Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Sun 04/29/12


Total Messages Posted: 11



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 07:31 AM - fabric shrink temperature (Rick Schreiber)
     2. 07:36 AM - Re: fabric shrink temperature (Jack Phillips)
     3. 07:39 AM - Re: fabric shrink temperature (Gary Boothe)
     4. 10:11 AM - Re: fabric shrink temperature (Michael Perez)
     5. 10:15 AM - Re: Re: Wing Tip Transition (Michael Perez)
     6. 10:23 AM - Re: fabric shrink temperature (kevinpurtee)
     7. 02:45 PM - Re: Wing Tip Transition (Don Emch)
     8. 04:30 PM -  (airlion)
     9. 06:39 PM - Re: fabric shrink temperature (IT Girl)
    10. 07:48 PM - Re: fabric shrink temperature (helspersew@aol.com)
    11. 08:15 PM - Re: Re: Wing Tip Transition (Clif Dawson)
 
 
 


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    Time: 07:31:17 AM PST US
    From: Rick Schreiber <lmforge@earthlink.net>
    Subject: fabric shrink temperature
    I've just started covering my Piet and I need a consensus of opinion. I have heard that on a light wooden structure that one needs to be careful to not over shrink the fabric. What has everyone done? Do I stop at 250 degrees? Go to 300 or even full shrink at 350. At this stage I sure don't want to warp or break anything. As a side note, never having covered before I was sweating the process a little. As everyone has said, its easy, fun and even magical. Rick Schreiber Valparaiso IN


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    Time: 07:36:46 AM PST US
    From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: fabric shrink temperature
    I went to 350 on mine. No problem as long as the structure is right. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Schreiber Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 10:30 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: fabric shrink temperature I've just started covering my Piet and I need a consensus of opinion. I have heard that on a light wooden structure that one needs to be careful to not over shrink the fabric. What has everyone done? Do I stop at 250 degrees? Go to 300 or even full shrink at 350. At this stage I sure don't want to warp or break anything. As a side note, never having covered before I was sweating the process a little. As everyone has said, its easy, fun and even magical. Rick Schreiber Valparaiso IN


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    Time: 07:39:22 AM PST US
    From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
    Subject: fabric shrink temperature
    Rick, Glad to hear that you are at that stage...my favorite! I used 1.7 oz fabric and stopped at 300....call me chicken.... Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Schreiber Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 7:30 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: fabric shrink temperature --> <lmforge@earthlink.net> I've just started covering my Piet and I need a consensus of opinion. I have heard that on a light wooden structure that one needs to be careful to not over shrink the fabric. What has everyone done? Do I stop at 250 degrees? Go to 300 or even full shrink at 350. At this stage I sure don't want to warp or break anything. As a side note, never having covered before I was sweating the process a little. As everyone has said, its easy, fun and even magical. Rick Schreiber Valparaiso IN


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    Time: 10:11:20 AM PST US
    From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: fabric shrink temperature
    >From the limited fabric work I have done, (aileron, both elevators, vertica l stab. and rudder) I went to the full temp.- Everything seemed more the strong enough and I never once heard anything creek, snap or pop! Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com


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    Time: 10:15:14 AM PST US
    From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: Wing Tip Transition
    Don,- I had the wing tip shape in mind soon after I started building the wings. As the process started coming together, things fell into place as yo u see them in my pictures.- Like Chuck had mentioned, I personally like t he looks of having the elevators stop short of the tip. - Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com


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    Time: 10:23:03 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: fabric shrink temperature
    From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
    Rick - I went to whatever Polyfiber said to go to. 350? I had one problem with the fabric on the top of the wing deforming the structure around the fuel tank hole. Hurt my feelings a little bit but I reinforced the woodwork and drove on. Jack's right: if the structure is sound you won't have a problem. I thought the structure around the wing tank was sufficient but it obviously wasn't. The rest of the shrinking process was trouble-free, and was actually my absolute favorite part of the build. The piet's really stout and there should be no problem with tearing up a plans-built airplane when shrinking the fabric to the manufacturer's standard. -------- Kevin &quot;Axel&quot; Purtee NX899KP Austin/San Marcos, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372080#372080


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    Time: 02:45:20 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Wing Tip Transition
    From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir@aol.com>
    Michael and Chuck, Personal preference is as good a reason as any I guess. I think the ailerons extending all the way to the end was more popular in the 20's and early 30's. Later on as they developed more effective ailerons I think they started to end them before the end of the wing. Some of the early Travel Airs, Wacos, etc. had "elephant ears" or ailerons that actually extended past the wingtip. So I guess it was the thing to do back then. Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372092#372092


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    Time: 04:30:26 PM PST US
    From: airlion <airlion@bellsouth.net>
    Hey fellow listers. I had a great visit with Jerry Dotson and hie wife Bobbie. You should listen to him when he talks about how do things. His workmanship is superb== Metal wise and woodworking. Cabanes and struts are outstanding.. He has a nice 1300 ft strip way out in the boonies. It is kind of hard to get to so I spent a half a day going Boonie Hopping. Gardiner


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    Time: 06:39:07 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: fabric shrink temperature
    From: "IT Girl" <shlizbth@gmail.com>
    I recall a lot of creaking, snapping and various sounds (maybe the sounds were from my aching back) but I agree with Kevin, it was a magical process. It was awesome watching the fabric tighten do not archive -------- Shelley Tumino IT Girl wife of &quot;Axel&quot; NX899KP DO NOT ARCHIVE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372112#372112


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    Time: 07:48:16 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: fabric shrink temperature
    From: helspersew@aol.com
    Rick, I went with 350, BUT make sure you reinforce the end ribs. In my case (one- piece wing) the rib adjacent to the tank (center) was pulled out of positio n a little. Not good. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Rick Schreiber <lmforge@earthlink.net> Sent: Sun, Apr 29, 2012 9:31 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: fabric shrink temperature > I've just started covering my Piet and I need a consensus of opinion. I ave heard that on a light wooden structure that one needs to be careful o not over shrink the fabric. What has everyone done? Do I stop at 250 egrees? Go to 300 or even full shrink at 350. At this stage I sure on't want to warp or break anything. As a side note, never having covered before I was sweating the process a ittle. As everyone has said, its easy, fun and even magical. Rick Schreiber alparaiso IN -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -========================


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    Time: 08:15:57 PM PST US
    From: "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
    Subject: Re: Wing Tip Transition
    Bellanca tips. :-) Long and distinquished history. Clif To most people the sky is the limit. To a pilot, the sky is home. Don, I had the wing tip shape in mind soon after I started building the wings. Michael Perez




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