Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Tue 05/29/12


Total Messages Posted: 16



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     1. 03:20 AM - Re: Re: Eyebrow template (Mario Giacummo)
     2. 03:22 AM - Re: Re: anticipated cruise? (helspersew@aol.com)
     3. 05:38 AM - Re: anticipated cruise? (Bill Church)
     4. 06:28 AM - Eyebrow template (Joe Street)
     5. 11:25 AM - EAA Chapter 1279 Pietenpol Update (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
     6. 12:56 PM - Loose brass fitting (helspersew@aol.com)
     7. 01:15 PM - Re: Re: anticipated cruise? (helspersew@aol.com)
     8. 01:19 PM - Re: Loose brass fitting (Jerry Dotson)
     9. 01:41 PM - Taxi testing NX510JD (Jerry Dotson)
    10. 01:59 PM - Re: Re: anticipated cruise? (Gary Boothe)
    11. 02:07 PM - Re: Taxi testing NX510JD (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
    12. 03:17 PM - Re: Loose brass fitting (tools)
    13. 03:23 PM - Re: Taxi testing NX510JD (Jack Phillips)
    14. 04:00 PM - Re: Re: anticipated cruise? (shad bell)
    15. 05:44 PM - Great Weekend (Jack Phillips)
    16. 05:59 PM - Re: Great Weekend (Jerry Dotson)
 
 
 


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    Time: 03:20:05 AM PST US
    From: Mario Giacummo <mario.giacummo@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Eyebrow template
    Here I hace a very good pattern, you can upload it with any graphic program, and print in the size you want. Regards [image: Im=E1genes integradas 1] Mario Giacummo ... .. .-.. .- .- ...- . -. - ..- .-. .- . ... .--. . .-.. .. --. .-. --- ... .- --..-- .--. .-. --- -... .- .-.. .- .-. ..- - .. -. .- --..-- . ... -- --- .-. - .- .-.. !!!!! 2012/5/28 Bill Church <billspiet@sympatico.ca> > billspiet@sympatico.ca> > > Joe, > > I don't think there's a PDF file available for the patterns. > There was a link recently for a set of full size plans, available for sal e > at a very reasonable price, from the Cub Club, but you do have to be a > member of the Club to be able to buy them. > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=88858&highlight=eyebrow > Also, a few years ago, Chuck Gantzer was selling full size patterns. Not > sure if they're still available. > http://nx770cg.com/Video.html > Bill C. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374107#374107 > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > >


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    Time: 03:22:46 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: anticipated cruise?
    From: helspersew@aol.com
    The industrial fish scale WILL be at Brodhead this year! Dan Helsper Poplar Grove IL. do not archive -----Original Message----- From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> Sent: Sat, May 26, 2012 6:29 pm Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: anticipated cruise? Sorry, Dan. Brodhead is not in the cards this year. Dan=99s scales go back to him next week. Being a man of immense character, I=99m sure Dan cannot be bribed to bring the scales; although, for a beer or two, he m ay be enticed.or, you could just ask! Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2012 2:59 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: anticipated cruise? 300! Sweet! Bring Dan's big fish scale to Brodhead and let's throw it on N 8031, too. Dan -- Dan Yocum yocum137@gmail.com "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." On May 26, 2012, at 9:02 AM, "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote: Malcolm, Interesting chart!! I just did a thrust test last weekend. My prop is hand- carved with a target of 66-34. I cannot be sure that=99s exactly what I have. Static rpm = 2750 / 300 lbs. Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gliderx5@comcast.net Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2012 5:21 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: anticipated cruise? On a related note, has anyone done a thrust test on their Corvair Piet? I collected what info I could gather a few years back pertaining to Corvair P iet performance and props. It is on the site below, but the only static th rust number that I could find were on KR-2s or test engines. http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123/engine_test.html Malcolm http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123/Airplanes.htm From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 10:51:57 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: anticipated cruise? il> Been working my butt off in the hangar on my corvair powered piet that I fl y a lot and on which I've used two different props. As a result, I haven't had a chance to check the list. Alas, now the questions are gone and I ca n't answer. Disappointing. Thank goodness there's a friend who stops by and dispenses advice. do not archive -------- Kevin &quot;Axel&quot; Purtee NX899KP Austin/San Marcos, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373973#373973 http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========= >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========= cs.com ========= matronics.com/contribution ========= http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -========================


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    Time: 05:38:07 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: anticipated cruise?
    From: "Bill Church" <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
    Dan, Just to be clear, is that a single heavy duty scale off the side of a fish, or is it a tool used to weigh industrial fish? BC do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374151#374151


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    Time: 06:28:27 AM PST US
    From: Joe Street <jstreet@uwaterloo.ca>
    Subject: Eyebrow template
    Thanks Oscar and Bill for the response I did check the cub club, but though the pattern is not expensive, I am not a member. I may still pay the membership fee just to get the drawing but since I am so cheap I'll wait and see if I can get a pattern another way! To answer your question Oscar I am in SW Ontario. I have a set of eyebrows from the original builder which aren't too pretty but I guess do the job so I can trace out something from them and modify a little but was hoping to just find someone here who had laid out a pattern already. Or if there is anybody on this list who is a cub club member I could maybe reimburse them using pay pal if they could order me the drawings.... The other option I was considering since I read so much about the metal ones developing cracks was to make a composite set, but that doesn't really suit this airplane very well having composites on it. Joe


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    Time: 11:25:47 AM PST US
    From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
    Subject: EAA Chapter 1279 Pietenpol Update
    Of possible interest-I'm forwarding this from the group who brought their b are-bones Pietenpol all the way from California a few years ago to display at Brodhead and Oshkosh. They are making good progress! Mike C. Dear Members, For all of you who have been following our progress on the Pietenpol Air Ca mper that has been under construction by our Saturday morning workshop crew for the past 7 years, you will be very happy to learn that we consider our selves to be in the "home stretch," nearing the finish line. Nearly all of 2011 was spent covering and rib lacing the wing, tail surface s, and fuselage. As you may remember from my last update, the final two we eks of last year were spent painting the whole project. So we began this y ear by reassembling the airplane for the final time. Our local DAR, John S hablow, advised us that we should get the paperwork started with FAA, as it could take up to 90 days to get it registered. For the first step, we wan ted to secure an N number for the airplane that would reflect the connectio n to our EAA chapter. Unfortunately, N1279 was already taken. In order to incorporate the "1279" chapter number, we would have to add a suffix. So we chose "Z," just 'cause "79 Zulu" kind of rolls off the tongue when spoke n over the radio. This morning (Saturday, May 26, 2012) we preformed a preliminary "weight an d balance" of the airplane (see photos below). Empty weight of the airplan e (with minimal work left to do on the engine and airframe) was measured at 727 lbs. (no fuel and no pilot). It takes considerable focus on weight re duction to get the empty weight of a Pietenpol under 650 lbs. And there ar e Piets with no electrical and no brakes that top 700 lbs empty weight. Wi th a full electrical system including starter motor, radio, and intercom, h ydrolic brakes, and a stearable tailwheel, we were expecting to be around 8 00 lbs. So we were delighted with an empty weight under 730 lbs. With a 170 lb. pilot our calculations put the CG at 18.5 inches aft of the leading edge of the wing. This falls within the CG design limits of 15" to 20" aft of the leading edge. Nonetheless, simply moving the wing aft 1" w ould put the CG right in the middle of the CG range. It is something worth considering. I should stress, however, that these were only preliminary c alculations using simple bathroom scales. There are a few things left to d o on the airplane. So we will give it careful consideration before making any modifications to our current configuration. Of course, the final weigh t and balance will be performed using aircraft scales when the airplane is "flight ready." As you can see in the photos below we have added our chapter logo to the si de of the fuselage as well as the N number on the tail. We are not too far from taxi testing and first flight, so stay tuned. Steve Williamson, Pres. EAA Chapter 1279 French Valley [cid:X.MA1.1338094878@aol.com] Dave McPhee and Dave Winsett measure the pilot location [cid:X.MA2.1338094878@aol.com] Dave McPhee performs CG calculations with Art supervising [cid:X.MA3.1338094878@aol.com] Final Configuation [cid:X.MA4.1338094878@aol.com] "NX1279Z" ready for taxi [cid:X.MA5.1338094878@aol.com] "Air Camper" valve covers were a gift from William Wynne


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    Time: 12:56:48 PM PST US
    Subject: Loose brass fitting
    From: helspersew@aol.com
    "Forget the intrusion good people!", I am up in Poplar Grove this week doing some flight testing after having fi nished the in-stall of my new fuel tank. All is well with the tank and maki ng some more progress with the flying. Logged three hours yesterday alone. Finally learning how to land her properly. Next flight- 50 lbs bag of sand in the front. When I came down yesterday I noticed a big oil leak, coating the entire bel ly of the airplane, clear back to the tailwheel. Inspection of the inside o f the cowling revealed the source from just under the nose cone. I then rem oved the engine cowl completely in order to do the inspection. To my surpri se, I saw a completely unscrewed brass nut from a brass fittings ( ferrule, copper tube) non-pressurized oil return line (from the valve chamber down back to the oil pan). Could I have neglected to tighten that from last spr ing? I am thinking that was unlikely, but not impossible. Has anyone ever heard of one of those (properly torqued) coming loose from vibration? It kind of scared me so I elected to apply some Locktite when I reassembled. Any thoughts? Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL


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    Time: 01:15:29 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: anticipated cruise?
    From: helspersew@aol.com
    Bill, It is indeed the scale specifically designed to weigh the entire fish of th e industrial variety, but is also ideally suited to measure the thrust of a Pietenpol when configured in the horizontal position and tied to a tree. I think it would be fun to do a test of any and all the Piets that show up a t Brodhead. Not the end-all performance measurement, but I think a useful s et of data for Piet builders. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL do not archive -----Original Message----- From: Bill Church <billspiet@sympatico.ca> Sent: Tue, May 29, 2012 7:38 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: anticipated cruise? > Dan, ust to be clear, is that a single heavy duty scale off the side of a fish, or s it a tool used to weigh industrial fish? BC do not archive ead this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374151#374151 -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -========================


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    Time: 01:19:17 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Loose brass fitting
    From: "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson@centurylink.net>
    Dan, My thoughts are failed to tighten it....maybe finger tight. I worked 40 years on 2000 to 15,000 hp engines with tons of compression fittings, mainly TyLock and Swagelock. Never saw one loosen up. I saw lots of fatigue cracks and some outright breaks of the tubing. There was a lot of vibration on those bad boys. The turbines would develop high frequency vibration too. That's my $0.02 -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 thru covering and painting, now in final assembly 21&quot; wheels Lycoming O-235 C2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374204#374204


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    Time: 01:41:43 PM PST US
    Subject: Taxi testing NX510JD
    From: "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson@centurylink.net>
    I taxied my Piet over the weekend........life is good. I am going to have to get a DAR ($500)to do the certification. FSDO in Birmingham just flat told me they were not doing it. Excuse was don't have the money for gas! I am on slow burn right now. I have an issue....static I think. When I run the engine up some say 1500 rpm the airspeed shows about 20 mph sitting still. I did not run a static line, just vented inside the panel. Reckon I could run a line out the bottom of the panel into the cockpit and solve the problem? That is the only issue I had. The airplane taxied great. The engine ran fine. I got a 2300 rpm static from the Cloudcars 76 X 44 prop. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 thru covering and painting, now in final assembly 21&quot; wheels Lycoming O-235 C2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374206#374206 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/a43_123.jpg


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    Time: 01:59:43 PM PST US
    From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: anticipated cruise?
    Also works when tied to an F250, although I think I saw some skid marks..you'll want run those on a clean concrete pad. Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of helspersew@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 1:15 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: anticipated cruise? Bill, It is indeed the scale specifically designed to weigh the entire fish of the industrial variety, but is also ideally suited to measure the thrust of a Pietenpol when configured in the horizontal position and tied to a tree. I think it would be fun to do a test of any and all the Piets that show up at Brodhead. Not the end-all performance measurement, but I think a useful set of data for Piet builders. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL do not archive -----Original Message----- From: Bill Church <billspiet@sympatico.ca> Sent: Tue, May 29, 2012 7:38 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: anticipated cruise? Dan, Just to be clear, is that a single heavy duty scale off the side of a fish, or is it a tool used to weigh industrial fish? BC do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374151#374151 " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List p://forums.matronics.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution


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    Time: 02:07:32 PM PST US
    From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
    Subject: Taxi testing NX510JD
    Jerry--congratulations on that big step! With regard to your ASI showing speed when you're not moving try to plug your static port with a fitting of any kind and drilling a pin hole thru it to vent it. That should help it to read fine and not be as prone to cockpit wind issues. Maybe you have an open instrument panel bay too, dunno but try plugging first. I just use d a nylon fitting for the 1/4" airspeed lines and plugged it with a screw and drilled a pin hole thru the side of the fitting. Worked like a charm. Mike C. [cid:image001.png@01CD3DBD.67BDFCF0]


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    Time: 03:17:44 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Loose brass fitting
    From: "tools" <n0kkj@yahoo.com>
    Dan, Are you talking the type of nut in a compression fitting? There's lots of them on my tractors in the oil system and I've never seen one come loose from vibration. A very similar engine to the ford, simple water cooled gas burning 4 cyl 1900rpm engine, banging around with no suspension, since the 40's. My plane has quite a few of them in the individual cylinder priming system (A65) and haven't seen one come loose there either. On all of them I've worked on, I've always made of point of not making them very tight either. If you did just hand tighten it a year ago, it's quite possible it held till now! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374216#374216


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    Time: 03:23:59 PM PST US
    From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Taxi testing NX510JD
    Maybe it's just getting excited! Do Not Archive Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Dotson Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 4:41 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Taxi testing NX510JD <jdotson@centurylink.net> I taxied my Piet over the weekend........life is good. I am going to have to get a DAR ($500)to do the certification. FSDO in Birmingham just flat told me they were not doing it. Excuse was don't have the money for gas! I am on slow burn right now. I have an issue....static I think. When I run the engine up some say 1500 rpm the airspeed shows about 20 mph sitting still. I did not run a static line, just vented inside the panel. Reckon I could run a line out the bottom of the panel into the cockpit and solve the problem? That is the only issue I had. The airplane taxied great. The engine ran fine. I got a 2300 rpm static from the Cloudcars 76 X 44 prop. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 thru covering and painting, now in final assembly 21&quot; wheels Lycoming O-235 C2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374206#374206 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/a43_123.jpg


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    Time: 04:00:25 PM PST US
    From: shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: anticipated cruise?
    Dont forget to leave the truck in 1st gear or they seem to become a trailer .=C2- =C2- Shad do not archive --- On Tue, 5/29/12, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote: From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: anticipated cruise? Also works when tied to an F250, although I think I saw some skid marks .you=99ll want run those on a clean concrete pad =C2- Gary Boothe NX308MB =C2- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of helspersew@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 1:15 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: anticipated cruise? =C2- Bill, =C2- It is indeed the scale specifically designed to weigh=C2-the entire fish =C2-of the industrial variety, but is also ideally suited=C2-to measure the thrust of a Pietenpol when configured in the horizontal position and t ied to a tree. I think it would be fun to do a test of any and all the Piet s that show up at Brodhead. Not the end-all performance measurement, but I think a useful set of data for Piet builders. =C2- Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL =C2- do not archive -----Original Message----- From: Bill Church <billspiet@sympatico.ca> Sent: Tue, May 29, 2012 7:38 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: anticipated cruise? > =C2-Dan,Just to be clear, is that a single heavy duty scale off the sid e of a fish, or is it a tool used to weigh industrial fish? =C2-BC =C2- do not archive =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-Read this topic online here: =C2 -http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374151#374151 =C2- =C2 - =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-" target=_blank>http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listp://forums.matronics.comblank>http://www.matr onics.com/contribution =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-http://www.matroni cs.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comhttp://www.matron ics.com/contribution =C2-


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    Time: 05:44:04 PM PST US
    From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Great Weekend
    Had a wonderful weekend at Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia, nestled up against the Blue Ridge Mountains (where Karen and I will soon be building a home, once we=92ve closed on our house in Raleigh NC ' the Pietenpol is already based in our hangar there). We are adding a back porch and tool shed to the hangar, but took a break from the work briefly on Sunday afternoon to do a little low and slow aviating. Karen took these pictures from our Pietenpol: This one shows the view right after takeoff, climbing out over the lake. Smith Mountain is in the distance. The dam that forms Smith Mountain Lake is in the notch in the mountain, damming the Roanoke River, and creating a 22,000 acre lake with 500 miles of shoreline. It was a beautiful flight, with smooth air, light winds and nearly 100=B0 temeratures (density altitude was well over 3,000=92 and we were just below gross weight ' climb rate was about 150 fpm). This photo shows our hangar at the top, with our half-finished porch on the back side. The house you see (with the small hangar and the dead Cherokee Arrow) belongs to our next door neighbors. Ours will be built near the joggle in the driveway where our drive splits off from theirs. Life is Good! Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia


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    Time: 05:59:34 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Great Weekend
    From: "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson@centurylink.net>
    Jack the view of the lake is breath taking. Plenty of boats down there. Glad you going to get the house started. do not archive -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 thru covering and painting, now in final assembly 21&quot; wheels Lycoming O-235 C2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374227#374227




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