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1. 01:23 AM - FW: Corvair CHT (Rod Wooller)
2. 03:08 AM - Re: Corvair CHT (Jerry Dotson)
3. 04:00 AM - Re: FW: Corvair CHT (John Franklin)
4. 05:56 AM - Re: FW: Corvair CHT (C N Campbell)
5. 07:06 AM - Re: Piets unstable? (Hans van der Voort)
6. 07:07 AM - Re: FW: Corvair CHT (Hans van der Voort)
7. 07:35 AM - Cards on the table (Amsafetyc)
8. 07:43 AM - Re: Va. Festival of Flight (Woodflier@aol.com)
9. 08:54 AM - Re: Cards on the table (Gary Boothe)
10. 09:01 AM - Re: FW: Corvair CHT (Ryan Mueller)
11. 09:07 AM - Re: Cards on the table (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
12. 09:16 AM - Re: Cards on the table (ellery voge)
13. 10:10 AM - Re: Cards on the table (Jack@textors.com)
14. 11:29 AM - Control sticks in position... (aerocarjake)
15. 11:30 AM - Aileron Cable Routing (899PM)
16. 01:45 PM - Re: Aileron Cable Routing (Ben Charvet)
17. 02:39 PM - new piets (Douwe Blumberg)
18. 02:42 PM - Re: Control sticks in position... (Jack Phillips)
19. 07:59 PM - Re: Control sticks in position... (kevinpurtee)
20. 08:07 PM - Re: Corvair CHT (kevinpurtee)
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From: Rod Wooller [mailto:rodwooller@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, 23 April 2012 8:19 PM
Subject: Fwd: Corvair CHT
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Rod Wooller <rodwooller@gmail.com>
Subject: Corvair CHT
Pietenpol-List Digest List <pietenpol-list-digest@matronics.com>
I have a CHT gauge on my Pietenpol with sensors under the rear spark plugs
of each cylinder head.
Can anyone tell me the maximum temperature that the Corvair heads should be
run at ?
Thanks,
Rod Wooller
ZK-PAC
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My book on the Lycoming O-235 C2C says:
Cylinder head Maximum temp 525 F for spark plug thermocouple preferred max 425
F continuous. I would think most engines would have similar maximums. I hope
mine will be in the 375 area for longevity.
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
thru covering and painting, now in final assembly
21" wheels
Lycoming O-235 C2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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Subject: | Re: FW: Corvair CHT |
Rod,there is a good discussion of CHT and cooling issues at the following link:
http://flycorvair.com/pietengineissue.html
Lots of info there...
Regards,
John Franklin
Prairie Aire 4TA0
Needville, TX
GN-1 / Corvair 164CID
I have a CHT gauge on my Pietenpol with sensors under the rear spark plugs of each
cylinder head.
Can anyone tell me the maximum temperature that the Corvair heads should be run
at ?
Thanks,
Rod Wooller
ZK-PAC
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Subject: | Re: FW: Corvair CHT |
WW says, ".....I would try and keep the motor below 450F peak and 400F
cruise......"
----- Original Message -----
From: Rod Wooller
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 4:22 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: FW: Corvair CHT
From: Rod Wooller [mailto:rodwooller@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, 23 April 2012 8:19 PM
To: rmwo@clear.net.nz
Subject: Fwd: Corvair CHT
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Rod Wooller <rodwooller@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 9:29 PM
Subject: Corvair CHT
To: Pietenpol-List Digest Server <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>,
Pietenpol-List Digest List <pietenpol-list-digest@matronics.com>
I have a CHT gauge on my Pietenpol with sensors under the rear spark
plugs of each cylinder head.
Can anyone tell me the maximum temperature that the Corvair heads
should be run at ?
Thanks,
Rod Wooller
ZK-PAC
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Subject: | Re: Piets unstable? |
My Flight instruction started-at a flying club, that only operated Jodel
and Robin airplanes, fairly nimble airplanes with a traditional stick contr
ols , the Jodel-was even wood and fabric,- both-had a training wheel
up front.=0A-=0AOn my question why the Club did not own- Cessna's, My f
irst flight instructor used to say: "Cessna's are for women on the wrong si
de of 40"=0AShe said that with a grin on her face.=0ANever dared to ask her
age.=0A-=0AHans=0A-=0ANX15KV=0AWaller, TX=0A-=0ADo not Archive=0A
=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Clif Dawson <cdawson5854@sh
aw.ca>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Monday, April 23, 2012 1
2:59 AM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Piets unstable?=0A =0A=0A =0APete Bowe
rs tested and compared four Piets. =0AI have a file of the article. Ten pa
ges,a little over =0Aone meg. =0A=0AI was recently flying a 100hp Citabria
- and now=0Afly a Chief. Even =0Awith considerable dihedral I=0Afind the
Chief won't fly very long hands =0Aoff=0Abefore deciding to go somewhere el
se.- I find=0Athe thing much more =0A"antsy" than the Citabria.=0ASo from
what you guys are saying about =0Ayour=0Aflying Piets they can't be any mo
re unstable than=0Athis post war =0Acertified baby. So what does that=0Asay
about this lady's experience? ( and =0Aattitude)=0A=0AWho want's spam can
stability anyway? Isn't=0Aour interest and =0Apurpose to fly and have fun d
oing =0Ait?? =0A=0AClif=0ALife should NOT be a journey to the grave with th
e intention of =0Aarriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body,
but rather to skid in =0Asideways, =0Ajoystick in one hand, beer in the o
ther, body =0Athoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming "WOO HOO
what a =0Aride!"=0A=0AHow many Piets has she flown? Do you really think tha
t so many =0APiets would =0Abe built and flying over the past 80+ years if
the flying =0Acharacteristics =0Awere so poor?=0A> My point is this. If any
airplane =0Aflies "wrong", it very well could be the =0A> rigging is incor
rect and needs =0Ato be adjusted. Maybe this person flew =0A> several Piets
that had rigging =0Aissues.>=0A> Do Not Archive=0A> Semper Fi,=0A> Terry
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Subject: | Re: FW: Corvair CHT |
Rod,=0A-=0AThe max is over well 400F, however I see a constant 350 F on b
oth sides on mine even on a hot Texas day.=0A-=0AHans=0A-=0ANX 15KV=0AW
aller, TX=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Rod Wooller <r
mwo@clear.net.nz>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Monday, April
23, 2012 3:22 AM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: FW: Corvair CHT=0A =0A=0A-
=0A-=0AFrom:Rod Wooller [mailto:rodwooller@gmail.com] =0ASent: Monday, 23
April 2012 8:19 PM=0ATo: rmwo@clear.net.nz=0ASubject: Fwd: Corvair CHT=0A
-=0A-=0A---------- Forwarded message ----------=0AFrom: Rod Wooller <ro
dwooller@gmail.com>=0ADate: Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 9:29 PM=0ASubject: Corvair
CHT=0ATo: Pietenpol-List Digest Server <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>, Pie
tenpol-List Digest List <pietenpol-list-digest@matronics.com>=0A=0A=0AI hav
e a CHT gauge on my Pietenpol with sensors under the rear spark plugs of ea
ch cylinder head.=0ACan anyone tell me the maximum temperature that the Cor
vair heads should be run at ?=0A=0AThanks,=0ARod Wooller=0AZK-PAC=0A- =0A
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Subject: | Cards on the table |
Now since most of us have put our cards on the table to meet the request, is someone
planning to take the information arrange it into a consolidated universally
formatted spread sheet and publish and send it out to all members?
Was there or is there a purpose to all of that information being published?
Having taken the time to participate, what was the purpose?
Thanks
John
Archive at your own risk
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Subject: | Re: Va. Festival of Flight |
I'm flying my Piet down for the Va Festival of Flight. We're planning on
flyin Friday evening and making a weekend of it, along with me, 3 buddies
with a 182, a Piper Colt and a TriPacer. Malcomb, I'll look out for your
talk. I didn't use latex but I did investigate it and gave it serious
consideration. My familiarity with the PolyFiber system, and it's repairability
made
me go that way with my finish.
Matt Paxton
NX629ML
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Subject: | Cards on the table |
Think it was purely rhetorical, John....just for the fun! We already have
Jack Textor's list, where all this info could be put, too.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Amsafetyc
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 7:34 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cards on the table
Now since most of us have put our cards on the table to meet the request, is
someone planning to take the information arrange it into a consolidated
universally formatted spread sheet and publish and send it out to all
members?
Was there or is there a purpose to all of that information being published?
Having taken the time to participate, what was the purpose?
Thanks
John
Archive at your own risk
Sent from my iPhone
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Subject: | Re: FW: Corvair CHT |
>From the '09 Corvair Flight Ops manual WW sells, Chapter 7 "Operational
Limits" written by Woody Harris:
"The Corvair has a factory limit of 575F. The engine will tolerate this for
very brief periods in automotive applications. For aircraft, the target is
much lower."
"400F should be the upper limit for stock heads. 450F is the limit for
Falcon heads."
A good read if you are going to be operating a Corvair in an aircraft, good
info, interesting writing....
Ryan
On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 9:07 AM, Hans van der Voort <nx15kv@yahoo.com>wrote:
> Rod,
>
> The max is over well 400F, however I see a constant 350 F on both sides on
> mine even on a hot Texas day.
>
> Hans
>
> NX 15KV
> Waller, TX
>
> *From:* Rod Wooller <rmwo@clear.net.nz>
>
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Monday, April 23, 2012 3:22 AM
> *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: FW: Corvair CHT
>
>
> *From:* Rod Wooller [mailto:rodwooller@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, 23 April 2012 8:19 PM
> *To:* rmwo@clear.net.nz
> *Subject:* Fwd: Corvair CHT
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: *Rod Wooller* <rodwooller@gmail.com>
> Date: Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 9:29 PM
> Subject: Corvair CHT
> To: Pietenpol-List Digest Server <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>,
> Pietenpol-List Digest List <pietenpol-list-digest@matronics.com>
>
>
> I have a CHT gauge on my Pietenpol with sensors under the rear spark plugs
> of each cylinder head.
> Can anyone tell me the maximum temperature that the Corvair heads should
> be run at ?
>
> Thanks,
> Rod Wooller
> ZK-PAC
>
>
> *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piete=====================
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Subject: | Re: Cards on the table |
its done now, why not use it?
John
Do not archive
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Subject: | Cards on the table |
I've enjoyed the "cards on th table" postings and read them all. I'm not bu
ilding a piet. I'm interested and admire those of you that are. I'm a wann
abe.....Ellery Voge...do not archive.
> From: gboothe5@comcast.net
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Cards on the table
> Date: Mon=2C 23 Apr 2012 08:54:02 -0700
>
>
>
> Think it was purely rhetorical=2C John....just for the fun! We already ha
ve
> Jack Textor's list=2C where all this info could be put=2C too.
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
> Do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Amsafetyc
> Sent: Monday=2C April 23=2C 2012 7:34 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cards on the table
>
>
> Now since most of us have put our cards on the table to meet the request
=2C is
> someone planning to take the information arrange it into a consolidated
> universally formatted spread sheet and publish and send it out to all
> members?
>
> Was there or is there a purpose to all of that information being publishe
d?
>
> Having taken the time to participate=2C what was the purpose?
>
> Thanks
>
> John
>
> Archive at your own risk
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Cards on the table |
John,
In a word time...I did save all to my contacts, time permitting I may add to the
list.
Jack Textor
Do not archive
Sent from my iPad
On Apr 23, 2012, at 9:34 AM, Amsafetyc <amsafetyc@aol.com> wrote:
>
> Now since most of us have put our cards on the table to meet the request, is
someone planning to take the information arrange it into a consolidated universally
formatted spread sheet and publish and send it out to all members?
>
> Was there or is there a purpose to all of that information being published?
>
> Having taken the time to participate, what was the purpose?
>
> Thanks
>
> John
>
> Archive at your own risk
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Control sticks in position... |
Hello good Piet-ple,
My welder (Mike, who's company is "Ready Weld") came over and finished up welding
the control assembly on Friday. I then cleaned up the parts, positioned, drilled,
and temporarily bolted the assembly where it goes in the plane. (Note:
I am using "Home Depot" fasteners until final assembly so don't fret about the
cheap carriage bolts holding it all together until then...!)
Now I can sit in the plane and make airplane noises - while practicing takeoff's
and gradual turns (ha!)
Regards...
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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Subject: | Aileron Cable Routing |
Have any of you had to run a set of "idler" pulleys to route the aileron control
cables around instruments when moving the cabanes back? I am eyballing the cable
locations with the cabanes still vertical and see interference.
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PAPA MIKE
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Subject: | Re: Aileron Cable Routing |
I had to add some on mine. I added a tubular frame to mount the
passenger shoulder harnesses, a design I copied off the British Piet
site. Had to add some idlers to keep cables from rubbing. Something
else to consider is where the cross braces pass through the cowls, as
those move aft also.
Ben
On 4/23/2012 2:28 PM, 899PM wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "899PM"<rockriverrifle@hotmail.com>
>
> Have any of you had to run a set of "idler" pulleys to route the aileron control
cables around instruments when moving the cabanes back? I am eyballing the
cable locations with the cabanes still vertical and see interference.
>
> --------
> PAPA MIKE
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=371634#371634
>
>
--
Ben Charvet, PharmD
Staff Pharmacist
Parrish Medical center
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Hey all!
Wow, I really enjoyed reading the details of everyone's projects. I too am encouraged
that the design seems alive and well and can't wait for a few years down
the road when they're all up and flying! Sounds like some very interesting
ones coming along.
Am excited to hear from Rick Holland and can't wait to hear a flight report soon.
Keep at it everyone!
Douwe
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Subject: | Control sticks in position... |
Looks really nice, Jake. Seems so odd to see a steel tube framework instead
of wood, but very nice workmanship.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of aerocarjake
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 2:29 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Control sticks in position...
Hello good Piet-ple,
My welder (Mike, who's company is "Ready Weld") came over and finished up
welding the control assembly on Friday. I then cleaned up the parts,
positioned, drilled, and temporarily bolted the assembly where it goes in
the plane. (Note: I am using "Home Depot" fasteners until final assembly so
don't fret about the cheap carriage bolts holding it all together until
then...!)
Now I can sit in the plane and make airplane noises - while practicing
takeoff's and gradual turns (ha!)
Regards...
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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Subject: | Re: Control sticks in position... |
Yup. That's really, really sharp. Good stuff.
do not archive
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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I've got all 6 instrumented. #3 is typically the warmest and it hasn't gone above
~360. Like Hans, I'm in Texas.
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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