---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 05/11/12: 19 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:24 AM - NX92GB getin close (shad bell) 2. 01:18 AM - Re: Bell crank streamlined tube No. 1667 question. (bubbleboy) 3. 01:26 AM - Re: Re: Bell crank streamlined tube No. 1667 question. (Chris) 4. 01:47 AM - Re: Bell crank streamlined tube No. 1667 question. (bubbleboy) 5. 03:36 AM - Re: Re: Bell crank streamlined tube No. 1667 question. (Jack@textors.com) 6. 04:41 AM - Carb heat knob (bubbleboy) 7. 05:36 AM - cover adhesive (giacummo) 8. 05:45 AM - Re: Carb heat knob (Gary Boothe) 9. 06:12 AM - Re: cover adhesive (Gary Boothe) 10. 06:52 AM - Re: cover adhesive (giacummo) 11. 04:11 PM - Fw: Fw: glass steam engine (airlion) 12. 05:07 PM - cover adhesive (santiago morete) 13. 05:47 PM - Re: four minute video of possible interest (aerocarjake) 14. 06:58 PM - Re: Carb heat knob (helspersew@aol.com) 15. 06:59 PM - Re: Carb heat knob (Greg Cardinal) 16. 07:10 PM - Re: Carb heat knob (Gary Boothe) 17. 07:41 PM - Brodhead Fly-in 2012 (IT Girl) 18. 07:46 PM - Re: four minute video of possible interest (Greg Cardinal) 19. 10:26 PM - Re: Carb heat knob (bubbleboy) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:24:31 AM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Pietenpol-List: NX92GB getin close Well it's 3am and I just came in from the hangar, got the piet just about r eady for engine runs, leak checks.- Had to take the top cover off the fue l tank (center section), to clean it up so I can re-seal the filler neck, a s we got a little water, and fuel running down there last summer at Brodhea d.- I also had to put a flush patch on the cowling where a crack had been propigating.- Got it all primed and painted, just ned to re seal the cow ling exsaust lip on the bottom of the cowl with pro seal and check the timi ng etc.- I'd better get my butt to bed, because I got to get up at 8 am a nd start working on the patio so I can go flying on saturday.- To Kevin: I am too tired to come up with big words of BS at the moment, I'll try agai n later. - Shad NX92GB ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:18:18 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bell crank streamlined tube No. 1667 question. From: "bubbleboy" Thanks Jack...will give it a try! Once squashed, do I let it cool normally or dip it in Oil/water? -------- Tamworth, Australia Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper www.scottyspietenpol.com Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators, Hor Stab and Ribs built...About to start fuselage...Corvair engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372807#372807 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:26:44 AM PST US From: "Chris" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bell crank streamlined tube No. 1667 question. Scott Just heat it up, squish then let it cool slowly in a draft free location. By the way, if it starts to get hard to squish, you need to heat it again. Chris Sacramento, Ca Westcoastpiet.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bubbleboy Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 1:18 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bell crank streamlined tube No. 1667 question. --> Thanks Jack...will give it a try! Once squashed, do I let it cool normally or dip it in Oil/water? -------- Tamworth, Australia Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper www.scottyspietenpol.com Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators, Hor Stab and Ribs built...About to start fuselage...Corvair engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372807#372807 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:47:38 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bell crank streamlined tube No. 1667 question. From: "bubbleboy" Thanks Chris...its been 25 years since I have done this kind of thing at school! Thanks mate! -------- Tamworth, Australia Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper www.scottyspietenpol.com Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators, Hor Stab and Ribs built...About to start fuselage...Corvair engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372809#372809 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:36:56 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bell crank streamlined tube No. 1667 question. From: "Jack@textors.com" What Chris said, cool on its own. Dipping in oil would temper it and you would cuss when drilling Jack Textor Sent from my iPad On May 11, 2012, at 3:17 AM, "bubbleboy" wrote: > > Thanks Jack...will give it a try! Once squashed, do I let it cool normally or dip it in Oil/water? > > -------- > Tamworth, Australia > Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper > > www.scottyspietenpol.com > > Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators, Hor Stab and Ribs built...About to start fuselage...Corvair engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372807#372807 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:41:59 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Carb heat knob From: "bubbleboy" Where can I find a carb heat knob and cable assembly which has an old style brass or metal knob. I have seen the assemblies with plastic knobs but want something in brass or the like. Scotty -------- Tamworth, Australia Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper www.scottyspietenpol.com Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators, Hor Stab and Ribs built...About to start fuselage...Corvair engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372811#372811 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:36:19 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: cover adhesive From: "giacummo" Hello, Between structure jobs and others thing I begin to cover the rudder and the stabilizer to practice and learn about the covering process. I bought a book from Poly-Fiber, read an other one from the 70's wich talk about all the differents technics (even fiberglass..), and after all and with the resources I have I decide to coverit with Dacron fabric and polytak. It is easy, and the finall result is excelent. But.. I had a big problem... I can not find Poly-Tak in my country, buy it in Aircraftspruce it is a possibility, but cost USS 300 the delivery cost because it is a "dangerous product".. I bought a qt in Argentina, very expensive, few months ago, so I use Poly tak just for the borders joins, all the other jobs like the reinforced tapes I use conctact cement, and as I can saw it work perfect, the only problem I found is that you have just one opportunuty to do the job, you can not make adjusts, so some little wrinkles in the curved parts result. Why nobody use contact cement?, I am talking about the one based on toluol, the one you have to brush both surfaces, wait some minutes and join them... It is very strong as I can see, with care is easy to apply, is cheep, but I can imagine that in big fabric pieces could be difficult ti apply. Is there another reason because nobody use it it? regards. Mario -------- Mario Giacummo http://vgmk1.blogspot.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372813#372813 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:45:58 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Carb heat knob You could make your own, Scotty! Those plastic knobs just screw off and on. Get a chunk of brass, 1"x1", drill it, tap it (now you have a way to hold it in the vise), then start filing. It'll keep you out of the pub for at least 2 nights... St. Gary NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bubbleboy Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 4:41 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Carb heat knob --> Where can I find a carb heat knob and cable assembly which has an old style brass or metal knob. I have seen the assemblies with plastic knobs but want something in brass or the like. Scotty -------- Tamworth, Australia Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper www.scottyspietenpol.com Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators, Hor Stab and Ribs built...About to start fuselage...Corvair engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372811#372811 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:12:00 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: cover adhesive Mario, Two questions you may ask (well, there are lots of questions, like: Is it flammable?), but two that come to mind are: 1) How does UV affect contact cement? 2) What holding power does it have at 100 knots? 150 knots? You may never find the answer to those questions, because; A) it's never been tested, B) it performed so badly that it's not a good consideration. I have used Polytak and have nothing bad to say about it. Given your shipping issues, though, you may want to take a look at Stewart Systems Eko-bond. That's what I used this time around and it is very easy to work with! It's a zero VOC product and you should have an easier time with shipping. Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of giacummo Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 5:36 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: cover adhesive --> Hello, Between structure jobs and others thing I begin to cover the rudder and the stabilizer to practice and learn about the covering process. I bought a book from Poly-Fiber, read an other one from the 70's wich talk about all the differents technics (even fiberglass..), and after all and with the resources I have I decide to coverit with Dacron fabric and polytak. It is easy, and the finall result is excelent. But.. I had a big problem... I can not find Poly-Tak in my country, buy it in Aircraftspruce it is a possibility, but cost USS 300 the delivery cost because it is a "dangerous product".. I bought a qt in Argentina, very expensive, few months ago, so I use Poly tak just for the borders joins, all the other jobs like the reinforced tapes I use conctact cement, and as I can saw it work perfect, the only problem I found is that you have just one opportunuty to do the job, you can not make adjusts, so some little wrinkles in the curved parts result. Why nobody use contact cement?, I am talking about the one based on toluol, the one you have to brush both surfaces, wait some minutes and join them... It is very strong as I can see, with care is easy to apply, is cheep, but I can imagine that in big fabric pieces could be difficult ti apply. Is there another reason because nobody use it it? regards. Mario -------- Mario Giacummo http://vgmk1.blogspot.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372813#372813 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:52:15 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: cover adhesive From: "giacummo" Why perform badly?.. not talk about UV, what are the others reasons? I make some home test with dacron, contact cement, wood, and dacron, polytak, wood, and the contact cement example was too much stronger in peel off and sheer than the polytak one; may be we are talking about differnts adhesives or may be it perform bad over the time? I like the polytak, it is a matter of price and disponibility, nothing else. -------- Mario Giacummo http://vgmk1.blogspot.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372817#372817 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:11:25 PM PST US From: airlion Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fw: Fwd: glass steam engine Now here is a good pietenpol engine. Kinda sounds like the ford A model. Gardiner ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: William E. Richardson Tax ; Bud Coward ; Gardiner Mason ; "Ken Fosdick, PYM" ; Mike Tenney - (H) ; Oakley Weyant ; Richard Ludders ; Stephen Adams ; Tom Maher ; Walter Lockhart Sent: Fri, May 11, 2012 6:47:31 PM Subject: Fwd: glass steam engine Subject: glass steam engine > >For the engineers out there > >http://redux.com/stream/item/2134517/Working-Model-of-Stephenson-s-STEAM-ENGINE-made-of-GLASS-Rare > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:07:30 PM PST US From: santiago morete Subject: Pietenpol-List: cover adhesive Hola Mario,-=0A=0AYou can use contact cement, that's what most people hav e been using here for many many years without any problems.-=0A=0ASaludos =0A=0ASantiago ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:47:21 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: four minute video of possible interest From: "aerocarjake" VERY, VERY nice Mike.... Simple, basic and elegant - awesome. Thx.... Do not archive -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372872#372872 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:58:20 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Carb heat knob From: helspersew@aol.com OK Gary, Enough with the St. prefix. You're stretching your five minutes of fame and honor out a little too far. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN do not archive -----Original Message----- From: Gary Boothe Sent: Fri, May 11, 2012 7:46 am Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Carb heat knob You could make your own, Scotty! Those plastic knobs just screw off and on. et a chunk of brass, 1"x1", drill it, tap it (now you have a way to hold it n the vise), then start filing. It'll keep you out of the pub for at least nights... St. Gary X308MB -----Original Message----- rom: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bubbleboy ent: Friday, May 11, 2012 4:41 AM o: pietenpol-list@matronics.com ubject: Pietenpol-List: Carb heat knob -> Where can I find a carb heat knob and cable assembly which has an old style rass or metal knob. I have seen the assemblies with plastic knobs but want omething in brass or the like. Scotty -------- amworth, Australia uilding a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper www.scottyspietenpol.com Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators, Hor Stab and Ribs built...About to start uselage...Corvair engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified. ead this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372811#372811 -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:59:52 PM PST US From: "Greg Cardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Carb heat knob Knobs can be found here: http://www.reidsupply.com/detail.aspx?itm=BBF-75 Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: "bubbleboy" Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 6:41 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Carb heat knob > > > Where can I find a carb heat knob and cable assembly which has an old > style brass or metal knob. I have seen the assemblies with plastic knobs > but want something in brass or the like. > > Scotty > > -------- > Tamworth, Australia > Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper > > www.scottyspietenpol.com > > Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators, Hor Stab and Ribs built...About to start > fuselage...Corvair engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372811#372811 > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:10:04 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Carb heat knob It's Kevin's fault. Gary from Cool Do not archive From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of helspersew@aol.com Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 6:58 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Carb heat knob OK Gary, Enough with the St. prefix. You're stretching your five minutes of fame and honor out a little too far. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN do not archive -----Original Message----- From: Gary Boothe Sent: Fri, May 11, 2012 7:46 am Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Carb heat knob You could make your own, Scotty! Those plastic knobs just screw off and on. Get a chunk of brass, 1"x1", drill it, tap it (now you have a way to hold it in the vise), then start filing. It'll keep you out of the pub for at least 2 nights... St. Gary NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ] On Behalf Of bubbleboy Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 4:41 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Carb heat knob --> Where can I find a carb heat knob and cable assembly which has an old style brass or metal knob. I have seen the assemblies with plastic knobs but want something in brass or the like. Scotty -------- Tamworth, Australia Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper www.scottyspietenpol.com Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators, Hor Stab and Ribs built...About to start fuselage...Corvair engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372811#372811 " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List p://forums.matronics.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:41:41 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Fly-in 2012 From: "IT Girl" 65 days until we head out from Texas to Brodhead Can't Wait to see y'all on 19 July 2012 Do Not Archive -------- Shelley Tumino IT Girl wife of "Axel" NX899KP DO NOT ARCHIVE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372885#372885 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:46:31 PM PST US From: "Greg Cardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: four minute video of possible interest Very nice video, Mike. I have been looking at different camera options to mount on the Piet and want something more than a Go Pro. The Epic Red looked like just the thing I wanted. Here is a nice video of it's capabilities: http://vimeo.com/25424362 I recommend watching it full screen,1080 resolution and crank the volume. Very nice. Then I checked out the list prices of these cameras, $40,000 - $70,000 depending on options. I don't think I'm getting an Epic Red.... Greg C. ----- Original Message ----- From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP] To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 7:14 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: four minute video of possible interest http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkGNAqlkQnY Local friend and aviation film producer Adam White of Hemlock films (Red Tail Reborn, Restorers, Doolittle Raiders They Were all Volunteers) came out to the hangar last week to film the Piet and I trying out his new Red Epic digital video camera. Evidently the Red Epic camera was hard for Adam to get because the producers of some of the big movies like the Avengers and such used this camera and bought up the first 50 produced! Mike C. http://www.hemlockfilms.com/Hemlock_Films/Main.html ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:26:48 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Carb heat knob From: "bubbleboy" Greg...thanks mate...a great start! -------- Tamworth, Australia Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper www.scottyspietenpol.com Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators, Hor Stab and Ribs built...About to start fuselage...Corvair engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified. 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