---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 04/14/12: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:16 AM - Re: Re: on beating dead horses... (Kip and Beth Gardner) 2. 07:25 AM - Re: Wings on (cjborsuk) 3. 12:30 PM - 8-32 Machine Screws (Kringle) 4. 01:09 PM - Re: Cowling Bumps (Jim Boyer) 5. 01:20 PM - Re: 8-32 Machine Screws (K5YAC) 6. 02:17 PM - another step forward (Bob edson) 7. 02:55 PM - Re: Cowling Bumps (Gary Boothe) 8. 02:56 PM - Re: another step forward (Gary Boothe) 9. 03:03 PM - Re: another step forward (Jack Phillips) 10. 03:21 PM - Re: 8-32 Machine Screws (Jack@textors.com) 11. 03:32 PM - Re: another step forward (John Hofmann) 12. 03:41 PM - Re: another step forward (Michael Perez) 13. 04:14 PM - Need some help....off topic... (Jim Markle) 14. 04:54 PM - Re: Need some help....off topic... (Gary Boothe) 15. 05:42 PM - aileron deflection (Ralph) 16. 05:43 PM - another step forward (Bob edson) 17. 06:42 PM - Re: aileron deflection (Bill Church) 18. 06:54 PM - Re: another step forward (K5YAC) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:16:47 AM PST US From: Kip and Beth Gardner Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: on beating dead horses... I am staying as far away from this comment thread as possible! But just to clarify, if MMO was administered to the horse, the crap would no longer be considered acceptable for organic growing :). Kip On Apr 13, 2012, at 11:42 PM, Ryan Mueller wrote: > Well, I suppose you could administer the Marvel orally.....it should > lubricate the lower GI to produce....the extra crap, if so desired. > > Otherwise, when it comes to the beating, I would imagine pine tar on > the lower half of the beating tool to improve grip, and Marvel on > the upper half to reduce the wear on the instrument during the > beating. > > If Marvel was administered prior to beating I think it might foul > the manure though, so I probably wouldn't use it on the > garden....maybe Kip can advise..... > > Ryan > > do not archive > > On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 10:02 PM, Clif Dawson > wrote: > > > > So let me understand here. Did the horse die from > ingesting too much of this MMO stuff?? And just > who was feeding it to him anyway? Was this > horse constipated? Was someone beating it to > work the crap out of it? That seems like an awful > lot of work just to get a little extra crap. What for? > Does the garden need it? So many questions, so > little time. Where is that White Rabbit when you > need him anyway? > > Nasty Clif > Never criticise a man until you've walked a mile in > his shoes. Then, go ahead and criticise. After all, > you're a mile a way and you've got his shoes. > > do not archive > > it is probably best to add the Marvel Mystery Oil BEFORE beating the > dead horse - > BC > > do not archive > > > =================================== > st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > =================================== > http://forums.matronics.com > =================================== > le, List Admin. > ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > =================================== > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:25:23 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wings on From: "cjborsuk" Matt, Franklin County - LHZ. There is now a grass strip that runs parallel to the paved strip. I have yet to use it. Not sure if Jack P has?? Please plan on stopping by. You should fly right over on the way to Raleigh East. Chuck 919-524-5398 Do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=370773#370773 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:30:18 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: 8-32 Machine Screws From: "Kringle" Can I use standard hardware screws to attach the leading edge or is this screw required to be aircraft grade? If so I can't find them in the ACS catalog. -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=370787#370787 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:09:43 PM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cowling Bumps Hi Gary, It may be 6061 fiberglass but it is neat to see the way you and others solv e problems. I thought maybe you have used 2024 0 material and bumped them o ut. =C2-Fiberglass and metal working are interesting to me but I ha ve li ttle experience with either. That would be a nice way to simulate the cowli ng bumps for a radial rocker covers. Do you have the pickup sensor for the ignition mounted on the dynamo bracke t? Thanks for the show and tell; I plan to do a fiberglass cowling so things l ike your cowling bump are nice to see. Jim ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:20:28 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 8-32 Machine Screws From: "K5YAC" I used 8-32 stainless... Fillister head screws. I don't think they have to be anything special. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=370791#370791 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:17:24 PM PST US From: "Bob edson" Subject: Pietenpol-List: another step forward We started putting it back together today. Piet is on it's feet. Pictures not the best but you can see what it will look like. The wings are painted like the stabilizer. Thats my son in the picture. Bob ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:55:53 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Cowling Bumps Yes, mounted to the dynamo bracket. It has probably been 40 years since I have messed around with fiberglass, and this was WAY easier than I expected. Either I=99m smarter, or the products are better to work with. Since I=99m sure I don=99t know as much as I did when I was 18, it must be the products Gary From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Boyer Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 1:09 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cowling Bumps Hi Gary, It may be 6061 fiberglass but it is neat to see the way you and others solve problems. I thought maybe you have used 2024 0 material and bumped them out. Fiberglass and metal working are interesting to me but I have little experience with either. That would be a nice way to simulate the cowling bumps for a radial rocker covers. Do you have the pickup sensor for the ignition mounted on the dynamo bracket? Thanks for the show and tell; I plan to do a fiberglass cowling so things like your cowling bump are nice to see. Jim 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:56:15 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: another step forward Beautiful, Bob!!! Gary Boothe NX308MB Do not archive From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob edson Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 2:13 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: another step forward We started putting it back together today. Piet is on it's feet. Pictures not the best but you can see what it will look like. The wings are painted like the stabilizer. Thats my son in the picture. Bob ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:03:07 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: another step forward Outstanding! Another beautiful job on its way. Where do you live, Bob? Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob edson Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 5:13 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: another step forward We started putting it back together today. Piet is on it's feet. Pictures not the best but you can see what it will look like. The wings are painted like the stabilizer. Thats my son in the picture. Bob ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:21:42 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 8-32 Machine Screws From: "Jack@textors.com" John if you are gluing you should be fine Jack Textor Sent from my iPad On Apr 14, 2012, at 2:29 PM, "Kringle" wrote: > > Can I use standard hardware screws to attach the leading edge or is this screw required to be aircraft grade? If so I can't find them in the ACS catalog. > > -------- > John > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=370787#370787 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:32:19 PM PST US From: John Hofmann Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: another step forward Beautiful Bob, I love the stick grip. -john- do not archive John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2424 American Lane Madison, WI 53704 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com On Apr 14, 2012, at 4:13 PM, Bob edson wrote: > We started putting it back together today. Piet is on it's feet. Pictures not the best but you can see what it will look like. The wings are painted like the stabilizer. Thats my son in the picture. Bob > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:41:42 PM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: another step forward Bob, I must say, I am not a fan of really bright, contrasting colors on muc h other then race planes. However, you have managed to make me second guess that thought...your plane looks really cool.- (Assuming that is not a ra ce Piet.) - Looking forward to some pics. with the wings, wheels, etc. attached. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:14:19 PM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Pietenpol-List: Need some help....off topic... A pilot friend passed on about a year (or two) ago and his Champ has just been sitting...his daughter owns it now....it's on a grass strip about a mile from us. I've recommended to her that we at least pull it out of the hangar and start it from time to time. And she's fine with me taking it up if I want. (Of course I'm fine with that!). Mainly I hate to see it waste away...and it will if we don't do something. So do we just start propping to get it started or is there some process we need to follow for an aircraft that's been sitting for so long? Sorry for such an "off topic" request but....well....maybe this could lead to me getting some tailwheel time (yes, I know, ONLY after getting some tailwheel training...) but that might make me a better Piet pilot, right? :-) If someone has experience with such and could tell me what to watch for and give some pointers it would be appreciated. Offlist please. Thanks, Jim in Pryor (where the storms might pass us by this time....) ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:54:12 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Need some help....off topic... Mix MMO with a small amount of fuel and pour into the tank...Oh, wait....No, just pour into the tank, then add fuel....No, wait....pour MMO into full tank....Oh, Hell, just fuel it up and go! I do have one thought, though...not to be a wet blanket...but: I was in a similar position, many years ago. There was a landing accident (OK, I broke an axle), but learned afterwards that the owner had just had a guy re-weld that axle and it was clear that it was a poor weld. Still, I felt responsible, but didn't have the $$$ to help with repairs. The owner assured me it wasn't my fault, but I always felt guilty. Lesson I learned: Never borrow what I can't afford to replace. Gary from Cool NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Markle Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 4:14 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Need some help....off topic... --> A pilot friend passed on about a year (or two) ago and his Champ has just been sitting...his daughter owns it now....it's on a grass strip about a mile from us. I've recommended to her that we at least pull it out of the hangar and start it from time to time. And she's fine with me taking it up if I want. (Of course I'm fine with that!). Mainly I hate to see it waste away...and it will if we don't do something. So do we just start propping to get it started or is there some process we need to follow for an aircraft that's been sitting for so long? Sorry for such an "off topic" request but....well....maybe this could lead to me getting some tailwheel time (yes, I know, ONLY after getting some tailwheel training...) but that might make me a better Piet pilot, right? :-) If someone has experience with such and could tell me what to watch for and give some pointers it would be appreciated. Offlist please. Thanks, Jim in Pryor (where the storms might pass us by this time....) ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:42:09 PM PST US From: "Ralph" Subject: Pietenpol-List: aileron deflection I have finally gotten back at working on the Piet and have an aileron question. How far down should the aileron move in full deflection. While sanding and rounding off corners today I noticed that the ailerons don=99t seem to move down very far. The bolt heads on the hinges stop the movement. I could recess the bolt heads and gain some but perhaps I did not angle the front spar of the aileron enough. Would someone measure the inches or angle that the aileron deflects downward on a flying Piet and help me out please? I know the ailerons on my Chief deflect more but I never use full deflection when flying so it is hard to compare. Thank a lot. Ralph in SD ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 05:43:10 PM PST US From: "Bob edson" Subject: Pietenpol-List: another step forward Jack, We live in Branson Mo and the plane will be based at the Taney County Airport . The motor is an 0-200 with one hour run time on it. Hope to see Brodhead this summer. Bob ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:42:29 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: aileron deflection From: "Bill Church" Ralph, The plans don't list deflections for any of the control surfaces, but in the UK, the LAA has documented the recommended travels, and shows typical aileron deflection to be 15 Up and 20 Down (that translates to about 3" up and 3 1/2" down. http://www.lightaircraftassociation.co.uk/engineering/TADs/047%20PIETENPOL%20AIRCAMPER.pdf Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=370821#370821 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:54:46 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: another step forward From: "K5YAC" Wow, Branson! Cool! Another Piet to pick up on the Texas - Oklahoma - Arkansas - Kansas - Missouri to Brodhead route! 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