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1. 03:57 AM - Re: Temperature Gauges W/O Electrical System (DaveG601XL)
2. 04:00 AM - spinning a Piet (Douwe Blumberg)
3. 04:25 AM - Re: considering a piet build (jarheadpilot82)
4. 04:45 AM - Re: spins (womenfly2)
5. 04:48 AM - Re: considering a piet build (womenfly2)
6. 04:57 AM - Re: spins (jarheadpilot82)
7. 05:05 AM - spins, TGWP (helspersew@aol.com)
8. 06:12 AM - Re: spins, TGWP (Amsafetyc)
9. 06:13 AM - Re: spinning a Piet (TOM STINEMETZE)
10. 06:19 AM - Re: Re: spins (Amsafetyc)
11. 06:29 AM - Re: Re: spins (airlion)
12. 08:41 AM - Re: Re: spins (ellery voge)
13. 08:54 AM - Re: Re: spins (Gerry Holland)
14. 09:15 AM - Re: considering a piet build (nightmare)
15. 09:31 AM - Re: Re: spins (Ryan Mueller)
16. 09:35 AM - Re: Re: spins (Steve Emo)
17. 09:39 AM - piet pics (nightmare)
18. 09:56 AM - Re: piet pics (Michael Perez)
19. 09:58 AM - Re: piet pics (Jack@textors.com)
20. 10:01 AM - Re: piet pics (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
21. 10:10 AM - Re: piet pics (helspersew@aol.com)
22. 11:23 AM - Re: 2. 04:23 AM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 46 Msgs - 04/16/12 (Sutton, Mark) (Sanders, Andrew P)
23. 11:33 AM - Re: piet pics (Dan Yocum)
24. 01:49 PM - Re: spins (jarheadpilot82)
25. 02:26 PM - Re: piet pics (nightmare)
26. 02:30 PM - Re: spins (Bill Church)
27. 02:42 PM - Re: spins (jarheadpilot82)
28. 03:10 PM - Re: Destructive Testing (gboothe5@comcast.net)
29. 03:28 PM - Re: spins (Bill Church)
30. 03:31 PM - Cub Style Wheel Option (Ryan M)
31. 03:43 PM - Re: Cub Style Wheel Option (Ryan M)
32. 03:49 PM - Re: Stitch question... (Gary Boothe)
33. 03:55 PM - Re: Cub Style Wheel Option (Ryan M)
34. 04:07 PM - Re: spins (kevinpurtee)
35. 04:17 PM - Re: Destructive Testing (helspersew@aol.com)
36. 04:19 PM - adhesive question (Bob edson)
37. 04:22 PM - Re: Re: spins (airlion)
38. 04:34 PM - Re: Re: spins (airlion)
39. 04:36 PM - Re: adhesive question (airlion)
40. 04:36 PM - Re: adhesive question (Jack Phillips)
41. 04:54 PM - Re: spins (jarheadpilot82)
42. 04:56 PM - Re: Re: spins (Ryan Mueller)
43. 04:56 PM - Don't know (airlion)
44. 04:56 PM - looks awesome! (j_dunavin)
45. 04:57 PM - Re: Overkill... (j_dunavin)
46. 05:13 PM - Re: Stitch question... (Jim Markle)
47. 05:15 PM - Re: spins (jarheadpilot82)
48. 05:47 PM - Re: Stitch question... (Jack)
49. 05:51 PM - Re: Destructive Testing (Ryan Mueller)
50. 05:53 PM - Re: Destructive Testing (Bill Church)
51. 05:57 PM - Re: Re: Destructive Testing (Ryan Mueller)
52. 06:16 PM - Re: spins (Bill Church)
53. 06:50 PM - Re: Re: spins (airlion)
54. 07:01 PM - Re: Re: spins (airlion)
55. 08:00 PM - Re: Horizontal stab end pieces (Kyle85)
56. 08:21 PM - Re: Don't know (Jack Phillips)
57. 08:52 PM - Re: Don't know (taildrags)
58. 11:50 PM - Re: piet pics (Clif Dawson)
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| Subject: | Re: Temperature Gauges W/O Electrical System |
Thanks guys, this is exactly what I was looking for.
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David Gallagher
Zodiac 601 XL-B: flying, 200+ hours now
Next project under construction: Aircamper
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Always use Marvel Mystery Oil before you attempt to spin your Pietenpol, and
make sure your handheld has enough range to clear the area by using a proper
ground plane.
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: considering a piet build |
Thanks, Dick, for the additional information.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
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DO NOT spin a Pietenpol, even if you have a parachute (by-the-way would not fit
in the cockpit with a pilot anyway). If you have a catastrophic failure, you
could not get out of the plane if you had to.
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| Subject: | Re: considering a piet build |
Why would you want a Pietenpol if you have a Cub? Fly the Cub!
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Gardiner,
Dave discusses the point very well, but here are my thoughts.
As this is an individually-built airplane, even if someone else tested their wings,
unless you have tested yours, you really do not know the g limits. When someone
gets in a conventionally-built airplane that is certified for spins or
aerobatic maneuvers, you know that numerous engineers did a lot of figuring, and
the airplane was built with the engineering, design, and destructive testing
completed, as well as standardized methods of construction. People have said
the Mr. Pietenpol "over designed" the airplane in many ways, but unless you have
done specific testing on your methods of construction, I would not even think
about intentionally doing those types of maneuvers. Well, at least not without
a parachute. [Wink]
I am in the process of building my ribs, so I am getting ready to sand bag test
one of my ribs to destruction. I know that sand bag testing will not really give
me a complete picture of the g limits, it will give me some comfort as to
the relative strength of my ribs as well as the quality of my construction.
Just my $0.02.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
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"Now I'm talk'n about five dollars for the best day of your life"
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"what if I don't like it?"
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On Apr 18, 2012, at 8:04 AM, helspersew@aol.com wrote:
> "Now I'm talk'n about five dollars for the best day of your life"
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| Subject: | Re: spinning a Piet |
Douwe:
You forgot to mention filling up all the voids with ping pong balls
and/or milk jugs. For the energy absorption properties, of course.
Stinemetze
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>>> "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.net> 4/18/2012 6:07 AM
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Always use Marvel Mystery Oil before you attempt to spin your
Pietenpol, and make sure your handheld has enough range to clear the
area by using a proper ground plane
Douwe
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Terry,
I would be interested in seeing your data in addition to how you are treating it
in your overall calculations and finally your operating assumptions based upon
that data. That is if you don't mind sharing, I would appreciate it.
Thanks
John
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Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 18, 2012, at 7:56 AM, "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> Gardiner,
>
> Dave discusses the point very well, but here are my thoughts.
>
> As this is an individually-built airplane, even if someone else tested their
wings, unless you have tested yours, you really do not know the g limits. When
someone gets in a conventionally-built airplane that is certified for spins or
aerobatic maneuvers, you know that numerous engineers did a lot of figuring,
and the airplane was built with the engineering, design, and destructive testing
completed, as well as standardized methods of construction. People have said
the Mr. Pietenpol "over designed" the airplane in many ways, but unless you
have done specific testing on your methods of construction, I would not even
think about intentionally doing those types of maneuvers. Well, at least not without
a parachute. [Wink]
>
> I am in the process of building my ribs, so I am getting ready to sand bag test
one of my ribs to destruction. I know that sand bag testing will not really
give me a complete picture of the g limits, it will give me some comfort as to
the relative strength of my ribs as well as the quality of my construction.
>
> Just my $0.02.
>
> --------
> Do Not Archive
>
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry Hand
>
>
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>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=371141#371141
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Terry, I don't know what sandbagging a rib will accomplish because it is not
really strong untill it is a wing. I do know that my new ribs of spruce are much
stronger than my old ribs of cedar. Cheers, Gardiner
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From: Amsafetyc <amsafetyc@aol.com>
Sent: Wed, April 18, 2012 9:18:24 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: spins
Terry,
I would be interested in seeing your data in addition to how you are treating it
in your overall calculations and finally your operating assumptions based upon
that data. That is if you don't mind sharing, I would appreciate it.
Thanks
John
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On Apr 18, 2012, at 7:56 AM, "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
wrote:
><jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
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> Gardiner,
>
> Dave discusses the point very well, but here are my thoughts.
>
> As this is an individually-built airplane, even if someone else tested their
>wings, unless you have tested yours, you really do not know the g limits. When
>someone gets in a conventionally-built airplane that is certified for spins or
>aerobatic maneuvers, you know that numerous engineers did a lot of figuring, and
>the airplane was built with the engineering, design, and destructive testing
>completed, as well as standardized methods of construction. People have said the
>Mr. Pietenpol "over designed" the airplane in many ways, but unless you have
>done specific testing on your methods of construction, I would not even think
>about intentionally doing those types of maneuvers. Well, at least not without
a
>parachute. [Wink]
>
> I am in the process of building my ribs, so I am getting ready to sand bag test
>one of my ribs to destruction. I know that sand bag testing will not really give
>me a complete picture of the g limits, it will give me some comfort as to the
>relative strength of my ribs as well as the quality of my construction.
>
> Just my $0.02.
>
> --------
> Do Not Archive
>
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry Hand
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=371141#371141
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If you have ever been in a spin ( any airplane) spinning a piet. would neve
r be considered.
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: spins
> From: amsafetyc@aol.com
> Date: Wed=2C 18 Apr 2012 09:18:24 -0400
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
>
> Terry=2C
>
> I would be interested in seeing your data in addition to how you are trea
ting it in your overall calculations and finally your operating assumptions
based upon that data. That is if you don't mind sharing=2C I would appreci
ate it.
>
> Thanks
>
> John
>
> Do not archive
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 18=2C 2012=2C at 7:56 AM=2C "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82@hotma
il.com> wrote:
>
hotmail.com>
> >
> > Gardiner=2C
> >
> > Dave discusses the point very well=2C but here are my thoughts.
> >
> > As this is an individually-built airplane=2C even if someone else teste
d their wings=2C unless you have tested yours=2C you really do not know the
g limits. When someone gets in a conventionally-built airplane that is cer
tified for spins or aerobatic maneuvers=2C you know that numerous engineers
did a lot of figuring=2C and the airplane was built with the engineering
=2C design=2C and destructive testing completed=2C as well as standardized
methods of construction. People have said the Mr. Pietenpol "over designed"
the airplane in many ways=2C but unless you have done specific testing on
your methods of construction=2C I would not even think about intentionally
doing those types of maneuvers. Well=2C at least not without a parachute. [
Wink]
> >
> > I am in the process of building my ribs=2C so I am getting ready to san
d bag test one of my ribs to destruction. I know that sand bag testing will
not really give me a complete picture of the g limits=2C it will give me s
ome comfort as to the relative strength of my ribs as well as the quality o
f my construction.
> >
> > Just my $0.02.
> >
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> > Semper Fi=2C
> >
> > Terry Hand
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> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=371141#371141
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I think spinning a Pietenpol or on that matter any of the early
homebuilts needs VERY careful consideration.
My Corben Junior is 50+ years old and with a 4130 fuselage frame should
be ok. The wings are still wood though!
When I learnt to fly in the 60's spinning was an important part of the
mid point syllabus and had to be demonstrated left and right during
flight test.
It gained an air of trepidation but in fact once mastered and
demonstrated on test felt very worthwhile.
Spinning for the sake of it.... no thanks. Knowing how to respond in
such a flight condition is worth it.
The one point to make though is that many who knew how to recover still
came to grief because when it happened for real they were often to low,
probably on that base leg section or steep climb out.
Go spin in something aerobatic!
Regards
Gerry
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| Subject: | Re: considering a piet build |
had a cub, sold it 10 years ago when lost previous flying job. actually won it
in the usaerobatic foundation raffle. flew it from oshkosh to south florida. your
gonna make me cry now.
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You're going to need some tractor weights for this pointless exercise....
Ryan
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On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 6:56 AM, jarheadpilot82
<jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>wrote:
> jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
>
> Gardiner,
>
> Dave discusses the point very well, but here are my thoughts.
>
> As this is an individually-built airplane, even if someone else tested
> their wings, unless you have tested yours, you really do not know the g
> limits. When someone gets in a conventionally-built airplane that is
> certified for spins or aerobatic maneuvers, you know that numerous
> engineers did a lot of figuring, and the airplane was built with the
> engineering, design, and destructive testing completed, as well as
> standardized methods of construction. People have said the Mr. Pietenpol
> "over designed" the airplane in many ways, but unless you have done
> specific testing on your methods of construction, I would not even think
> about intentionally doing those types of maneuvers. Well, at least not
> without a parachute. [Wink]
>
> I am in the process of building my ribs, so I am getting ready to sand bag
> test one of my ribs to destruction. I know that sand bag testing will not
> really give me a complete picture of the g limits, it will give me some
> comfort as to the relative strength of my ribs as well as the quality of my
> construction.
>
> Just my $0.02.
>
> --------
> Do Not Archive
>
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry Hand
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=371141#371141
>
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I second that.
Isn't it easier, safer, and cheaper just to keep the ball in the center?
Steve
On Apr 18, 2012, at 11:40 AM, ellery voge <elleryvoge@hotmail.com> wrote:
> If you have ever been in a spin ( any airplane) spinning a piet. would nev
er be considered.
>
> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: spins
> > From: amsafetyc@aol.com
> > Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 09:18:24 -0400
> > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> >
> >
> > Terry,
> >
> > I would be interested in seeing your data in addition to how you are tre
ating it in your overall calculations and finally your operating assumptions
based upon that data. That is if you don't mind sharing, I would appreciate
it.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > John
> >
> > Do not archive
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Apr 18, 2012, at 7:56 AM, "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.co
m> wrote:
> >
@hotmail.com>
> > >
> > > Gardiner,
> > >
> > > Dave discusses the point very well, but here are my thoughts.
> > >
> > > As this is an individually-built airplane, even if someone else tested
their wings, unless you have tested yours, you really do not know the g lim
its. When someone gets in a conventionally-built airplane that is certified f
or spins or aerobatic maneuvers, you know that numerous engineers did a lot o
f figuring, and the airplane was built with the engineering, design, and des
tructive testing completed, as well as standardized methods of construction.
People have said the Mr. Pietenpol "over designed" the airplane in many way
s, but unless you have done specific testing on your methods of construction
, I would not even think about intentionally doing those types of maneuvers.
Well, at least not without a parachute. [Wink]
> > >
> > > I am in the process of building my ribs, so I am getting ready to sand
bag test one of my ribs to destruction. I know that sand bag testing will n
ot really give me a complete picture of the g limits, it will give me some c
omfort as to the relative strength of my ribs as well as the quality of my c
onstruction.
> > >
> > > Just my $0.02.
> > >
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> > > Do Not Archive
> > >
> > > Semper Fi,
> > >
> > > Terry Hand
> > >
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just looking for maybe a link for a bunch of piet pics in one place. or maybe whoever
reads this can include their Piet pic. thanks; Paul
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The West Coast Piet. website has a ton of pictures.
For my personal in work photos, see the link below. I can send pictures of specific
part/components if interested.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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http://textors.com/PietProject.html
Jack Textor
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On Apr 18, 2012, at 11:39 AM, "nightmare" <pauldonahuepilot@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> just looking for maybe a link for a bunch of piet pics in one place. or maybe
whoever reads this can include their Piet pic. thanks; Paul
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If you wait till July you can get all the pics you want of any and every
part you want in any power configuration you want. All you need to do is go
to the Brodhead fly in. A field filled with Piets, Piet builders, wanna be
fliers and liars. A veritable morgishgoard of Piets and Piets peoples
Do not achieve this big secret
This is flying weather, I can see by the number of people here today I'm
gonna need lots of gas! Who would like a free ride?
John
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"I never give rides to kids"
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-----Original Message-----
From: AMsafetyC <AMsafetyC@aol.com>
Sent: Wed, Apr 18, 2012 12:02 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: piet pics
If you wait till July you can get all the pics you want of any and every pa
rt you want in any power configuration you want. All you need to do is go t
o the Brodhead fly in. A field filled with Piets, Piet builders, wanna be f
liers and liars. A veritable morgishgoard of Piets and Piets peoples
Do not achieve this big secret
This is flying weather, I can see by the number of people here today I'm go
nna need lots of gas! Who would like a free ride?
John
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With all due respect, I ask in the nicest possible way, PLEASE don't reply and
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http://lmgtfy.com/?q=pietenpol+pictures
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Matronics Pietenpol-List Email Forum (pietenpol-list@matronics.com)
The classic Pietenpol Air Camper forum. Discussions include everything about this
popular and classic design include building, [color=red]flying[/red} (emphasis
is mine), engine sources, plans, flyins, and just talking with others interested
in this great old design.
_________________________________
The quotation above comes from the Matronics Email Lists forum Index. So, in light
of that, Gardiner, I think that you are absolutely on topic by raising the
question of intentional spins in a Pietenpol. I don't see this as a pointless
exercise at all.
I have made flying my career for more than 30 years, so although, I have little
experience in construction and maintenance of airplanes, I do feel totally comfortable
discussing, flying, flight training, and flight safety, among other
things. It is great to fly this or any other airplane, but if you are not sensitive
to and have a knowledge and understanding of such things as specific flight
characteristics of the model of airplane being flown, aerodynamics, and more,
then you may get yourself into a situation that you can't get out of.
By way of example, that is what spin training is about, at least when I taught
spins in the military. Yes, a student was graded on their entry procedures as
well as their recovery procedures, but the exercise was designed not to teach
how to spin, or necessarily on how to recover, but, rather, how to avoid a spin
entry was the actual goal. By recognizing that, as Steve Emo put it, "Isn't
it easier, safer, and cheaper just to keep the ball in the center?", and understanding
how rapidly things can go wrong when you don't, it makes for a safer
pilot.
So, I do think a discussion of flying, and not just building, is exactly what this
Forum is about. That is why I appreciate people like Dick Navratil and others
who have experience with different weights, power plants, etc. that really
help this Forum.
Maybe that is my $0.04 worth.
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thanks jack, paul
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Terry,
I think Ryan's comment was in regards to sand bag testing a wing rib to the point
of destruction, as opposed to the discussion about spins.
There was a lively and fairly entertaining discussion about this same topic (rib
testing) a few years ago - that's where the reference to tractor weights comes
from. There may have also been an elephant involved.
The Pietenpol wing rib is a robust little structure. I don't think anyone has to
worry about the ribs failing (if properly constructed).
I'm not sure what knowledge would be gained from testing a rib to the point of
destruction.
Bill C.
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Bill,
My reason for doing some form of sandbag testing was simply to see if my construction
abilities were good enough that I would be willing to fly under a wing
for which I had built the ribs. It is not to prove the soundness of Mr. Pietenpol's
airfoil (or anyone else's for that better), but rather to prove (at least
to me) that the construction methods I used are sound. Call me a belt and suspenders
guy, but I just like to know I am doing things correctly. Someone else
may look at it differently.
If testing my construction methods by the way I described is "pointless" and there
is a better way of doing so, I would be happy to hear what that method is.
I have generally found that it is a more positive experience for all if one
can provide a better way of doing things, rather than to simply say something
is "pointless."
I am all ears if someone has a better suggestion.
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| Subject: | Re: Destructive Testing |
I'm certainly no aeronautical engineer, so I'm curious...what's an acceptable crush
weight? What's unacceptable?
Gary from Cool
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Sent: Apr 18, 2012 2:40 PM
Bill,
My reason for doing some form of sandbag testing was simply to see if my construction
abilities were good enough that I would be willing to fly under a wing
for which I had built the ribs. It is not to prove the soundness of Mr. Pietenpol's
airfoil (or anyone else's for that better), but rather to prove (at least
to me) that the construction methods I used are sound. Call me a belt and suspenders
guy, but I just like to know I am doing things correctly. Someone else
may look at it differently.
If testing my construction methods by the way I described is "pointless" and there
is a better way of doing so, I would be happy to hear what that method is.
I have generally found that it is a more positive experience for all if one
can provide a better way of doing things, rather than to simply say something
is "pointless."
I am all ears if someone has a better suggestion.
--------
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Terry Hand
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Terry,
If you just want to confirm the soundness of your construction abilities, why don't
you just glue up a simple "T" made up of 2 pieces of 1/4" x 1/2" Sitka (or
whatever wood you are building with), and gussets the same as you will use on
your ribs. Allow the glue to fully cure, and then do a destructive test on that.
Put it in a vise, and squeeze until it cracks. If the wood fails, you're
"good to go". If the glue joints fail, you have reason to be concerned, since
it's either your methods, or the adhesive that would be the reason for the glue
joint to be the cause of failure.
It's just that there's quite a bit of work involved in building an actual rib,
and then you'd have to devise some sort of apparatus to hold and support the rib,
and a method to distribute the weight, and acquire a bunch of sandbags, and
on and on... so that, in the end, you'll be able to say that your rib supported
"X" pounds (under the specific conditions that you tested it) before failing.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Cub Style Wheel Option |
What are the options to the Cub style wheels? I can find wheels but the-e
xpander-tubes and master cyls are hard to come by and the Grove conversio
n is very expensive. - I like the "balloon" look of the Cubs 10x4's, what
are my other options?=0A=0ARyan M
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| Subject: | Re: Cub Style Wheel Option |
8x4=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Ryan M <aircamperace@
yahoo.com>=0ATo: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com" <pietenpol-list@matronics.c
om> =0ASent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 6:31 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: C
ub Style Wheel Option=0A =0A=0AWhat are the options to the Cub style wheels
? I can find wheels but the-expander-tubes and master cyls are hard to
come by and the Grove conversion is very expensive. - I like the "balloon
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| Subject: | Stitch question... |
Jim,
I know you resolved this, but, you know that you are allowed to move the stitch
to avoid framing members...right?
Gary from Cool
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Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 12:38 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Stitch question...
Would it be generally accepted as "ok" to go ahead and stitch around the diagonal
in the attached? And leave the cord laying against the diagonal? This is
one of the middle ribs on the horiz stab. And it doesn't move like a cable would.
Shouldn't be any movement between the diagonal brace and the cord. So can
I get by with just running the waxed cord around it and tightening up?
There's just not much clearance in that area but I can just stich around the rib
if needed....
(Hope this makes sense....)
Jim in Pryor
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| Subject: | Re: Cub Style Wheel Option |
Has any one tried the8 x 6 carlisle turf glide experimental?=0A=0Ahttp://ww
w.desser.com/store/products/800%252d6-4-PLY-CARLISLE-TURF-GLIDE-EXPERIMENTA
L-TIRE-.html-=0A=0A=0ARyan M=0A=0A________________________________=0A Fro
m: Ryan M <aircamperace@yahoo.com>=0ATo: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com" <pi
etenpol-list@matronics.com> =0ASent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 6:31 PM=0ASu
bject: Pietenpol-List: Cub Style Wheel Option=0A =0A=0AWhat are the options
to the Cub style wheels? I can find wheels but the-expander-tubes and
master cyls are hard to come by and the Grove conversion is very expensive.
- I like the "balloon" look of the Cubs 10x4's, what are my other option
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Back to Gardiner: y'all realize he's a former Marine SPAD driver, a retired airline
pilot with ~30,000 hours, and he flies the tar out of a Cessna 140, right?
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and go back to breaking those ribs
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| Subject: | Re: Destructive Testing |
Gary,
It is my understanding that if your rib can withstand a small elephant stan
ding upon it, then that is the standard for acceptable rib crush strength.
Maybe someone here can illustrate this concept so we can all understand a l
ittle better.
Dan Helsper
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From: gboothe5 <gboothe5@comcast.net>
Sent: Wed, Apr 18, 2012 5:10 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Destructive Testing
I'm certainly no aeronautical engineer, so I'm curious...what's an acceptab
le
rush weight? What's unacceptable?
Gary from Cool
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rom: jarheadpilot82
ender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
o: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
eplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
ubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: spins
ent: Apr 18, 2012 2:40 PM
ail.com>
Bill,
My reason for doing some form of sandbag testing was simply to see if my
onstruction abilities were good enough that I would be willing to fly under
a
ing for which I had built the ribs. It is not to prove the soundness of Mr.
ietenpol's airfoil (or anyone else's for that better), but rather to prove
(at
east to me) that the construction methods I used are sound. Call me a belt
and
uspenders guy, but I just like to know I am doing things correctly. Someone
lse may look at it differently.
If testing my construction methods by the way I described is "pointless" a
nd
here is a better way of doing so, I would be happy to hear what that method
is.
have generally found that it is a more positive experience for all if one
can
rovide a better way of doing things, rather than to simply say something is
pointless."
I am all ears if someone has a better suggestion.
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Terry Hand
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| Subject: | adhesive question |
I connected the cables to the rudder and elevators and all works good. I
cut leather pieces to cover the openings in the fabric where the cables
exit and now what adhesive is best for this attachment.Thanks for any
information. Bob
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Thanks for the reply Terry. The last time I was in a spin was in an SNJ in
pensacola, I would really like to know if ANYONE has been in a spin in a piet.
I
don't intend to try it but would like to know how it handled. Where do you live
Terry?. I am in Buckhead.
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Sent: Wed, April 18, 2012 4:47:10 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: spins
<jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
Matronics Pietenpol-List Email Forum (pietenpol-list@matronics.com)
The classic Pietenpol Air Camper forum. Discussions include everything about
this popular and classic design include building, [color=red]flying[/red}
(emphasis is mine), engine sources, plans, flyins, and just talking with others
interested in this great old design.
_________________________________
The quotation above comes from the Matronics Email Lists forum Index. So, in
light of that, Gardiner, I think that you are absolutely on topic by raising the
question of intentional spins in a Pietenpol. I don't see this as a pointless
exercise at all.
I have made flying my career for more than 30 years, so although, I have little
experience in construction and maintenance of airplanes, I do feel totally
comfortable discussing, flying, flight training, and flight safety, among other
things. It is great to fly this or any other airplane, but if you are not
sensitive to and have a knowledge and understanding of such things as specific
flight characteristics of the model of airplane being flown, aerodynamics, and
more, then you may get yourself into a situation that you can't get out of.
By way of example, that is what spin training is about, at least when I taught
spins in the military. Yes, a student was graded on their entry procedures as
well as their recovery procedures, but the exercise was designed not to teach
how to spin, or necessarily on how to recover, but, rather, how to avoid a spin
entry was the actual goal. By recognizing that, as Steve Emo put it, "Isn't it
easier, safer, and cheaper just to keep the ball in the center?", and
understanding how rapidly things can go wrong when you don't, it makes for a
safer pilot.
So, I do think a discussion of flying, and not just building, is exactly what
this Forum is about. That is why I appreciate people like Dick Navratil and
others who have experience with different weights, power plants, etc. that
really help this Forum.
Maybe that is my $0.04 worth.
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Terry Hand
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Kevin, you are too much. You know that I have a Tshirt that says THE OLDER I
GET,THE BETTER I USED TO FLY. HE HE. Cheers, Gardiner
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Sent: Wed, April 18, 2012 7:05:57 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: spins
Back to Gardiner: y'all realize he's a former Marine SPAD driver, a retired
airline pilot with ~30,000 hours, and he flies the tar out of a Cessna 140,
right?
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Barge cement in a tube from Ace hardware
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From: Bob edson <robertse@centurytel.net>
Sent: Wed, April 18, 2012 7:18:06 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: adhesive question
I connected the cables to the rudder and elevators and all works good. I cut
leather pieces to cover the openings in the fabric where the cables exit and
now what adhesive is best for this attachment.Thanks for any information.
Bob
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I used PolyTak. I used the Poly Fiber system fro my fabric work and PolyTak
is their standard fabric adheasive.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob edson
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 7:18 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: adhesive question
I connected the cables to the rudder and elevators and all works good. I cut
leather pieces to cover the openings in the fabric where the cables exit and
now what adhesive is best for this attachment.Thanks for any information.
Bob
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To All-
Kevin, I am very aware of Gardiner's background. Actually, he and I have worn the
same uniform twice, although I would never consider myself to be in his league.
He flew Spads, for cryin' out loud! I have a great deal of respect for Gardiner,
let there be no doubt.
Actually, you and I have a little in common. I keep looking for the collective
that never seems to be there (I flew UH-1N's on active duty and the reserves for
about 8 years).
Bill, thanks for the alternative suggestion for testing. I may do it that way.
But thanks, again, for your thoughts on the subject.
Gardiner, I am in Athens but come to Buckhead a lot as my Mother-in-law lives on
Peachtree Street. Send me an email off-line with your phone number and I would
be proud to buy you an adult beverage some time when I come over. I do plan
on going to Triple Tree this year, by the way.
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"it will give me some comfort as to the relative strength of my ribs as
well as the quality of my construction."
This is true, it will give you an idea of strength of the ribs....relative
to hanging sandbags on them. Well, ok, if that gives you comfort, fine. You
just now have to figure out the conversion between the weight of a given
amount of sand versus the loads imposed on a rib in flight. Or you could
just build them as the plans show and trust in 80+ years of empirical
evidence.
Insofar as the quality of your construction, there's really no need to go
to the trouble of constructing and destroying a whole rib to do that. Take
some scrap wood, glue it up and let it set, then try to break the joint. If
the wood breaks before the joint does, then you have glued a successful
joint....
Either way....have fun!
Ryan
On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 4:40 PM, jarheadpilot82
<jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>wrote:
> jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
>
> Bill,
>
> My reason for doing some form of sandbag testing was simply to see if my
> construction abilities were good enough that I would be willing to fly
> under a wing for which I had built the ribs. It is not to prove the
> soundness of Mr. Pietenpol's airfoil (or anyone else's for that better),
> but rather to prove (at least to me) that the construction methods I used
> are sound. Call me a belt and suspenders guy, but I just like to know I am
> doing things correctly. Someone else may look at it differently.
>
> If testing my construction methods by the way I described is "pointless"
> and there is a better way of doing so, I would be happy to hear what that
> method is. I have generally found that it is a more positive experience for
> all if one can provide a better way of doing things, rather than to simply
> say something is "pointless."
>
> I am all ears if someone has a better suggestion.
>
> --------
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>
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry Hand
>
>
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>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=371203#371203
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Since I am rebuilding my piet after the tornado damage do I have to get another
FAA inspection? Gardiner
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I like it! :D
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I like it, i think it looks awesome! :D
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| Subject: | Stitch question... |
Yeah, I figure if I can maintain minimum spacing I can probably move the stitches.
Got it resolved thanks.
That stitch has been smoothed over and 20 more made! :-)
This evening my oldest son and my youngest son sat with me on the couch taking
turns rib stitching. The oldest is an A&P at American Airlines and hadn't done
a rib stitch in 15 or so years....so Ben (the 12 year old) helped him. It was
one of my best Pietenpol experiences yet (and to think this project ALMOST
ended up disappering from my shop a couple years ago!)....
JM
-----Original Message-----
>From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net>
>Sent: Apr 18, 2012 5:48 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Stitch question...
>
>
>Jim,
>
>I know you resolved this, but, you know that you are allowed to move the stitch
to avoid framing members...right?
>
>Gary from Cool
>NX308MB
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Markle
>Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 12:38 PM
>To: Pietenpol List
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Stitch question...
>
>Would it be generally accepted as "ok" to go ahead and stitch around the diagonal
in the attached? And leave the cord laying against the diagonal? This is
one of the middle ribs on the horiz stab. And it doesn't move like a cable would.
Shouldn't be any movement between the diagonal brace and the cord. So
can I get by with just running the waxed cord around it and tightening up?
>
>There's just not much clearance in that area but I can just stich around the rib
if needed....
>
>(Hope this makes sense....)
>
>Jim in Pryor
>
>
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Ryan,
Thanks for the advice. I really appreciate it. It makes sense what you are saying
about just testing a sample joint. Good point.
Thanks again.
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Terry Hand
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Glad you came to your senses Jim!
Jack Textor
DSM
NX1929T
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Markle
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 7:13 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Stitch question...
Yeah, I figure if I can maintain minimum spacing I can probably move the
stitches. Got it resolved thanks.
That stitch has been smoothed over and 20 more made! :-)
This evening my oldest son and my youngest son sat with me on the couch
taking turns rib stitching. The oldest is an A&P at American Airlines and
hadn't done a rib stitch in 15 or so years....so Ben (the 12 year old)
helped him. It was one of my best Pietenpol experiences yet (and to think
this project ALMOST ended up disappering from my shop a couple years
ago!)....
JM
-----Original Message-----
>From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net>
>Sent: Apr 18, 2012 5:48 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Stitch question...
>
>
>Jim,
>
>I know you resolved this, but, you know that you are allowed to move the
stitch to avoid framing members...right?
>
>Gary from Cool
>NX308MB
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Markle
>Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 12:38 PM
>To: Pietenpol List
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Stitch question...
>
>Would it be generally accepted as "ok" to go ahead and stitch around the
diagonal in the attached? And leave the cord laying against the diagonal?
This is one of the middle ribs on the horiz stab. And it doesn't move like
a cable would. Shouldn't be any movement between the diagonal brace and the
cord. So can I get by with just running the waxed cord around it and
tightening up?
>
>There's just not much clearance in that area but I can just stich around
the rib if needed....
>
>(Hope this makes sense....)
>
>Jim in Pryor
>
>
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Dan,
It depends on whether or not you have soaked it in a bathtub or lit it on
fire yet....
Ryan
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On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 6:16 PM, <helspersew@aol.com> wrote:
> Gary,
>
> It is my understanding that if your rib can withstand a small elephant
> standing upon it, then that is the standard for acceptable rib crush
> strength. Maybe someone here can illustrate this concept so we can all
> understand a little better.
>
> Dan Helsper
>
> do not archive
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gboothe5 <gboothe5@comcast.net>
> To: pietenpol-list <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wed, Apr 18, 2012 5:10 pm
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Destructive Testing
>
>
> I'm certainly no aeronautical engineer, so I'm curious...what's an accept
able
> crush weight? What's unacceptable?
>
> Gary from Cool
> Do not archive
> ------Original Message------
> From: jarheadpilot82
> Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: spins
> Sent: Apr 18, 2012 2:40 PM
>
tmail.com>
>
> Bill,
>
> My reason for doing some form of sandbag testing was simply to see if my
> construction abilities were good enough that I would be willing to fly un
der a
> wing for which I had built the ribs. It is not to prove the soundness of
Mr.
> Pietenpol's airfoil (or anyone else's for that better), but rather to pro
ve (at
> least to me) that the construction methods I used are sound. Call me a be
lt and
> suspenders guy, but I just like to know I am doing things correctly. Some
one
> else may look at it differently.
>
> If testing my construction methods by the way I described is "pointless"
and
> there is a better way of doing so, I would be happy to hear what that met
hod is.
> I have generally found that it is a more positive experience for all if o
ne can
> provide a better way of doing things, rather than to simply say something
is
> "pointless."
>
> I am all ears if someone has a better suggestion.
>
> --------
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>
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry Hand
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=371203#371203
>
>
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Ask and ye shall receive...
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>
> It is my understanding that if your rib can withstand a small elephant standing
upon it, then that is the standard for acceptable rib crush strength. Maybe
someone here can illustrate this concept so we can all understand a little better.
>
> Dan Helsper
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The beachball allows even application of the weight along the capstrip......
Michael P, do you have a hint video for this process yet?
Ryan
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On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 7:52 PM, Bill Church <billspiet@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> billspiet@sympatico.ca>
>
> Ask and ye shall receive...
>
>
> do not archive
>
>
> >
> > It is my understanding that if your rib can withstand a small elephant
> standing upon it, then that is the standard for acceptable rib crush
> strength. Maybe someone here can illustrate this concept so we can all
> understand a little better.
> >
> > Dan Helsper
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=371229#371229
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Gardiner,
Getting back to your original question... The answer is YES, someone (not me) has
spun a Pietenpol. I recall reading a story in Chet Peek's book "The Pietenpol
Story" about a flight that BHP took, that was very nearly his last. As I
recall, BHP was in the front seat, and a larger gentleman was in the pilot's seat,
and the guy wanted to see how the plane would spin, so BHP threw it into
a spin, but found that the extra weight in the rear wouldn't allow him to exit
the spin. The stick travel was limited by hitting the panel, and BHP eventually
ended up forcing the stick far to one side to get under the panel, in order
to get the additional forward travel, and managed to exit the spin, just in
the nick of time.
If I have the time, I'll see if I can find the story.
While it isn't recommended, from what I've read, I believe that spinning and looping
occurred fairly frequently in the "old days". But then, so did crashes.
Bill C.
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Thanks Bill, A while back I visited Pat Green in Hilliard Fl, and he said that
he let his friend take his Piet up for some acro. He got into a spin at about
4500 ft and did not get out of it untill 700 ft. It seems that his friend was
very tall and his upper body blocked all airflow to the rudder. Pat then
redesigned his rudder and added 10 inches to the height. I think he is still
flying his Piet which he built about 30 years ago. He also added more wingspan
to get over the pine trees at his field. He is a very nice man to talk to but I
don't know his phone. Talk to him. Gardiner Mason
----- Original Message ----
From: Bill Church <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
Sent: Wed, April 18, 2012 9:16:13 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: spins
Gardiner,
Getting back to your original question... The answer is YES, someone (not me)
has spun a Pietenpol. I recall reading a story in Chet Peek's book "The
Pietenpol Story" about a flight that BHP took, that was very nearly his last.
As I recall, BHP was in the front seat, and a larger gentleman was in the
pilot's seat, and the guy wanted to see how the plane would spin, so BHP threw
it into a spin, but found that the extra weight in the rear wouldn't allow him
to exit the spin. The stick travel was limited by hitting the panel, and BHP
eventually ended up forcing the stick far to one side to get under the panel, in
order to get the additional forward travel, and managed to exit the spin, just
in the nick of time.
If I have the time, I'll see if I can find the story.
While it isn't recommended, from what I've read, I believe that spinning and
looping occurred fairly frequently in the "old days". But then, so did crashes.
Bill C.
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Terry, call me any time. My atlanta phone is 404 367 9453, and my cell is 706
594 3811. If you need a place to stay we have it. We are in memorial park just
west of Northside Dr. Gardiner
----- Original Message ----
From: jarheadpilot82 <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
Sent: Wed, April 18, 2012 7:53:35 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: spins
<jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
To All-
Kevin, I am very aware of Gardiner's background. Actually, he and I have worn
the same uniform twice, although I would never consider myself to be in his
league. He flew Spads, for cryin' out loud! I have a great deal of respect for
Gardiner, let there be no doubt.
Actually, you and I have a little in common. I keep looking for the collective
that never seems to be there (I flew UH-1N's on active duty and the reserves for
about 8 years).
Bill, thanks for the alternative suggestion for testing. I may do it that way.
But thanks, again, for your thoughts on the subject.
Gardiner, I am in Athens but come to Buckhead a lot as my Mother-in-law lives on
Peachtree Street. Send me an email off-line with your phone number and I would
be proud to buy you an adult beverage some time when I come over. I do plan on
going to Triple Tree this year, by the way.
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Terry Hand
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Thanks guys, got the peace of mind I was looking for!
- Kyle
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Airspeed, altitude or brains: Two are always needed to successfully complete the
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No, not unless you make substantial changes (different engine, different
prop, etc.).
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 7:56 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Don't know
Since I am rebuilding my piet after the tornado damage do I have to get
another
FAA inspection? Gardiner
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See, now that's what I love about this group! A very practical, responsible answer.
If this were the "V-Tail Bonanza Group" or the "Mooney Owners Association"
list, you'd be getting post after post about which FAA, NTSB, EAA, AOPA, GSA,
TSA, or FCC form or license or fee you should be dealing with.
You bend your Piet, you fix it. When it's fixed, you dust yourself off and you
go fly it again. This is why we love these old airplanes! Ask me how I know
;o)
PS- Gardiner, that little truck you babysat for me brought me 2500 miles from TX
to OR towing a UHaul trailer in the heat of summer and mostly in 3rd gear, and
it never missed a beat. Temp gauge never moved off the peg. Thanks again
to you and Susan for treating me and my little Ranger like family, and I hope
to do the same for you some day. Oh, and I'll buy you coffee and a piece of Georgia
peach pie.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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Well, for what it's worth mine is here;
http://www.clifdawson.ca/Homepage4-10-06/Pietenpol.html
If that doesn't work;
http://www.clifdawson.ca/
Clif
A mile of road will take you a mile, but a mile
of runway will take you anywhere
> just looking for maybe a link for a bunch of piet pics in one place. or
> maybe whoever reads this can include their Piet pic. thanks; Paul
>
>
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