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     2. 04:13 AM - Re: another step forward (helspersew@aol.com)
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     4. 04:56 AM - Re: Wing Tip Bows (Kringle)
     5. 05:05 AM - Re: 8-32 Machine Screws (Ben Charvet)
     6. 05:26 AM - Re: Need some help....off topic... (Ben Charvet)
     7. 06:52 AM - Cost of inspections (gliderx5@comcast.net)
     8. 06:52 AM - Re: Re: Wing Tip Bows (Gary Boothe)
     9. 07:39 AM - Re: Cost of inspections (Jack Phillips)
    10. 08:27 AM - Re: Wing Tip Bows (Kringle)
    11. 08:44 AM - Re: Cost of inspections (Ben Charvet)
    12. 09:10 AM - Re: Wing Tip Bows (Kringle)
    13. 10:35 AM - Re: Re: Wing Tip Bows (Gary Boothe)
    14. 10:40 AM - Re: Re: Wing Tip Bows (Gary Boothe)
    15. 11:36 AM - Re: Re: Wing Tip Bows (Jack Phillips)
    16. 11:39 AM - Re: Re: Wing Tip Bows (Jack Phillips)
    17. 12:00 PM - Re: Re: Wing Tip Bows (Chris)
    18. 12:02 PM - Re: 8-32 Machine Screws (Chris)
    19. 02:53 PM - Re: Wing Tip Bows (Kringle)
    20. 03:11 PM - Re: Re: Wing Tip Bows (Gary Boothe)
    21. 06:28 PM - Traveling to DFW area (Ken Bickers)
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| Subject:  | Re: Wing Tip Bows | 
      
      
      I was searching for comments on the construction of wing tip bows and found this
      thread.  This week my local EAA chapter is meeting at my place to look at my
      project and help me trammel my right wing.  I have not made my wing tip bows
      yet so I temporarily slid in a compression strut at the tip.  This should surfice,
      agreed?  
      
      I couldn't find a good thread on the construction of the tips so if anyone can
      point me in a good direction, I would appreciate it.
      
      John
      
      --------
      John
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=370831#370831
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: another step forward | 
      
      
      Wow Bob, a stunning example. I must say that the fabric-covered cockpit cow
      ling is very nice looking and different than I have seen. It must be plywoo
      d? Very smooth and contiguous. Looking forward to seeing another great Piet
       at Brodhead this year. I think our numbers are really going to explode in 
      the next few years.
      
      Dan Helsper
      Puryear, TN 
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Wing Tip Bows | 
      
      
      John,
      
      You need to go ahead and make the wing tips, since they provide the
      compression strut at the tip.  You can't trammel a wing with a temporary
      strut and then remove the temporary and replace it with a permanent strut.
      For one thing, I doubt you could remove the temporary strut once you have
      the drag and anti-drag wires tensioned properly.
      
      Trammeling a wing is not difficult, but it helps to have two people to do
      it.  It also helps to have a couple of Trammel Points mounted on a long
      light stick (a piece of spruce will do) as a trammel bar.  You can do it
      with a tape measure, but not as accurately as with trammel points (you can
      buy them at ACS).
      
      The procedure is to get the wing laying flat on sawhorses, take the fixed
      trammel point and punch it into the top of the spar at the intersection of
      the spar centerline and the drag wire or anti-drag wire fitting.  Then swing
      the trammel bar over so that it is pointing toward the intersection on the
      other spar where the wires attach and punch the trammel point into the top
      of that spar over the spar centerline, and the intersection point of the
      wires.  
      
      Now lift the trammel bar and reverse it.  In other words, if you started at
      the wingtip with the first trammel point in the front spar and the second
      point in the rear spar at the middle where the wires attach, you would move
      the first point to the rear spar at the tip and the second point to the
      front spar at the wire attach point.  If the wing is square and true (not
      likely at this point) the second point will be exactly on the spar
      centerline over the intersection point of the bracing wires.  If not, you
      need to start adjusting turnbuckles until it does line up.  Then put the
      trammel bar n the original position and see if it will line up.  Keep making
      adjustments like that until that bay is true and square.  Then do the other
      bay in the same manner.  Once each bay is trammeled, you should be able to
      pick up the trammel bar and set in place in either the drag or anti-drag
      position and the points should just drop into place on the spar centerline
      directly above the intersection point of the wires.
      
      By the time you have the entire wing square and true, your wires should be
      reasonably tight, but if not yu can tighten them until they generate a nice
      "Thummm" when plucked.  Just remember that to keep the wing true, you will
      need to tighten them equally (if you turn the drag wire turnbuckle one-half
      turn, you need to turn the anti-drag wire turnbuckle the same amount, in the
      same direction).  Once you have the wing trammeled and true, with the wires
      tight you should go ahead and safetywire the turnbuckles so they won't move.
      You should never have to trammel it again unless something breaks or shifts.
      This is why you can't do it with a temporary compression strut.
      
      If this is not clear, let me know and I'll try to draw some pictures to
      explain the process.  Does your EAA Chapter have a Technical Counselor?  If
      so, he should be able to explain and demonstrate the process for you, and he
      probably has a set of trammel points to use.
      
      Good Luck!
      
      Jack Phillips
      NX899JP
      Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kringle
      Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 6:50 AM
      Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing Tip Bows
      
      
      I was searching for comments on the construction of wing tip bows and found
      this thread.  This week my local EAA chapter is meeting at my place to look
      at my project and help me trammel my right wing.  I have not made my wing
      tip bows yet so I temporarily slid in a compression strut at the tip.  This
      should surfice, agreed?  
      
      I couldn't find a good thread on the construction of the tips so if anyone
      can point me in a good direction, I would appreciate it.
      
      John
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Wing Tip Bows | 
      
      
      Jack, thanks for the response.  My technical advisor is helping me set this up.
      He is going to show the group the proper way to trammel a wing and told me if
      the wing is not ready it is no big deal as he will just talk his way through
      it.  Since I don't have my leading and trailing edge finished I'm not sure I
      can complete the wing tips yet?
      
      --------
      John
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=370836#370836
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: 8-32 Machine Screws | 
      
      
      I used stainless hardware store screws on mine.  I figured they were 
      just to hold it in place while the glue dried.  I also used stainless 
      self-locking nuts and washers.
      
      Ben Charvet
      
      On 4/14/2012 3:29 PM, Kringle wrote:
      > -->  Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Kringle"<Mrkringles@msn.com>
      >
      > Can I use standard hardware screws to attach the leading edge or is this screw
      required to be aircraft grade?  If so I can't find them in the ACS catalog.
      >
      > --------
      > John
      >
      >
      > Read this topic online here:
      >
      > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=370787#370787
      >
      >
      
      
      -- 
      Ben Charvet, PharmD
      Staff Pharmacist
      Parrish Medical center
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Need some help....off topic... | 
      
      
      Sounds like a great opportunity.  Do you have someone in the area that 
      could do an annual on it for you?  He could give the best advice after 
      giving it a once-over.  Here in Florida just sitting takes a heavy toll 
      on engines due to corrosion.  You need an annual anyway, so I'd try that.
      
      
      Ben
      On 4/14/2012 7:13 PM, Jim Markle wrote:
      > -->  Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Markle<jim_markle@mindspring.com>
      >
      > A pilot friend passed on about a year (or two) ago and his Champ has just been
      sitting...his daughter owns it now....it's on a grass strip about a mile from
      us.
      >
      > I've recommended to her that we at least pull it out of the hangar and start
      it from time to time.  And she's fine with me taking it up if I want.  (Of course
      I'm fine with that!).  Mainly I hate to see it waste away...and it will if
      we don't do something.
      >
      > So do we just start propping to get it started or is there some process we need
      to follow for an aircraft that's been sitting for so long?
      >
      > Sorry for such an "off topic" request but....well....maybe this could lead to
      me getting some tailwheel time (yes, I know, ONLY after getting some tailwheel
      training...) but that might make me a better Piet pilot, right?  :-)
      >
      > If someone has experience with such and could tell me what to watch for and give
      some pointers it would be appreciated.
      >
      > Offlist please.
      >
      > Thanks,
      > Jim in Pryor (where the storms might pass us by this time....)
      >
      >
      
      
      -- 
      Ben Charvet, PharmD
      Staff Pharmacist
      Parrish Medical center
      
      
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| Subject:  | Cost of inspections | 
      
      I've been wondering about the cost of annual inspections (or conditions inspections)
      for experimentals like a Piet vs. simple type certificated airplanes like
      a cub or colt. In looking over the FARs it seems like the A&P would have to
      do all of the same things, which then would cost the same. So, without a repairman
      certificate it looks like there might not be the savings that I anticipated
      in owning an EAB. Any thoughts or experience? 
      
      Malcolm Morrison 
      http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123/Airplanes.htm 
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Wing Tip Bows | 
      
      John,
      
      
      Jack is certainly right, that you would probably not be able to remove 
      the
      temporary compression struts after the wing is trammeled, but, since 
      this is
      a learning exorcise, and you still have another wing to do, you could 
      always
      loosen the cables and re-trammel the wing later. It=92s really a fun and 
      easy
      process, and you will have the benefit of having it demonstrated for 
      you. 
      
      
      As to the construction of the tip bows=85I built mine right on top of 
      the rib
      template by establishing several =BD way points along the rib, install 3 
      or 4=94
      screws, and clamp the laminating strips to those screws. If it takes you
      more than an hour per tip you=92re doggin=92 it!! 
      
      
      Gary from Cool
      
      NX308MB
      
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
      Phillips
      Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 4:38 AM
      Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing Tip Bows
      
      
      
      --> < <mailto:pietflyr@bellsouth.net> pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
      
      
      John,
      
      
      You need to go ahead and make the wing tips, since they provide the
      compression strut at the tip.  You can't trammel a wing with a temporary
      strut and then remove the temporary and replace it with a permanent 
      strut.
      
      For one thing, I doubt you could remove the temporary strut once you 
      have
      the drag and anti-drag wires tensioned properly.
      
      
      Trammeling a wing is not difficult, but it helps to have two people to 
      do
      it.  It also helps to have a couple of Trammel Points mounted on a long
      light stick (a piece of spruce will do) as a trammel bar.  You can do it
      with a tape measure, but not as accurately as with trammel points (you 
      can
      buy them at ACS).
      
      
      The procedure is to get the wing laying flat on sawhorses, take the 
      fixed
      trammel point and punch it into the top of the spar at the intersection 
      of
      the spar centerline and the drag wire or anti-drag wire fitting.  Then 
      swing
      the trammel bar over so that it is pointing toward the intersection on 
      the
      other spar where the wires attach and punch the trammel point into the 
      top
      of that spar over the spar centerline, and the intersection point of the
      wires.  
      
      
      Now lift the trammel bar and reverse it.  In other words, if you started 
      at
      the wingtip with the first trammel point in the front spar and the 
      second
      point in the rear spar at the middle where the wires attach, you would 
      move
      the first point to the rear spar at the tip and the second point to the
      front spar at the wire attach point.  If the wing is square and true 
      (not
      likely at this point) the second point will be exactly on the spar
      centerline over the intersection point of the bracing wires.  If not, 
      you
      need to start adjusting turnbuckles until it does line up.  Then put the
      trammel bar n the original position and see if it will line up.  Keep 
      making
      adjustments like that until that bay is true and square.  Then do the 
      other
      bay in the same manner.  Once each bay is trammeled, you should be able 
      to
      pick up the trammel bar and set in place in either the drag or anti-drag
      position and the points should just drop into place on the spar 
      centerline
      directly above the intersection point of the wires.
      
      
      By the time you have the entire wing square and true, your wires should 
      be
      reasonably tight, but if not yu can tighten them until they generate a 
      nice
      "Thummm" when plucked.  Just remember that to keep the wing true, you 
      will
      need to tighten them equally (if you turn the drag wire turnbuckle 
      one-half
      turn, you need to turn the anti-drag wire turnbuckle the same amount, in 
      the
      same direction).  Once you have the wing trammeled and true, with the 
      wires
      tight you should go ahead and safetywire the turnbuckles so they won't 
      move.
      
      You should never have to trammel it again unless something breaks or 
      shifts.
      
      This is why you can't do it with a temporary compression strut.
      
      
      If this is not clear, let me know and I'll try to draw some pictures to
      explain the process.  Does your EAA Chapter have a Technical Counselor?  
      If
      so, he should be able to explain and demonstrate the process for you, 
      and he
      probably has a set of trammel points to use.
      
      
      Good Luck!
      
      
      Jack Phillips
      
      NX899JP
      
      Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
      
      
      -----Original Message-----
      
      From:  <mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com>
      owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
      
       <mailto:[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]>
      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kringle
      
      Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 6:50 AM
      
      
      Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing Tip Bows
      
      
      <mailto:Mrkringles@msn.com> Mrkringles@msn.com>
      
      
      I was searching for comments on the construction of wing tip bows and 
      found
      this thread.  This week my local EAA chapter is meeting at my place to 
      look
      at my project and help me trammel my right wing.  I have not made my 
      wing
      tip bows yet so I temporarily slid in a compression strut at the tip.  
      This
      should surfice, agreed?  
      
      
      I couldn't find a good thread on the construction of the tips so if 
      anyone
      can point me in a good direction, I would appreciate it.
      
      
      John
      
      
      List
      7-Day
      
      
      http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
      
      
      http://www.matronics.com/contribution
      
      
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| Subject:  | Cost of inspections | 
      
      Without a repairman's certificate there are still cost savings.  You (or
      anybody else) can make any repairs or modifications desired on an
      Experimental.  Not so for a certificated aircraft.  Anything more
      complicated than an oil change or changing a tire must be done by an A&P on
      a certificated plane.
      
      
      Shop around and be sure you remind them that only an A&P license is required
      to inspect a homebuilt.  An IA is not required.  It should be cheaper,
      particularly if they will let you do an "owner assisted" inspection (meaning
      you do all the work under their direction and they provide a signature in
      the logbook).
      
      
      Jack Phillips
      
      NX899JP
      
      Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
      
      
        _____  
      
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
      gliderx5@comcast.net
      Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 9:51 AM
      Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cost of inspections
      
      
      I've been wondering about the cost of annual inspections (or conditions
      inspections) for experimentals like a Piet vs. simple type certificated
      airplanes like a cub or colt.  In looking over the FARs it seems like the
      A&P would have to do all of the same things, which then would cost the same.
      So, without a repairman certificate it looks like there might not be the
      savings that I anticipated in owning an EAB.  Any thoughts or experience?
      
      Malcolm Morrison
      http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123/Airplanes.htm
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Wing Tip Bows | 
      
      
      Gary,
      
      My plan shows 4 pieces of 1/4" laminated together.  Did you soak and bend the plywood
      to shape?  Did you then glue them together, clamp, and sand to the finished
      piece?
      
      John
      
      --------
      John
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=370860#370860
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Cost of inspections | 
      
      
      As Jack said, you can do any repairs yourself, even without the 
      repairman's certificate.  Also, you don't need an IA to sign off an 
      experimental, only an A&P.  They aren't required to sign it off as 
      airworthy, and there are no records that need to be researched for 50 
      years to assure all AD's have been corrected.  The sign off for an 
      experimental just states that it has been found in safe condition for 
      flight.  When I had my Baby Ace, I was signed off by two different AP's 
      in my EAA chapter and they always did it for free, with me doing all the 
      work.  Just one example of why you need to join your local EAA chapter.
      
      Ben Charvet
      On 4/15/2012 9:51 AM, gliderx5@comcast.net wrote:
      > I've been wondering about the cost of annual inspections (or 
      > conditions inspections) for experimentals like a Piet vs. simple type 
      > certificated airplanes like a cub or colt.  In looking over the FARs 
      > it seems like the A&P would have to do all of the same things, which 
      > then would cost the same.  So, without a repairman certificate it 
      > looks like there might not be the savings that I anticipated in owning 
      > an EAB.  Any thoughts or experience?
      >
      > Malcolm Morrison
      > http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123/Airplanes.htm
      > *
      >
      >
      > *
      
      
      -- 
      Ben Charvet, PharmD
      Staff Pharmacist
      Parrish Medical center
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Wing Tip Bows | 
      
      
      Here's where I am.  I could get the temp compression stud out after mounting the
      wing tip with a saw if I had to.  Jack, thanks for the info on tammeling. I
      assume it is imperative that the points you pick on the front and rear spars must
      line up from fore to aft exactly to get everything square.
      
      --------
      John
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=370866#370866
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Wing Tip Bows | 
      
      
      My bows are hickory, and less than 1/4", maybe even 1/8"! They're covered
      now, and I don't have any close up pics. Still, I would rip 1/4", then see
      how well it makes the bend...should do fine. It would probably be easiest to
      glue all together on the flat, then place on to the template and clamp. At
      least, that's how I did it. No soaking.
      
      Gary 
      
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kringle
      Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 8:27 AM
      Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing Tip Bows
      
      
      Gary,
      
      My plan shows 4 pieces of 1/4" laminated together.  Did you soak and bend
      the plywood to shape?  Did you then glue them together, clamp, and sand to
      the finished piece?
      
      John
      
      --------
      John
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=370860#370860
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Wing Tip Bows | 
      
      
      Additional thought, John...I think it was Skip Gadd who talked about
      trammeling at least 3 times, during each phase of the construct. Seems like
      it would be a mistake to trammel the first time after the leading and
      trailing edges are on.
      
      Gary from Cool
      NX308MB
      
      
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      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kringle
      Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 9:10 AM
      Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing Tip Bows
      
      
      Here's where I am.  I could get the temp compression stud out after mounting
      the wing tip with a saw if I had to.  Jack, thanks for the info on
      tammeling. I assume it is imperative that the points you pick on the front
      and rear spars must line up from fore to aft exactly to get everything
      square.
      
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      John
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Wing Tip Bows | 
      
      Correct.  What you are doing is making two triangles and ensuring that they
      are absolutely identical, as shown:
      
      
      Jack Phillips
      
      NX899JP
      
      Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
      
      
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      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kringle
      Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 12:10 PM
      Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing Tip Bows
      
      
      
      
      Here's where I am.  I could get the temp compression stud out after mounting
      the wing tip with a saw if I had to.  Jack, thanks for the info on
      tammeling. I assume it is imperative that the points you pick on the front
      and rear spars must line up from fore to aft exactly to get everything
      square.
      
      
      --------
      
      John
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Wing Tip Bows | 
      
      
      Gary is correct.  Trammel it before the LE and TE are attached. 
      
      Jack Phillips
      NX899JP
      Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
      
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      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe
      Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 1:40 PM
      Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing Tip Bows
      
      
      Additional thought, John...I think it was Skip Gadd who talked about
      trammeling at least 3 times, during each phase of the construct. Seems like
      it would be a mistake to trammel the first time after the leading and
      trailing edges are on.
      
      Gary from Cool
      NX308MB
      
      
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      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kringle
      Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 9:10 AM
      Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing Tip Bows
      
      
      Here's where I am.  I could get the temp compression stud out after mounting
      the wing tip with a saw if I had to.  Jack, thanks for the info on
      tammeling. I assume it is imperative that the points you pick on the front
      and rear spars must line up from fore to aft exactly to get everything
      square.
      
      --------
      John
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Wing Tip Bows | 
      
      
      John
      
      I made my wing tips out of poplar.  Looks like I used 7 layers.  It doesn't
      matter how many you use.  I made them thin enough so they did not need
      soaking to bend.  To form the tip I traced a wing rib on the back of my wing
      rib jig.  I also marked where the end of the tapered end of the spars are.
      I then measured and drew a center line down the traced wing rib.  I measured
      half inch above and below to draw the outer lines of the wing tip. Make sure
      you adjust the line so it coincides with the wing spars.  I covered the
      board with plastic wrap, then hammered in 10 or 15 nails along the outer
      lines.  Trial fit the sticks.  After I had it all set up, I quickly glued
      each stick with T-88, stacked them together, covered them with plastic wrap
      and clamped with 1-inch binder clips.  After they dried I sanded off the
      excess glue and rounded off the outer edges with my router but a plane or
      sand paper would work too.
      
      Some pictures  
      
       http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/images/IMG_5056.JPG
      
      http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/images/IMG_5058.JPG
      
      http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/images/IMG_6043.JPG
      
      http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/images/IMG_6044.JPG
      
      Installed
      
      http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/images/IMG_5559.JPG
      
      http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/images/IMG_5560.JPG
      
      
      Chris
      Sacramento, Ca
      Westcoastpiet.com
      
      
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      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kringle
      Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 8:27 AM
      Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing Tip Bows
      
      
      Gary,
      
      My plan shows 4 pieces of 1/4" laminated together.  Did you soak and bend
      the plywood to shape?  Did you then glue them together, clamp, and sand to
      the finished piece?
      
      John
      
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| Subject:  | 8-32 Machine Screws | 
      
      
      John, 
      
      If you talking about the leading edge of the wing, I have no screws or
      bolts.  I clamped it on.
      
      http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/images/IMG_5045.JPG
      
      Chris
      Sacramento, Ca
      Westcoastpiet.com
      
      
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      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kringle
      Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 12:30 PM
      Subject: Pietenpol-List: 8-32 Machine Screws
      
      
      Can I use standard hardware screws to attach the leading edge or is this
      screw required to be aircraft grade?  If so I can't find them in the ACS
      catalog.
      
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      John
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Wing Tip Bows | 
      
      
      Without the wing tip bow in place we could still trammel the inner bay, correct?
      
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      John
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Wing Tip Bows | 
      
      
      Yes.
      
      Gary Boothe
      NX308MB
      
      
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      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kringle
      Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 2:53 PM
      Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing Tip Bows
      
      
      Without the wing tip bow in place we could still trammel the inner bay,
      correct?
      
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      John
      
      
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| Subject:  | Traveling to DFW area | 
      
      
      If anyone on the list in the Dallas/Fort Worth metroplex would welcome
      a visit next Saturday afternoon, April 21, I'll be flying into DFW
      and will have a rental car and a bit of free time on my hands.  I'd be
      delighted to spend an hour or two talking Pietenpols or lending a
      hand.  Let me know off-list.  Cheers, Ken
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Wing Tip Bows | 
      
      
      During Oshkosh 2004 we covered Mr. Pietenpol's 1966 Aircamper.  It is the plane
      that is on display in the Pietenpol Hanger.  Here is how he constructed the one
      piece wing in 1966.
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Wing Tip Bows | 
      
      
      Sorry,  This should look better than the previous...   The compression strut was
      3/4 X 3/4.
      
      
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