in this photo does not show up nearly as well in normal lighting.
      There is a second seam running up through the X-Com radio that you can just
      barely see.
      
      One note on the X-Com radio:  Yes, I know it is pricy BUT...It weighs less
      than one pound and fits easily in a 2" instrument hole so it is lighter and
      not in the way like a hand held.  I purchased the install kit which comes
      with a wiring harness and tuned antenna which I mounted underneath the
      helmet box below the turtledeck to preserve the "antique" look.  
      
      Before you mention it, YES, I know I left the key on so the battery will
      probably be run down when I buy it.
      
      Tom Stinemetze
      N328X (only two more years to go.  8>)
      
      
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      Awesome... Looks like an airplane.
      i dig the wing supports
      
      
      jeff faith
      lou ky
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=370689#370689
      
      
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      Now we know what Gary spends his time doing. No wonder it's taking so long to get
      the piet built. Haha. Had to tease gary
      
      Kelly
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=370693#370693
      
      
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      Interesting. I didn't know Gary smoked.
      
      
      On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 9:17 AM, regchief <kbosley@comcast.net> wrote:
      >
      > Now we know what Gary spends his time doing. No wonder it's taking so long to
      get the piet built. Haha. Had to tease gary
      >
      > Kelly
      >
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      > Read this topic online here:
      >
      > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=370693#370693
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| Subject:  | Douwe....and: Jim Markle | 
      
      
      I obviously DON'T hang out in the best terminal!  I need to adjust my future travel
      plans...
      
      And Douwe:  I agree totally to your comment.  I hope we never lose our sense of
      humor and that this is a VERY public forum and also remember why most of us are
      here.  Good note.
      
      Every phase of my build has been enhanced by things I've learned on the Matronics
      list...thank you!
      
      Jim, fabric covering in Pryor (well, working today but VERY anxious to get back
      to fabric covering/painting/etc)
      
      
      -----Original Message----- 
      From: Gary Boothe 
      Sent: Apr 12, 2012 11:13 PM 
      Subject: Pietenpol-List: Jim Markle 
      
      
      and now I see why Markle hangs out at the Denver airport for so longhttp://www.tmz.com/2012/04/10/woman-naked-denver-airport/#.T4enT6uvJ8E
      
      Gary from Cool
      NX308MB
      Do not archive
      
      
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      No offense taken! It's a well-known fact that I can create with one hand and
      cruise the internet with the other...case in point:  This week's project was
      bump-out for the tach sensor on my screaming Corvair...
      
      
      Gary from Cool
      
      NX308MB
      
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Bickers
      Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 8:40 AM
      Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jim Markle
      
      
      
      --> < <mailto:bickers.ken@gmail.com> bickers.ken@gmail.com>
      
      
      Interesting. I didn't know Gary smoked.
      
      
      On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 9:17 AM, regchief < <mailto:kbosley@comcast.net>
      kbosley@comcast.net> wrote:
      
      <mailto:kbosley@comcast.net> kbosley@comcast.net>
      
      > 
      
      > Now we know what Gary spends his time doing. No wonder it's taking so 
      
      > long to get the piet built. Haha. Had to tease gary
      
      > 
      
      > Kelly
      
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      All I have to say is:
      
      "Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit smoking."
      
      
      do not archive
      
      
      On 04/12/2012 11:33 PM, Gene Rambo wrote:
      > I think they have smoking rooms there....
      >
      
      
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      Maybe Johnny insulted her.
      
      "Where did you get that dress, it's awful, and those shoes and that 
      coat, jeeeeez! "
      
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| Subject:  | Re: on beating dead horses... | 
      
      
      Based on the previous discussions, it is probably best to add the Marvel Mystery
      Oil BEFORE beating the dead horse - you know...  to take advantage of the agitation...
      
      BC
      
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      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=370707#370707
      
      
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      The fog is getting thicker...
      
      
      BC
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      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=370708#370708
      
      
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      must to ...resist....  AHHH
      
      "and Leon's getting larger."
      
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      John Hofmann
      Vice-President, Information Technology
      The Rees Group, Inc.
      2424 American Lane
      Madison, WI 53704
      Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
      Fax: 608.443.2474
      Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
      
      On Apr 13, 2012, at 11:32 AM, Bill Church wrote:
      
      <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
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      > BC
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      And Leon is getting Lar-ar-ar-arger!
      
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      HI Gary, 
      
      That really looks nice; what is it alloy wise and how about some details of how
      you did it. 
      
      Cheers, 
      
      Jim 
      
      
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      Jim! You force me to divulge info that will distraught some on this 
      list! It=99s what we here in Cool call =9C6061 
      Fiberglass=9D.
      
      
      Gary Boothe
      
      NX308MB
      
      
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com 
      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim 
      Boyer
      Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 12:56 PM
      Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jim Markle
      
      
      HI Gary,
      
      That really looks nice; what is it alloy wise and how about some details 
      of how you did it.
      
      Cheers,
      
      Jim
      
      
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| Subject:  | Tom S's instrument panel | 
      
      
      
      Looks just beautiful Tom!    I got distracted by your great looking white painted
      metal landing gear legs and clean looking wire wheels
      and brake installation.     Would you mind posting a photo or two of your wheels
      and gear?    For as much as I like the Jenny style wood landing
      gear my second favorite option is what you have done and what makes Don Emch's
      airplane look so beautiful.  (along with the fact that Don did
      a really nice job with the rest of the airplane too!)
      
      Some good, good looking Pietenpols are coming together.   Love it. 
      
      Mike C.
      
      
      Put on a happy face Larry---you old reprobate you:))   I know--you wouldn't want
      to ruin your reputation!    You and Markle are lots of fun to poke
      and needle.   Wish I had a little brother sometimes:)
      
      
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      Nice bumps Gary:)    What did you use for mold release may I ask?
      
      Very nice.   
      
      Mike C.
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Tom S's instrument panel | 
      
      Photos you want, photos you shall have.  I have done a little work since 
      these photos that does not show up here so I probably need to get some new 
      ones.  Anyway, these are weldable ACS 1.5 inch axles on 4130 tubing.  19 
      inch aluminum rims laced to Ken Perkins hubs (note the green primer color 
      on the hubs.) with Honda brake calipers from a salvage facility.  The 
      disks were machined for me out of quarter inch stainless by a local 
      machine shop from my CAD drawing.  What you can't see are the pure 
      motorcycle brake hoses that fasten to a fuselage floor pass-through 
      fitting which connects on the inside with some more motorcycle hoses to a 
      pair of Cessna 150 brake master cylinders from e-bay.  I am leaning 
      towards leaving the wheel lacing exposed but have the plans available 
      should I choose to cover them.  This brings up a question for the group.  
      Is there a significant change in the aerodynamics of flight if the wheels 
      are covered?  It appears that this would create a couple of vertical 
      stabilizers forward of the center of balance.  I know that the open wheels 
      already do this to a certain extent.
      
      I'm trying to figure out how to get my Piet into the basement just in case 
      the predictions of nasty weather for tonight and tomorrow come true.  
      Think my wife would mind my cutting a big hole in the kitchen floor?
      
      Tom Stinemetze
      McPherson, KS.
      
      Looks just beautiful Tom!    I got distracted by your great looking white 
      painted metal landing gear legs and clean looking wire wheels
      and brake installation.     Would you mind posting a photo or two of your 
      wheels and gear?    For as much as I like the Jenny style wood landing
      gear my second favorite option is what you have done and what makes Don 
      Emch's airplane look so beautiful.  (along with the fact that Don did
      a really nice job with the rest of the airplane too!)
      
      Mike C.
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: on beating dead horses... | 
      
      
      Douwe,
       Come on down to Florida. We have Pluto AND Goofy along with Minnie and Mickey.
      I live 7 hours from there but I saw them all when my kids were small. Pluto does
      exist.
       As to sticking valves and rings....heat is your worst enemy. Open up the cowl
      or climb at a faster airspeed. I have never used an additive but I would if I
      had those kind of problems. I did have those very problems with a Luscombe A-65.
      An old time mechanic told me to climb at 75 instead of 65 and my carbon/sticky
      problems went away. 
      
      
      That is my $.02
      do not archive
      
      --------
      Jerry Dotson
      59 Daniel Johnson Rd
      Baker, FL 32531
      
      Started building  NX510JD  July, 2009
      now covering and painting
      21" wheels
      Lycoming O-235 C2C
      Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=370736#370736
      
      
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      I used paraffin...just a dry stick...rub it all over really good.
      
      Gary Boothe
      NX308MB
      
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael
      D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]
      Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 1:42 PM
      Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Cowling Bumps
      
      --> AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
      
      
      Nice bumps Gary:)    What did you use for mold release may I ask?
      
      Very nice.   
      
      Mike C.
      
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| Subject:  | Tom S's instrument panel | 
      
      
      Beautiful gear, Tom! I would definitely fire up the chain saw and get that
      thing below, where it's safe!
      
      Gary from Cool
      NX308MB
      Do not archive
      
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of TOM
      STINEMETZE
      Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 2:13 PM
      Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tom S's instrument panel
      
      Photos you want, photos you shall have.  I have done a little work since
      these photos that does not show up here so I probably need to get some new
      ones.  Anyway, these are weldable ACS 1.5 inch axles on 4130 tubing.  19
      inch aluminum rims laced to Ken Perkins hubs (note the green primer color on
      the hubs.) with Honda brake calipers from a salvage facility.  The disks
      were machined for me out of quarter inch stainless by a local machine shop
      from my CAD drawing.  What you can't see are the pure motorcycle brake hoses
      that fasten to a fuselage floor pass-through fitting which connects on the
      inside with some more motorcycle hoses to a pair of Cessna 150 brake master
      cylinders from e-bay.  I am leaning towards leaving the wheel lacing exposed
      but have the plans available should I choose to cover them.  This brings up
      a question for the group.  Is there a significant change in the aerodynamics
      of flight if the wheels are covered?  It appears that this would create a
      couple of vertical stabilizers forward of the center of balance.  I know
      that the open wheels already do this to a certain extent.
      
      I'm trying to figure out how to get my Piet into the basement just in case
      the predictions of nasty weather for tonight and tomorrow come true.  Think
      my wife would mind my cutting a big hole in the kitchen floor?
      
      Tom Stinemetze
      McPherson, KS.
      
      Looks just beautiful Tom!    I got distracted by your great looking white
      painted metal landing gear legs and clean looking wire wheels
      and brake installation.     Would you mind posting a photo or two of your
      wheels and gear?    For as much as I like the Jenny style wood landing
      gear my second favorite option is what you have done and what makes Don
      Emch's airplane look so beautiful.  (along with the fact that Don did a
      really nice job with the rest of the airplane too!)
      
      Mike C.
      
      
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      Chuck, what airport around Raleigh? I may fly my Piet down to Raleigh East  
      the second Saturday in May.
      
      Matt Paxton
      NX629ML
      Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless
      
      
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| Subject:  | Tom's landing gear | 
      
      
      
      Beauuuutiful wheels, brakes, and gear setup Tom.   You should have fantastic braking
      authority with the large diameter of
      your discs.   Really a good looking setup.  
      
      Hope the rough weather doesn't do any damage in your area tonight and Saturday.
      
      
      I would imagine the covered wheels provide some directional stability.   Frank
      Pavliga is the only one I know who has flown his Piet with
      and without his wire wheels covered.  Next time I e-mail him I'll ask him what
      his thoughts on that subject are. 
      
      Mike C.
      
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| Subject:  | Re: on beating dead horses... | 
      
      In that case.....which....eh....."port" should the Marvel be poured in to
      in order to be most effective? Sludging in the wrong port could be
      catastrophic...
      
      Ryan
      
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      On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Bill Church <billspiet@sympatico.ca>wrote:
      
      > billspiet@sympatico.ca>
      >
      > Based on the previous discussions, it is probably best to add the Marvel
      > Mystery Oil BEFORE beating the dead horse - you know...  to take advantage
      > of the agitation...
      >
      > BC
      >
      > do not archive
      >
      >
      > Read this topic online here:
      >
      > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=370707#370707
      >
      >
      
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| Subject:  | Re: on beating dead horses... | 
      
      
      So let me understand here. Did the horse die from
      ingesting too much of this MMO stuff?? And just
      who was feeding it to him anyway? Was this
      horse constipated? Was someone beating it to
      work the crap out of it? That seems like an awful
      lot of work just to get a little extra crap. What for?
      Does the garden need it? So many questions, so
      little time. Where is that White Rabbit when you
      need him anyway?
      
      Nasty Clif
      Never criticise a man until you've walked a mile in
      his shoes. Then, go ahead and criticise. After all,
      you're a mile a way and you've got his shoes.
      
      do not archive
      
       it is probably best to add the Marvel Mystery Oil BEFORE beating the dead 
      horse - > BC
      >
      > do not archive
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: on beating dead horses... | 
      
      Well, I suppose you could administer the Marvel orally.....it should
      lubricate the lower GI to produce....the extra crap, if so desired.
      
      Otherwise, when it comes to the beating, I would imagine pine tar on the
      lower half of the beating tool to improve grip, and Marvel on the upper
      half to reduce the wear on the instrument during the beating.
      
      If Marvel was administered prior to beating I think it might foul the
      manure though, so I probably wouldn't use it on the garden....maybe Kip can
      advise.....
      
      Ryan
      
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      On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 10:02 PM, Clif Dawson <cdawson5854@shaw.ca> wrote:
      
      >
      > So let me understand here. Did the horse die from
      > ingesting too much of this MMO stuff?? And just
      > who was feeding it to him anyway? Was this
      > horse constipated? Was someone beating it to
      > work the crap out of it? That seems like an awful
      > lot of work just to get a little extra crap. What for?
      > Does the garden need it? So many questions, so
      > little time. Where is that White Rabbit when you
      > need him anyway?
      >
      > Nasty Clif
      > Never criticise a man until you've walked a mile in
      > his shoes. Then, go ahead and criticise. After all,
      > you're a mile a way and you've got his shoes.
      >
      > do not archive
      >
      > it is probably best to add the Marvel Mystery Oil BEFORE beating the dead
      > horse - > BC
      >
      >>
      >> do not archive
      >>
      >
      >
      
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| Subject:  | Tom S's instrument panel | 
      
      
      Tom=2C
      
      I did just that - cut a hole in the kitchen floor a few years back..  OK=2C
       we were already remodeling but I digress.
      
      Looks great - I'm jealous.
      
      Tom B.
      
      > Date: Fri=2C 13 Apr 2012 16:13:13 -0500
      > From: TOMS@mcpcity.com
      > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
      > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tom S's instrument panel
      > 
      > Photos you want=2C photos you shall have.  I have done a little work sinc
      e these photos that does not show up here so I probably need to get some ne
      w ones.  Anyway=2C these are weldable ACS 1.5 inch axles on 4130 tubing.  1
      9 inch aluminum rims laced to Ken Perkins hubs (note the green primer color
       on the hubs.) with Honda brake calipers from a salvage facility.  The disk
      s were machined for me out of quarter inch stainless by a local machine sho
      p from my CAD drawing.  What you can't see are the pure motorcycle brake ho
      ses that fasten to a fuselage floor pass-through fitting which connects on 
      the inside with some more motorcycle hoses to a pair of Cessna 150 brake ma
      ster cylinders from e-bay.  I am leaning towards leaving the wheel lacing e
      xposed but have the plans available should I choose to cover them.  This br
      ings up a question for the group.  Is there a significant change in the aer
      odynamics of flight if the wheels are covered?  It appears that this would 
      create a couple of vertical stabilizers forward of the center of balance.  
      I know that the open wheels already do this to a certain extent.
      > 
      > I'm trying to figure out how to get my Piet into the basement just in cas
      e the predictions of nasty weather for tonight and tomorrow come true.  Thi
      nk my wife would mind my cutting a big hole in the kitchen floor?
      > 
      > Tom Stinemetze
      > McPherson=2C KS.
      >  
      > Looks just beautiful Tom!    I got distracted by your great looking white
       painted metal landing gear legs and clean looking wire wheels
      > and brake installation.     Would you mind posting a photo or two of your
       wheels and gear?    For as much as I like the Jenny style wood landing
      > gear my second favorite option is what you have done and what makes Don E
      mch's airplane look so beautiful.  (along with the fact that Don did
      > a really nice job with the rest of the airplane too!)
      > 
      > Mike C.
      > 
       		 	   		  
      
 
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