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1. 03:57 AM - Re: Wing Tip Transition (Jack)
2. 04:48 AM - Re: Wing Tip Transition (Michael Perez)
3. 05:10 AM - Re: Wing Tip Transition (Kringle)
4. 05:22 AM - Re: Wing Tip Transition (Bill Church)
5. 05:41 AM - Re: progress info thread (Bill Church)
6. 06:11 AM - Re: Re: Wing Tip Transition (Michael Perez)
7. 06:24 AM - Re: Re: progress info thread (Amsafetyc)
8. 06:44 AM - Engine "Screw, Dowel" (Michael Perez)
9. 07:14 AM - Re: Engine "Screw, Dowel" (Kringle)
10. 07:36 AM - Re: Engine "Screw, Dowel" (Jack Phillips)
11. 08:02 AM - Re: Wing Tip Transition (C N Campbell)
12. 08:13 AM - Re: Engine "Screw, Dowel" (Michael Perez)
13. 08:51 AM - Re: progress info thread (Bill Church)
14. 08:56 AM - Re: Wing Tip Transition (Kringle)
15. 09:27 AM - Re: calling for a Rick Holland update---come in Rick....do you r (at7000ft)
16. 09:32 AM - Re: Wing Tip Transition (giacummo)
17. 09:40 AM - Re: Wing Tip Transition (Kringle)
18. 10:41 AM - Re: put your cards on the table Gents and Ladies! (Bill Princell)
19. 10:54 AM - Re: Re: progress info thread (Ryan Mueller)
20. 11:04 AM - Re: Re: put your cards on the table Gents and Ladies! (airlion)
21. 11:57 AM - Re: Engine "Screw, Dowel" (Ben Charvet)
22. 01:42 PM - Re: Engine "Screw, Dowel" (Ryan Mueller)
23. 04:20 PM - Re: Engine "Screw, Dowel" (Michael Perez)
24. 04:25 PM - Re: Engine "Screw, Dowel" (Michael Perez)
25. 05:08 PM - Re: Engine "Screw, Dowel" (Ben Charvet)
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Subject: | Wing Tip Transition |
Some more pics John http://textors.com/8-31-08_012.jpg
Jack Textor
DSM
NX1929T
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kringle
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 6:34 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing Tip Transition
I would like to see pictures of how some of you transitioned the wing tip to
the leading and trailing edge.
Thanks
John
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Subject: | Wing Tip Transition |
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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Subject: | Re: Wing Tip Transition |
Thanks all for pictures. Ive saved them to my iPad for future reference.
John
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Subject: | Re: Wing Tip Transition |
Michael,
Perhaps the photo you attached is an older photo, and this has already been addressed,
but it looks like you would need some additional bracing at your wing
tip. There was a recent discussion here on the List that brought up the point
that the wing tip bow actually acts as a compression strut. Your photo appears
to show a wing tip bow that is even slimmer than the "plans" version. The structure
shown in your photo likely will not be stout enough. It would be prudent
to introduce a compression strut similar to those at the wing root and mid-wing.
Bill C.
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Subject: | Re: progress info thread |
Hey John,
I don't see the connection between a listing of what people are building and/or
planning to build, and a set of W&B data for flying aircraft. I can see some
value in the W&B tabulations, although there are so many factors that can affect
W&B on a Piet (powerplants, fuse lengths, motor-mount lengths, landing gear
options, tilted cabanes, builder "mods", etc.), that the net picture is fuzzy,
at best. But the latest "statistics" collected by Douwe's question are really
only of value for curiosity's sake.
I believe Douwe's request was just to get a feel for the projects out there in
Pietland that were in the works, and it seems to have served its purpose in that
sense. If someone out there wants to compile all that data, go ahead. But I
don't really know what anyone would do with the info.
Bill C.
do not archive
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Subject: | Re: Wing Tip Transition |
Correct Bill, that is an "in work" picture and the most current one I have at this
time.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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Subject: | Re: progress info thread |
Bill
As an example I am powering with a lycoming 0235 c1b if I have a particular question
about that engine, it's mounting or performance? Rather than posting the
question and getting several unqualified answers I can go to the spread sheet
and find that Jerry Dottson down in Florida has one. I can write or call him
and get an answer directly from him without wading through a bunch of well intended
non answers. My opinion is that a little extra work in the front end with
data entry can save a bunch of time in posting at the back end.
Not unless you are interested in reading all about the nuances of the 0235 engine
or any other specific issues I may share with only a few builders or potential
builders.
There was a practical application to consolidated information once the idea caught
on rather well too. I believe they were called books. You're familiar with
them I trust?
John
Do not archive this book idea may not catch on
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 25, 2012, at 8:40 AM, "Bill Church" <billspiet@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
> Hey John,
>
> I don't see the connection between a listing of what people are building and/or
planning to build, and a set of W&B data for flying aircraft. I can see some
value in the W&B tabulations, although there are so many factors that can affect
W&B on a Piet (powerplants, fuse lengths, motor-mount lengths, landing gear
options, tilted cabanes, builder "mods", etc.), that the net picture is fuzzy,
at best. But the latest "statistics" collected by Douwe's question are really
only of value for curiosity's sake.
> I believe Douwe's request was just to get a feel for the projects out there in
Pietland that were in the works, and it seems to have served its purpose in
that sense. If someone out there wants to compile all that data, go ahead. But
I don't really know what anyone would do with the info.
>
> Bill C.
>
> do not archive
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=371773#371773
>
>
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Subject: | Engine "Screw, Dowel" |
There are, I believe, three of these "screw, dowel" bolts to hold the engine case
halves together. I could not find these at ACS. If anyone has an idea who might
carry them or what nomenclature I should use to search with, I would appreciate
it.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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Subject: | Re: Engine "Screw, Dowel" |
I dont think Douwe would like your current name for the fastener :?
Do not archive.
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Subject: | Engine "Screw, Dowel" |
I assume you are talking about a Continental A65? Try Fresno Airparts (559)
237-4863 email fresnoairparts@att.net . They have an ad on the first page
of every Trade-a-Plane and carry every part for the small Continentals.
They list "Crankcase clamping dowel bolt, nut set for $47.50.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Perez
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 9:44 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Engine "Screw, Dowel"
There are, I believe, three of these "screw, dowel" bolts to hold the engine
case halves together. I could not find these at ACS. If anyone has an idea
who might carry them or what nomenclature I should use to search with, I
would appreciate it.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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Subject: | Re: Wing Tip Transition |
John, the first time I sent some pictures it was rejected by the list for
being too large. Maybe this one will go through. The wing is upside down
in both pictures. I didn't run my aileron all the way to the tip. C
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kringle" <Mrkringles@msn.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 7:34 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing Tip Transition
>
> I would like to see pictures of how some of you transitioned the wing tip
> to the leading and trailing edge.
>
> Thanks
> John
>
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> John
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Subject: | Engine "Screw, Dowel" |
Ok Jack. I'll give them a call. Mike C. seems to think that kit is all the
nuts, bolts, etc for the entire engine. (A65)=C2-
Michael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
--- On Wed, 4/25/12, Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net> wrote:
From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Engine "Screw, Dowel"
=0A=0A=0A =0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AI assume you are talking
about a=0AContinental A65?=C2- Try Fresno Airparts (559) 237-4863=C2- e
mail fresnoairparts@att.net .=C2- They=0Ahave an ad on the first page of
every Trade-a-Plane and carry every part for=0Athe small Continentals.=C2
- They list =9CCrankcase clamping dowel bolt,=0Anut set for $47.50.
=0A=0A =C2- =0A=0AJack Phillips =0A=0ANX899JP =0A=0ASmith Mountain Lake,
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com] On Behalf Of Michael Perez
=0ASent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012=0A9:44 AM
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Subject: | Re: progress info thread |
Then again, posting inquiries to the list shares the information with all builders,
AND keeps an archive of the responses. Granted, it does get more difficult
to weed through the responses (mostly because of many posters' failure to use
the "do not archive" notation on frivolous comments) as the database grows.
Nonetheless, it's pretty easy to ignore the posts that hold no interest for you.
Of course, if you want to compile a book...
BC
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Subject: | Re: Wing Tip Transition |
Thanks Bill, those are the kind of pictures I was looking for.
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Subject: | Re: calling for a Rick Holland update---come in Rick....do |
you r
I doubt that I will have the 40 hours flown off for Brodhead this year Jack but
hopefully 2013.
Rick
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Subject: | Re: Wing Tip Transition |
I am learning english with you ;o)
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http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
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Subject: | Re: Wing Tip Transition |
Mario,
Your English is much better than my Spanish!
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Subject: | Re: put your cards on the table Gents and Ladies! |
Bill Princell - Noblesville, IN
Started a complete rebuild and design upgrade of N10837 on 6-05 which had
been severally damaged in a central Texas landing accident.
My project is a Piet/Grega hybrid with an oversize fuselage (plus 2" wide
and 3" deep) and a 44" wide wing center section.
Removed and sold original Subaru EA81 engine - Rebuilt a 1965 Corvair
Engine w/William Wynne conversion parts and a Dan's 5th Bearing. Engine ran
at CC
#20 held in Michigan on weekend of June 3, 2011.
New wings and center section build and completed using Riblett 612 airfoil
with continuous aileron hinges. Made 4 new Cabane struts w/support cables.
New fin/rudder and elevator/stabilizer w/push/pull rod control system and a
continuous (no gap) hinge system. Made 8 new support cables w/turnbuckles.
Cockpit interiors completed. New aluminum instrument panel completed w/new
steam gauges installed. All new electrical system and wiring installed.
New Cub type gear w/6:00x6 wheels and tires and disc type brakes.
New engine mount for Corvair engine built and installed.
All metal surfaces have been powder coated.
Will start fabric covering this fall using Stewart Systems process w/Latex
paint. Using light weight fabric and w/medium weight fabric on upper
surface of wings.
Hope to complete and first flight in 2014.
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Subject: | Re: progress info thread |
http://www.matronics.com/search is an easy way to search the consolidated
information of every post to the Piet list for the past decade and a half.
A quick search for O-235 brings up Jerry's post in the results a majority
of the time (since he has O-235 in his signature), and I contact him
directly with a few more keystrokes if I would like.
The archive has consolidated the information.....if you want to duplicate
the effort, for some reason, go ahead. BTW, I wouldn't use books as a
proving point.....even the Encyclop=E6dia Britannica has given up on them.
:)
Ryan
do not archive
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 8:23 AM, Amsafetyc <amsafetyc@aol.com> wrote:
>
> Bill
>
> As an example I am powering with a lycoming 0235 c1b if I have a
> particular question about that engine, it's mounting or performance? Rath
er
> than posting the question and getting several unqualified answers I can g
o
> to the spread sheet and find that Jerry Dottson down in Florida has one.
I
> can write or call him and get an answer directly from him without wading
> through a bunch of well intended non answers. My opinion is that a little
> extra work in the front end with data entry can save a bunch of time in
> posting at the back end.
>
> Not unless you are interested in reading all about the nuances of the 023
5
> engine or any other specific issues I may share with only a few builders
or
> potential builders.
>
> There was a practical application to consolidated information once the
> idea caught on rather well too. I believe they were called books. You're
> familiar with them I trust?
>
> John
>
> Do not archive this book idea may not catch on
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 25, 2012, at 8:40 AM, "Bill Church" <billspiet@sympatico.ca> wrote
:
>
> billspiet@sympatico.ca>
> >
> > Hey John,
> >
> > I don't see the connection between a listing of what people are buildin
g
> and/or planning to build, and a set of W&B data for flying aircraft. I ca
n
> see some value in the W&B tabulations, although there are so many factors
> that can affect W&B on a Piet (powerplants, fuse lengths, motor-mount
> lengths, landing gear options, tilted cabanes, builder "mods", etc.), tha
t
> the net picture is fuzzy, at best. But the latest "statistics" collected
by
> Douwe's question are really only of value for curiosity's sake.
> > I believe Douwe's request was just to get a feel for the projects out
> there in Pietland that were in the works, and it seems to have served its
> purpose in that sense. If someone out there wants to compile all that dat
a,
> go ahead. But I don't really know what anyone would do with the info.
> >
> > Bill C.
> >
> > do not archive
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=371773#371773
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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Subject: | Re: put your cards on the table Gents and Ladies! |
Hey Bill, you might want to consider putting a supercharger on that engine. From
what I can see of your photos, Your plane looks great. Cheers, Gardiner
________________________________
From: Bill Princell <weprincell@gmail.com>
Sent: Wed, April 25, 2012 1:38:47 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: put your cards on the table Gents and Ladies!
Bill Princell - Noblesville, IN
Started a complete rebuild and design upgrade of N10837 on 6-05 which had been
severally damaged in a central Texas landing accident.
My project is a Piet/Grega hybrid with an oversize fuselage (plus 2" wide and 3"
deep) and a 44" wide wing center section.
Removed and sold original Subaru EA81 engine - Rebuilt a 1965 Corvair Engine
w/William Wynne conversion parts and a Dan's 5th Bearing. Engine ran at CC
#20 held in Michigan on weekend of June 3, 2011.
New wings and center section build and completed using Riblett 612 airfoil with
continuous aileron hinges. Made 4 new Cabane struts w/support cables.
New fin/rudder and elevator/stabilizer w/push/pull rod control system and a
continuous (no gap) hinge system. Made 8 new support cables w/turnbuckles.
Cockpit interiors completed. New aluminum instrument panel completed w/new steam
gauges installed. All new electrical system and wiring installed.
New Cub type gear w/6:00x6 wheels and tires and disc type brakes.
New engine mount for Corvair engine built and installed.
All metal surfaces have been powder coated.
Will start fabric covering this fall using Stewart Systems process w/Latex
paint. Using light weight fabric and w/medium weight fabric on upper surface of
wings.
Hope to complete and first flight in 2014.
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Subject: | Re: Engine "Screw, Dowel" |
I also replaced all my crankcase bolts on reassembly. May have some old
ones laying around if you are looking to save the $50.
Ben
On 4/25/2012 10:35 AM, Jack Phillips wrote:
>
> I assume you are talking about a Continental A65? Try Fresno Airparts
> (559) 237-4863 email fresnoairparts@att.net
> <mailto:fresnoairparts@att.net> . They have an ad on the first page
> of every Trade-a-Plane and carry every part for the small
> Continentals. They list "Crankcase clamping dowel bolt, nut set for
> $47.50.
>
> Jack Phillips
>
> NX899JP
>
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:*owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
> *Michael Perez
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 25, 2012 9:44 AM
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Engine "Screw, Dowel"
>
> There are, I believe, three of these "screw, dowel" bolts to hold the
> engine case halves together. I could not find these at ACS. If anyone
> has an idea who might carry them or what nomenclature I should use to
> search with, I would appreciate it.
>
> Michael Perez
> Pietenpol HINT Videos
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
>
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Subject: | Re: Engine "Screw, Dowel" |
But, which ones do you need?
[image: Inline image 1]
[image: Inline image 2]
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 8:44 AM, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>wrote:
> There are, I believe, three of these "screw, dowel" bolts to hold the
> engine case halves together. I could not find these at ACS. If anyone has
> an idea who might carry them or what nomenclature I should use to search
> with, I would appreciate it.
>
> Michael Perez
> Pietenpol HINT Videos
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
>
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Subject: | Re: Engine "Screw, Dowel" |
Thanks Ben, I have all the old bolts, some are not worth keeping.- I figu
re going through the engine like I am, I should buy new bolts.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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Subject: | Re: Engine "Screw, Dowel" |
In your attached picture, they would be #14A. In mine, they are #22, Screw,
Dowel, (hence the subject line)-part number 24252, quantity 3.-
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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Subject: | Re: Engine "Screw, Dowel" |
Good plan
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 25, 2012, at 7:19 PM, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Thanks Ben, I have all the old bolts, some are not worth keeping. I figur
e going through the engine like I am, I should buy new bolts.
>
> Michael Perez
> Pietenpol HINT Videos
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
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