---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 05/07/12: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:06 AM - Gear angle (Jack) 2. 06:04 AM - Re: Re: on beating dead horses...But smaller horses (Amsafetyc) 3. 08:39 AM - Easy Way to Make Round Gussets (jarheadpilot82) 4. 08:48 AM - Re: "Mighty Corvair Again Roars to Life After 6 Months" (curtdm(at)gmail.com) 5. 11:38 AM - aluminum struts, cont. (Lawrence Williams) 6. 11:52 AM - Re: "Mighty Corvair Again Roars to Life After 6 Months" (Jim Boyer) 7. 11:58 AM - off topic but of interest to pilots (John Greenlee) 8. 12:49 PM - 14 YEAR UPDATE (899PM) 9. 01:43 PM - Re: off topic but of interest to pilots (Catdesigns) 10. 03:22 PM - Re: 14 YEAR UPDATE (helspersew@aol.com) 11. 05:57 PM - Re: off topic but of interest to pilots (joe motis) 12. 06:08 PM - Re: off topic but of interest to pilots (joe motis) 13. 06:27 PM - Re: off topic but of interest to pilots (Dan Yocum) 14. 06:44 PM - Re: off topic but of interest to pilots (gboothe5@comcast.net) 15. 08:29 PM - Re: off topic but of interest to pilots (Steve Ruse) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:06:58 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Gear angle Getting closer to drilling the lower gear lugs to set the angle of the wheels at 2 degrees. I plan to use a digital angle gauge but wanted a double check. I plan to install a wedge shim on top of the axle and then top it with a piece of angle the full length across the top of both axles side to side. 2 percent would be the angle. To determine the height of the wedge, what figure would I use for the base? The distance to the fuselage side? Thanks! Jack Textor DSM NX1929T ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:04:51 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: on beating dead horses...But smaller horses From: Amsafetyc I liked it, I found it enjoyable and informative yet I have not a clue as to its relevance or connection to Beating dead horses. Please explain the connection John Do not archive Sent from my iPhone On May 4, 2012, at 10:29 PM, "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" wrote: > > A 27 min Video on WWII contstruction of a piper cub. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6q1VKsTeKQ > > I just hope I am not stoned in the public square for posting this. > > Blue Skies, > Steve D > > Do Not Archive > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:39:37 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Easy Way to Make Round Gussets From: "jarheadpilot82" I saw this on the ragandtubesociety Yahoo Group forum, and thought that it might apply to someone on this forum. I am not using round gussets on my wings, but thought someone out there might be thinking about it. I have not tried it, but it looks like a reasonable method. I will make sure and give credit where credit is due. Someone named OzarkFlyer2 posted the response as well as the drawing, so I take no credit for being smart enough to come up with the answer. I just hope it helps someone. Here is the entire thread with drawing- ------------------- ------------------- "I need to make about 1100 2" round gussets for a Chief wing I'm building. I have a method for squared and triangular gussets to mass produce them using my chop saw with a fine tooth blade, but round ones have me stumped how I can "mass" produce them. Hole saws are slow even when stacking the plywood. They still tend to be a little rough from the hole saw cut and need to be hand-sanded. Maybe there's a fine hole saw that doesn't require the subsequent hand sanding. And then they need to be cut in half, which is time consuming too. Again they can be stacked to speed up the process, but I am looking for a method that will yield 1100 perfect gussets in 3-4 hours max. Anyone have a "killer" method for round gussets?" _________________________ "This is real easy to do and you don't need anything but access to a band saw or a scroll saw. You need a 1 X 4 or wider board as long as your saw table is deep. Run it part way through the saw like your were ripping it, and stop when it lines up with the sides of the table. Stop the saw, take the board off, and with your drill press drill a 1/8" hole with the center one inch to the side of the end of the kerf, measured from the side of the kerf. Insert a short dowel (a couple of inches or so)in the hole,with a drop of glue. With the saw off, insert the kerf on the blade, and slide the board down the blade until the board ends match the table top, then clamp securely to the saw top. Drill a 1/8" inch hole in a stack of 2" plywood squares, slip them over the dowel in the board. The edge of the squares should just be touching the saw blade. Turn the saw on and spin the squares around the dowel. You can easily cut 10 or fifteen with a band saw (1/8" blade works best, but you can use a 1/4"), or a half-dozen or so with a scroll saw. I can cut a 100 5" circles out of 1/4" ply in less than ten minutes. About 5 minutes to make the jig. You want to have a kerf in the board, and not use the edge of the board against the blade (keeps the bottom side of the bottom circle from splintering. This is a terrible description of how to do it, and I put an equally terrible photo called "Circle cutter" up. If you have any questions, let me know and I will try to describe a little better..." -------- Do Not Archive Semper Fi, Terry Hand Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372552#372552 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/circlecutter_142.jpg ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:48:43 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: "Mighty Corvair Again Roars to Life After 6 Months" From: "curtdm(at)gmail.com" Unfortunately too far away! Curt Do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372553#372553 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:38:00 AM PST US From: Lawrence Williams Subject: Pietenpol-List: aluminum struts, cont. Dang it Helsper, don't try to soften me up. It just makes me more curmudgeo nier and we don't need that. All of you polished alum. strut guys; they are great until you go to a fly -in and some ham-fisted lout who just ate a greasy burger wraps his paw aro und one as he starts a dissertation to his buddies. I have found that a goo d antidote is to let him finish his story and just hand him a can of polish and a rag.- I have toyed with the idea of painting mine but then my bloo d pressure might drop to a dangerously low level which would be detrimental to my position in this organization. AUMMMMMM Larry in wonderland do not archive ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:52:02 AM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: "Mighty Corvair Again Roars to Life After 6 Months" Hi Gary, Glad you got the electrical loose ends fixed. Also the Corviar sounds good. I have my forward cabanes (to motor mount) ready to weld along with a step on right gear leg. As soon as they are done will put on the motor mount and try to get engine hung. I like the light green and trim. How about a close up of your logo so I can read it; promise not to copy it. cheers, Jim ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:58:10 AM PST US From: "John Greenlee" Subject: Pietenpol-List: off topic but of interest to pilots This was a portion of an email I received from the TX Chapter of the Antique Airplane Association. I don't know this individual or other details. Can anyone verify what is going on here? Have any of y'all heard of situations like this? Heads up from Dick Stephens: What you don't know could cost you $10,000 TSA Fine TSA is policing Tyler airport and gave a person a $10,000 ticket. I was there on a cross country flight with a student and parked at the base of the tower. The restaurant was closed at 2:00 in the afternoon. We decided to walk around the static aircraft exhibit to Tyler Jet. When we entered Tyler Jet they were surprised and said "Where did you come from? We didn't see you taxi in." We told them and they asked if we had an airport clearance. They told us TSA had given a man a $10,000 fine and put him on a no fly list. There were no signs or warnings. We were told we had to stay in the foot print of our plane or have an escort. Tyler Jet said they would take us back to our plane when we were ready. That was a Big Surprise that could have cost us. Spread the word. Dick Stephens ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:49:05 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: 14 YEAR UPDATE From: "899PM" Had a great weekend. Got the wings mounted, struts cut and strut fittings drilled. While sitting back with a cold Porter and reflecting on the years, I could swear I saw 899PM strain at the tail tiedown! -------- PAPA MIKE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372568#372568 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_4244_177.jpg ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:43:10 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: off topic but of interest to pilots From: "Catdesigns" According to AOPA Trler Tx airport is a commercial-service airport (has commercial passenger operations) http://www.aopa.org/airports/KTYR and is therefore subject to TSA Security Directive 1542-04-08G that went into effect in 2009. In a nutshell, at commercial airports TSA allows for transient pilots to move about for refueling, an emergency, direct access the FBO or exit. ( http://www.aopa.org/advocacy/security/brief_sd.html ) Several sources say walking unescorted is acceptable. Other than that you could be in trouble if your wandering around. TSA Airport Badging Program: Security Directive 1542-04-08G http://www.nbaa.org/ops/security/airport-badges/ May 29, 2009 On May 28, 2009, the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) issued Security Directive (SD) 1542-04-08G, which modifies security protocols for transient aircraft and after-hours operations at commercial-service airports. This newest revision of the security directive "Version G" clarifies the TSA's initial security directive, SD 1542-04-08F, and addresses some of the immediate, top-level concerns raised by NBAA and other general aviation groups about how the TSA's "badging" program would be implemented and what impact it might have on security and safety. Note: Due to the sensitive nature of the information included in the directive, the TSA has not made the full content of the document widely available. TSA has provided additional clarification on the impact of the SD to general aviation operations: As previously discussed, the purpose of the SD is to require background checks and identification for All PERSONS with UNESCORTED ACCESS to the SIDA and AOA at Commercial Airports. The affect of these badging SD's on General Aviation pilots will depend upon where they are operating: > For HOME-BASED PILOTS, the badging requirements will apply if you have leased space or are part of a tenant program unless alternate measures have been approved by the airport operator. An example of an alternative measure would be an escort program. > For TRANSIENT PILOTS, they will not be required to have airport badges or background checks from any of the NON Home-Based airports they visit. Transient pilots are advised to remain in the footprint of their aircraft and to and from fixed-based operator, service provider or airport exit. Special allowance will be given to transient pilot operators in the AOA who are fueling or in emergency status. -------- Chris Sacramento, CA WestCoastPiet.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372577#372577 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:22:02 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 14 YEAR UPDATE From: helspersew@aol.com Mike, Veeerrrrry cool. Love the unique wheel coverings. Nobody else has this to m y knowledge. Congratulations on your progress. Good job. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: 899PM Sent: Mon, May 7, 2012 2:49 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: 14 YEAR UPDATE Had a great weekend. Got the wings mounted, struts cut and strut fittings rilled. While sitting back with a cold Porter and reflecting on the years, I ould swear I saw 899PM strain at the tail tiedown! -------- APA MIKE ead this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372568#372568 ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_4244_177.jpg -======================== -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:57:22 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: off topic but of interest to pilots From: joe motis Hold on , they were standing at the base of the tower?? Who exactly did they talk to to get permission to land if it is a towered airport? At 2:00 in the afternoon one could assume the tower was open . Footprint of your airplane??? Do they have drive thru or folks on roller skates to bring you food anddo they roll the porta potty out to you ?No hundred dollar hamburger for you since they are closed at 2:00 I guess I am just kidding but have never heard of anything like this. Perhaps a TFR was in effect. No Archive Joe Motis On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 11:57 AM, John Greenlee wr ote: > ** ** > > This was a portion of an email I received from the TX Chapter of the > Antique Airplane Association. I don=92t know this individual or other > details. Can anyone verify what is going on here? Have any of y=92all h eard > of situations like this? **** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > Heads up from Dick Stephens: > > What you don't know could cost you $10,000 TSA Fine > > TSA is policing ****Tyler**** airport and gave a person a $10,000 ticket. > > I was there on a cross country flight with a student and parked at the > base of the tower. The restaurant was closed at 2:00 in the afternoon. We > decided to walk around the static aircraft exhibit to Tyler Jet. When we > entered Tyler Jet they were surprised and said "Where did you come from? We > didn't see you taxi in." We told them and they asked if we had an airport > clearance. They told us TSA had given a man a $10,000 fine and put him on a > no fly list. There were no signs or warnings. We were told we had to stay > in the foot print of our plane or have an escort. Tyler Jet said they wou ld > take us back to our plane when we were ready. > > That was a Big Surprise that could have cost us. Spread the word. > > Dick Stephens**** > > ** ** > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:08:17 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: off topic but of interest to pilots From: joe motis I love the internet >From good the good old EAA too. EAA News - TSA Issues Revised *Airport* Security Directive 8G www.eaa.org/news/2009/2009-05-29_8g.asp May 29, 2009 ' =93For *transient pilots*, *they will not* be *required* t o *have airport badges* or *background checks* from *any* of the *non Home*-*Based airports they visit*.*Transient pilots* are *advised* to *remain* in the * footprint* of *their aircraft* and to and from *fixed*-*based operator*, *service provider* or *airport exit*. Special allowance will be*...* * * *No archive* * * *Joe Motis* On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 11:57 AM, John Greenlee wr ote: > ** ** > > This was a portion of an email I received from the TX Chapter of the > Antique Airplane Association. I don=92t know this individual or other > details. Can anyone verify what is going on here? Have any of y=92all h eard > of situations like this? **** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > Heads up from Dick Stephens: > > What you don't know could cost you $10,000 TSA Fine > > TSA is policing ****Tyler**** airport and gave a person a $10,000 ticket. > > I was there on a cross country flight with a student and parked at the > base of the tower. The restaurant was closed at 2:00 in the afternoon. We > decided to walk around the static aircraft exhibit to Tyler Jet. When we > entered Tyler Jet they were surprised and said "Where did you come from? We > didn't see you taxi in." We told them and they asked if we had an airport > clearance. They told us TSA had given a man a $10,000 fine and put him on a > no fly list. There were no signs or warnings. We were told we had to stay > in the foot print of our plane or have an escort. Tyler Jet said they wou ld > take us back to our plane when we were ready. > > That was a Big Surprise that could have cost us. Spread the word. > > Dick Stephens**** > > ** ** > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:27:02 PM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: off topic but of interest to pilots No radio in my Piet. Can't land at anything but airports in Class E or G airspace. Usually on grass. Problem solved. do not archive ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:44:25 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: off topic but of interest to pilots From: gboothe5@comcast.net [LIKE] ------Original Message------ From: Dan Yocum Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: off topic but of interest to pilots Sent: May 7, 2012 6:26 PM No radio in my Piet. Can't land at anything but airports in Class E or G airspace. Usually on grass. Problem solved. do not archive Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:29:04 PM PST US From: "Steve Ruse" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: off topic but of interest to pilots I've read 3rd-hand information of a GA pilot who went through something similar after landing at KDAL. Bad deal...TSA/Homeland Security have been given far too much power. These are agencies that never should've been created and now they will never go away. Here are some more details on the incidents I've heard of: http://www.dfwpilots.com/board/index.php?showtopic=5184 http://forums.aopa.org/showthread.php?t=52546 Google Scott Morse & Colorado Pilots Association for another similar story. Apparently pilots are being fined outrageous amounts for unknowingly being in the wrong place at towered airports. Sorry for the off-topic post. Then again, maybe it isn't off topic. There are plenty of these people who think we shouldn't be allowed to fly at all. Stuff like this puts us on a slippery slope. What I don't know is what I can do about it. Writing your representatives seems ineffective. Steve Ruse Norman, OK From: John Greenlee Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 1:57 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: off topic but of interest to pilots This was a portion of an email I received from the TX Chapter of the Antique Airplane Association. I don't know this individual or other details. Can anyone verify what is going on here? Have any of y'all heard of situations like this? Heads up from Dick Stephens: What you don't know could cost you $10,000 TSA Fine TSA is policing Tyler airport and gave a person a $10,000 ticket. I was there on a cross country flight with a student and parked at the base of the tower. The restaurant was closed at 2:00 in the afternoon. We decided to walk around the static aircraft exhibit to Tyler Jet. When we entered Tyler Jet they were surprised and said "Where did you come from? We didn't see you taxi in." We told them and they asked if we had an airport clearance. They told us TSA had given a man a $10,000 fine and put him on a no fly list. There were no signs or warnings. We were told we had to stay in the foot print of our plane or have an escort. Tyler Jet said they would take us back to our plane when we were ready. That was a Big Surprise that could have cost us. Spread the word. 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