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1. 04:27 AM - Re: Don't know (DaveG601XL)
2. 04:28 AM - post-rebuild inspection and adhesive question (Douwe Blumberg)
3. 05:33 AM - Re: spins (Bill Church)
4. 06:06 AM - put your cards on the table Gents and Ladies! (Douwe Blumberg)
5. 06:29 AM - Re: put your cards on the table Gents and Ladies! (899PM)
6. 06:44 AM - Re: post-rebuild inspection and adhesive question (tools)
7. 06:48 AM - Re: put your cards on the table Gents and Ladies! (TOM STINEMETZE)
8. 06:48 AM - Re: Re: put your cards on the table Gents and Ladies! (Gerry Holland)
9. 07:00 AM - calling for a Rick Holland update---come in Rick....do you read (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP])
10. 07:07 AM - Re: put your cards on the table Gents and Ladies! (bender)
11. 07:23 AM - Re: put your cards on the table Gents and Ladies! (Mark Stanley)
12. 08:27 AM - Rare photo of original Pietenpol rib test found (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP])
13. 08:28 AM - Re: put your cards on the table Gents and Ladies! (Gary Boothe)
14. 08:45 AM - Re: put your cards on the table Gents and Ladies! (l.morlock)
15. 08:46 AM - Re: Destructive Testing (899PM)
16. 08:58 AM - Re: put your cards on the table Gents and Ladies! (Michael Groah)
17. 09:08 AM - Re: Re: Destructive Testing (Gary Boothe)
18. 09:23 AM - Re: put your cards on the table Gents and Ladies! (Andrew Eldredge)
19. 09:33 AM - back to wood basics with Tony Bingelis (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP])
20. 09:43 AM - Re: back to wood basics with Tony Bingelis (John Hofmann)
21. 09:49 AM - Re: put your cards on the table Gents and Ladies! (airlion)
22. 10:05 AM - Re: put your cards on the table Gents and Ladies! (Kyle85)
23. 10:52 AM - Re: put your cards on the table Gents and Ladies! (K5YAC)
24. 11:06 AM - Re: put your cards on the table Gents and Ladies! (Michael Perez)
25. 11:10 AM - Re: Destructive Testing (899PM)
26. 11:26 AM - Re: put your cards on the table Gents and Ladies! (tools)
27. 12:06 PM - Re: put your cards on the table Gents and Ladies! (aerocarjake)
28. 12:14 PM - Wood Available (dgaldrich)
29. 02:01 PM - Re: put your cards on the table Gents and Ladies! (Bill Church)
30. 02:41 PM - Re: Destructive Testing (womenfly2)
31. 03:51 PM - Pietenpol list Re: Put your cards on the table (macz@peak.org)
32. 06:39 PM - EAA Meet (Kringle)
33. 07:26 PM - Re: EAA Meet (Gary Boothe)
34. 08:38 PM - Re: put your cards on the table Gents and Ladies! (Clif Dawson)
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I asked this same question to my FSDO Inspector a few years ago. He said to use
the paragraph in my flight limitations that deals with major changes as a guideline
for returning to flight. He said it was not necessary to contact him,
but recommended that you essentially place yourself back into "phase I" and fly
off 5 hours in your flight test area and afterwards write the same statement
in the logbook that you wrote after your initial Phase I was complete "I certify
that the prescribed flight test hours have been completed and the aircraft
is controllable throughout its normal range of.... yada yada yada."
Straight from the horses mouth.
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David Gallagher
Zodiac 601 XL-B: flying, 200+ hours now
Next project under construction: Aircamper
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| Subject: | post-rebuild inspection and adhesive question |
Gardiner,
My FAA guy told me I did not have to do another inspection after my rebuild,
EVEN with a new engine, he said just log what I did. You should be fine to
go fly.
On the adhesive question for leather, I love that yellow weatherstrip
adhesive glue you can guy at auto parts stores. Permetax and 3M make them
and they stick like gangbusters and stay flexible over time.
Douwe
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Okay, I found the story in Chet Peek's great book "The Pietenpol Story", which
can be ordered from Chet here:
http://www.threepeakspub.com/
or you can also get it from Aircraft Spruce:
http://www.aircraftspruce.ca/catalog/bvpages/pietenpolStory.php
Scary stuff.
"Golly", indeed.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | put your cards on the table Gents and Ladies! |
Here's an idea,
With so many of us sharing, I realized that I'm unfamiliar with what most
people are building (IF they're building.) so.
How 'bout we all send in what we're building (Pietenpol, I know) like what
engine, gear, wood or steel fuse, long or short fuse, how long into it and
maybe how long to go? and additions/changes of note that we might find
interesting and colors would be fun if you're not too secretive about such
vital information.
I'll start.
Short fuselage
Continental C-90 with starter
Two piece wing
Wood struts
Bumped up "tiger moth" type center section tank
"Jenny" gear
"faux" doped/aged translucent linen finish with a beautiful "baby poop"
green trim and "Re-PIET" huge across the wing and down each fuse side.
Aiming to be done in two or three months.
Marvel Mystery Oil in fuel, pre-mixed-sloshed, pre-warmed and perfumed!
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: put your cards on the table Gents and Ladies! |
Started in 1997 with plans purchase from Don Pietenpol.
Sold in divorce at "on the gear" stage.
Purchased back by V2.0 wife for wedding gift.
Short fuse all Sitka
Western red cedar ribs. Stock airfoil.
Offset "flop" for entry.
lengthened cabanes 2".
26" wide 27" deep in rear pit lofted to "print"at tailpost and firewall.
Model A(60hp)
Sensenich 76-42 wood prop.
3-pc wing(33 1/2' span)
aluminum fuel tank in center section
split gear
21" wheels with Faux "Bendix" style wheel covers.
aluminum struts(to be wrapped and doped)
Ceconite and dope finish.
Wings finished and ready for pre-cover assembly this month.
Goal to have in the air before Christmas.
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PAPA MIKE
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| Subject: | Re: post-rebuild inspection and adhesive question |
Hey Douwe,
Quick question about new engine. New type of engine, or same type, but new?
Tools
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| Subject: | Re: put your cards on the table Gents and Ladies! |
Good idea Douwe, here's mine:
Long fuselage (spruce)
3-piece wing with fiberglass center section fuel tank (oh the horror)
cub style gear with 19" motorcycle wheels on Ken Perkins hub and die
spring shock struts
Corvair power (100 HP "Airvair") with lots of WW parts and 5th bearing
RAC electric elevator trim (WHAT! How does this guy get off calling
that a Pietenpol)
Ken Perkins steerable tail wheel assembly
Turtledeck and upper formers stretched 1" per Mike Cuy
Cabanes stretched 2 inches per LOTS of suggestions
X-Com radio mounted in panel (the handheld stock prices just crashed)
Reserved N328X in honor of SpaceShipOne (N328KF)
To be named SpaceShip0.1 ( No boring "all about my kids" stories at
this time - Thank You!)
Uncovered fuselage & tail group ready for firewall forward
Complete engine in parts boxes awaiting assembly
All wing parts ready and awaiting assembly
Estimated completion - 2 years - faster if I get fired first or win the
lottery.
Tom Stinemetze
McPherson, KS. (4-19-12)
>>> "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.net> 4/19/2012 8:14 AM
>>>
Heres an idea,
With so many of us sharing, I realized that Im unfamiliar with what
most people are building (IF theyre building) so
How bout we all send in what were building (Pietenpol, I know)
like what engine, gear, wood or steel fuse, long or short fuse, how long
into it and maybe how long to go? and additions/changes of note that we
might find interesting and colors would be fun if youre not too
secretive about such vital information.
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| Subject: | Re: put your cards on the table Gents and Ladies! |
V2.0 Wife seems a good un!
Started in 1997 with plans purchase from Don Pietenpol.
Sold in divorce at "on the gear" stage.
Purchased back by V2.0 wife for wedding gift.
Regards
Gerry
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| Subject: | calling for a Rick Holland update---come in Rick....do |
you read
Haven't heard any updates from Colorado Rick Holland lately. Last we knew
he test ran his Corvair and was well along in the covering process.
Rick--if you're out there on the list we would love to hear how things are
going for you and your project.
Mike C.
do not archive
(busy with wife V3.0 interviewing process)
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| Subject: | Re: put your cards on the table Gents and Ladies! |
1932 F&G manual
wood gear
A engine
21" HD spoke wheels
wings and horizontal creamy tan
fuselage green so dark that it looks black
chainsaw built prop....thanks for the info Dan
jeff faith
NX1929F
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| Subject: | Re: put your cards on the table Gents and Ladies! |
Hi Douwe,
That sounds like a good idea.
So to encourage anyone who=99s building, like mine, is
=98rather slow=99, I will be the first of the
=98slowbies=99 to post my, errr =98progress.
Started: 2004
Plans form Don Pietenpol
Wing ribs all done =93 made from douglas fir
Fin & rudder woodwork done =93 mixed douglas fir and spruce
Stabilizer & elevators started
Hinges for both (abaove) from Vi Kapler
Hope to finish and fly sometime before I kick the bucket
Mark Stanley
Japan
From: Douwe Blumberg
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 10:14 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: put your cards on the table Gents and Ladies!
Here=99s an idea,
With so many of us sharing, I realized that I=99m unfamiliar with
what most people are building (IF they=99re building)
so
How =98bout we all send in what we=99re building (Pietenpol,
I know) like what engine, gear, wood or steel fuse, long or short fuse,
how long into it and maybe how long to go? and additions/changes of note
that we might find interesting and colors would be fun if you=99re
not too secretive about such vital information.
I=99ll start.
Short fuselage
Continental C-90 with starter
Two piece wing
Wood struts
Bumped up =9Ctiger moth=9D type center section tank
=9CJenny=9D gear
=9Cfaux=9D doped/aged translucent linen finish with a
beautiful =9Cbaby poop=9D green trim and
=9CRe-PIET=9D huge across the wing and down each fuse side.
Aiming to be done in two or three months.
Marvel Mystery Oil in fuel, pre-mixed-sloshed, pre-warmed and perfumed!
Douwe
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| Subject: | Rare photo of original Pietenpol rib test found |
Bernard's Cousins on family farm in Cherry Grove, MN watch as rib passes di
fficult
test.
Please do not archive
Mike C.
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| Subject: | put your cards on the table Gents and Ladies! |
1937 Pietenpol Aircamper, NX308MB
Started March of '08
Will probably fly this summer
Long Fuselage - 3 pc wing
Turtle decks raised 1.5", but cabanes held to plans
Corvair
Mostly Poplar
Wood gear w/21" Harley Sportster wheels and tires, barely functional go-cart
brakes
ALL Hickory struts
"Tiger Moth" 16 gallon fuel tank
Latex paint
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe
Blumberg
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 6:14 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: put your cards on the table Gents and Ladies!
Here's an idea,
With so many of us sharing, I realized that I'm unfamiliar with what most
people are building (IF they're building.) so.
How 'bout we all send in what we're building (Pietenpol, I know) like what
engine, gear, wood or steel fuse, long or short fuse, how long into it and
maybe how long to go? and additions/changes of note that we might find
interesting and colors would be fun if you're not too secretive about such
vital information.
I'll start.
Short fuselage
Continental C-90 with starter
Two piece wing
Wood struts
Bumped up "tiger moth" type center section tank
"Jenny" gear
"faux" doped/aged translucent linen finish with a beautiful "baby poop"
green trim and "Re-PIET" huge across the wing and down each fuse side.
Aiming to be done in two or three months.
Marvel Mystery Oil in fuel, pre-mixed-sloshed, pre-warmed and perfumed!
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: put your cards on the table Gents and Ladies! |
Started in 1993 with a "project" plane - fuselage and wing only
One-piece wing
Douwe's "old" Model A engine
76 x 44 Hegy wood prop
External aileron cables
Jenny gear
18" spoke wheels
Everything all assembled, covered, painted, except:
90% done, 90% to go
Larry Morlock
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| Subject: | Re: Destructive Testing |
When I first started building, I was intrigued with Charlie Rubeck's Western Red
Cedar ribs. At Brodhead '98 Charlie convinced me to build one and test it. I
built a test fixture utilizing engineering grade compression springs of known
rate. I pulled the loading spacing out of an old NACA document. I still have
the fixture. If memory serves, I tested a single WRC rib mounted on stub spars
to 267 pounds before I heard a crack somewhere. Never did find the crack. I can
load a rib in the fixture and take a pic if anyone is interested?
If in doubt about the strength of the Piet ribs, start looking at some of the ribs
that certified aircraft have used in the past. I have a Porterfield CP-65
rib that is under 1/4" square stock. It scares me to just look at it.
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PAPA MIKE
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| Subject: | Re: put your cards on the table Gents and Ladies! |
Ok... here goes...
Pietenpol build by myself, Mike Groah and my dad Vic Groah
Long spruce fuselage with Keri Ann door mod.
Three piece wing
Turtle deck and panels raised one inch
wing raised one inch
Straight axle gear-wire wheels-mechanical drum brakes
Aluminum Fuselage tank
Center section wing storage like Mike Cuy's
Corvair powered- Culver 66-30 prop
Fuselage covered and painted a dark green(polyfiber)
horizontal and wings are cream (one wing and ailerons still need their paint)
Panel crowded with what most would say is too much stuff.
(Garmin Aera and XCOM radio mounted in the panel)
Smoke system (tank in wing center compartment)
need to finish painting the wings and get a hangar to keep this thing in.
Hope to fly this summer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5hYe_RYzkM&context=C3db22b9ADOEgsToPDskKC6YORoerna4k_SGQfI1lU
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| Subject: | Re: Destructive Testing |
My concern is that this type of conversation will lead to improper test
methods, and useless info. Imagine if a number of NEW builders decided that
there must be some concern about rib strength, just because of these posts,
that causes them to start sand bagging their ribs. Suddenly, numbers start
coming in....the normal reaction is going to be that, if my rib crushes at a
lesser weight than yours, then mine must be substandard; a completely
incorrect conclusion since the testing methods must be correct - and there
are proper testing methods.
Not speaking to you, directly, Mike, but to everyone else: Forget about
testing the rib design! YOU DON'T KNOW HOW! Just follow the previous good
practices, as stated by Ryan M, and others, and test your first glue joints
(if you have never worked with wood before), and trust empirical evidence.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of 899PM
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 8:45 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Destructive Testing
--> <rockriverrifle@hotmail.com>
When I first started building, I was intrigued with Charlie Rubeck's Western
Red Cedar ribs. At Brodhead '98 Charlie convinced me to build one and test
it. I built a test fixture utilizing engineering grade compression springs
of known rate. I pulled the loading spacing out of an old NACA document. I
still have the fixture. If memory serves, I tested a single WRC rib mounted
on stub spars to 267 pounds before I heard a crack somewhere. Never did find
the crack. I can load a rib in the fixture and take a pic if anyone is
interested?
If in doubt about the strength of the Piet ribs, start looking at some of
the ribs that certified aircraft have used in the past. I have a Porterfield
CP-65 rib that is under 1/4" square stock. It scares me to just look at it.
--------
PAPA MIKE
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| Subject: | Re: put your cards on the table Gents and Ladies! |
NX7229R
Continental A-65
6" exension on Fuselage, Douglas Fir Construction
3pc Wing (Center section wider, 1 extray bay each side, Correspondingly
Shorter Wings)
Split Axle Gear, Matco Wheels and brakes w/ turf-glide lawn tractor tires.
(turf-glide sounds cool, though)
Latex Paint, complete with runs.
About 300hrs TTAF, originally flew Nov. 1997
About to come out of Repairs, I'm spam-canning this weekend Or I'd be
taking it to the airport this Saturday
Andrew Eldredge
On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 9:26 AM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
> 1937 Pietenpol Aircamper, NX308MB****
>
> Started March of =9108****
>
> Will probably fly this summer****
>
> ** **
>
> Long Fuselage ' 3 pc wing****
>
> Turtle decks raised 1.5=94, but cabanes held to plans****
>
> Corvair****
>
> Mostly Poplar****
>
> Wood gear w/21=94 Harley Sportster wheels and tires, barely functional
> go-cart brakes****
>
> ALL Hickory struts****
>
> =93Tiger Moth=94 16 gallon fuel tank****
>
> Latex paint****
>
> ****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> Gary Boothe****
>
> NX308MB****
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Douwe Blumberg
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 19, 2012 6:14 AM
>
> *To:* pietenpolgroup
> *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: put your cards on the table Gents and Ladies!*
*
> **
>
> ** **
>
> Here=92s an idea,****
>
> ** **
>
> With so many of us sharing, I realized that I=92m unfamiliar with what mo
st
> people are building (IF they=92re building=85) so=85****
>
> ** **
>
> How =91bout we all send in what we=92re building (Pietenpol, I know) like
what
> engine, gear, wood or steel fuse, long or short fuse, how long into it an
d
> maybe how long to go? and additions/changes of note that we might find
> interesting and colors would be fun if you=92re not too secretive about s
uch
> vital information.****
>
> ** **
>
> I=92ll start.****
>
> ** **
>
> *Short fuselage*
>
> *Continental C-90 with starter*
>
> *Two piece wing*
>
> *Wood struts*
>
> *Bumped up =93tiger moth=94 type center section tank*
>
> *=93Jenny=94 gear*
>
> *=93faux=94 doped/aged translucent linen finish with a beautiful =93baby
poop=94
> green trim and =93Re-PIET=94 huge across the wing and down each fuse side
.*
>
> *Aiming to be done in two or three months.*
>
> *Marvel Mystery Oil in fuel, pre-mixed-sloshed, pre-warmed and perfumed!*
>
> ** **
>
> Douwe****
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> *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List*
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Andrew Eldredge
Provo, UT
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| Subject: | back to wood basics with Tony Bingelis |
http://members.eaa.org/home/homebuilders/building/wood/4Aircraft%20Woodwork
%20Basics.html
What a great, simple, easy to understand article WITH sketches! Great To
ny B's sketches. Scroll down
to learn a lot in just a few photos. It's pretty entertaining watching p
eople try dancing on the heads of
pins when building an airplane like the Pietenpol.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: back to wood basics with Tony Bingelis |
Me thinks Mikee gets royalties for every Tony B. book sold.
"Anyone can supply accuracy. Artists supply truth."
do not archive
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2424 American Lane
Madison, WI 53704
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
On Apr 19, 2012, at 11:32 AM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE
CORP] wrote:
>
http://members.eaa.org/home/homebuilders/building/wood/4Aircraft%20Woodwor
k%20Basics.html
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> What a great, simple, easy to understand article WITH sketches!
Great Tony B=92s sketches. Scroll down
> to learn a lot in just a few photos. It=92s pretty entertaining
watching people try dancing on the heads of
> pins when building an airplane like the Pietenpol.
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> Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: put your cards on the table Gents and Ladies! |
I will add to that-.LONG FUSE
CORVAIR ENGINE, TWO PIECE WING WITH 36in wide CENTER SECTION. SPLIT AXLE GE
AR, BRUSHED ON LATEX, POWDER BLUE WITH BURNT ORANGE TRIM. Should be flying
in 3 months with NEW TAIL FEATHERS, TWO NEW WINGS, REPAIR TO THE COWLING,LA
NDING GEAR,AND TAIL CONE. MY PLANE HAD 70 HOURS ON it PLUS 10 seconds in th
e tornado. How about adding an=C2- address to the list in case of travel
to that area. Gardiner Mason, 840 Woodley Dr. Atlanta Ga. 30318=C2- Ph 40
4 367 9453
--- On Thu, 4/19/12, Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg@earthlink.net> wrote:
From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: put your cards on the table Gents and Ladies!
=0A=0A=0A =0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AHere=99s an idea, =0A
=0A =C2- =0A=0AWith so many of us sharing, I realized that I=99m un
familiar=0Awith what most people are building (IF they=99re building
) so =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0AHow =98bout we all send in
what we=99re building=0A(Pietenpol, I know) like what engine, gear,
wood or steel fuse, long or short=0Afuse, how long into it and maybe how lo
ng to go? and additions/changes of note=0Athat we might find interesting an
d colors would be fun if you=99re not too=0Asecretive about such vita
l information. =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0AI=99ll start. =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0A
Short fuselage =0A=0AContinental C-90 with starter =0A=0ATwo piece wing =0A
=0AWood struts =0A=0ABumped up =9Ctiger moth=9D type=0Acenter s
ection tank =0A=0A=9CJenny=9D gear =0A=0A=9Cfaux=9D
doped/aged translucent=0Alinen finish with a beautiful =9Cbaby poop
=9D green trim and =9CRe-PIET=9D=0Ahuge across the wing a
nd down each fuse side. =0A=0AAiming to be done in two or three months. =0A
=0AMarvel Mystery Oil in fuel,=0Apre-mixed-sloshed, pre-warmed and perfumed
! =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0ADouwe =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: put your cards on the table Gents and Ladies! |
Bought original plans in 2008 while I was in Iraq to drool over.
Started making parts in 2011. Prospective airplane:
Poplar wing ribs
Douglas fir everything else.
Fuel tank up front, storage up top.
Gear tbd
Engine cont. A65
Long fuse
+2 on cabanes
Going toTry my hand at making a prop via homemade duplicator
Dacron med. weight. Stuart system covering.
Ribs done. Center section done (minus install)
Fittings started. Tail group jigs and beam sections done. All wood bought rough
and milled in my shop. Fuse wood gathered. And other misc. parts (seems like
I should be further along now that a write it down, bummer)
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Airspeed, altitude or brains: Two are always needed to successfully complete the
flight.
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| Subject: | Re: put your cards on the table Gents and Ladies! |
Purchased plans in Feb 2009...
Long fuse
3-piece wing
Split gear
21" wire wheels - just got these back from Buchanan's yesterday! Tee Hee!
Mighty Corvair power
Everything is spruce except where otherwise called for.
Planning for fuel up front, storage up top.
+2 on cabanes
Black and Yellow latex... LOL!
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear
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| Subject: | Re: put your cards on the table Gents and Ladies! |
"...put your cards on the table Gents and Ladies!"
(Poker face)
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Destructive Testing |
Gary,
I agree.
I am a Mfg Engineer by trade and have as much fun building fixtures as I do the
actual projects. The heated forum discussions of the "inferior" Western Red Cedar
ribs nearly 15 years ago intrigued me enough to build the test fixture to
convince myself that WRC was indeed a perfectly acceptable wood for Piet ribs.
I am sure there are plenty of Charlies rib sets in flying Piets today. The Piet
rib as designed, is built like the proverbial brick sh%$ house. Zero reason
to change it.
Just bought a 500' spool of 7x19 aircraft cable of E-Bay. Was disappointed as hell
to see the big "MADE IN CHINA" label on the spool when it arrived. The engineer
in me again kicked into high gear. I made up 3 nico'd cable assemblies last
night to pull to destruction on certified load cells tomorrow. If it breaks
within 10% of rated load.....I'm ok with it. Done deal.
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PAPA MIKE
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| Subject: | Re: put your cards on the table Gents and Ladies! |
Mike Danford, Chickamauga GA (Chattanooga TN area), 423 580 1383.
Bought plans from Mr Pietenpol around 96. Got some supplemental drawings directly
from Orrin Hoopman.
I've not made a lot of progress! Mostly because I was never around any aviation
types (light civil or homebuilders) and could never come to a conclusion on
how to do this or that.
However, that's all getting fixed right now. My intentions are:
All wood, short fuse, wood gear, make my own prop, rebuild a Model A myself, wood
struts all around, probably no brakes or tailwheel, build my own wheel hubs.
Really want a basic plane.
However, I bought Dick Navratil's NX2RN and have come to the conclusion a reliable
A-65 is good. ANYTHING lighter is gooder (considering a steel fuse). A steerable
tailwheel and simple brakes worth the weight.
I'm near Chattanooga TN and have the following available to local builders should
they need it.
Completely equipped wood shop, I can basically turn a tree into dimensioned lumber.
If you have some wood you need milled into wing rib material, spars (dimensioning,
routing) worked on, longeron milling from larger stock, etc, I can
help. Leading edge and trailing edge shaping.
I have a complete machine shop. Several lathes, mills, shapers, grinders (surface,
tool and cutter, run of the mill). All sorts of drilling and boring capability.
My larger lathe has a 1 1/2" headstock bore so I can work on axles.
Lots of welding capability, oxy/acet (std victor torch and a Henrob), MIG and TIG.
I'm JUST finally figuring out how to weld decently... you're mostly on your
own here, but welcome to come use the stuff.
I also have a decent selection of things to lift things with. I can lift wings
onto planes, engines, etc. I'm close enough to several private fields that we
can trailer a mini excavator to one of them to assemble a plane if you need
help with that.
I've got a number of large cast iron workbenches (about 8 ft, dead flat) that are
great for scarfing together spars, laminating struts, ect.
If anyone's willing to travel, you're welcome to come use what you need. Always
a room available as well. Beer and food supplied as needed!
The catch is that I'm not here a lot, but someone usually is.
Tools
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| Subject: | Re: put your cards on the table Gents and Ladies! |
First year was 2008 - "preparation" things like a total overhaul of my shop. (new
workbench, shelves, storage drawers, sawdust vacuum system, new table saw,
etc...)
2008 Bought a "complete" project with all wood parts done (wings fuselage tails)...
Sold the fuselage as I am choosing to build a steel-tube (short fuselage) version...
Building a "modern recreation/interpretation" of Bernard Pietenpol's 1931 Velie
radial-powered Piet. (even though that one was wood fuselage, mine will be steel.)
Most of the primary fuselage structure complete. Many, many, many, many details
to go... having a great time......
Steel-tube 1931 Pietenpol per 1932 F&GM drawings, plans from Don, & two photo of
Bernard's Velie Piet. (two inches wider than plans - short fuselage dimensions
- exactly F&GM dimensions in side view)
Hand built/custom 4130 steel/wicker seats...
Rotec R2800 radial engine...
Wider center section (for larger fuel tank) shape of an S.E.5a center section...
Hatz/cub/split style gear...
Plan on using 16" wire rims and 4" Harley 24" diameter tires...
A few "carefully hidden" electronics such as radio, transponder... (heaven forbid...!)
Red/black paint scheme...
N507N
Three years done - no idea how much left - maybe halfway...?!?!!??
Welder comes tomorrow to do more welding on the flight controls.
Plan to take a "summer off" and fly the Piet around America...
http://www.rotecengines.com/Projects/JakeSchultz.html
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Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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Hi All
If anyone is in need of some rib cap strip, tail feathers, or a Model A engine
mount, I have the following douglas fir "kits":
Ribs -- 700 running feet of 1/4 x 1/2 cap strip in 6 ft lengths
Tail Feathers -- all pieces needed. L/E, T/E and main beam formed, 3/16 cap strip,
everything except plywood.
Also have the 3 ash pieces for a model A engine mount.
I will be driving my truck up I 95 from Florida to Maine in May and could deliver
anywhere on the way. Let me know off line if you're interested.
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: put your cards on the table Gents and Ladies! |
Plans ordered from Don Pietenpol June 2004.
First wood cut November 2005.
Using Sitka Spruce throughout - purchased as rough sawn planks.
Built parts (to date):
Ribs done. Standard Pietenpol FC-10 airfoil.
Empennage done.
Long fuselage 80% done. 1" longer than plans, 1" taller than plans, standard width.
Control horns 90% done.
Continental C-75-12
Intentions (but not built yet):
3-pc wing with UK-style built-up spars
"Jenny" gear + tall skinny wheels + mechanical brakes
Tailwheel
Nosewheel... :)
Paint scheme: yes, it will have one
Goal to have in the air before Christmas. Just not sure which one.
Bill C.
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.... like this test:
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol list Re: Put your cards on the table |
Hello--
Bought plans in 1968 but been bogged down with Army time, finishing my
college degree, jobs, and building homes when I had to move.
So far it's all framed up: long fuselage, standard 3-piece wing w/4'
center section so I can have a cutout for visibility. Ribs Western
Hemlock, all else spruce.
Model A with some of Ken Perkins' stuff and Wico Mag.
Split gear w/springs
Most metal made except landing gear and struts
Instruments in hand, no radio yet
Will use latex paint
Now I'm (finally) building a shop large enough to assemble it all into an
airplane.
--Mac in Oregon
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I invited my local EAA group up to my place for our monthly meeting. Grilled out
some brats and mets with refreshments. This is a photo of my EAA Technical
Advisor showing the group (and me) the proper way to trammel a wing in my shop.
These are good times and invaluable teaching moments for me. I love building
this Pietenpol!
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John
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Nice digs, John!!
Gary from Cool
NX308MB
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kringle
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 6:39 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: EAA Meet
I invited my local EAA group up to my place for our monthly meeting.
Grilled out some brats and mets with refreshments. This is a photo of my
EAA Technical Advisor showing the group (and me) the proper way to trammel a
wing in my shop. These are good times and invaluable teaching moments for
me. I love building this Pietenpol!
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John
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| Subject: | Re: put your cards on the table Gents and Ladies! |
Acquired three "Flying and Glider" manuals in ninety
something. Plans bought 2001.
Built tail parts in winter 99/200,.W. Hemlock.
Short fuse with an extra 6" at the rear, 1" wider.
Seat back tilted back an inch. All Hemlock.
Jenny gear with 19" wheels& 3.90 tires and my own
disk brakes. Oh, Fir legs (Not Douglas).
36" wide center section with 22 gal. Moth style tank.
Cabanes Fir and straight up, not angled.
O-290 up front, zero hrs top end 800hrs bottom,$2500!
Hemlock ribs done, 13' 6" X 1" spar material in rafters.
Working on heel brake parts now. A few hrs of detail
work left before beginning wings. I'll make own prop.
Plan on latex-dark red fuse, cream wings, tail & wheels.
Clif.
Vancouver, BC, Canada
http://www.clifdawson.ca/
Here's an idea,
How 'bout we all send in what we're building (Pietenpol, I know) like
what engine, gear, wood or steel fuse, long or short fuse, how long into
it and maybe how long to go?
Douwe
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