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1. 04:33 AM - Re: wood prop balancing, torqing, and blade tracking (Michael Perez)
2. 04:39 AM - Re: Re: Brodhead Fly-in 2012 (Jeff Souders)
3. 05:06 AM - Re: Re: Brodhead Fly-in 2012 (Jack Phillips)
4. 05:51 AM - Re: wood prop balancing, torqing, and blade tracking (C N Campbell)
5. 06:56 AM - Re: Brodhead Fly-in 2012 (K5YAC)
6. 07:43 AM - wood prop balancing, torqing, and blade tracking (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP])
7. 08:11 AM - flying formation cross country and avgas prices (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP])
8. 11:32 AM - Re: flying formation cross country and avgas prices (airlion)
9. 11:51 AM - Re: flying formation cross country and avgas prices (Graham Hansen)
10. 12:00 PM - Re: flying formation cross country and avgas prices (TOM STINEMETZE)
11. 12:19 PM - Re: flying formation cross country and avgas prices (bradandlinda tds.net)
12. 12:42 PM - Re: flying formation cross country and avgas prices (Barry Davis)
13. 02:09 PM - certified engine/prop combination and avgas prices (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP])
14. 02:17 PM - Re: certified engine/prop combination and avgas prices (Ryan Mueller)
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| Subject: | Re: wood prop balancing, torqing, and blade tracking |
Frankly, I have seen this prop. once it was re-finished and I believe it lo
oks horrible!- Mike should just GIVE it to me and by himself a new one.
Michael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead Fly-in 2012 |
Hi, Kevin, thanks for the info. It would be a lot of fun flying up with
another Piet. If I decided to go and can get the time off I'll keep you
guys in mind.
Thanks
Jeff
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 2:52 PM, kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>wrote:
> kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
>
> Hi Jeff - We plan to depart on Sunday, July 15th, putting us in
> Markle/Chouinard-land that evening. They're near Tulsa. We had a great
> time last year. They forced me to eat pizza and drink beer.
>
> You're welcome to join up for as long as you can stand. My legs are short
> due to my poor fuel tank planning/design. Works out perfect for ground
> stop coordination with Shelley, though. Anyway, when you've had enough you
> can simply fly ahead.
>
> FYI, we also have a stop tentatively planned for Kansas City to see family.
>
> All of this is, of course, contingent upon weather, maintenance, jobs and
> the universe smiling on us.
>
> Kevin Purtee
> "Axel"
> Husband of "IT Girl"
> NX899KP
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
> --------
> Kevin "Axel" Purtee
> NX899KP
> Austin/San Marcos, TX
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373037#373037
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead Fly-in 2012 |
Having twice flown to Brodhead in formation with another Piet, with Mike Cuy
in 2005 and with Randy Bush in 2010 (and tried to do it with Matt Paxton
last year), I can tell you it is at least 4 times as much fun as flying
alone. You'll enjoy it, Jeff.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Souders
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 7:39 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead Fly-in 2012
Hi, Kevin, thanks for the info. It would be a lot of fun flying up with
another Piet. If I decided to go and can get the time off I'll keep you guys
in mind.
Thanks
Jeff
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 2:52 PM, kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
wrote:
<kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
Hi Jeff - We plan to depart on Sunday, July 15th, putting us in
Markle/Chouinard-land that evening. They're near Tulsa. We had a great
time last year. They forced me to eat pizza and drink beer.
You're welcome to join up for as long as you can stand. My legs are short
due to my poor fuel tank planning/design. Works out perfect for ground stop
coordination with Shelley, though. Anyway, when you've had enough you can
simply fly ahead.
FYI, we also have a stop tentatively planned for Kansas City to see family.
All of this is, of course, contingent upon weather, maintenance, jobs and
the universe smiling on us.
Kevin Purtee
"Axel"
Husband of "IT Girl"
NX899KP
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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| Subject: | Re: wood prop balancing, torqing, and blade tracking |
Michael, the word is spelled bUy! Chuck
Please don't archive!
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Perez
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 7:31 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: wood prop balancing, torqing, and blade
tracking
Frankly, I have seen this prop. once it was re-finished and I
believe it looks horrible! Mike should just GIVE it to me and by
himself a new one.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead Fly-in 2012 |
I can't wait! The South-Central Scout Squadron is really starting to take shape!
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear
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| Subject: | wood prop balancing, torqing, and blade tracking |
Greg- 9" from the tip my one blade was about 3/16" out of track. After I d
id several iterations
of tightening, shimming, loosening, repeat I was able to get the track with
in about 1/32" of an inch
which is the closest I've ever had it to true. The paperwork that came wi
th my prop said 1/16" was
acceptable.
Mike P. is right, the finish was horrible but I still decided to keep it an
d not give the prop away. It is my
air conditioning system too.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | flying formation cross country and avgas prices |
I agree with Jack in that flying cross country with another Piet is really,
really enjoyable. It makes the
time go by faster and makes for some really good memories.
Being out of the flying loop for a while I didn't realize how expensive av
gas has gotten. I flew to a nearby
field yesterday and took 9.1 gallons and it ran $53.24. That's about 2
hours of flying time. Still way cheaper
than a big engine airplane but way more expensive than it was even 5 years
ago.
I calculated that newly certified Piet using a 65 hp Continental burning 4.
3 gph would cost the owner/pilot
just over $1,000 just to fly off the 40 hours of test flying time. No won
der I don't see too many little airplanes
burning up the skies around here anymore.
In the big scheme of things though us open cockpit pilots north of the Maso
n Dixon only fly about 20-35 hours
per summer so that's not a lot of fuel money when you compare it with hanga
r rent and insurance, oil, and beer
and pizza thrown in.
Mike C.
PS- Was a fun flight last night. 9 minutes (non-stop, unrefueled) to Elyr
ia Airport then 6 minutes back. No inflight
meal service was provided.
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| Subject: | Re: flying formation cross country and avgas prices |
Hey Michael, You only need 25 hrs with a certified engine like the cont 65.
=0ACheers, Gardiner=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFr
om: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.g
ov>=0ATo: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>=0AS
ent: Tue, May 15, 2012 11:09:52 AM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: flying format
ion cross country and avgas prices=0A=0A=0A =0AI agree with Jack in that fl
ying cross country with another Piet is really, =0Areally enjoyable. It ma
kes the=0Atime go by faster and makes for some really good memories. =0A
=0ABeing out of the flying loop for a while I didn=99t realize how e
xpensive avgas =0Ahas gotten. I flew to a nearby=0Afield yesterday and too
k 9.1 gallons and it ran $53.24. That=99s about 2 hours =0Aof fly
ing time. Still way cheaper=0Athan a big engine airplane but way more exp
ensive than it was even 5 years ago. =0A =0AI calculated that newly certifi
ed Piet using a 65 hp Continental burning 4.3 gph =0Awould cost the owner/p
ilot=0Ajust over $1,000 just to fly off the 40 hours of test flying time.
No wonder I =0Adon=99t see too many little airplanes=0Aburning up th
e skies around here anymore. =0A =0AIn the big scheme of things though us o
pen cockpit pilots north of the Mason =0ADixon only fly about 20-35 hours
=0Aper summer so that=99s not a lot of fuel money when you compare it
with hangar =0Arent and insurance, oil, and beer=0Aand pizza thrown in.
=0A =0AMike C.=0A =0A =0APS- Was a fun flight last night. 9 minutes (non-
stop, unrefueled) to Elyria =0AAirport then 6 minutes back. No inflight
=0Ameal service was provided.
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| Subject: | Re: flying formation cross country and avgas prices |
I hadn't flown my Pietenpol since last October and have been waiting for
some decent weather and temperatures all spring. Finally, on Sunday the
thirteenth it was obviously a "Pietenpol evening" and we went flying. It
was great to be "back in the saddle" again after being restricted to
closed-cabin airplanes for so long.
I have been using regular unleaded auto fuel in the Piet for a long
time. I drained it and replaced it with 100LL avgas last fall because
auto fuel isn't very stable and over time can gum up the carburetor.
When I flew the Piet the other evening I noticed that the engine
(C85-12F) generally ran better on 100LL. With auto fuel, it always
tended to buck a bit when initially increasing revs through the 1000 -
1300 RPM range. Once the engine was thoroughly warmed up this phenomenon
disappeared and engine operation was normal. With 100LL there was no
roughness or hesitation at all, even when the engine was not completely
warmed up. Possibly others have notice the same thing when using auto
fuel. Now that auto fuel contains ethanol and the amount of this stuff
per gallon will likely increase, we may have some real problems. This
does not bode well for the future, in my humble opinion.
The main incentive for using auto fuel is price. In US gallons, regular
auto fuel here is about $4.50 (+) per gallon and 100LL avgas is about
$6.00 (+) per gallon, and the trend is upward. As Mike C. observed,
there are fewer little airplanes "burning up the skies", here in
Alberta, Canada as well as where he lives. Having been flying for over
61 years, I fear I have seen the best of it--but still hope I am wrong.
Graham Hansen (Pietenpol CF-AUN)
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| Subject: | Re: flying formation cross country and avgas prices |
Correct me if I am wrong. (It has been known to happen.) But just because it was
originally a certified aircraft engine like a Continental 65, does not mean
it remains certified unless all the work done to it was by a properly certificated
A & P and all the records therefor are still with the engine. Or is it that
it can be recertified by having an A & P log it as still to original specifications?
Tom Stinemetze
N328X (one of these days)
>>> airlion <airlion@bellsouth.net> 5/15/2012 1:32 PM >>>
Hey Michael, You only need 25 hrs with a certified engine like the cont 65. Cheers,
Gardiner
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| Subject: | Re: flying formation cross country and avgas prices |
I believe the prop also has to be certified for that engine to use the 25hr
rule.
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 1:59 PM, TOM STINEMETZE <TOMS@mcpcity.com> wrote:
>
> Correct me if I am wrong. (It has been known to happen.) But just because
> it was originally a certified aircraft engine like a Continental 65, does
> not mean it remains certified unless all the work done to it was by a
> properly certificated A & P and all the records therefor are still with the
> engine. Or is it that it can be recertified by having an A & P log it as
> still to original specifications?
>
> Tom Stinemetze
> N328X (one of these days)
>
> >>> airlion <airlion@bellsouth.net> 5/15/2012 1:32 PM >>>
> Hey Michael, You only need 25 hrs with a certified engine like the cont
> 65. Cheers, Gardiner
>
>
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| Subject: | flying formation cross country and avgas prices |
But...If the Cont. 65 has ever been installed on a homebuilt before, it no
longer is a certified engine. I ran into this while installing a C-85 on my
J3 Cub. The engine had been on a flybaby for less than 10 hours (and it was
in the log book). So it had to be torn down and every part checked and
certified to make it a certified engine again and legal to install on the
Cub. After all, the insurance companies just love a screw-up like that so
they don't have to pay off in case of a claim. IOW, just because it looks
like a cont 65 does not mean that it is still certified.
Barry
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 2:32 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: flying formation cross country and avgas prices
Hey Michael, You only need 25 hrs with a certified engine like the cont 65.
Cheers, Gardiner
_____
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]"
<michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
Sent: Tue, May 15, 2012 11:09:52 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: flying formation cross country and avgas prices
I agree with Jack in that flying cross country with another Piet is really,
really enjoyable. It makes the
time go by faster and makes for some really good memories.
Being out of the flying loop for a while I didn't realize how expensive
avgas has gotten. I flew to a nearby
field yesterday and took 9.1 gallons and it ran $53.24. That's about 2
hours of flying time. Still way cheaper
than a big engine airplane but way more expensive than it was even 5 years
ago.
I calculated that newly certified Piet using a 65 hp Continental burning 4.3
gph would cost the owner/pilot
just over $1,000 just to fly off the 40 hours of test flying time. No
wonder I don't see too many little airplanes
burning up the skies around here anymore.
In the big scheme of things though us open cockpit pilots north of the Mason
Dixon only fly about 20-35 hours
per summer so that's not a lot of fuel money when you compare it with hangar
rent and insurance, oil, and beer
and pizza thrown in.
Mike C.
PS- Was a fun flight last night. 9 minutes (non-stop, unrefueled) to
Elyria Airport then 6 minutes back. No inflight
meal service was provided.
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| Subject: | certified engine/prop combination and avgas prices |
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| Subject: | Re: certified engine/prop combination and avgas prices |
Mike,
I think they call that particular condition: "filthy richness" :)
Ryan
do not archive
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 4:08 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE
CORP] <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> wrote:
> I paid $5.85 per gallon last night for 100LL. I can=92t imagine flyi
ng
> a thirsty plane like a twin engine or WWII one
>
> today!****
>
> ** **
>
> Mike C.****
>
> ** **
>
> do not archive****
>
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