Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Mon 04/23/12


Total Messages Posted: 20



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 01:23 AM - FW: Corvair CHT (Rod Wooller)
     2. 03:08 AM - Re: Corvair CHT (Jerry Dotson)
     3. 04:00 AM - Re: FW: Corvair CHT (John Franklin)
     4. 05:56 AM - Re: FW: Corvair CHT (C N Campbell)
     5. 07:06 AM - Re: Piets unstable? (Hans van der Voort)
     6. 07:07 AM - Re: FW: Corvair CHT (Hans van der Voort)
     7. 07:35 AM - Cards on the table (Amsafetyc)
     8. 07:43 AM - Re: Va. Festival of Flight (Woodflier@aol.com)
     9. 08:54 AM - Re: Cards on the table (Gary Boothe)
    10. 09:01 AM - Re: FW: Corvair CHT (Ryan Mueller)
    11. 09:07 AM - Re: Cards on the table (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
    12. 09:16 AM - Re: Cards on the table (ellery voge)
    13. 10:10 AM - Re: Cards on the table (Jack@textors.com)
    14. 11:29 AM - Control sticks in position... (aerocarjake)
    15. 11:30 AM - Aileron Cable Routing (899PM)
    16. 01:45 PM - Re: Aileron Cable Routing (Ben Charvet)
    17. 02:39 PM - new piets (Douwe Blumberg)
    18. 02:42 PM - Re: Control sticks in position... (Jack Phillips)
    19. 07:59 PM - Re: Control sticks in position... (kevinpurtee)
    20. 08:07 PM - Re: Corvair CHT (kevinpurtee)
 
 
 


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    Time: 01:23:27 AM PST US
    From: Rod Wooller <rmwo@clear.net.nz>
    Subject: FW: Corvair CHT
    From: Rod Wooller [mailto:rodwooller@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, 23 April 2012 8:19 PM Subject: Fwd: Corvair CHT ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Rod Wooller <rodwooller@gmail.com> Subject: Corvair CHT Pietenpol-List Digest List <pietenpol-list-digest@matronics.com> I have a CHT gauge on my Pietenpol with sensors under the rear spark plugs of each cylinder head. Can anyone tell me the maximum temperature that the Corvair heads should be run at ? Thanks, Rod Wooller ZK-PAC


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    Time: 03:08:43 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Corvair CHT
    From: "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson@centurylink.net>
    My book on the Lycoming O-235 C2C says: Cylinder head Maximum temp 525 F for spark plug thermocouple preferred max 425 F continuous. I would think most engines would have similar maximums. I hope mine will be in the 375 area for longevity. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 thru covering and painting, now in final assembly 21&quot; wheels Lycoming O-235 C2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=371572#371572


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    Time: 04:00:20 AM PST US
    From: John Franklin <jbfjr@peoplepc.com>
    Subject: Re: FW: Corvair CHT
    Rod,there is a good discussion of CHT and cooling issues at the following link: http://flycorvair.com/pietengineissue.html Lots of info there... Regards, John Franklin Prairie Aire 4TA0 Needville, TX GN-1 / Corvair 164CID I have a CHT gauge on my Pietenpol with sensors under the rear spark plugs of each cylinder head. Can anyone tell me the maximum temperature that the Corvair heads should be run at ? Thanks, Rod Wooller ZK-PAC ________________________________________


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    Time: 05:56:02 AM PST US
    From: "C N Campbell" <cncampbell@windstream.net>
    Subject: Re: FW: Corvair CHT
    WW says, ".....I would try and keep the motor below 450F peak and 400F cruise......" ----- Original Message ----- From: Rod Wooller To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 4:22 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: FW: Corvair CHT From: Rod Wooller [mailto:rodwooller@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, 23 April 2012 8:19 PM To: rmwo@clear.net.nz Subject: Fwd: Corvair CHT ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Rod Wooller <rodwooller@gmail.com> Date: Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 9:29 PM Subject: Corvair CHT To: Pietenpol-List Digest Server <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>, Pietenpol-List Digest List <pietenpol-list-digest@matronics.com> I have a CHT gauge on my Pietenpol with sensors under the rear spark plugs of each cylinder head. Can anyone tell me the maximum temperature that the Corvair heads should be run at ? Thanks, Rod Wooller ZK-PAC


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    Time: 07:06:12 AM PST US
    From: Hans van der Voort <nx15kv@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Piets unstable?
    My Flight instruction started-at a flying club, that only operated Jodel and Robin airplanes, fairly nimble airplanes with a traditional stick contr ols , the Jodel-was even wood and fabric,- both-had a training wheel up front.=0A-=0AOn my question why the Club did not own- Cessna's, My f irst flight instructor used to say: "Cessna's are for women on the wrong si de of 40"=0AShe said that with a grin on her face.=0ANever dared to ask her age.=0A-=0AHans=0A-=0ANX15KV=0AWaller, TX=0A-=0ADo not Archive=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Clif Dawson <cdawson5854@sh aw.ca>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Monday, April 23, 2012 1 2:59 AM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Piets unstable?=0A =0A=0A =0APete Bowe rs tested and compared four Piets. =0AI have a file of the article. Ten pa ges,a little over =0Aone meg. =0A=0AI was recently flying a 100hp Citabria - and now=0Afly a Chief. Even =0Awith considerable dihedral I=0Afind the Chief won't fly very long hands =0Aoff=0Abefore deciding to go somewhere el se.- I find=0Athe thing much more =0A"antsy" than the Citabria.=0ASo from what you guys are saying about =0Ayour=0Aflying Piets they can't be any mo re unstable than=0Athis post war =0Acertified baby. So what does that=0Asay about this lady's experience? ( and =0Aattitude)=0A=0AWho want's spam can stability anyway? Isn't=0Aour interest and =0Apurpose to fly and have fun d oing =0Ait?? =0A=0AClif=0ALife should NOT be a journey to the grave with th e intention of =0Aarriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in =0Asideways, =0Ajoystick in one hand, beer in the o ther, body =0Athoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming "WOO HOO what a =0Aride!"=0A=0AHow many Piets has she flown? Do you really think tha t so many =0APiets would =0Abe built and flying over the past 80+ years if the flying =0Acharacteristics =0Awere so poor?=0A> My point is this. If any airplane =0Aflies "wrong", it very well could be the =0A> rigging is incor rect and needs =0Ato be adjusted. Maybe this person flew =0A> several Piets that had rigging =0Aissues.>=0A> Do Not Archive=0A> Semper Fi,=0A> Terry =====================


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    Time: 07:07:50 AM PST US
    From: Hans van der Voort <nx15kv@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: FW: Corvair CHT
    Rod,=0A-=0AThe max is over well 400F, however I see a constant 350 F on b oth sides on mine even on a hot Texas day.=0A-=0AHans=0A-=0ANX 15KV=0AW aller, TX=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Rod Wooller <r mwo@clear.net.nz>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Monday, April 23, 2012 3:22 AM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: FW: Corvair CHT=0A =0A=0A- =0A-=0AFrom:Rod Wooller [mailto:rodwooller@gmail.com] =0ASent: Monday, 23 April 2012 8:19 PM=0ATo: rmwo@clear.net.nz=0ASubject: Fwd: Corvair CHT=0A -=0A-=0A---------- Forwarded message ----------=0AFrom: Rod Wooller <ro dwooller@gmail.com>=0ADate: Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 9:29 PM=0ASubject: Corvair CHT=0ATo: Pietenpol-List Digest Server <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>, Pie tenpol-List Digest List <pietenpol-list-digest@matronics.com>=0A=0A=0AI hav e a CHT gauge on my Pietenpol with sensors under the rear spark plugs of ea ch cylinder head.=0ACan anyone tell me the maximum temperature that the Cor vair heads should be run at ?=0A=0AThanks,=0ARod Wooller=0AZK-PAC=0A- =0A ================


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    Time: 07:35:47 AM PST US
    Subject: Cards on the table
    From: Amsafetyc <amsafetyc@aol.com>
    Now since most of us have put our cards on the table to meet the request, is someone planning to take the information arrange it into a consolidated universally formatted spread sheet and publish and send it out to all members? Was there or is there a purpose to all of that information being published? Having taken the time to participate, what was the purpose? Thanks John Archive at your own risk Sent from my iPhone


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    Time: 07:43:24 AM PST US
    From: Woodflier@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Va. Festival of Flight
    I'm flying my Piet down for the Va Festival of Flight. We're planning on flyin Friday evening and making a weekend of it, along with me, 3 buddies with a 182, a Piper Colt and a TriPacer. Malcomb, I'll look out for your talk. I didn't use latex but I did investigate it and gave it serious consideration. My familiarity with the PolyFiber system, and it's repairability made me go that way with my finish. Matt Paxton NX629ML


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    Time: 08:54:51 AM PST US
    From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
    Subject: Cards on the table
    Think it was purely rhetorical, John....just for the fun! We already have Jack Textor's list, where all this info could be put, too. Gary Boothe NX308MB Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Amsafetyc Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 7:34 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cards on the table Now since most of us have put our cards on the table to meet the request, is someone planning to take the information arrange it into a consolidated universally formatted spread sheet and publish and send it out to all members? Was there or is there a purpose to all of that information being published? Having taken the time to participate, what was the purpose? Thanks John Archive at your own risk Sent from my iPhone


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    Time: 09:01:35 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: FW: Corvair CHT
    From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com>
    >From the '09 Corvair Flight Ops manual WW sells, Chapter 7 "Operational Limits" written by Woody Harris: "The Corvair has a factory limit of 575F. The engine will tolerate this for very brief periods in automotive applications. For aircraft, the target is much lower." "400F should be the upper limit for stock heads. 450F is the limit for Falcon heads." A good read if you are going to be operating a Corvair in an aircraft, good info, interesting writing.... Ryan On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 9:07 AM, Hans van der Voort <nx15kv@yahoo.com>wrote: > Rod, > > The max is over well 400F, however I see a constant 350 F on both sides on > mine even on a hot Texas day. > > Hans > > NX 15KV > Waller, TX > > *From:* Rod Wooller <rmwo@clear.net.nz> > > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Monday, April 23, 2012 3:22 AM > *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: FW: Corvair CHT > > > *From:* Rod Wooller [mailto:rodwooller@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Monday, 23 April 2012 8:19 PM > *To:* rmwo@clear.net.nz > *Subject:* Fwd: Corvair CHT > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: *Rod Wooller* <rodwooller@gmail.com> > Date: Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 9:29 PM > Subject: Corvair CHT > To: Pietenpol-List Digest Server <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>, > Pietenpol-List Digest List <pietenpol-list-digest@matronics.com> > > > I have a CHT gauge on my Pietenpol with sensors under the rear spark plugs > of each cylinder head. > Can anyone tell me the maximum temperature that the Corvair heads should > be run at ? > > Thanks, > Rod Wooller > ZK-PAC > > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piete===================== > * > > > * > > * > >


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    Time: 09:07:19 AM PST US
    From: AMsafetyC@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Cards on the table
    its done now, why not use it? John Do not archive


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    Time: 09:16:01 AM PST US
    From: ellery voge <elleryvoge@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Cards on the table
    I've enjoyed the "cards on th table" postings and read them all. I'm not bu ilding a piet. I'm interested and admire those of you that are. I'm a wann abe.....Ellery Voge...do not archive. > From: gboothe5@comcast.net > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Cards on the table > Date: Mon=2C 23 Apr 2012 08:54:02 -0700 > > > > Think it was purely rhetorical=2C John....just for the fun! We already ha ve > Jack Textor's list=2C where all this info could be put=2C too. > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > Do not archive > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Amsafetyc > Sent: Monday=2C April 23=2C 2012 7:34 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cards on the table > > > Now since most of us have put our cards on the table to meet the request =2C is > someone planning to take the information arrange it into a consolidated > universally formatted spread sheet and publish and send it out to all > members? > > Was there or is there a purpose to all of that information being publishe d? > > Having taken the time to participate=2C what was the purpose? > > Thanks > > John > > Archive at your own risk > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > >


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    Time: 10:10:44 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Cards on the table
    From: "Jack@textors.com" <jack@textors.com>
    John, In a word time...I did save all to my contacts, time permitting I may add to the list. Jack Textor Do not archive Sent from my iPad On Apr 23, 2012, at 9:34 AM, Amsafetyc <amsafetyc@aol.com> wrote: > > Now since most of us have put our cards on the table to meet the request, is someone planning to take the information arrange it into a consolidated universally formatted spread sheet and publish and send it out to all members? > > Was there or is there a purpose to all of that information being published? > > Having taken the time to participate, what was the purpose? > > Thanks > > John > > Archive at your own risk > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >


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    Time: 11:29:52 AM PST US
    Subject: Control sticks in position...
    From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake@gmail.com>
    Hello good Piet-ple, My welder (Mike, who's company is "Ready Weld") came over and finished up welding the control assembly on Friday. I then cleaned up the parts, positioned, drilled, and temporarily bolted the assembly where it goes in the plane. (Note: I am using "Home Depot" fasteners until final assembly so don't fret about the cheap carriage bolts holding it all together until then...!) Now I can sit in the plane and make airplane noises - while practicing takeoff's and gradual turns (ha!) Regards... -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=371635#371635 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/pilot_stick_477.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/passenger_stick_164.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/pandp_control_sticks_170.jpg


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    Time: 11:30:02 AM PST US
    Subject: Aileron Cable Routing
    From: "899PM" <rockriverrifle@hotmail.com>
    Have any of you had to run a set of "idler" pulleys to route the aileron control cables around instruments when moving the cabanes back? I am eyballing the cable locations with the cabanes still vertical and see interference. -------- PAPA MIKE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=371634#371634


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    Time: 01:45:26 PM PST US
    From: Ben Charvet <bencharvet@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Aileron Cable Routing
    I had to add some on mine. I added a tubular frame to mount the passenger shoulder harnesses, a design I copied off the British Piet site. Had to add some idlers to keep cables from rubbing. Something else to consider is where the cross braces pass through the cowls, as those move aft also. Ben On 4/23/2012 2:28 PM, 899PM wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "899PM"<rockriverrifle@hotmail.com> > > Have any of you had to run a set of "idler" pulleys to route the aileron control cables around instruments when moving the cabanes back? I am eyballing the cable locations with the cabanes still vertical and see interference. > > -------- > PAPA MIKE > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=371634#371634 > > -- Ben Charvet, PharmD Staff Pharmacist Parrish Medical center


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    Time: 02:39:35 PM PST US
    From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
    Subject: new piets
    Hey all! Wow, I really enjoyed reading the details of everyone's projects. I too am encouraged that the design seems alive and well and can't wait for a few years down the road when they're all up and flying! Sounds like some very interesting ones coming along. Am excited to hear from Rick Holland and can't wait to hear a flight report soon. Keep at it everyone! Douwe


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    Time: 02:42:02 PM PST US
    From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Control sticks in position...
    Looks really nice, Jake. Seems so odd to see a steel tube framework instead of wood, but very nice workmanship. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of aerocarjake Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 2:29 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Control sticks in position... Hello good Piet-ple, My welder (Mike, who's company is "Ready Weld") came over and finished up welding the control assembly on Friday. I then cleaned up the parts, positioned, drilled, and temporarily bolted the assembly where it goes in the plane. (Note: I am using "Home Depot" fasteners until final assembly so don't fret about the cheap carriage bolts holding it all together until then...!) Now I can sit in the plane and make airplane noises - while practicing takeoff's and gradual turns (ha!) Regards... -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=371635#371635 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/pilot_stick_477.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/passenger_stick_164.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/pandp_control_sticks_170.jpg


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    Time: 07:59:12 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Control sticks in position...
    From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
    Yup. That's really, really sharp. Good stuff. do not archive -------- Kevin &quot;Axel&quot; Purtee NX899KP Austin/San Marcos, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=371682#371682


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    Time: 08:07:15 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Corvair CHT
    From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
    I've got all 6 instrumented. #3 is typically the warmest and it hasn't gone above ~360. Like Hans, I'm in Texas. -------- Kevin &quot;Axel&quot; Purtee NX899KP Austin/San Marcos, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=371683#371683




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