---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 06/05/12: 30 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:17 AM - Re: Oops, I think (Jerry Dotson) 2. 04:30 AM - Re: Oops, I think (John Francis) 3. 05:00 AM - Re: Re: Oops, I think (Jack@textors.com) 4. 05:19 AM - Re: Oops, I think (John Francis) 5. 08:53 AM - t-nuts vs anchor nuts (John Francis) 6. 09:24 AM - Re: t-nuts vs anchor nuts (Michael Perez) 7. 09:30 AM - Re: t-nuts vs anchor nuts (John Francis) 8. 09:30 AM - Re: t-nuts vs anchor nuts (gboothe5@comcast.net) 9. 10:29 AM - Re: t-nuts vs anchor nuts (airlion) 10. 10:34 AM - NX510JD IS FLIGHT READY (Jerry Dotson) 11. 10:41 AM - Re: t-nuts vs anchor nuts (j_dunavin) 12. 10:53 AM - Re: NX510JD IS FLIGHT READY (airlion) 13. 10:59 AM - Re: NX510JD IS FLIGHT READY (Jim Boyer) 14. 11:16 AM - Re: NX510JD IS FLIGHT READY (Dan Yocum) 15. 11:24 AM - Re: NX510JD IS FLIGHT READY (gboothe5@comcast.net) 16. 11:24 AM - Re: NX510JD IS FLIGHT READY (Jack Phillips) 17. 12:05 PM - Formation Flying (Gerry Holland) 18. 01:37 PM - Re: NX510JD IS FLIGHT READY (Amsafetyc) 19. 01:40 PM - Re: Re: t-nuts vs anchor nuts (Gene Rambo) 20. 01:51 PM - 1st flight--flaring high in a Pietenpol (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]) 21. 02:04 PM - Re: NX510JD IS FLIGHT READY (helspersew@aol.com) 22. 02:19 PM - Re: NX510JD IS FLIGHT READY (Jack Phillips) 23. 03:38 PM - Re: 1st flight--flaring high in a Pietenpol (Jerry Dotson) 24. 03:41 PM - Re: NX510JD IS FLIGHT READY (Jerry Dotson) 25. 06:35 PM - Re: NX510JD IS FLIGHT READY (Jack@textors.com) 26. 07:03 PM - Re: Re: t-nuts vs anchor nuts (shad bell) 27. 07:36 PM - cable guides (Ralph) 28. 07:46 PM - Re: NX510JD IS FLIGHT READY (Bill Church) 29. 09:02 PM - Re: Re: t-nuts vs anchor nuts (Ray Krause) 30. 09:34 PM - Re: Re: 1st flight--flaring high in a Pietenpol (shad bell) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:17:31 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Oops, I think From: "Jerry Dotson" John, I have a little saw from Harbor Freight that will let you surgically remove what you need. It is called a Oscillating Multifunction Power Tool Chicago Electric Power Tools - item#68861. $24.95. The tool is cheap but the saw blades are about 7 or 8 bucks each! It is very handy. You can cut neat slots in plywood. Jerry do not archive -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 thru covering and painting, now in final assembly 21" wheels Lycoming O-235 C2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374748#374748 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:30:03 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Oops, I think From: "John Francis" Thanks all as I have received some good ideas. I am still waiting on my spruce order from acs so I have some time to think about it. Ill have it resolved by the time I get to Brodhead! -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374749#374749 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:00:25 AM PST US From: "Jack@textors.com" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Oops, I think I have three, great tool! Do not archive Jack Textor Sent from my iPad On Jun 5, 2012, at 6:17 AM, "Jerry Dotson" wrote: > > John, > I have a little saw from Harbor Freight that will let you surgically remove what you need. It is called a Oscillating Multifunction Power Tool > Chicago Electric Power Tools - item#68861. $24.95. The tool is cheap but the saw blades are about 7 or 8 bucks each! It is very handy. You can cut neat slots in plywood. > Jerry > > do not archive > > -------- > Jerry Dotson > 59 Daniel Johnson Rd > Baker, FL 32531 > > Started building NX510JD July, 2009 > thru covering and painting, now in final assembly > 21" wheels > Lycoming O-235 C2C > Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374748#374748 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:19:11 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Oops, I think From: "John Francis" Im favoring the capstrip idea. I would just cut the spar a little short (that would allow me to slide it in without cutting anything else) and then sliding a piece of capstrip the full length. It would be glued and nailed in place. -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374751#374751 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc07578_110.jpg ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:53:35 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: t-nuts vs anchor nuts From: "John Francis" For the ailerons is anyone using t-nuts over the standard anchor nuts? The biggest difference I find is price. t-nuts .29 each vs. anchor nuts (with plastic insert) 3.30 each. Perhaps I could go with anchor nuts (which my technical advisor is telling me to do) without the plastic inserts. If so, do you use loctite to hold the screws in? -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374759#374759 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:24:32 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: t-nuts vs anchor nuts I assume you mean to mount the hinges...if so, I used T nuts. I epoxied the nuts into the wood and when I install the ailerons, I plan to put a dab of thread lock on the screws or epoxy. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:30:27 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: t-nuts vs anchor nuts From: "John Francis" Yes, to mount the piano hinge. Thanks. -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374762#374762 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:30:48 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: t-nuts vs anchor nuts From: gboothe5@comcast.net Sm9obiwNCg0KSSBkaWQgdGhlIHNhbWUgYXMgTWlrZS4NCg0KR2FyeQ0KU2VudCBvbiB0aGUgU3By aW50riBOb3cgTmV0d29yayBmcm9tIG15IEJsYWNrQmVycnmuDQoNCi0tLS0tT3JpZ2luYWwgTWVz c2FnZS0tLS0tDQpGcm9tOiBNaWNoYWVsIFBlcmV6IDxzcGVlZGJyYWtlQHNiY2dsb2JhbC5uZXQ+ DQpTZW5kZXI6IG93bmVyLXBpZXRlbnBvbC1saXN0LXNlcnZlckBtYXRyb25pY3MuY29tDQpEYXRl OiBUdWUsIDUgSnVuIDIwMTIgMDk6MTU6MDggDQpUbzogPHBpZXRlbnBvbC1saXN0QG1hdHJvbmlj cy5jb20+DQpSZXBseS1UbzogcGlldGVucG9sLWxpc3RAbWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbVN1YmplY3Q6IFJl OiBQaWV0ZW5wb2wtTGlzdDogdC1udXRzIHZzIGFuY2hvciBudXRzDQoNCkkgYXNzdW1lIHlvdSBt ZWFuIHRvIG1vdW50IHRoZSBoaW5nZXMuLi5pZiBzbywgSSB1c2VkIFQgbnV0cy4gSSBlcG94aWVk IHRoZSBudXRzIGludG8gdGhlIHdvb2QgYW5kIHdoZW4gSSBpbnN0YWxsIHRoZSBhaWxlcm9ucywg SSBwbGFuIHRvIHB1dCBhIGRhYiBvZiB0aHJlYWQgbG9jayBvbiB0aGUgc2NyZXdzIG9yIGVwb3h5 Lg0KDQpNaWNoYWVsIFBlcmV6DQoNClBpZXRlbnBvbCBISU5UIFZpZGVvcw0KDQpLYXJldGFrZXIg QWVybw0KDQp3d3cua2FyZXRha2VyYWVyby5jb20NCg0KDQo ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:29:09 AM PST US From: airlion Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: t-nuts vs anchor nuts I used T-nuts and epoxied them in. Cheers, Gardiner ----- Original Message ---- From: John Francis Sent: Tue, June 5, 2012 11:55:13 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: t-nuts vs anchor nuts For the ailerons is anyone using t-nuts over the standard anchor nuts? The biggest difference I find is price. t-nuts .29 each vs. anchor nuts (with plastic insert) 3.30 each. Perhaps I could go with anchor nuts (which my technical advisor is telling me to do) without the plastic inserts. If so, do you use loctite to hold the screws in? -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374759#374759 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:34:40 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: NX510JD IS FLIGHT READY From: "Jerry Dotson" The DAR came and certified my Pietenpol this morning. The weather is not cooperating. The forecasts look like it will be Saturday at least before this windy low passes out of here. Lots of covers to put on before then any way. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 thru covering and painting, now in final assembly 21" wheels Lycoming O-235 C2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374770#374770 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:41:20 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: t-nuts vs anchor nuts From: "j_dunavin" I'm not at that point yet, so I couldn't say for for sure how I will do mine, BUT if your technical advisor says to use anchor nuts or nut plates, then I would. There is no way to saftey a tee nut, unless you used lock tight. These nut plates are all metal and not too expensive: http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/anchornuts4.php and if you look at this doc: http://www.coastfab.com/images/pdf/2010/nutplates_ms21059_ms21061.pdf They self lock due to the fact that the hole is a little out of round. If all else fails, this is actual AN hardware, not true value hardware. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374771#374771 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:53:22 AM PST US From: airlion Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NX510JD IS FLIGHT READY Jerry, good luck on your first flight. You won't have any trouble as I have seen your work. You might want to go up with your brother just to get the feel of flying. Gardiner ----- Original Message ---- From: Jerry Dotson Sent: Tue, June 5, 2012 1:35:37 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: NX510JD IS FLIGHT READY The DAR came and certified my Pietenpol this morning. The weather is not cooperating. The forecasts look like it will be Saturday at least before this windy low passes out of here. Lots of covers to put on before then any way. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 thru covering and painting, now in final assembly 21" wheels Lycoming O-235 C2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374770#374770 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:59:52 AM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NX510JD IS FLIGHT READY Congratulations on having a real live ready to go Pietenpol Jerry. Jim Boyer Santa Rosa =C2- do not archive ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:16:28 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NX510JD IS FLIGHT READY Excellent news! On 06/05/2012 12:31 PM, Jerry Dotson wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jerry Dotson" > > The DAR came and certified my Pietenpol this morning. The weather is not cooperating. The forecasts look like it will be Saturday at least before this windy low passes out of here. Lots of covers to put on before then any way. > > -------- > Jerry Dotson > 59 Daniel Johnson Rd > Baker, FL 32531 > > Started building NX510JD July, 2009 > thru covering and painting, now in final assembly > 21" wheels > Lycoming O-235 C2C > Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374770#374770 > > -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:24:36 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NX510JD IS FLIGHT READY From: gboothe5@comcast.net Woo-hoo!!! ------Original Message------ From: Jerry Dotson Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: NX510JD IS FLIGHT READY Sent: Jun 5, 2012 10:31 AM The DAR came and certified my Pietenpol this morning. The weather is not cooperating. The forecasts look like it will be Saturday at least before this windy low passes out of here. Lots of covers to put on before then any way. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 thru covering and painting, now in final assembly 21" wheels Lycoming O-235 C2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374770#374770 Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:24:39 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: NX510JD IS FLIGHT READY Great News, Jerry! Good luck with the first flight. Be prepared to have the very best feeling you've ever had with your clothes on. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Dotson Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 1:32 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: NX510JD IS FLIGHT READY The DAR came and certified my Pietenpol this morning. The weather is not cooperating. The forecasts look like it will be Saturday at least before this windy low passes out of here. Lots of covers to put on before then any way. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 thru covering and painting, now in final assembly 21" wheels Lycoming O-235 C2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374770#374770 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:05:10 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Formation Flying From: Gerry Holland Not low and slow flying but still fun. This is a video of BAE Hawks (Goshawks in USA) preparing and then flying a formation of London for the Queens 60th Anniversary. For any ex-Service Pilot they will know how much preparation was required to get 27 aircraft into formation. 3 is enough! http://vimeo.com/42489364 As an aside . YOu may notice instead of the Air Force spending tens of thousands per aircraft for GPS System they use the Bendix SkyMap III at $1000 a time. Off the shelf too. Hope I havent offended anyone with a off Piet topic but the weather is crass here in England! Regards Gerry ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:37:49 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NX510JD IS FLIGHT READY From: Amsafetyc Congratulations and now you got to get your 40 flown off so we can see you in Brodhead next month Do not archive John Sent from my iPhone On Jun 5, 2012, at 1:31 PM, "Jerry Dotson" wrote: > > The DAR came and certified my Pietenpol this morning. The weather is not cooperating. The forecasts look like it will be Saturday at least before this windy low passes out of here. Lots of covers to put on before then any way. > > -------- > Jerry Dotson > 59 Daniel Johnson Rd > Baker, FL 32531 > > Started building NX510JD July, 2009 > thru covering and painting, now in final assembly > 21" wheels > Lycoming O-235 C2C > Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374770#374770 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 01:40:58 PM PST US From: Gene Rambo Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: t-nuts vs anchor nuts Actually=2C you can safety tee nuts. I epoxied mine in=2C but at the last minute before covering I cut a bunch of strips of thin plywood say=2C 1/2" by 1" and drilled a hole in the middle for the screw to protrude through. Then I glued and nailed one across each tee nut. They won't push out now . . . Genedo not archive > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: t-nuts vs anchor nuts > From: j_dunavin@hotmail.com > Date: Tue=2C 5 Jun 2012 10:37:23 -0700 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > > I'm not at that point yet=2C so I couldn't say for for sure how I will do mine=2C BUT if your technical advisor says to use anchor nuts or nut plate s=2C then I would. There is no way to saftey a tee nut=2C unless you used l ock tight. > These nut plates are all metal and not too expensive: > http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/anchornuts4.php > and if you look at this doc: > http://www.coastfab.com/images/pdf/2010/nutplates_ms21059_ms21061.pdf > They self lock due to the fact that the hole is a little out of round. > > If all else fails=2C this is actual AN hardware=2C not true value hardwar e. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374771#374771 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 01:51:05 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: 1st flight--flaring high in a Pietenpol Congratulations Jerry! One man's observation is that we sit LOW on the ground in a Pietenpol and the sensation when getting close to the ground is that you're too low. Don't let that fool you. We are just not used to sitting that low in an airplane while trying to touch down. Get a good 'sight image' of where the horizon crosses thru your nose while you're doing your taxi testing and stamp that in your memory. When you get into your first landing my advice would be to carry a little power because these draggy things loose airspeed fast and stalling in high bites:) An old instructor told me to keep my vision 2/3rds the way down the runway during landing. Boy does that ever help with directional control. Ah well, for all I know Jerry you've got 2,000 hours of tailwheel time. I think I'm just giving myself a refresher since I only have a few landings this year under my belt and not all were pretty! Best wishes--you've come a long, long way. The next phase of your adventure is soon to begin! Mike C. ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 02:04:42 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NX510JD IS FLIGHT READY From: helspersew@aol.com Congratulations of the first order!! Dan Helsper Puryear, TN do not archive -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Dotson Sent: Tue, Jun 5, 2012 12:35 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: NX510JD IS FLIGHT READY et> The DAR came and certified my Pietenpol this morning. The weather is not ooperating. The forecasts look like it will be Saturday at least before thi s indy low passes out of here. Lots of covers to put on before then any way. -------- erry Dotson 9 Daniel Johnson Rd aker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 hru covering and painting, now in final assembly 1" wheels ycoming O-235 C2C ay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 ead this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374770#374770 -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 02:19:31 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: NX510JD IS FLIGHT READY Depending on the prop Jerry's got, he may only have to do a 25 hour fly off, since he has a real airplane engine in his Pietenpol Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Amsafetyc Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 4:12 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NX510JD IS FLIGHT READY Congratulations and now you got to get your 40 flown off so we can see you in Brodhead next month Do not archive John Sent from my iPhone On Jun 5, 2012, at 1:31 PM, "Jerry Dotson" wrote: > > The DAR came and certified my Pietenpol this morning. The weather is not cooperating. The forecasts look like it will be Saturday at least before this windy low passes out of here. Lots of covers to put on before then any way. > > -------- > Jerry Dotson > 59 Daniel Johnson Rd > Baker, FL 32531 > > Started building NX510JD July, 2009 > thru covering and painting, now in final assembly > 21" wheels > Lycoming O-235 C2C > Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374770#374770 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 03:38:03 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 1st flight--flaring high in a Pietenpol From: "Jerry Dotson" Mike, I appreciate the heads up on flaring too high. I did that in a 600 hp Thrush about 40 years ago.....still have not forgotten that. I have 1800 hours tail wheel time but that don't mean a lot(nothing). I have not flown much in the last last 20 years. I have made a dozen or so trips up and down the runway and it is feeling better but I am in no real hurry to put it in the air. I want to get real comfortable with the ground handling first. True story time: In the early 70's I was a partner in a Cessna 140. We sold it to a guy about 40 miles away. We delivered it to him at his home airport. My partner asked him if he wanted one of us to check him out in it. He stuck his chest out and said "No man. I have 5000 hours in a P-51." So we went on our merry way. He called the very next morning and wanted us to come back and see what it would take to repair it!!! He bent it bad on take off. Never flew it. That was sad. So that said I am sort of a humble person and will never poo-poo flying advice even from a student pilot. I want to be as sure as I can to not damage my Piet. Anyone else with advice put it on here and I will read every word of it. Sorry for the long post do not archive -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 thru covering and painting, now in final assembly 21" wheels Lycoming O-235 C2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374795#374795 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 03:41:05 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: NX510JD IS FLIGHT READY From: "Jerry Dotson" Jack I have a CloudCars prop and will have a 40 hour Phase I do not archive -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 thru covering and painting, now in final assembly 21" wheels Lycoming O-235 C2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374796#374796 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 06:35:10 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NX510JD IS FLIGHT READY From: "Jack@textors.com" Congratulations Jerry! Be safe... Do not archive Jack Textor Sent from my iPad On Jun 5, 2012, at 12:31 PM, "Jerry Dotson" wrote: > > The DAR came and certified my Pietenpol this morning. The weather is not cooperating. The forecasts look like it will be Saturday at least before this windy low passes out of here. Lots of covers to put on before then any way. > > -------- > Jerry Dotson > 59 Daniel Johnson Rd > Baker, FL 32531 > > Started building NX510JD July, 2009 > thru covering and painting, now in final assembly > 21" wheels > Lycoming O-235 C2C > Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374770#374770 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 07:03:53 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: t-nuts vs anchor nuts You could try crimping the T nut a little bit, to a slight oval shape to ma ke it more like a lock-nut.- I have never tried it (just popped in my hea d after replacing a couple nutplates at work today) but it might be worth e xperimenting.- Otherwise just use some good locktight. We have 304+hrs with T-nuts on the aileron hinges and no problems. - Shad --- On Tue, 6/5/12, John Francis wrote: From: John Francis Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: t-nuts vs anchor nuts Yes, to mount the piano hinge.- Thanks. -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374762#374762 le, List Admin. ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 07:36:24 PM PST US From: "Ralph" Subject: Pietenpol-List: cable guides The plans seem to show cable guides just outboard of the pulley going to the stick and another in the area where the strut joins the spar. Are just these two required or have people included more guides along the distance? Ralph in South Dakota ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 07:46:07 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: NX510JD IS FLIGHT READY From: "Bill Church" Congratulations, Jerry. Only 3 years, start to finish! Quite an accomplishment. Be patient with that first flight. Hold off for decent weather. (Right, Douwe?) Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374811#374811 ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 09:02:27 PM PST US From: "Ray Krause" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: t-nuts vs anchor nuts What spacing did you use with the T nuts/screws on the ailerons? When using the piano MS--- type hinges on an aluminum plane, we put one rivet at each hinge extension (the attach point). I am using the 1" wide MS --- aluminum piano hinges and have installed 8-24 screws and the self locking nut plates at every 3rd hinge extension. This does not seem as good as, or as stable, as having an anchor at each hinge extension. Placing the nut plate/screws any closer together may create a "fault line", or weak point, along the aileron beams (spars). Also, the self locking (slightly ovaled) nut plates work very well with bolts with hex heads. But TOO well with Phillip head screws. The nut plates are so tight they cause the heads to strip out before the screw can be secured. I have opened the nut plates with an 8-24 tap before installation so the oval is not so severe. I will use loctite when I make the final installation. Suggestions would help. Thanks in advance..... Ray Krause Building the Sky Scout. ----- Original Message ----- From: shad bell To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 6:00 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: t-nuts vs anchor nuts You could try crimping the T nut a little bit, to a slight oval shape to make it more like a lock-nut. I have never tried it (just popped in my head after replacing a couple nutplates at work today) but it might be worth experimenting. Otherwise just use some good locktight. We have 304+hrs with T-nuts on the aileron hinges and no problems. Shad --- On Tue, 6/5/12, John Francis wrote: From: John Francis Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: t-nuts vs anchor nuts To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Date: Tuesday, June 5, 2012, 12:29 PM Yes, to mount the piano hinge. Thanks. -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374762#374762 http://forums.matronbsp; - List Contribution Web Site - ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 09:34:06 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: 1st flight--flaring high in a Pietenpol I have only flown 2 piets, both with Corvairs, Only advise I have is keep t he pattern somewhat-tight, it won't glide very far.- If you experiance an engine failure, drop an anvil over the side and land there, then get out of the way, or the anvil will hit you in the head.- But seriously, keep a little extra speed untill you get the hang of it, it bleeds off quickly, and will forgive the higher approach (assuming you have plenty of runway). - One other note about speed on final, Dad's piets center of gravity was adjusted to him (about 30-40lbs heavier) when I fly it is a little nose hea vy, I-run out of up elevator if I-get to slow before flairing.-Since you haven't flown yours yet,--Keep an extra 10 mph in there for saftey, and work it down from there.- You should not have any trouble, they fly easy. - Shad Do not archive --- On Tue, 6/5/12, Jerry Dotson wrote: From: Jerry Dotson Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 1st flight--flaring high in a Pietenpol et> Mike, I appreciate the heads up on flaring too high. I did that in a 600 hp Thrus h about 40 years ago.....still have not forgotten that. I have 1800 hours t ail wheel time but that don't mean a lot(nothing). I have not flown much in the last last 20 years. I have made a dozen or so trips up and down the ru nway and it is feeling better but I am in no real hurry to put it in the ai r. I want to get real comfortable with the ground handling first. True story time: In the early 70's I was a partner in a Cessna 140. We sold it to a guy abou t 40 miles away. We delivered it to him at his home airport. My partner ask ed him if he wanted one of us to check him out in it. He stuck his chest ou t and said "No man. I have 5000 hours in a P-51." So we went on our merry w ay. He called the very next morning and wanted us to come back and see what it would take to repair it!!! He bent it bad on take off. Never flew it. T hat was sad. So that said I am sort of a humble person and will never poo-p oo flying advice even from a student pilot. I want to be as sure as I can t o not damage my Piet. Anyone else with advice put it on here and I will rea d every word of it. Sorry for the long post do not archive -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building- NX510JD- July, 2009 thru covering and painting, now in final assembly 21" wheels Lycoming O-235 C2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374795#374795 le, List Admin. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.