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1. 12:53 AM - Re: aileron quick disconnect (Peter W Johnson)
2. 06:09 AM - cable cutting (Ralph)
3. 06:17 AM - Re: anticipated cruise? (Amsafetyc)
4. 06:41 AM - Tony Bingelis on cable cutting (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
5. 06:52 AM - Re: Tony Bingelis on cable cutting (TOM STINEMETZE)
6. 06:57 AM - Re: anticipated cruise? (rorichts)
7. 07:06 AM - Re: Tony Bingelis on cable cutting (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
8. 07:23 AM - Re: Covering problem? (Barry Davis)
9. 08:19 AM - Re: Tony Bingelis on cable cutting (K5YAC)
10. 08:23 AM - Re: Re: anticipated cruise? (RBush96589@aol.com)
11. 08:35 AM - Re: anticipated cruise? (rorichts)
12. 11:07 AM - Re: anticipated cruise? (Bill Church)
13. 11:52 AM - Re: Re: anticipated cruise? (Dan Yocum)
14. 12:47 PM - Re: Re: anticipated cruise? (Dan Yocum)
15. 01:35 PM - Re: Re: Covering problem? (H. Marvin Haught)
16. 01:59 PM - Re: Re: anticipated cruise? (Gary Boothe)
17. 06:56 PM - Re: anticipated cruise? (rorichts)
18. 07:11 PM - Re: cable cutting (Clif Dawson)
19. 07:44 PM - Re: cable cutting (kevinpurtee)
20. 07:49 PM - cable cutting (Oscar Zuniga)
21. 07:52 PM - Re: anticipated cruise? (kevinpurtee)
22. 09:04 PM - Re: Re: anticipated cruise? (RBush96589@aol.com)
23. 09:29 PM - Re: anticipated cruise? (j_dunavin)
24. 10:38 PM - Re: Re: anticipated cruise? (shad bell)
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| Subject: | aileron quick disconnect |
Paul,
I used the quick connect system on my Piet. The plans came from Jim Wills in
the UK.
Check out my web site for more details (http://www.cpc-world.com).
There are some pictures of the system on my web site. Have a look at page 9
of the photos and start at image IMG_0965.JPG, about half way down the page.
If I were to build another Piet, I would not bother with the quick connect.
It adds weight, complexity and is certainly not a QUICK connect system. It
works fine but it still takes two people an hour or so to remove and pack up
the wings. If you have a hangar then they are not needed.
Hope that helps.
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
http://www.cpc-world.com
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nightmare
Sent: Thursday, 24 May 2012 10:20 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: aileron quick disconnect
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I read somewhere about how the brits have a aileron quick disconnect system
to ease in removing wings. anyone know where i can get the plans for it?
Thanks; Paul
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Thanks to all who responded to my question. It is what I really like
about this group. I tried one by cutting with my side grinder cut off
wheel. It worked but still a little sticky. I hope to pick up a cut
off wheel for my dremel tool this weekend. Happy flying and building to
all.
Ralph
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| Subject: | Re: anticipated cruise? |
Greetings new to the group and welcome.
I can't tell you about average corvair performance however it would be nice if
you told us a bit about yourself.
Like who are you a real name
Where are you located
Tail number
Who's Piet you're buying
Will you be attending Brodhead this year
Just some basics would be nice, not required but nice information
Thanks
John Recine
NX895JR reserved
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On May 24, 2012, at 11:30 PM, "rorichts" <stolflite@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Greetings
> New to the group, glad to be on board.
> I am in the process of buying a completed Piet. with a Corvair for the power
plant.
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> What can or should I expect for a cruise rpm and cruise speed?
> I realize the prop impacts the outcome but I'm looking for averages so I can
determine what length and pitch should be used.
> Thank you in advance for you patience and help
> Your input is appreciated
> regards
> rich
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| Subject: | Tony Bingelis on cable cutting |
My Uncle Tony.....er...okay..well Tony's books give some great alternatives
to cutting cables, all of which
have been covered here but I liked the bike shop cable cutting tool idea as
the best bang for the buck.
What strikes me about this list is that pre-Matronics Pietenpol list (when
I was starting to build my Pietenpol)
I really only had the Bingelis books to answer my questions and hands down,
I could have built the Pietenpol
without ever having the Matronics list because of the vast and complete inf
ormation contained in those books.
Thankfully we have both sources of great homebuilding info. (and many more
thanks to the internet)
I used to love hearing the old wives tales about what I should or shouldn't
do on certain parts of the airplane and
then finding out they were way off base after reading up on the subject in
the Bingelis books.
Okay, that's enough of my monthly sales pitch for my Uncle Tony's books:)
Mike C.
Best $89 dollars you'll ever spend on building your airplane. http://w
ww.shopeaa.com/bingelissetof4.aspx
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| Subject: | Re: Tony Bingelis on cable cutting |
"Uncle Tony" eh? Do you also have an "uncle" Vinney or Guiedo? That
might explain how you were able to win a fancy award with a Pietenpol.
Just kidding. Your airplane is a winner in anybody's book.
Tom Stinemetze
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Okay, thats enough of my monthly sales pitch for my Uncle Tonys
booksJ
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: anticipated cruise? |
Amsafetyc wrote:
> Greetings new to the group and welcome.
>
> I can't tell you about average corvair performance however it would be nice if
you told us a bit about yourself.
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> Like who are you a real name Robert Richtsmeier
> Where are you located Ackley Iowa
> Tail number don't have
> Who's Piet you're buying still working with owner so not at liberty
> Will you be attending Brodhead this year hope to fly in if I buy and get these
unanswered issues solved the plane has performance problem but interested in
plane anyway and sure they can be overcome
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> Just some basics would be nice, not required but nice information
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> Thanks
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> John Recine
> NX895JR reserved
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> Robert
> anwers about the expected performance would be helpful so i can make the correct
decisions to get the plane performance up to par would be nice also
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> Do not archine
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> On May 24, 2012, at 11:30 PM, "rorichts" wrote:
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> > New to the group, glad to be on board.
> > I am in the process of buying a completed Piet. with a Corvair for the power
plant.
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> > What can or should I expect for a cruise rpm and cruise speed?
> > I realize the prop impacts the outcome but I'm looking for averages so I can
determine what length and pitch should be used.
> > Thank you in advance for you patience and help
> > Your input is appreciated
> > regards
> > rich
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| Subject: | Tony Bingelis on cable cutting |
Ah yes, good ole Uncle Tony Tom. He was very, very good to me:)
I'm not Italian, don't even know any Mafia members (that I know of) but just a
middle
aged Hungarian-Slovak from Cleveland who likes ethnic food and polka music!
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Covering problem? |
You are putting way, way too much on! The first coats are put on with foam
brushes and the reason for 2 light cross coats (4 coats) is to fill the
weave. Don't try to fill the weave on the first coat as you will add pounds
to the airplane and have difficulty just like you are having.
Barry
NX973BP
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Rusch
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 8:54 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Covering problem?
--> <rmdinfo@rmdbenders.com>
I am covering my tail feathers at the moment with SS. everything was going
great until the application of the ecofill. The problem i ran into is
ecofill saturating the fabric and building up on the structure underneath
the fabric. Now that its dry, as i try sanding the surface i run into these
clumps of primer just underneath the fabric stuck to the wood structure and
i almost sand thru the fabric instantly! Anybody else run into this? I was
thinking of taking the small iron and try to mash it flat but im afraid the
fabric will stick.....obviously i put the ecofill on too thick.........it
sure didnt seem like it when i was doing it though.
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NX321LR
Fully Assembled less covering
Mistubishi Powered
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| Subject: | Re: Tony Bingelis on cable cutting |
Oh yeah, you know one Mike... that cutthroat gelato pusher from Amish country.
I hear that he might be bringing some reinforcements this year... a real tough
guy. He eats Wisconsin brats in one bite and I hear that his favorite flavor
of gelato is Birra Calda e Lime.
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear
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| Subject: | Re: anticipated cruise? |
welcome to the group Robert,
I fly a corvair powered piet. I cruise at about 2400 to 2500 rpm with a
cruise speed of around 75 to 80 mph. that is with a tn. prop. 64/34 prop.
climb is around 400 to 600 fpm depending on the air.
Randy Bush
NX294RB
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| Subject: | Re: anticipated cruise? |
[quote="RBush96589(at)aol.com"]welcome to the group Robert,
I fly a corvair powered piet. I cruise at about 2400 to 2500 rpm with a cruise
speed of around 75 to 80 mph. that is with a tn. prop. 64/34 prop. climb is
around 400 to 600 fpm depending on the air.
Randy Bush
NX294RB
> [b]
Randy
Thanks that is very useful help now I can compare with what is being offered and
see what I need to do differently. If anyone else would care to chime in it
would be appreciated
regards
robert
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| Subject: | Re: anticipated cruise? |
Welcome to the group Robert.
But, if I might make a suggestion, have a little patience.
I think you posted your question yesterday, and then removed it, due to lack of
response, not even a day later, with the comment "disappointing". I don't know
what sort of response time you were expecting, but it must have been pretty
short.
So now, since you removed the question from your post, your message doesn't even
have a question for anyone to respond to.
One other thing to keep in mind is that every Pietenpol will perform slightly differently,
due to the huge number of variables in play. First off, every Piet
is hand made, and many if not all builders make some modifications (some tiny,
and some huge) when building. There is a wide variety of powerplant options,
but also propeller options as well. Wheels and landing gear also vary greatly
(affecting the weight and drag). Probably the best single indicator (though not
guaranteed) of good performance in a Pietenpol is the weight. The lighter the
plane, the better it will likely perform.
Good luck with your potential purchase.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: anticipated cruise? |
I know what he was expecting! He was expecting me to reply with a link to http://lmgtfy.com/q?corvair+cruise+site%3matronics.com like all the other dunderheads get when they ask questions that can answered easily with their favorite search engine. Well, in my defense, I'm on vacation writing haikus instead, so I'm a little behind.
--
Dan Yocum
yocum137@gmail.com
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| Subject: | Re: anticipated cruise? |
You're right. I'm sorry. I shouldn't have just blatantly called Robert a dunderhead.
That was uncalled for. I should have waited for cooler heads to prevail.
Robert - you can still use Google to search on "corvair performance site:matronics.com"
to find what you're interested in.
Good luck with your purchase.
Dan
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Dan Yocum
yocum137@gmail.com
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
On May 25, 2012, at 2:06 PM, "Bill Church" <billspiet@sympatico.ca> wrote:
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> Welcome to the group Robert.
>
> But, if I might make a suggestion, have a little patience.
>
> I think you posted your question yesterday, and then removed it, due to lack
of response, not even a day later, with the comment "disappointing". I don't know
what sort of response time you were expecting, but it must have been pretty
short.
> So now, since you removed the question from your post, your message doesn't even
have a question for anyone to respond to.
> One other thing to keep in mind is that every Pietenpol will perform slightly
differently, due to the huge number of variables in play. First off, every Piet
is hand made, and many if not all builders make some modifications (some tiny,
and some huge) when building. There is a wide variety of powerplant options,
but also propeller options as well. Wheels and landing gear also vary greatly
(affecting the weight and drag). Probably the best single indicator (though
not guaranteed) of good performance in a Pietenpol is the weight. The lighter
the plane, the better it will likely perform.
>
> Good luck with your potential purchase.
>
> Bill C.
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>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373910#373910
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| Subject: | Re: Covering problem? |
You can smooth down pinked edges and rough spots with the iron, but you have to
sand out clumps. But don't sand until you have a couple of more coats on -
then what you can do is keep putting coats just over the clumps and sand until
they disappear - in other words, keep applying ekofill to the trouble area and
sanding it off until the clump disappears. You will also need to sand out the
brush strokes or they will telegraph through the finish coat. The iron does
soften the EkoFill but does not really melt it.
M. Haught
On May 24, 2012, at 10:16 AM, Chris Rusch wrote:
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> Looks like i missed the wetting step..........I went right to applying the ekofill.
After reading your attachment, i went WAY too heavy cause i can see brush
strokes. I think the parts are savable cause you only feel the globs if you
push on the fabric, you cant see them otherwise. What will happen if i use a
piece of teflon fabric and push on the iron over the clumps? I would think it
would melt the primer clump and flatten it. I really do not want to recover.......i
did a really good job on the taping.
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> Fully Assembled less covering
> Mistubishi Powered
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| Subject: | Re: anticipated cruise? |
Robert,
My Corvair powered Piet is not yet in the air, so I cannot answer your
question. Keep in mind that there are only a handful of those flying right
now, and not everyone monitors the list on a daily basis. It's not unusual
to see responses 2 weeks later!
You mentioned some performance problems. Maybe, if you were a little more
specific, you might be able to tap into the vast knowledge base of a broader
group. There are some issues that are common, no matter what the power
plant, that can be overcome with rigging, W&B, etc. Throw it out there.....
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 11:07 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: anticipated cruise?
--> <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
Welcome to the group Robert.
But, if I might make a suggestion, have a little patience.
I think you posted your question yesterday, and then removed it, due to lack
of response, not even a day later, with the comment "disappointing". I don't
know what sort of response time you were expecting, but it must have been
pretty short.
So now, since you removed the question from your post, your message doesn't
even have a question for anyone to respond to.
One other thing to keep in mind is that every Pietenpol will perform
slightly differently, due to the huge number of variables in play. First
off, every Piet is hand made, and many if not all builders make some
modifications (some tiny, and some huge) when building. There is a wide
variety of powerplant options, but also propeller options as well. Wheels
and landing gear also vary greatly (affecting the weight and drag). Probably
the best single indicator (though not guaranteed) of good performance in a
Pietenpol is the weight. The lighter the plane, the better it will likely
perform.
Good luck with your potential purchase.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: anticipated cruise? |
Thanks to all who have shared each in his own way, and I'll leave it at that.
The replies have provided helpful info can and will be added to what I have learned
additionally from a friend that stopped by the hanger this evening.
With the input shared on prop size and pitch I now know what was on the plane was
not right, so it is the first thing to address..
One thing I have learned was the carb. originally used was not large enough.
and it did not have carb. heat , now has both.
will get new prop install carb and hook up carb heat and test from there
regards
rich
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| Subject: | Re: cable cutting |
Don't forget to buy the good fibre ones. Those
tan, clay looking cheapo dremel ones fracture
apart if you just happen to look at them the wrong
way.
Clif
A mile of road will take you a mile, but a mile of runway will take you
anywhere!
----- Original Message -----
From: Ralph
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 6:08 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: cable cutting
Thanks to all who responded to my question. It is what I really like
about this group. I tried one by cutting with my side grinder cut off
wheel. It worked but still a little sticky. I hope to pick up a cut
off wheel for my dremel tool this weekend. Happy flying and building to
all.
Ralph
No virus found in this message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
05/25/12
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| Subject: | Re: cable cutting |
I chew through mine.
Now lets talk about work tables and wing rib jigs.
(sorry)
do not archive
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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I took a page out of The Fisherman's book and went down to Harbor Freight f
or my cable cutters.
http://www.harborfreight.com/10-inch-cable-cutter-40507.html
On sale for $5.99 at the moment=2C and supposed to be good for cable up to
7/8".
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket"
Medford=2C OR
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: anticipated cruise? |
Been working my butt off in the hangar on my corvair powered piet that I fly a
lot and on which I've used two different props. As a result, I haven't had a
chance to check the list. Alas, now the questions are gone and I can't answer.
Disappointing.
Thank goodness there's a friend who stops by and dispenses advice.
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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| Subject: | Re: anticipated cruise? |
Robert,
some other things you may want to look into on this plane are what was
done to the corvair to convert it for aircraft use. if it is a straight out
of the car bolt on to the plane engine using the blower fan and belt for
cooling you are not going to get the power or performance of one using the
latest up to date conversion techniques.
I also would not feel safe flying behind it.things like forged pistons,a
different cam and the right head work in my opinion are a must to make it
close to a reliable aircraft engine.
the impression i get from what you are saying with no carb heat and the
wrong carb this guy may not know what it takes to make a corvair a safe
aircraft engine. I would investigate a little harder before I made a purchase.
Randy Bush
NX294RB
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| Subject: | Re: anticipated cruise? |
RBush96589
what do you get for fuel burn?
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| Subject: | Re: anticipated cruise? |
The only advise I can offer is: If you are really concerned with performanc
e numbers, a piet is not the right airplane.- It is no more than a putt p
utt machine.- It may cruise between 70-80 mph, 4-6 gallons per hour, will
lift 2, 180-200 lbs persons, and will not climb like the space shuttle.-
I am currently flying a corvair piet, get an honest 78-82 mph cruise on 5.
5 -6 gph.- The only high performance number I have is on the fun scale.
- I average about a 8-10 out of 10 on every flight.- usually about a 6-
7 after about 200 miles of time in the saddle.- Yes a corvair generally g
ives a higher cruise, climb performance, but with about a 2 gph cost.- Ho
pe this helps.
-
Shad
Do not archive-
--- On Fri, 5/25/12, rorichts <stolflite@gmail.com> wrote:
From: rorichts <stolflite@gmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: anticipated cruise?
Amsafetyc wrote:
> Greetings new to the group and welcome.
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> I can't tell you about average corvair performance however it would be ni
ce if you told us a bit about yourself.
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> Like who are you a real name---Robert Richtsmeier
> Where are you located- - - - - - - Ackley Iowa
> Tail number- don't have
> Who's Piet you're buying- - - - - - ---still working wi
th owner so not at liberty
> Will you be attending Brodhead this year- hope to fly in if I buy and g
et these unanswered issues solved the plane has performance problem but int
erested in plane anyway and sure they can be overcome
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> Just some basics would be nice, not required but nice information
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> Thanks
>
> John Recine
> NX895JR reserved
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> Robert
> anwers about the expected performance would be helpful so i can make the
correct decisions to get the plane performance up to par would be nice also
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> Do not archine
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> On May 24, 2012, at 11:30 PM, "rorichts"- wrote:
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> >- Greetings
> >- New to the group, glad to be on board.
> >- I am in the process of buying a completed Piet. with a Corvair for t
he power plant.
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> >- What can or should I expect for a cruise rpm and cruise speed?
> >- I realize the prop impacts the outcome but I'm looking for averages
so I can determine what length and pitch should be used.
> >- Thank you in advance for you patience and help
> >- Your input is appreciated
> >- regards
> >- rich
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