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1. 02:36 AM - Ash specs (Kringle)
2. 04:04 AM - Re: Ash specs (Jack Phillips)
3. 04:30 AM - Re: Ash specs (John Francis)
4. 05:10 AM - Re: officially an airplane (Jerry Dotson)
5. 05:13 AM - Re: Re: Ash specs (Jack@textors.com)
6. 05:32 AM - Re: Re: Ash specs (Jack Phillips)
7. 05:57 AM - Re: Ash specs (John Francis)
8. 06:46 AM - Re: Vertical stab offset (Michael Perez)
9. 07:10 AM - Re: Vertical stab offset (Jack Phillips)
10. 07:28 AM - Re: Vertical stab offset (Michael Perez)
11. 07:29 AM - Re: Ash specs (John Francis)
12. 07:36 AM - Re: Re: Ash specs (Jack Phillips)
13. 08:35 AM - Re: Re: Ash specs (Jim Boyer)
14. 09:31 AM - Re: Ash specs (dgaldrich)
15. 11:45 AM - Re: Vertical stab offset (chase143(at)aol.com)
16. 12:21 PM - scarf joint for spar (nightmare)
17. 12:33 PM - Re: scarf joint for spar (nightmare)
18. 12:41 PM - Re: Re: scarf joint for spar (Ryan Mueller)
19. 01:22 PM - Eyebrow template (Joe Street)
20. 01:38 PM - Re: Eyebrows (Gerry Holland)
21. 01:38 PM - Engine Mount Jig (was Re: Re: Vertical stab offset) (Jack Phillips)
22. 01:40 PM - Re: Re: scarf joint for spar (Jack@textors.com)
23. 01:44 PM - Re: scarf joint for spar (John Franklin)
24. 03:14 PM - Re: scarf joint for spar (Jim Ash)
25. 03:20 PM - Re: scarf joint for spar (gboothe5@comcast.net)
26. 03:30 PM - Re: scarf joint for spar (Gene Rambo)
27. 03:43 PM - Re: scarf joint for spar (gboothe5@comcast.net)
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Do the same aircraft grade requirements apply to the ash that is used in the floor
braces? Can sitka spruce be used here? I'm having a tough time finding quartersawn
ash with the required 6 annual rings per inch.
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The answers to your question are "No" and "No". Ash does not (and cannot)
be held to the same requirement for annual growth rings as it is a different
species and family from Spruce. But you want to use Ash where specified,
even though it is heavy, because it is very strong and among all the woods
it has the best "shock-absorbing" ability (which is why it is the wood of
choice for baseball bats). Notice that the locations where Ash is specified
- landing gear load zones and engine mounts - are areas that receive shock
loading.
One other pleasant characteristic of Ash is that it simply doesn't splinter
and sands very smooth - which is why the other big use for Ash is in
gymnastic parallel bars. Other woods might splinter and hurt the hands of
the gymnast.
Just buy Ash with the straightest grain you can find and you'll be fine.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kringle
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 5:36 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ash specs
Do the same aircraft grade requirements apply to the ash that is used in the
floor braces? Can sitka spruce be used here? I'm having a tough time
finding quartersawn ash with the required 6 annual rings per inch.
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Thanks Jack. This is the best piece I could find yesterday.
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| Subject: | Re: officially an airplane |
Congratulations and have fun. I really like your cowl esp the grill:) I also like
your crush plate. Neat!
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
thru covering and painting, now in final assembly
21" wheels
Lycoming O-235 C2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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John, you sure that's ash? Ash is white, that looks a little redish.
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Jack Textor
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Nice looking wood, but I'm not sure it is Ash. Ash is white in color, with
more pronounced grain than this looks to have.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Francis
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 7:30 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ash specs
Thanks Jack. This is the best piece I could find yesterday.
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Perhaps its just the shop lighting.
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| Subject: | Vertical stab offset |
Jack, (or anyone else, please), do you recall how much off set you used for
the right thrust adjustment on the engine mount?- I am currently buildin
g my engine mount jig and I was going to use about 1/2". Should I go more?
- I realize I can add shims later, if needed, but I want to do as much as
I can now.
Thanks.
Michael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos
=0AKaretaker Aero
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| Subject: | Vertical stab offset |
As I recall (and I no longer have my jig. I think Steve Chase has it now),
it has 9/16" right offset. I've got to make a run up to the lake this
weekend, moving my RV-10 project. If I have time, I'll pull the cowling on
the Pietenpol and measure it.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Perez
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 9:46 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Vertical stab offset
Jack, (or anyone else, please), do you recall how much off set you used for
the right thrust adjustment on the engine mount? I am currently building my
engine mount jig and I was going to use about 1/2". Should I go more? I
realize I can add shims later, if needed, but I want to do as much as I can
now.
Thanks.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Vertical stab offset |
Thanks Jack. The plans call out 9/16" offset to get the down thrust, so I w
as trying to be in that ball park for the right thrust as well.- (along w
ith the itell. Mike C. gave me from what he recalls doing.)- My big conce
rn is having the mounting pads so far out of plane that the flat faced engi
ne bosses won't sit correctly on the mount. (With down and right thrust, al
l four mount pads are at different heights.)
Michael Perez
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Hows this look in natural light?
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That looks more like Ash
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Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 10:30 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ash specs
Hows this look in natural light?
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Hi John,
That looks like the Ash we had at Woodcraft and that I used on my Piet.
Jim Boyer
Santa Rosa, CA
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If anyone needs some ash, I've got some and can machine to suit. $4 for the pair
of cross braces and $10 for a 3 piece Ford set. Shipping would cost more than
the wood but delivery for free at Brodhead???
Dave Aldrich
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| Subject: | Re: Vertical stab offset |
Mike and Jack,
Yes, I still have "the mount that Jack built"! It worked great (not flying yet)
and I seem to recall 9/16" offset, but I would have to double check when I get
home. BTW, Jack's mount is available to pass along to anyone interested (he
said it was OK, and I know he likes Spotted Cow in Brodhead!). I'm in Southern
Maryland if interested, feel free to contact me offline; chase143@aol.com.
Steve
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| Subject: | scarf joint for spar |
have seen 2 different ways of making a scarf joint. joint is made along the face,
or the edge. I know 43-13 probably explains it, but I dont have a copy yet.
which way is acceptable for a spar. I plan on 3/4 stock with 1/8 inch lamination
on each side. Sorry if this is obvious by looking at plans too, but dont have
those yet either. curiosity has gotten the best of me. thanks; Paul
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| Subject: | Re: scarf joint for spar |
looks like i found my answer on an online 43-13. well anywho, has anyone made
a scarf joint on a spar? any laminations over it? thanks; Paul
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| Subject: | Re: scarf joint for spar |
What part of Chapter 1, Section 4 is not clear? If the answer has been
found, why the questioning? Just curious,
Ryan
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| Subject: | Eyebrow template |
Thanks to all who responded to my request.
Joe
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I've just purchased a pair of Eye Brows from Czechoslovakia. Started
creating templates but had plenty of other jobs.
They seem very well made and include a spare metal template kit.
Just fitting them at the moment.
Price was 199 Euro's for the Set, about $245.00. Carriage and packing
charges are on top and here in Europe I had to pay Value Added Tax.
The whole lot delivered by UPS to me at a cost of $385.00
Take a look:
http://www.falconaircraft.cz/inzerce/inzerat/piper-j3-cub-l4-baffle-cowlin
g-continental-engines-c65-c85-c90-0-200a
I dealt with a guy called Marek Vala. E-mail: falconaircraft@email.cz
Phone: +420 602 779 356
Regards
Gerry
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| Subject: | Re: Vertical stab offset) |
Actually this is a jig to make an engine mount. It has successfully held
together for welding my mount, Matt Paxton's and now Steve Chase's. Whoever
wants it is welcome to it - my only requirement is that it be passed along
to another A65 powered Pietenpol builder, and I'd like to know where it is
in case I ever need it for a repair.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
chase143(at)aol.com
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 2:45 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Vertical stab offset
<chase143@aol.com>
Mike and Jack,
Yes, I still have "the mount that Jack built"! It worked great (not flying
yet) and I seem to recall 9/16" offset, but I would have to double check
when I get home. BTW, Jack's mount is available to pass along to anyone
interested (he said it was OK, and I know he likes Spotted Cow in
Brodhead!). I'm in Southern Maryland if interested, feel free to contact me
offline; chase143@aol.com.
Steve
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| Subject: | Re: scarf joint for spar |
I used a laminated spar with scarfs. Pictures here http://textors.com/PietProject.html
Jack Textor
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| Subject: | Re: scarf joint for spar |
My spars were built as an I-beam design with 3/8" ply sandwiched between 5/16"
x 1" Douglas fir strips. The scarf joints, following the 15:1 rule, were about
6" in length and were laminated with 1/8" ply. A 6" scarf is a pain in the
arse to fit properly. Disclaimer here, I haven't flown these wings yet!
John Franklin
Prairie Aire 4TA0
GN-1 / Corvair
-----Original Message-----
>From: nightmare <pauldonahuepilot@yahoo.com>
>Sent: May 31, 2012 2:19 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: scarf joint for spar
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>have seen 2 different ways of making a scarf joint. joint is made along the face,
or the edge. I know 43-13 probably explains it, but I dont have a copy yet.
which way is acceptable for a spar. I plan on 3/4 stock with 1/8 inch lamination
on each side. Sorry if this is obvious by looking at plans too, but dont
have those yet either. curiosity has gotten the best of me. thanks; Paul
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| Subject: | Re: scarf joint for spar |
I'd heard word-of-mouth at SNF that the recommended scarfing slope in AC 43-13
(Chapter 1, somewhere around page 15) had increased to 15 to 1. I don't remember
what it used to be, or if that was a line just to sucker me in, but you might
want to check it out just in case.
Jim Ash
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>From: John Franklin <jbfjr@peoplepc.com>
>Sent: May 31, 2012 4:43 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: scarf joint for spar
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>My spars were built as an I-beam design with 3/8" ply sandwiched between 5/16"
x 1" Douglas fir strips. The scarf joints, following the 15:1 rule, were about
6" in length and were laminated with 1/8" ply. A 6" scarf is a pain in the
arse to fit properly. Disclaimer here, I haven't flown these wings yet!
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>John Franklin
>Prairie Aire 4TA0
>GN-1 / Corvair
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>>From: nightmare <pauldonahuepilot@yahoo.com>
>>Sent: May 31, 2012 2:19 PM
>>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Pietenpol-List: scarf joint for spar
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>>have seen 2 different ways of making a scarf joint. joint is made along the face,
or the edge. I know 43-13 probably explains it, but I dont have a copy yet.
which way is acceptable for a spar. I plan on 3/4 stock with 1/8 inch lamination
on each side. Sorry if this is obvious by looking at plans too, but dont
have those yet either. curiosity has gotten the best of me. thanks; Paul
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| Subject: | Re: scarf joint for spar |
Always been 15 to 1.
Gary
Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry
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From: Jim Ash <ashcan@earthlink.net>
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
I'd heard word-of-mouth at SNF that the recommended scarfing slope in AC 43-13
(Chapter 1, somewhere around page 15) had increased to 15 to 1. I don't remember
what it used to be, or if that was a line just to sucker me in, but you might
want to check it out just in case.
Jim Ash
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>From: John Franklin <jbfjr@peoplepc.com>
>Sent: May 31, 2012 4:43 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: scarf joint for spar
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>My spars were built as an I-beam design with 3/8" ply sandwiched between 5/16"
x 1" Douglas fir strips. The scarf joints, following the 15:1 rule, were about
6" in length and were laminated with 1/8" ply. A 6" scarf is a pain in the
arse to fit properly. Disclaimer here, I haven't flown these wings yet!
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>John Franklin
>Prairie Aire 4TA0
>GN-1 / Corvair
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>>From: nightmare <pauldonahuepilot@yahoo.com>
>>Sent: May 31, 2012 2:19 PM
>>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Pietenpol-List: scarf joint for spar
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>>have seen 2 different ways of making a scarf joint. joint is made along the face,
or the edge. I know 43-13 probably explains it, but I dont have a copy yet.
which way is acceptable for a spar. I plan on 3/4 stock with 1/8 inch lamination
on each side. Sorry if this is obvious by looking at plans too, but dont
have those yet either. curiosity has gotten the best of me. thanks; Paul
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| Subject: | scarf joint for spar |
No it hasn't. It WAS 12 to 1=2C with 10 to 1 minimum. New 43.13 went to 1
5 to 1. Genedo not archive
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: scarf joint for spar
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
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joint for spar
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43-13 (Chapter 1=2C somewhere around page 15) had increased to 15 to 1. I d
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> Jim Ash
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> -----Original Message-----
> >From: John Franklin <jbfjr@peoplepc.com>
> >Sent: May 31=2C 2012 4:43 PM
> >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: scarf joint for spar
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> >My spars were built as an I-beam design with 3/8" ply sandwiched between
5/16" x 1" Douglas fir strips. The scarf joints=2C following the 15:1 rul
e=2C were about 6" in length and were laminated with 1/8" ply. A 6" scarf
is a pain in the arse to fit properly. Disclaimer here=2C I haven't flown
these wings yet!
> >
> >John Franklin
> >Prairie Aire 4TA0
> >GN-1 / Corvair
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> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >>From: nightmare <pauldonahuepilot@yahoo.com>
> >>Sent: May 31=2C 2012 2:19 PM
> >>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> >>Subject: Pietenpol-List: scarf joint for spar
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> >>have seen 2 different ways of making a scarf joint. joint is made along
the face=2C or the edge. I know 43-13 probably explains it=2C but I dont h
ave a copy yet. which way is acceptable for a spar. I plan on 3/4 stock wit
h 1/8 inch lamination on each side. Sorry if this is obvious by looking at
plans too=2C but dont have those yet either. curiosity has gotten the best
of me. thanks=3B Paul
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> >>Read this topic online here:
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> >>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374412#374412
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