---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 05/16/12: 20 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:21 AM - flying formation cross country and avgas prices (Oscar Zuniga) 2. 08:38 AM - Re: flying formation cross country and avgas prices (Andrew Eldredge) 3. 08:51 AM - Re: flying formation cross country and avgas prices (Ken Bickers) 4. 11:08 AM - Re: flying formation cross country and avgas prices (Graham Hansen) 5. 12:30 PM - Re: Avgas use in Continental A65 or A75 (Gerry Holland) 6. 02:37 PM - Close to covering (bender) 7. 02:54 PM - Re: Close to covering (brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com) 8. 03:01 PM - Re: Close to covering (shad bell) 9. 03:06 PM - Re: Re: Avgas use in Continental A65 or A75 (shad bell) 10. 03:31 PM - Re: Close to covering (Mario Giacummo) 11. 04:11 PM - Re: Close to covering (bender) 12. 04:16 PM - Re: Re: Avgas use in Continental A65 or A75 (Ryan Mueller) 13. 04:25 PM - aileron gap (Bob edson) 14. 06:22 PM - Re: Re: Close to covering (shad bell) 15. 06:32 PM - Re: Close to covering (Jack Phillips) 16. 06:37 PM - NX92GB just broke 300 hrs (shad bell) 17. 06:50 PM - Re: aileron gap (Dan Yocum) 18. 06:57 PM - Re: NX92GB just broke 300 hrs (Dan Yocum) 19. 07:06 PM - Re: NX92GB just broke 300 hrs (gboothe5@comcast.net) 20. 07:38 PM - Re: NX92GB just broke 300 hrs (kevinpurtee) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:21:20 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: flying formation cross country and avgas prices Graham=3B I am very curious to know what carb you have on your C85. My A65 with Stro mberg carb never did like auto gas as well as it did avgas=2C but the probl em I had with it was dribbling from the carb and flooding when trying to st art the engine using auto gas. I set up the float level very carefully=2C but there seems to be just enough difference between the viscosity or speci fic gravity of auto gas and avgas that the float level needs to be adjusted ever so slightly differently when running one vs. the other. I have since run the A65 and the A75 exclusively on 100LL but was thinking of trying au to gas on the A75 in case it was just the Stromberg on the 65 that didn't l ike auto gas. Cost of fuel is a minor factor=2C given the minimal number o f hours that I fly=2C but convenience is another matter. There is not avga s on the field at San Geronimo but there are gas stations up and down the h ighway from the field and it's far easier to get 5 gallons of auto gas than it is to fly to Castroville or Hondo to fuel up. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket" Medford/Ashland=2C OR website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:38:43 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: flying formation cross country and avgas prices From: Andrew Eldredge Speaking of Group flights to Broadhead. Is anyone considering making the trip from the mountain West. I'm THINKING about making the trip, with a probability less than 0.5. As long as I'm thinking, I thought I'd ask if anyone was flying from out this way or would be interested in linking up on the ground. -- Andrew Eldredge Provo, UT ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:51:15 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: flying formation cross country and avgas prices From: Ken Bickers Andrew, My son, Kevin, and I will be flying to Brodhead in our Pacer. Our Pietenpol project is at least another year from being ready to make the trip. We're in northern Colorado in Longmont. Weather-depending, we'll plan to head for Wisconsin on Thursday, July 19. I don't know if any of the local flyable or soon-to-be flyable Pietenpols will be there. I can check with Jack Greiner to see if he is flying in again this year. Likewise, I'll be happy to check with Rick Holland to see what his status is. Cheers, Ken Do Not Archive On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 9:37 AM, Andrew Eldredge wrote: > Speaking of Group flights to Broadhead. Is anyone considering making the > trip from the mountain West. I'm THINKING about making the trip, with a > probability less than 0.5. As long as I'm thinking, I thought I'd ask if > anyone was flying from out this way or would be interested in linking up on > the ground. > > -- > Andrew Eldredge > Provo, UT > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:08:38 AM PST US From: "Graham Hansen" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: flying formation cross country and avgas prices Oscar; The carburetor on my Piet's C85 is a Stromberg. It doesn't leak or overflow with auto gas, but does seem to run a bit rich when starting and warming up. Hence the roughness when increasing the revs through the 1000 to 1300 RPM range. Once it "clears its throat", so to speak, it operates normally. The specific gravity of our auto gas seems to be close to that of avgas and I use the specified float level for the Stromberg carbs. Perhaps the SG of auto gas is variable according to region and yours may differ from ours. I dunno. The addition of ethanol may affect the SG, too. My Wag-A-Bond's (Piper PA17 clone) A65 has a Stromberg carburetor and in 530 hours has never tasted avgas. I have been conducting an experiment to see how an A65 would do using auto gas exclusively. So far, so good. (It does exhibit the same behaviour as the C85 in the Pietenpol, but not to the same degree.) I agree with you in that the price difference between avgas and auto gas is not too significant considering the amount of fuel we use and it is often a matter of convenience when choosing one over the other. That said, I hate auto gas because it smells bad and stinks up everything it touches. Avgas has a pleasant odor; one of the smells that stimulate old aviators to go flying. Cheers, Graham Hansen (Pietenpol CF-AUN) ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:30:37 PM PST US From: Gerry Holland Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Avgas use in Continental A65 or A75 Oscar Hi! I use only Mogas (unleaded) in my Continental A75 with Stromberg Carb. No problems with performance or odd behaviour. I can and would use Avgas if that only available. ONly mixed the fuel on pick up but no problems. Regards Gerry ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:37:47 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Close to covering From: "bender" I think i'm getting close to taking it all apart and varnishing..then fabric.. Made a windshield for the back seat today. Lucked in to some "scrap" lexan for $5.. a 1 foot by 5 foot piece.. been fitting the cowling too.. a little metal shrinking around the edges to tighten things up.. Its gonna be weird not to see all those sticks.. jeff faith Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373169#373169 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/wpf_171.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/ws1_768.jpg ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:54:09 PM PST US From: brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Close to covering Looks great Jeff.....How long did it take to build, it seems like only 6 months. :) Brian SLC-Ut -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bender Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 3:37 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Close to covering --> I think i'm getting close to taking it all apart and varnishing..then fabric.. Made a windshield for the back seat today. Lucked in to some "scrap" lexan for $5.. a 1 foot by 5 foot piece.. been fitting the cowling too.. a little metal shrinking around the edges to tighten things up.. Its gonna be weird not to see all those sticks.. jeff faith Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373169#373169 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/wpf_171.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/ws1_768.jpg ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:01:16 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Close to covering 1 foot wide may not be wide enough, and I don't think 5 feet will fit under the wing unless you really lengthened your cabanes. - Just kidding ya, good to hear about all the progress you guys are making. - Shad > I think i'm getting close to taking it all apart and varnishing..then fabri c.. Made a windshield for the back seat today. Lucked in to some "scrap" lexan for $5.. a 1 foot by 5 foot piece.. been fitting the cowling too.. a little metal shrinking around the edges to tighten things up.. Its gonna be weird not to see all those sticks.. jeff faith Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373169#373169 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/wpf_171.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/ws1_768.jpg le, List Admin. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:06:25 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Avgas use in Continental A65 or A75 Do strombergs have any rubber seats, seals in them?- I have a old farmall tractor that I put a carb rebuild kit in a couple years ago, within 5 days the neoprene seat on the float valve swelled up and caused the float valve to stick closed, caused by alcohol in the fuel.- It's just a wild guess anymore if there is alchol in there or not, reguardless of what the pump sa ys. p.s. put the old brass seat back in and it ran like a top Shad Do not archive --- On Wed, 5/16/12, Gerry Holland wrote: From: Gerry Holland Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Avgas use in Continental A65 or A75 m.co.uk> Oscar Hi! I use only Mogas (unleaded) in my Continental A75 with Stromberg Carb. No problems with performance or odd behaviour. I can and would use Avgas if that only available. ONly mixed the fuel on pi ck up but no problems. Regards Gerry le, List Admin. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:31:19 PM PST US From: Mario Giacummo Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Close to covering Uau!!! what a place!!!!! very nice squeleton, congratulations. Mario Giacummo ... .. .-.. .- .- ...- . -. - ..- .-. .- . ... .--. . .-.. .. --. .-. --- ... .- --..-- .--. .-. --- -... .- .-.. .- .-. ..- - .. -. .- --..-- . ... -- --- .-. - .- .-.. !!!!! 2012/5/16 bender > jfaith@solairusaviation.com> > > I think i'm getting close to taking it all apart and varnishing..then > fabric.. > Made a windshield for the back seat today. Lucked in to some "scrap" lexan > for $5.. a 1 foot by 5 foot piece.. > been fitting the cowling too.. a little metal shrinking around the edges > to tighten things up.. > Its gonna be weird not to see all those sticks.. > > jeff faith > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373169#373169 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/wpf_171.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/ws1_768.jpg > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:11:12 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Close to covering From: "bender" i glued the first rib together on November 1st 2010.... so a year in a half in.. BTW its about 565 lbs right now it is a nice place... i work on corporate jets for a living and they are nice enough to let me use the space... that helps build time as its right there at work when the jet is out i'm kinda free jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373183#373183 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:16:49 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Avgas use in Continental A65 or A75 From: Ryan Mueller If I recall, depending on the last time/how the carb has been serviced, they could have Delrin (or maybe even neoprene) tipped float needles....those are not compatible with mogas, so one would need to change to a stainless steel needle. A little lapping in of the needle to the seat can help prevent/resolve leakage.... Ryan On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 5:05 PM, shad bell wrote: > Do strombergs have any rubber seats, seals in them? I have a old farmall > tractor that I put a carb rebuild kit in a couple years ago, within 5 days > the neoprene seat on the float valve swelled up and caused the float valve > to stick closed, caused by alcohol in the fuel. It's just a wild guess > anymore if there is alchol in there or not, reguardless of what the pump > says. > p.s. put the old brass seat back in and it ran like a top > Shad > Do not archive > > --- On *Wed, 5/16/12, Gerry Holland *wrote: > > > From: Gerry Holland > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Avgas use in Continental A65 or A75 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Date: Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 3:25 PM > > gholland@content-stream.co.uk > > > > Oscar Hi! > I use only Mogas (unleaded) in my Continental A75 with Stromberg Carb. > No problems with performance or odd behaviour. > I can and would use Avgas if that only available. ONly mixed the fuel on > pick up but no problems. > Regards > Gerry > ** > http://forums.matronbsp; - List Contribution Web Site -** > > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:25:22 PM PST US From: "Bob edson" Subject: Pietenpol-List: aileron gap We filled the gap to where we have 1/8/ inch gap.Is that enough or do we need to seal it completely, if so what is the best way. We ordered new bolts for the cabanes and wings and as soon as they arrive we can install the center section and wings. Getting closer to final assembly. Bob ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:22:21 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Close to covering Jeff, I also work on corporate jets (as of feb., was an airline guy), It mu st be handy having your project around during the day, to look at during th e down time and plan your next move day by day.- Looks nice, hope to meet you at Brodhead some day.- By the way send me an e-mail off list, If you ever need outbase service in Columbus Ohio give me a shout, and if you hav e the facilities I might be able to send you some work as well. - Shad do not archive --- On Wed, 5/16/12, bender wrote: From: bender Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Close to covering > i glued the first rib together on November 1st 2010.... so a year in a half in.. BTW its about 565 lbs right now it is a nice place... i work on corporate jets for a living and they are ni ce enough to let me use the space... that helps build time as its right the re at work when the jet is out i'm kinda free jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373183#373183 le, List Admin. ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:32:58 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Close to covering Looking GREAT, Jeff! Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bender Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 5:37 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Close to covering I think i'm getting close to taking it all apart and varnishing..then fabric.. Made a windshield for the back seat today. Lucked in to some "scrap" lexan for $5.. a 1 foot by 5 foot piece.. been fitting the cowling too.. a little metal shrinking around the edges to tighten things up.. Its gonna be weird not to see all those sticks.. jeff faith Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373169#373169 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/wpf_171.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/ws1_768.jpg ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:37:50 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Pietenpol-List: NX92GB just broke 300 hrs Well I got the flying bug this evening after I got home from work, needed s ome crosswind practice, and had 12-15 across the runway so I went.- I was looking at the tach about 10 min into the flight and noticed 3 tenths more is 300hrs.- So I flew down south at about a million mph, turned around a nd was almost keeping pace with the cars below.- I tried to 'hover" over the airport, but did not quite have the headwind (or horse power) to do it, so I flew the traffic pattern, and came around for a one wheeler and put h er away.- 300.0 hrs on the tach as she sits.- The house work ain't done , but I needed the vacation.- Saturday morning is a pankake Breakfast ove r in Delaware, OH-with Dad's EAA chapter-, so thats my only break for t his weekend.- I might have to tell 'The Boss", I got lost on the way home , and had to divert for a fuel stop if I get home a little later than plann ed.- After that its back to the grunt work.- - p.s.-To any Ohio piets within 1 hrs flight time of DLZ, they have the bes t-breakfst in town, at the airport, with airplanes, and they have coffee too! - Shad ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:50:20 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: aileron gap From: Dan Yocum Jack used duct tape. I've got blue painters tape (still). Some strips of le ather, pleather, or naugahyde rubber cemented in place will do the trick. A nd yes, seal 'em tight - it makes a world of difference. Dan -- Dan Yocum yocum137@gmail.com "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." On May 16, 2012, at 6:24 PM, "Bob edson" wrote: > We filled the gap to where we have 1/8/ inch gap.Is that enough or do we n eed to seal it completely, if so what is the best way. We ordered new bolts f or the cabanes and wings and as soon as they arrive we can install the cente r section and wings. Getting closer to final assembly. Bob ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:57:41 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NX92GB just broke 300 hrs From: Dan Yocum > p.s. To any Ohio piets within 1 hrs flight time of DLZ, they have the best breakfst in town, at the airport, with airplanes, and they have coffee too! > Does it taste like crap? It's only pancake breakfast worthy if it tastes li ke crap. Congrats on 300.00 hrs. That's pretty cool. I look at you and Bender and D on (my personal, sleepless, 4-child hero) and get to thinking that maybe I c an find the time to build a Piet, too. I think I'm closing in on the magic G ary from Cool rib count number. Hopefully, I can push through it... The pro blem is, of course, owning a perfectly fine flying Piet which usually takes u p any free time, already. Ah well, Dan Do not archive ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:06:19 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NX92GB just broke 300 hrs From: gboothe5@comcast.net SnVzdCByZW1lbWJlciwgRGFuOiAgVGhlIHJpYiBjb3VudCBpcyB3aGF0ZXZlciB5b3Ugc2F5IGl0 IGlzLi4ueW91J3JlIHRoZSBtYW51ZmFjdHVyZXIhDQoNClNoYWQgLSBDb25ncmF0dWxhdGlvbnMh IERvbid0IHdvcnJ5IGFib3V0IHRoZSBob3VzZSB3b3JrLi4uDQoNCkdhcnkgZnJvbSBDb29sDQpT ZW50IG9uIHRoZSBTcHJpbnTCriBOb3cgTmV0d29yayBmcm9tIG15IEJsYWNrQmVycnnCrg0KDQot LS0tLU9yaWdpbmFsIE1lc3NhZ2UtLS0tLQ0KRnJvbTogRGFuIFlvY3VtIDx5b2N1bTEzN0BnbWFp bC5jb20+DQpTZW5kZXI6IG93bmVyLXBpZXRlbnBvbC1saXN0LXNlcnZlckBtYXRyb25pY3MuY29t DQpEYXRlOiBXZWQsIDE2IE1heSAyMDEyIDIwOjU3OjE3IA0KVG86IHBpZXRlbnBvbC1saXN0QG1h dHJvbmljcy5jb208cGlldGVucG9sLWxpc3RAbWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbT4NClJlcGx5LVRvOiBwaWV0 ZW5wb2wtbGlzdEBtYXRyb25pY3MuY29tU3ViamVjdDogUmU6IFBpZXRlbnBvbC1MaXN0OiBOWDky R0IganVzdCBicm9rZSAzMDAgaHJzDQoNCg0K ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:38:08 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: NX92GB just broke 300 hrs From: "kevinpurtee" Congratulations, Shad! That's pretty darned cool. do not archive -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/San Marcos, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373201#373201 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.