Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Fri 04/13/12


Total Messages Posted: 35



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     1. 04:10 AM - Re: Wings On! (Jack Phillips)
     2. 05:40 AM - on beating dead horses... (Douwe Blumberg)
     3. 06:13 AM - Dangerous Daves Piet? (Chris Rusch)
     4. 06:13 AM - Hand-held antenna (Lawrence Williams)
     5. 06:21 AM - Re: on beating dead horses... (Ron Eisaman)
     6. 07:28 AM - Instrument Panel Revisited (TOM STINEMETZE)
     7. 07:45 AM - Re: Instrument Panel Revisited (helspersew@aol.com)
     8. 07:55 AM - Re: Instrument Panel Revisited (TOM STINEMETZE)
     9. 07:59 AM - Re: Instrument Panel Revisited (helspersew@aol.com)
    10. 08:00 AM - Re: Instrument Panel Revisited (Gary Boothe)
    11. 08:00 AM - Re: Wings On! (bender)
    12. 08:19 AM - Re: Jim Markle (regchief)
    13. 08:41 AM - Re: Re: Jim Markle (Ken Bickers)
    14. 08:45 AM - Douwe....and: Jim Markle (Jim Markle)
    15. 09:03 AM - Re: Re: Jim Markle (Gary Boothe)
    16. 09:13 AM - Re: Jim Markle (Dan Yocum)
    17. 09:15 AM - Re: Jim Markle (Dan Yocum)
    18. 09:30 AM - Re: on beating dead horses... (Bill Church)
    19. 09:33 AM - Re: Jim Markle (Bill Church)
    20. 09:47 AM - Re: Re: Jim Markle (John Hofmann)
    21. 09:47 AM - Re: Re: Jim Markle (Dan Yocum)
    22. 12:56 PM - Re: Re: Jim Markle (Jim Boyer)
    23. 01:23 PM - Cowling Bumps (Gary Boothe)
    24. 01:41 PM - Tom S's instrument panel (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP])
    25. 01:43 PM - Re: Cowling Bumps (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP])
    26. 02:14 PM - Re: Tom S's instrument panel (TOM STINEMETZE)
    27. 02:47 PM - Re: on beating dead horses... (Jerry Dotson)
    28. 02:58 PM - Re: Cowling Bumps (Gary Boothe)
    29. 03:00 PM - Re: Tom S's instrument panel (Gary Boothe)
    30. 03:03 PM - Re: Wings on (woodflier@aol.com)
    31. 03:14 PM - Tom's landing gear (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP])
    32. 03:45 PM - Re: Re: on beating dead horses... (Ryan Mueller)
    33. 08:04 PM - Re: Re: on beating dead horses... (Clif Dawson)
    34. 08:43 PM - Re: Re: on beating dead horses... (Ryan Mueller)
    35. 10:19 PM - Re: Tom S's instrument panel (TOM MICHELLE BRANT)
 
 
 


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    Time: 04:10:43 AM PST US
    From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Wings On!
    Looking good, Chuck. Looks like you'll have the first retractable gear Pietenpol. Might be able to get a 75 mph cruise. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cjborsuk Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 9:48 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wings On! Good news - Bad news. Had to sell the house with the great basement workshop, but moved the shop and Piet out to the airport. Took awhile to get resettled and back at it. Special thanks to Curt Merdan who helped me move the wings and fuse from a friends basement to the hanger! You gotta love Piet People!! Chuck Raleigh NC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=370632#370632 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/curt_and_chuck_photo_665.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/my_purtee_look_110.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/wings_on_2_211.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/wings_on_443.jpg


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    Time: 05:40:10 AM PST US
    From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
    Subject: on beating dead horses...
    I for one actually am not bothered by some of these topics that bet beaten around for a few days, as long as they stay constructive. After all, isn't that the process of discussion and exchanging ideas, opinions and information? There inherently HAS to be a back and forth and in an email format with so many people involved, it will likely get kinda long sometimes on some complicated or hazy issues. Clearly, different people have had different experiences and hold different opinions and have different information and levels of knowledge regarding fuel additives. I am sure the people who have seen a slug of MMO aren't making it up, that would be a sobering thing to see prior to takeoff.who are we to say they're just spreading "old wives stories" simply because we've never seen the same thing. Heck, I've never seen Pluto, but if someone says they have, why would I assume they're telling "stories"?? Now WHY that slug of MMO was there is a whole different question, maybe it wasn't mixed right, maybe it was other stuff that the MMO shook loose, who knows. One thing I do know is that if someone has information about something that they believe MAY clog my fuel system. I would be grateful if they would share it with me. I'm also grateful to those who have suggested correct ways of using additives because I'd prefer not to have any sticking valves in flight either. So again, unless people are just being emo and hurling juvenile put-downs back and forth, I think the constructive exchange of information is very helpful, even though with some complex issues it might run on a bit. If the occasional dead horse gets beaten for a few days too long, one can always not watch. As always $.02 Douwe


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    Time: 06:13:16 AM PST US
    Subject: Dangerous Daves Piet?
    From: "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo@rmdbenders.com>
    Does anybody know how his plane is flying? I followed his speedy build on here up until the first few flights and then he must have dropped off the list.....I am just wondering how his plane is performing, it seemed like he was a bit disappointed with it, but i would like to hear more. -------- NX321LR Fully Assembled less covering Mistubishi Powered Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=370669#370669


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    Time: 06:13:43 AM PST US
    From: Lawrence Williams <lnawms@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Hand-held antenna
    I have a Diamond SRHF40A antenna that I use paragliding and I have easily c ommunicated with others 15-20 miles away. The few occaissions I have used a radio in the Piet were with the rubber ducky antenna and it was fine for m y needs. I don't understand why a more sophisticated system is needed for t he kind of flying the Piet was intended for. - Agnes - -


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    Time: 06:21:58 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: on beating dead horses...
    From: Ron Eisaman <rdwdsgn@aol.com>
    My thoughts EXACTLY. Thanks. do not archive Ron Eisaman rdwdsgn@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg@earthlink.net> Sent: Fri, Apr 13, 2012 8:40 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: on beating dead horses... I for one actually am not bothered by some of these topicsthat bet beaten a round for a few days, as long as they stay constructive. After all, isn =99t that the process of discussion and exchanging ideas,opinions and in formation? There inherently HAS to be a back and forth and inan email form at with so many people involved, it will likely get kinda longsometimes on some complicated or hazy issues. Clearly, different people have had different experiences andhold different opinions and have different information and levels of knowledgeregarding fu el additives. I am sure the people who have seen a slug of MMOaren =99t making it up, that would be a sobering thing to see prior totakeoff who are we to say they=99re just spreading =9Cold wivesst ories=9D simply because we=99ve never seen the same thing. Hec k, I=99venever seen Pluto, but if someone says they have, why would I assume they=99retelling =9Cstories=9D?? Now WHY that sl ug of MMO was there is a whole differentquestion, maybe it wasn=99t m ixed right, maybe it was other stuff that theMMO shook loose, who knows. One thing I do know is that if someone has information aboutsomething that they believe MAY clog my fuel system I would be gratefulif they wo uld share it with me. I=99m also grateful to those who have suggested correctways of using additives because I=99d prefer not to have any stickingvalves in flig ht either. So again, unless people are just being emo and hurlingjuvenile put-downs ba ck and forth, I think the constructive exchange ofinformation is very helpf ul, even though with some complex issues it might runon a bit. If the occasional dead horse gets beaten for a few days toolong, one can al ways not watch As always $.02 Douwe


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    Time: 07:28:06 AM PST US
    From: "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS@mcpcity.com>
    Subject: Instrument Panel Revisited
    Pietsters: I know this thread has already come and gone (probably several times) but, as usual, I am a little out of sync with the flow. However, I have been working on my instrument panel and thought you might like a look-see at one that has "too many" instruments on it. Outside row (from left): fuel, tach, amps, vertical compass, oil press, oil temp, dual CHT Inside row: airspeed, altimeter, X-Com radio bottom: slip indicator sub panel: start switch, (fuses missing), ignition, hour meter It took several tries before I was able to find a place where the instruments would not interfere with the cross bracing cables, aileron cables (not shown) and the shoulder harness frame that you can just see in the background and still leave room for all the wiring, etc. to get them hooked up. I won an e-bay auction for some burled walnut veneer and this was my first attempt at book matching. The vertical seam that you can see so clearly in this photo does not show up nearly as well in normal lighting. There is a second seam running up through the X-Com radio that you can just barely see. One note on the X-Com radio: Yes, I know it is pricy BUT...It weighs less than one pound and fits easily in a 2" instrument hole so it is lighter and not in the way like a hand held. I purchased the install kit which comes with a wiring harness and tuned antenna which I mounted underneath the helmet box below the turtledeck to preserve the "antique" look. Before you mention it, YES, I know I left the key on so the battery will probably be run down when I buy it. Tom Stinemetze N328X (only two more years to go. 8>)


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    Time: 07:45:05 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Instrument Panel Revisited
    From: helspersew@aol.com
    Very nice Tom, I like that map pocket off to the side. Very useful item to include with almost no added weight. I need to put that in mine. Maybe you could run a little stain into that crack with a butter knife. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: TOM STINEMETZE <TOMS@mcpcity.com> Sent: Fri, Apr 13, 2012 9:29 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: Instrument Panel Revisited Pietsters: I know this thread has already come and gone (probably several times) but, as sual, I am a little out of sync with the flow. However, I have been workin g on y instrument panel and thought you might like a look-see at one that has "t oo any" instruments on it. Outside row (from left): fuel, tach, amps, vertical compass, oil press, oi l emp, dual CHT nside row: airspeed, altimeter, X-Com radio ottom: slip indicator ub panel: start switch, (fuses missing), ignition, hour meter It took several tries before I was able to find a place where the instrumen ts ould not interfere with the cross bracing cables, aileron cables (not shown ) nd the shoulder harness frame that you can just see in the background and s till eave room for all the wiring, etc. to get them hooked up. I won an e-bay uction for some burled walnut veneer and this was my first attempt at book atching. The vertical seam that you can see so clearly in this photo does not how up nearly as well in normal lighting. There is a second seam running u p hrough the X-Com radio that you can just barely see. One note on the X-Com radio: Yes, I know it is pricy BUT...It weighs less than ne pound and fits easily in a 2" instrument hole so it is lighter and not i n he way like a hand held. I purchased the install kit which comes with a wi ring arness and tuned antenna which I mounted underneath the helmet box below th e urtledeck to preserve the "antique" look. Before you mention it, YES, I know I left the key on so the battery will robably be run down when I buy it. Tom Stinemetze 328X (only two more years to go. 8>)


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    Time: 07:55:06 AM PST US
    From: "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS@mcpcity.com>
    Subject: Re: Instrument Panel Revisited
    Where do I get one of those butter knife things? Does Aircraft Spruce carry them? Tom do not archive >>> <helspersew@aol.com> 4/13/2012 9:43 AM >>> Very nice Tom, I like that map pocket off to the side. Very useful item to include with almost no added weight. I need to put that in mine. Maybe you could run a little stain into that crack with a butter knife. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN


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    Time: 07:59:17 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Instrument Panel Revisited
    From: helspersew@aol.com
    Yes, it is in their catalog right next to the dead horses. do not archive -----Original Message----- From: TOM STINEMETZE <TOMS@mcpcity.com> Sent: Fri, Apr 13, 2012 9:55 am Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Instrument Panel Revisited Where do I get one of those butter knife things? Does Aircraft Spruce carr y hem? Tom o not archive >>> <helspersew@aol.com> 4/13/2012 9:43 AM >>> Very nice Tom, I like that map pocket off to the side. Very useful item to nclude with almost no added weight. I need to put that in mine. Maybe you c ould un a little stain into that crack with a butter knife. an Helsper uryear, TN -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -========================


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    Time: 08:00:32 AM PST US
    From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
    Subject: Instrument Panel Revisited
    Doesn't look too busy at all, Tom! Nice job... Gary from Cool NX308MB Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of TOM STINEMETZE Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 7:27 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Instrument Panel Revisited Pietsters: I know this thread has already come and gone (probably several times) but, as usual, I am a little out of sync with the flow. However, I have been working on my instrument panel and thought you might like a look-see at one that has "too many" instruments on it. Outside row (from left): fuel, tach, amps, vertical compass, oil press, oil temp, dual CHT Inside row: airspeed, altimeter, X-Com radio bottom: slip indicator sub panel: start switch, (fuses missing), ignition, hour meter It took several tries before I was able to find a place where the instruments would not interfere with the cross bracing cables, aileron cables (not shown) and the shoulder harness frame that you can just see in the background and still leave room for all the wiring, etc. to get them hooked up. I won an e-bay auction for some burled walnut veneer and this was my first attempt at book matching. The vertical seam that you can see so clearly in this photo does not show up nearly as well in normal lighting. There is a second seam running up through the X-Com radio that you can just barely see. One note on the X-Com radio: Yes, I know it is pricy BUT...It weighs less than one pound and fits easily in a 2" instrument hole so it is lighter and not in the way like a hand held. I purchased the install kit which comes with a wiring harness and tuned antenna which I mounted underneath the helmet box below the turtledeck to preserve the "antique" look. Before you mention it, YES, I know I left the key on so the battery will probably be run down when I buy it. Tom Stinemetze N328X (only two more years to go. 8>)


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    Time: 08:00:44 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Wings On!
    From: "bender" <jfaith@solairusaviation.com>
    Awesome... Looks like an airplane. i dig the wing supports jeff faith lou ky Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=370689#370689


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    Time: 08:19:02 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Jim Markle
    From: "regchief" <kbosley@comcast.net>
    Now we know what Gary spends his time doing. No wonder it's taking so long to get the piet built. Haha. Had to tease gary Kelly Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=370693#370693


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    Time: 08:41:08 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Jim Markle
    From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken@gmail.com>
    Interesting. I didn't know Gary smoked. On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 9:17 AM, regchief <kbosley@comcast.net> wrote: > > Now we know what Gary spends his time doing. No wonder it's taking so long to get the piet built. Haha. Had to tease gary > > Kelly > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=370693#370693 > >


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    Time: 08:45:51 AM PST US
    From: Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Douwe....and: Jim Markle
    I obviously DON'T hang out in the best terminal! I need to adjust my future travel plans... And Douwe: I agree totally to your comment. I hope we never lose our sense of humor and that this is a VERY public forum and also remember why most of us are here. Good note. Every phase of my build has been enhanced by things I've learned on the Matronics list...thank you! Jim, fabric covering in Pryor (well, working today but VERY anxious to get back to fabric covering/painting/etc) -----Original Message----- From: Gary Boothe Sent: Apr 12, 2012 11:13 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Jim Markle and now I see why Markle hangs out at the Denver airport for so longhttp://www.tmz.com/2012/04/10/woman-naked-denver-airport/#.T4enT6uvJ8E Gary from Cool NX308MB Do not archive


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    Time: 09:03:46 AM PST US
    From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Jim Markle
    No offense taken! It's a well-known fact that I can create with one hand and cruise the internet with the other...case in point: This week's project was bump-out for the tach sensor on my screaming Corvair... Gary from Cool NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Bickers Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 8:40 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jim Markle --> < <mailto:bickers.ken@gmail.com> bickers.ken@gmail.com> Interesting. I didn't know Gary smoked. On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 9:17 AM, regchief < <mailto:kbosley@comcast.net> kbosley@comcast.net> wrote: <mailto:kbosley@comcast.net> kbosley@comcast.net> > > Now we know what Gary spends his time doing. No wonder it's taking so > long to get the piet built. Haha. Had to tease gary > > Kelly > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > <http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=370693#370693> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=370693#370693 > > > > > > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution


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    Time: 09:13:15 AM PST US
    From: Dan Yocum <yocum137@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Jim Markle
    All I have to say is: "Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit smoking." do not archive On 04/12/2012 11:33 PM, Gene Rambo wrote: > I think they have smoking rooms there.... >


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    Time: 09:15:04 AM PST US
    From: Dan Yocum <yocum137@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Jim Markle
    Maybe Johnny insulted her. "Where did you get that dress, it's awful, and those shoes and that coat, jeeeeez! " do not archive


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    Time: 09:30:39 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: on beating dead horses...
    From: "Bill Church" <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
    Based on the previous discussions, it is probably best to add the Marvel Mystery Oil BEFORE beating the dead horse - you know... to take advantage of the agitation... BC do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=370707#370707


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    Time: 09:33:06 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Jim Markle
    From: "Bill Church" <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
    The fog is getting thicker... BC do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=370708#370708


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    Time: 09:47:51 AM PST US
    From: John Hofmann <jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com>
    Subject: Re: Jim Markle
    must to ...resist.... AHHH "and Leon's getting larger." do not archive John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2424 American Lane Madison, WI 53704 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com On Apr 13, 2012, at 11:32 AM, Bill Church wrote: <billspiet@sympatico.ca> > > The fog is getting thicker... > > > BC > do not archive > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=370708#370708 > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 09:47:51 AM PST US
    From: Dan Yocum <yocum137@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Jim Markle
    And Leon is getting Lar-ar-ar-arger! do not archive


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    Time: 12:56:46 PM PST US
    From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Jim Markle
    HI Gary, That really looks nice; what is it alloy wise and how about some details of how you did it. Cheers, Jim


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    Time: 01:23:09 PM PST US
    From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
    Subject: Cowling Bumps
    Jim! You force me to divulge info that will distraught some on this list! It=99s what we here in Cool call =9C6061 Fiberglass=9D. Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Boyer Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 12:56 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jim Markle HI Gary, That really looks nice; what is it alloy wise and how about some details of how you did it. Cheers, Jim


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    Time: 01:41:47 PM PST US
    From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
    Subject: Tom S's instrument panel
    Looks just beautiful Tom! I got distracted by your great looking white painted metal landing gear legs and clean looking wire wheels and brake installation. Would you mind posting a photo or two of your wheels and gear? For as much as I like the Jenny style wood landing gear my second favorite option is what you have done and what makes Don Emch's airplane look so beautiful. (along with the fact that Don did a really nice job with the rest of the airplane too!) Some good, good looking Pietenpols are coming together. Love it. Mike C. Put on a happy face Larry---you old reprobate you:)) I know--you wouldn't want to ruin your reputation! You and Markle are lots of fun to poke and needle. Wish I had a little brother sometimes:)


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    Time: 01:43:52 PM PST US
    From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
    Subject: Cowling Bumps
    Nice bumps Gary:) What did you use for mold release may I ask? Very nice. Mike C. do not archive


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    Time: 02:14:14 PM PST US
    From: "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS@mcpcity.com>
    Subject: Re: Tom S's instrument panel
    Photos you want, photos you shall have. I have done a little work since these photos that does not show up here so I probably need to get some new ones. Anyway, these are weldable ACS 1.5 inch axles on 4130 tubing. 19 inch aluminum rims laced to Ken Perkins hubs (note the green primer color on the hubs.) with Honda brake calipers from a salvage facility. The disks were machined for me out of quarter inch stainless by a local machine shop from my CAD drawing. What you can't see are the pure motorcycle brake hoses that fasten to a fuselage floor pass-through fitting which connects on the inside with some more motorcycle hoses to a pair of Cessna 150 brake master cylinders from e-bay. I am leaning towards leaving the wheel lacing exposed but have the plans available should I choose to cover them. This brings up a question for the group. Is there a significant change in the aerodynamics of flight if the wheels are covered? It appears that this would create a couple of vertical stabilizers forward of the center of balance. I know that the open wheels already do this to a certain extent. I'm trying to figure out how to get my Piet into the basement just in case the predictions of nasty weather for tonight and tomorrow come true. Think my wife would mind my cutting a big hole in the kitchen floor? Tom Stinemetze McPherson, KS. Looks just beautiful Tom! I got distracted by your great looking white painted metal landing gear legs and clean looking wire wheels and brake installation. Would you mind posting a photo or two of your wheels and gear? For as much as I like the Jenny style wood landing gear my second favorite option is what you have done and what makes Don Emch's airplane look so beautiful. (along with the fact that Don did a really nice job with the rest of the airplane too!) Mike C.


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    Time: 02:47:42 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: on beating dead horses...
    From: "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson@centurylink.net>
    Douwe, Come on down to Florida. We have Pluto AND Goofy along with Minnie and Mickey. I live 7 hours from there but I saw them all when my kids were small. Pluto does exist. As to sticking valves and rings....heat is your worst enemy. Open up the cowl or climb at a faster airspeed. I have never used an additive but I would if I had those kind of problems. I did have those very problems with a Luscombe A-65. An old time mechanic told me to climb at 75 instead of 65 and my carbon/sticky problems went away. That is my $.02 do not archive -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 now covering and painting 21&quot; wheels Lycoming O-235 C2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=370736#370736


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    Time: 02:58:23 PM PST US
    From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
    Subject: Cowling Bumps
    I used paraffin...just a dry stick...rub it all over really good. Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 1:42 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Cowling Bumps --> AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> Nice bumps Gary:) What did you use for mold release may I ask? Very nice. Mike C. do not archive


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    Time: 03:00:20 PM PST US
    From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
    Subject: Tom S's instrument panel
    Beautiful gear, Tom! I would definitely fire up the chain saw and get that thing below, where it's safe! Gary from Cool NX308MB Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of TOM STINEMETZE Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 2:13 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tom S's instrument panel Photos you want, photos you shall have. I have done a little work since these photos that does not show up here so I probably need to get some new ones. Anyway, these are weldable ACS 1.5 inch axles on 4130 tubing. 19 inch aluminum rims laced to Ken Perkins hubs (note the green primer color on the hubs.) with Honda brake calipers from a salvage facility. The disks were machined for me out of quarter inch stainless by a local machine shop from my CAD drawing. What you can't see are the pure motorcycle brake hoses that fasten to a fuselage floor pass-through fitting which connects on the inside with some more motorcycle hoses to a pair of Cessna 150 brake master cylinders from e-bay. I am leaning towards leaving the wheel lacing exposed but have the plans available should I choose to cover them. This brings up a question for the group. Is there a significant change in the aerodynamics of flight if the wheels are covered? It appears that this would create a couple of vertical stabilizers forward of the center of balance. I know that the open wheels already do this to a certain extent. I'm trying to figure out how to get my Piet into the basement just in case the predictions of nasty weather for tonight and tomorrow come true. Think my wife would mind my cutting a big hole in the kitchen floor? Tom Stinemetze McPherson, KS. Looks just beautiful Tom! I got distracted by your great looking white painted metal landing gear legs and clean looking wire wheels and brake installation. Would you mind posting a photo or two of your wheels and gear? For as much as I like the Jenny style wood landing gear my second favorite option is what you have done and what makes Don Emch's airplane look so beautiful. (along with the fact that Don did a really nice job with the rest of the airplane too!) Mike C.


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    Time: 03:03:48 PM PST US
    From: "woodflier@aol.com" <woodflier@aol.com>
    Subject: Re: Wings on
    Chuck, what airport around Raleigh? I may fly my Piet down to Raleigh East the second Saturday in May. Matt Paxton NX629ML Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless


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    Time: 03:14:02 PM PST US
    From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
    Subject: Tom's landing gear
    Beauuuutiful wheels, brakes, and gear setup Tom. You should have fantastic braking authority with the large diameter of your discs. Really a good looking setup. Hope the rough weather doesn't do any damage in your area tonight and Saturday. I would imagine the covered wheels provide some directional stability. Frank Pavliga is the only one I know who has flown his Piet with and without his wire wheels covered. Next time I e-mail him I'll ask him what his thoughts on that subject are. Mike C. do not archive


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    Time: 03:45:57 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: on beating dead horses...
    From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com>
    In that case.....which....eh....."port" should the Marvel be poured in to in order to be most effective? Sludging in the wrong port could be catastrophic... Ryan do not archive On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Bill Church <billspiet@sympatico.ca>wrote: > billspiet@sympatico.ca> > > Based on the previous discussions, it is probably best to add the Marvel > Mystery Oil BEFORE beating the dead horse - you know... to take advantage > of the agitation... > > BC > > do not archive > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=370707#370707 > >


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    Time: 08:04:14 PM PST US
    From: "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
    Subject: Re: on beating dead horses...
    So let me understand here. Did the horse die from ingesting too much of this MMO stuff?? And just who was feeding it to him anyway? Was this horse constipated? Was someone beating it to work the crap out of it? That seems like an awful lot of work just to get a little extra crap. What for? Does the garden need it? So many questions, so little time. Where is that White Rabbit when you need him anyway? Nasty Clif Never criticise a man until you've walked a mile in his shoes. Then, go ahead and criticise. After all, you're a mile a way and you've got his shoes. do not archive it is probably best to add the Marvel Mystery Oil BEFORE beating the dead horse - > BC > > do not archive


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    Time: 08:43:24 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: on beating dead horses...
    From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com>
    Well, I suppose you could administer the Marvel orally.....it should lubricate the lower GI to produce....the extra crap, if so desired. Otherwise, when it comes to the beating, I would imagine pine tar on the lower half of the beating tool to improve grip, and Marvel on the upper half to reduce the wear on the instrument during the beating. If Marvel was administered prior to beating I think it might foul the manure though, so I probably wouldn't use it on the garden....maybe Kip can advise..... Ryan do not archive On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 10:02 PM, Clif Dawson <cdawson5854@shaw.ca> wrote: > > So let me understand here. Did the horse die from > ingesting too much of this MMO stuff?? And just > who was feeding it to him anyway? Was this > horse constipated? Was someone beating it to > work the crap out of it? That seems like an awful > lot of work just to get a little extra crap. What for? > Does the garden need it? So many questions, so > little time. Where is that White Rabbit when you > need him anyway? > > Nasty Clif > Never criticise a man until you've walked a mile in > his shoes. Then, go ahead and criticise. After all, > you're a mile a way and you've got his shoes. > > do not archive > > it is probably best to add the Marvel Mystery Oil BEFORE beating the dead > horse - > BC > >> >> do not archive >> > >


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    Time: 10:19:19 PM PST US
    From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT <tmbrant@msn.com>
    Subject: Tom S's instrument panel
    Tom=2C I did just that - cut a hole in the kitchen floor a few years back.. OK=2C we were already remodeling but I digress. Looks great - I'm jealous. Tom B. > Date: Fri=2C 13 Apr 2012 16:13:13 -0500 > From: TOMS@mcpcity.com > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tom S's instrument panel > > Photos you want=2C photos you shall have. I have done a little work sinc e these photos that does not show up here so I probably need to get some ne w ones. Anyway=2C these are weldable ACS 1.5 inch axles on 4130 tubing. 1 9 inch aluminum rims laced to Ken Perkins hubs (note the green primer color on the hubs.) with Honda brake calipers from a salvage facility. The disk s were machined for me out of quarter inch stainless by a local machine sho p from my CAD drawing. What you can't see are the pure motorcycle brake ho ses that fasten to a fuselage floor pass-through fitting which connects on the inside with some more motorcycle hoses to a pair of Cessna 150 brake ma ster cylinders from e-bay. I am leaning towards leaving the wheel lacing e xposed but have the plans available should I choose to cover them. This br ings up a question for the group. Is there a significant change in the aer odynamics of flight if the wheels are covered? It appears that this would create a couple of vertical stabilizers forward of the center of balance. I know that the open wheels already do this to a certain extent. > > I'm trying to figure out how to get my Piet into the basement just in cas e the predictions of nasty weather for tonight and tomorrow come true. Thi nk my wife would mind my cutting a big hole in the kitchen floor? > > Tom Stinemetze > McPherson=2C KS. > > Looks just beautiful Tom! I got distracted by your great looking white painted metal landing gear legs and clean looking wire wheels > and brake installation. Would you mind posting a photo or two of your wheels and gear? For as much as I like the Jenny style wood landing > gear my second favorite option is what you have done and what makes Don E mch's airplane look so beautiful. (along with the fact that Don did > a really nice job with the rest of the airplane too!) > > Mike C. >




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