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1. 05:16 AM - Re: Re: on beating dead horses... (Kip and Beth Gardner)
2. 07:25 AM - Re: Wings on (cjborsuk)
3. 12:30 PM - 8-32 Machine Screws (Kringle)
4. 01:09 PM - Re: Cowling Bumps (Jim Boyer)
5. 01:20 PM - Re: 8-32 Machine Screws (K5YAC)
6. 02:17 PM - another step forward (Bob edson)
7. 02:55 PM - Re: Cowling Bumps (Gary Boothe)
8. 02:56 PM - Re: another step forward (Gary Boothe)
9. 03:03 PM - Re: another step forward (Jack Phillips)
10. 03:21 PM - Re: 8-32 Machine Screws (Jack@textors.com)
11. 03:32 PM - Re: another step forward (John Hofmann)
12. 03:41 PM - Re: another step forward (Michael Perez)
13. 04:14 PM - Need some help....off topic... (Jim Markle)
14. 04:54 PM - Re: Need some help....off topic... (Gary Boothe)
15. 05:42 PM - aileron deflection (Ralph)
16. 05:43 PM - another step forward (Bob edson)
17. 06:42 PM - Re: aileron deflection (Bill Church)
18. 06:54 PM - Re: another step forward (K5YAC)
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| Subject: | Re: on beating dead horses... |
I am staying as far away from this comment thread as possible! But
just to clarify, if MMO was administered to the horse, the crap would
no longer be considered acceptable for organic growing :).
Kip
On Apr 13, 2012, at 11:42 PM, Ryan Mueller wrote:
> Well, I suppose you could administer the Marvel orally.....it should
> lubricate the lower GI to produce....the extra crap, if so desired.
>
> Otherwise, when it comes to the beating, I would imagine pine tar on
> the lower half of the beating tool to improve grip, and Marvel on
> the upper half to reduce the wear on the instrument during the
> beating.
>
> If Marvel was administered prior to beating I think it might foul
> the manure though, so I probably wouldn't use it on the
> garden....maybe Kip can advise.....
>
> Ryan
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> On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 10:02 PM, Clif Dawson <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
> wrote:
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> So let me understand here. Did the horse die from
> ingesting too much of this MMO stuff?? And just
> who was feeding it to him anyway? Was this
> horse constipated? Was someone beating it to
> work the crap out of it? That seems like an awful
> lot of work just to get a little extra crap. What for?
> Does the garden need it? So many questions, so
> little time. Where is that White Rabbit when you
> need him anyway?
>
> Nasty Clif
> Never criticise a man until you've walked a mile in
> his shoes. Then, go ahead and criticise. After all,
> you're a mile a way and you've got his shoes.
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> it is probably best to add the Marvel Mystery Oil BEFORE beating the
> dead horse - > BC
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Matt,
Franklin County - LHZ. There is now a grass strip that runs parallel to the paved
strip. I have yet to use it. Not sure if Jack P has?? Please plan on stopping
by. You should fly right over on the way to Raleigh East.
Chuck
919-524-5398
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| Subject: | 8-32 Machine Screws |
Can I use standard hardware screws to attach the leading edge or is this screw
required to be aircraft grade? If so I can't find them in the ACS catalog.
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| Subject: | Re: Cowling Bumps |
Hi Gary,
It may be 6061 fiberglass but it is neat to see the way you and others solv
e problems. I thought maybe you have used 2024 0 material and bumped them o
ut. =C2-Fiberglass and metal working are interesting to me but I ha ve li
ttle experience with either. That would be a nice way to simulate the cowli
ng bumps for a radial rocker covers.
Do you have the pickup sensor for the ignition mounted on the dynamo bracke
t?
Thanks for the show and tell; I plan to do a fiberglass cowling so things l
ike your cowling bump are nice to see.
Jim
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| Subject: | Re: 8-32 Machine Screws |
I used 8-32 stainless... Fillister head screws. I don't think they have to be
anything special.
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| Subject: | another step forward |
We started putting it back together today. Piet is on it's feet.
Pictures not the best but you can see what it will look like. The wings
are painted like the stabilizer. Thats my son in the picture. Bob
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Yes, mounted to the dynamo bracket. It has probably been 40 years since
I have messed around with fiberglass, and this was WAY easier than I
expected. Either I=99m smarter, or the products are better to work
with. Since I=99m sure I don=99t know as much as I did when
I was 18, it must be the products
Gary
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Boyer
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cowling Bumps
Hi Gary,
It may be 6061 fiberglass but it is neat to see the way you and others
solve problems. I thought maybe you have used 2024 0 material and bumped
them out. Fiberglass and metal working are interesting to me but I have
little experience with either. That would be a nice way to simulate the
cowling bumps for a radial rocker covers.
Do you have the pickup sensor for the ignition mounted on the dynamo
bracket?
Thanks for the show and tell; I plan to do a fiberglass cowling so
things like your cowling bump are nice to see.
Jim
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| Subject: | another step forward |
Beautiful, Bob!!!
Gary Boothe
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob edson
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 2:13 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: another step forward
We started putting it back together today. Piet is on it's feet. Pictures
not the best but you can see what it will look like. The wings are painted
like the stabilizer. Thats my son in the picture. Bob
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| Subject: | another step forward |
Outstanding! Another beautiful job on its way. Where do you live, Bob?
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob edson
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 5:13 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: another step forward
We started putting it back together today. Piet is on it's feet. Pictures
not the best but you can see what it will look like. The wings are painted
like the stabilizer. Thats my son in the picture. Bob
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| Subject: | Re: 8-32 Machine Screws |
John if you are gluing you should be fine
Jack Textor
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On Apr 14, 2012, at 2:29 PM, "Kringle" <Mrkringles@msn.com> wrote:
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required to be aircraft grade? If so I can't find them in the ACS catalog.
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| Subject: | Re: another step forward |
Beautiful Bob,
I love the stick grip.
-john-
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John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2424 American Lane
Madison, WI 53704
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
On Apr 14, 2012, at 4:13 PM, Bob edson wrote:
> We started putting it back together today. Piet is on it's feet.
Pictures not the best but you can see what it will look like. The wings
are painted like the stabilizer. Thats my son in the picture. Bob
> <my pictures 067.jpg><my pictures 071.jpg><my pictures 072.jpg>
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| Subject: | Re: another step forward |
Bob, I must say, I am not a fan of really bright, contrasting colors on muc
h other then race planes. However, you have managed to make me second guess
that thought...your plane looks really cool.- (Assuming that is not a ra
ce Piet.)
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Looking forward to some pics. with the wings, wheels, etc. attached.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Need some help....off topic... |
A pilot friend passed on about a year (or two) ago and his Champ has just been
sitting...his daughter owns it now....it's on a grass strip about a mile from
us.
I've recommended to her that we at least pull it out of the hangar and start it
from time to time. And she's fine with me taking it up if I want. (Of course
I'm fine with that!). Mainly I hate to see it waste away...and it will if we
don't do something.
So do we just start propping to get it started or is there some process we need
to follow for an aircraft that's been sitting for so long?
Sorry for such an "off topic" request but....well....maybe this could lead to me
getting some tailwheel time (yes, I know, ONLY after getting some tailwheel
training...) but that might make me a better Piet pilot, right? :-)
If someone has experience with such and could tell me what to watch for and give
some pointers it would be appreciated.
Offlist please.
Thanks,
Jim in Pryor (where the storms might pass us by this time....)
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| Subject: | Need some help....off topic... |
Mix MMO with a small amount of fuel and pour into the tank...Oh, wait....No, just
pour into the tank, then add fuel....No, wait....pour MMO into full tank....Oh,
Hell, just fuel it up and go!
I do have one thought, though...not to be a wet blanket...but: I was in a similar
position, many years ago. There was a landing accident (OK, I broke an axle),
but learned afterwards that the owner had just had a guy re-weld that axle
and it was clear that it was a poor weld. Still, I felt responsible, but didn't
have the $$$ to help with repairs. The owner assured me it wasn't my fault,
but I always felt guilty. Lesson I learned: Never borrow what I can't afford
to replace.
Gary from Cool
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Markle
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 4:14 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Need some help....off topic...
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A pilot friend passed on about a year (or two) ago and his Champ has just been
sitting...his daughter owns it now....it's on a grass strip about a mile from
us.
I've recommended to her that we at least pull it out of the hangar and start it
from time to time. And she's fine with me taking it up if I want. (Of course
I'm fine with that!). Mainly I hate to see it waste away...and it will if we
don't do something.
So do we just start propping to get it started or is there some process we need
to follow for an aircraft that's been sitting for so long?
Sorry for such an "off topic" request but....well....maybe this could lead to me
getting some tailwheel time (yes, I know, ONLY after getting some tailwheel
training...) but that might make me a better Piet pilot, right? :-)
If someone has experience with such and could tell me what to watch for and give
some pointers it would be appreciated.
Offlist please.
Thanks,
Jim in Pryor (where the storms might pass us by this time....)
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| Subject: | aileron deflection |
I have finally gotten back at working on the Piet and have an aileron
question. How far down should the aileron move in full deflection.
While sanding and rounding off corners today I noticed that the ailerons
don=99t seem to move down very far. The bolt heads on the hinges
stop the movement. I could recess the bolt heads and gain some but
perhaps I did not angle the front spar of the aileron enough. Would
someone measure the inches or angle that the aileron deflects downward
on a flying Piet and help me out please? I know the ailerons on my
Chief deflect more but I never use full deflection when flying so it is
hard to compare.
Thank a lot.
Ralph in SD
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| Subject: | another step forward |
Jack, We live in Branson Mo and the plane will be based at the Taney
County Airport . The motor is an 0-200 with one hour run time on it.
Hope to see Brodhead this summer. Bob
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| Subject: | Re: aileron deflection |
Ralph,
The plans don't list deflections for any of the control surfaces, but in the UK,
the LAA has documented the recommended travels, and shows typical aileron deflection
to be 15 Up and 20 Down (that translates to about 3" up and 3 1/2" down.
http://www.lightaircraftassociation.co.uk/engineering/TADs/047%20PIETENPOL%20AIRCAMPER.pdf
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: another step forward |
Wow, Branson! Cool! Another Piet to pick up on the Texas - Oklahoma - Arkansas
- Kansas - Missouri to Brodhead route! Should be quiet an arrival from the
southwest in a couple of years.
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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