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1. 02:33 AM - Re: Re: Wing Tip Transition (Ryan Mueller)
2. 02:35 AM - Re: Re: Wing Tip Transition (Ryan Mueller)
3. 07:02 AM - fabric shrink temp (Rick Schreiber)
4. 07:40 AM - Right angle tach drive (Woodflier@aol.com)
5. 11:09 AM - another covering question (Rick Schreiber)
6. 11:56 AM - Re: another covering question (Jim Markle)
7. 12:07 PM - Re: another covering question (Jack Phillips)
8. 12:22 PM - Re: another covering question (Michael Perez)
9. 01:11 PM - wheels (Bob edson)
10. 03:40 PM - Re: another covering question (Rick Schreiber)
11. 04:03 PM - Re: Right angle tach drive (tkreiner)
12. 04:03 PM - Re: another covering question (airlion)
13. 04:07 PM - Re: another covering question (Rick Schreiber)
14. 04:27 PM - Re: another covering question (Jack Phillips)
15. 04:42 PM - Re: another covering question (Rick Schreiber)
16. 05:00 PM - Re: another covering question (Jim Markle)
17. 06:17 PM - Re: wheels (aerocarjake)
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Tip Transition |
Congrats to Bellanca, I don't recall them building Pietenpols..
Ryan
On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 10:15 PM, Clif Dawson <cdawson5854@shaw.ca> wrote:
> **
> Bellanca tips. :-)
> Long and distinquished history.
>
> Clif
>
> To most people the sky is the limit.
> To a pilot, the sky is home.
>
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> Don, I had the wing tip shape in mind soon after I started building
> the wings. Michael Perez
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Tip Transition |
Pietenpols with wings to the plans.....long and distinguished history
On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 10:15 PM, Clif Dawson <cdawson5854@shaw.ca> wrote:
> **
> Bellanca tips. :-)
> Long and distinquished history.
>
> Clif
>
> To most people the sky is the limit.
> To a pilot, the sky is home.
>
>
> Don, I had the wing tip shape in mind soon after I started building
> the wings. Michael Perez
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| Subject: | fabric shrink temp |
Thanks to everyone who replied on the fabric shrink temps. I am sure my
structure is sound and I have reinforced my outboard and inboard wing
ribs, so I will go to the full shrink.
Rick Schreiber
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Right angle tach drive |
It looks like I'm having to replace the right angle drive for the tach on
my Piet, after only about 75 hours of operation. The first drive never
worked well - the needle would jump and the male square drive end from the tach
cable seems to have been loose enough in the female fitting on the drive
that it wallowed out the female end quite a bit. The replacement failed on a
flight back from Suffolk, Va. yesterday. The female recepticle for the
cable was completely rounded out inside, and there is a lot of resistance in
the drive gears. I greased both these drives with white lithium grease before
I installed them. I've also lubricated the cable with a NAPA speedometer
cabe lube which is a light machine oil with graphite in it. Dirty stuff but
good cable lube, I'm told.
Both of these right angle drives were from Aircraft Spruce. Wicks has a
different model drive, a bit more expensive, but if I keep replacing these ACS
drives, I'd rather pay once and be done for a while.
Anyone have experience like this, and anyone using the Wicks angle tach
drive? Any thoughts on lubricating the angle drive itself. I wondered if the
grease is getting too firm at low temperatures. It was in the 50s in flight
yesterday and it failed when I started it up after a fuel stop. I'd been
flying for about 1.7 hours prior to the fuel stop. I'm wondering if I should
try the oil and graphite lube in the angle drive. I notice that the Wicks
angle drive has a zerk fitting to allow it to be greased. Any ideas what
type grease is recommended?
Matt Paxton
NX629ML
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| Subject: | another covering question |
I'm now starting the cover of my elevators. I have the lower cover on
one side. In order to attach the cover, I made a small slit in the
fabric just long enough to allow the control horn to protrude. I did a
preliminary shrink at 250 degrees, trying to not over shrink near the
horn. I still got some gaping around the horn plus the fabric still has
some looseness in this area. My question is how do I finish this area
off to eliminate the gaps?
I am using the Stewarts system. In their video they only cover minor
fitting protrusions under the fabric, such as lift strut attachments. In
the video, they just covered over the fitting and then slit the fabric
after the first shrink. Next they cut a patch that was glued over the
fitting. After the patch is glued in place, the area of the patch is not
shrunk again.
Attached is a photo of what I have now.
Rick Schreiber
Valparaiso In
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| Subject: | Re: another covering question |
I had the same issue. (I'm shrinking to 300deg and using the lightweight fabric.)
You can see from the attached pic that the gap (below the patch) had opened up
after shrinking. Then I made that "patch" and just cut one slit for the patch
to fit over the horn. that allowed me to leave a bit of material up onto the
side of the horn to help seal it up.
(And yes, I cleaned it up a bit so it doesn't still look so messy!)
Hope this helps....
Jim in Pryor
NX1929J
-----Original Message-----
>From: Rick Schreiber <lmforge@earthlink.net>
>Sent: Apr 30, 2012 1:05 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: another covering question
>
>I'm now starting the cover of my elevators. I have the lower cover on
>one side. In order to attach the cover, I made a small slit in the
>fabric just long enough to allow the control horn to protrude. I did a
>preliminary shrink at 250 degrees, trying to not over shrink near the
>horn. I still got some gaping around the horn plus the fabric still has
>some looseness in this area. My question is how do I finish this area
>off to eliminate the gaps?
>
>I am using the Stewarts system. In their video they only cover minor
>fitting protrusions under the fabric, such as lift strut attachments. In
>the video, they just covered over the fitting and then slit the fabric
>after the first shrink. Next they cut a patch that was glued over the
>fitting. After the patch is glued in place, the area of the patch is not
>shrunk again.
>
>Attached is a photo of what I have now.
>
>Rick Schreiber
>Valparaiso In
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| Subject: | another covering question |
Rick,
Pre-Shrink the patch material, then cut the patch to the exact cross section
of the control horn at the level of the fabric. Slip it over the horn and
glue it in place. It might still gap a little, but should be a pretty good
fit. See photo below:
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Schreiber
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 2:06 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: another covering question
I'm now starting the cover of my elevators. I have the lower cover on
one side. In order to attach the cover, I made a small slit in the
fabric just long enough to allow the control horn to protrude. I did a
preliminary shrink at 250 degrees, trying to not over shrink near the
horn. I still got some gaping around the horn plus the fabric still has
some looseness in this area. My question is how do I finish this area
off to eliminate the gaps?
I am using the Stewarts system. In their video they only cover minor
fitting protrusions under the fabric, such as lift strut attachments. In
the video, they just covered over the fitting and then slit the fabric
after the first shrink. Next they cut a patch that was glued over the
fitting. After the patch is glued in place, the area of the patch is not
shrunk again.
Attached is a photo of what I have now.
Rick Schreiber
Valparaiso In
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| Subject: | Re: another covering question |
In your picture, where the fabric is still loose near the fitting, make sure you
heat that like the rest of the fabric to shrink it tight prior to putting on
the patch. After my patch was on, I heated it some to make sure the edges laid
nice and the patch had a small amount of shrink/tension on it.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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Jake Schultz
In answer to your question the wheels are 21 inch stainless steel with
stainless spokes. My son made the hubs 6 inches wide stainless steel
with stainless rotors. The overall diameter of the tires is 27
inches.Things are starting to come together and look like a pietenpol.
It's beem about 20 months since we started. Bob
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| Subject: | Re: another covering question |
On 4/30/2012 2:21 PM, Michael Perez wrote:
> In your picture, where the fabric is still loose near the fitting,
> make sure you heat that like the rest of the fabric to shrink it tight
> prior to putting on the patch. After my patch was on, I heated it some
> to make sure the edges laid nice and the patch had a small amount of
> shrink/tension on it.
>
> Michael Perez
> Pietenpol HINT Videos
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
>
> *
> *
Mike:
I did shrink around the fitting. Part of the problem is my control horns
are made from flat sheet and so have little thickness when compared to
the formed control horns. When I shrunk the cover near the horn it
gapped a fair amount. I was afraid to shrink it till the surface was
perfectly level.
Rick Schreiber
Valparaiso In
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| Subject: | Re: Right angle tach drive |
IMHO, the best all around grease for an item like the right angle drive is moly.
You can wash all the old lube out with solvent and re pack with moly from any autozone,
etc. If you're concerned about extremely lw temps, you can mix the moly
grease with some 10 wt oil to make a really light wt grease; just make sure
you mix very thoroughly.
I've done this on speedo heads and small mechanisms for years and never had one
seize as yours has.
Just make sure you're wearing old clothes, as moly cannot be removed from anything.
--------
Tom Kreiner
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| Subject: | Re: another covering question |
I am in the process of covering my wings now and I glued a small piece of 1/16
in ply around the horn. Now the fabric can be glued down. Cheers, Gardiner Mason
----- Original Message ----
From: Rick Schreiber <lmforge@earthlink.net>
Sent: Mon, April 30, 2012 2:05:57 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: another covering question
I'm now starting the cover of my elevators. I have the lower cover on one side.
In order to attach the cover, I made a small slit in the fabric just long enough
to allow the control horn to protrude. I did a preliminary shrink at 250
degrees, trying to not over shrink near the horn. I still got some gaping around
the horn plus the fabric still has some looseness in this area. My question is
how do I finish this area off to eliminate the gaps?
I am using the Stewarts system. In their video they only cover minor fitting
protrusions under the fabric, such as lift strut attachments. In the video, they
just covered over the fitting and then slit the fabric after the first shrink.
Next they cut a patch that was glued over the fitting. After the patch is glued
in place, the area of the patch is not shrunk again.
Attached is a photo of what I have now.
Rick Schreiber
Valparaiso In
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| Subject: | Re: another covering question |
Jim Markle and Jack Phillips thanks for the response, but I was
wondering did you shrink the fabric until it was flat as Mike Perez has
suggested. I was just afraid if I did it would gap a hideous amount.
Rick Schreiber
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| Subject: | another covering question |
You can shrink the fabric on the wing as much as you want, and let it gap.
Then glue down the pre-shrunk patch and don't shrink it any further.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Schreiber
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 7:04 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: another covering question
Jim Markle and Jack Phillips thanks for the response, but I was
wondering did you shrink the fabric until it was flat as Mike Perez has
suggested. I was just afraid if I did it would gap a hideous amount.
Rick Schreiber
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| Subject: | Re: another covering question |
On 4/30/2012 6:25 PM, Jack Phillips wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips"<pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
>
> You can shrink the fabric on the wing as much as you want, and let it gap.
> Then glue down the pre-shrunk patch and don't shrink it any further.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
>
That's what I will do, thanks!
Rick Schreiber
Valparaiso, In
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| Subject: | another covering question |
What Jack said... :-)
Jim in Pryor
NX1929J
-----Original Message-----
>From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
>Sent: Apr 30, 2012 6:25 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: another covering question
>
>
>You can shrink the fabric on the wing as much as you want, and let it gap.
>Then glue down the pre-shrunk patch and don't shrink it any further.
>
>Jack Phillips
>NX899JP
>Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
>Schreiber
>Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 7:04 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: another covering question
>
>
>Jim Markle and Jack Phillips thanks for the response, but I was
>wondering did you shrink the fabric until it was flat as Mike Perez has
>suggested. I was just afraid if I did it would gap a hideous amount.
>
>Rick Schreiber
>
>
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Thanks...... Your bird looks great............
(I am leaning towards a 24" tire based on the 1931 Piet that Bernard built. Your
Piet wheels look a bit bigger than that and I wanted to check.... )
I love the way ANY big/spoked tires look on a Piet....!!!
Great job.....
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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