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1. 12:13 AM - Re: OK, gicving up ONE of my secrets. . . . . (Clif Dawson)
2. 02:23 AM - Re: Re: t-nuts vs anchor nuts (Chris)
3. 02:28 AM - Re: cable guides (Chris)
4. 04:15 AM - Re: 1st flight--flaring high in a Pietenpol (Jerry Dotson)
5. 04:18 AM - Re: Re: t-nuts vs anchor nuts (helspersew@aol.com)
6. 04:40 AM - Re: NX510JD IS FLIGHT READY (Jerry Dotson)
7. 05:01 AM - Re: Re: t-nuts vs anchor nuts (Jack Phillips)
8. 05:08 AM - Re: Re: 1st flight--flaring high in a Pietenpol (Jack Phillips)
9. 05:34 AM - Re: NX510JD IS FLIGHT READY (kevinpurtee)
10. 05:55 AM - landing a Piet (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
11. 06:35 AM - Another Pietenpol Certified (woodflier@aol.com)
12. 06:44 AM - Re: Cable guides (woodflier@aol.com)
13. 08:00 AM - Re: Hegy prop; engine offset washers (AircamperN11MS)
14. 08:10 AM - Re: Re: Hegy prop; engine offset washers (Gary Boothe)
15. 08:28 AM - Re: Hegy prop; engine offset washers (AircamperN11MS)
16. 08:58 AM - Re: NX510JD IS FLIGHT READY (aerocarjake)
17. 09:48 AM - Re: Re: NX510JD IS FLIGHT READY (Michael Perez)
18. 10:23 AM - Re: t-nuts vs anchor nuts (j_dunavin)
19. 10:38 AM - Re: Formation Flying (j_dunavin)
20. 11:32 AM - passengers (bender)
21. 11:39 AM - Re: Re: t-nuts vs anchor nuts (C N Campbell)
22. 11:44 AM - Re: passengers (Jack Phillips)
23. 11:46 AM - Re: passengers (brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com)
24. 11:50 AM - Re: cable guides (C N Campbell)
25. 12:03 PM - Re: passengers (C N Campbell)
26. 12:21 PM - Going off-list for a while (TOM STINEMETZE)
27. 12:50 PM - Re: passengers (John Francis)
28. 02:03 PM - Re: Going off-list for a while (Jim Boyer)
29. 02:57 PM - Re: passengers (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
30. 02:59 PM - Wing attachment (Ken Bickers)
31. 04:08 PM - Re: Re: passengers (Greg Cardinal)
32. 04:12 PM - Re: Wing attachment (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
33. 04:47 PM - Re: passengers (bender)
34. 05:02 PM - Re: Wing attachment (Michael Perez)
35. 05:05 PM - Re: Going off-list for a while (Jerry Dotson)
36. 06:10 PM - Re: Re: passengers (Jack Phillips)
37. 06:33 PM - Re: t-nuts vs anchor nuts (nightmare)
38. 06:51 PM - Re: Going off-list for a while (gboothe5@comcast.net)
39. 07:53 PM - Re: Re: passengers (Ryan Mueller)
40. 08:05 PM - Re: Re: passengers (John Hofmann)
41. 09:07 PM - Re: Re: t-nuts vs anchor nuts (Ray Krause)
42. 09:18 PM - Re: Re: t-nuts vs anchor nuts (Gene Rambo)
43. 09:42 PM - Re: passengers (Gene Rambo)
44. 10:10 PM - Re: Wing attachment (Ken Bickers)
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| Subject: | Re: OK, gicving up ONE of my secrets. . . . . |
Ah, shades of 'Magnificent Men".
Clif
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Sepia Clif, sepia..... :)
Ryan
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| Subject: | Re: t-nuts vs anchor nuts |
Ray
Mine are on 7 to 8 inch centers. Not flight tested but I have tugged on the
aileron and have not noticed any problem. I was more worried about making a
weak spot along the aileron spar if I put them closer. If you look at mike
Cuy's aileron hinges his are spread apart too. Remember the flight speed
between the aluminum plane and the Pietenpol is way different. On a faster
plane I would want them closer.
Chris
Sacramento, Ca
Westcoastpiet.com
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 8:03 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: t-nuts vs anchor nuts
What spacing did you use with the T nuts/screws on the ailerons? When using
the piano MS--- type hinges on an aluminum plane, we put one rivet at each
hinge extension (the attach point). I am using the 1" wide MS --- aluminum
piano hinges and have installed 8-24 screws and the self locking nut plates
at every 3rd hinge extension. This does not seem as good as, or as stable,
as having an anchor at each hinge extension. Placing the nut plate/screws
any closer together may create a "fault line", or weak point, along the
aileron beams (spars).
Also, the self locking (slightly ovaled) nut plates work very well with
bolts with hex heads. But TOO well with Phillip head screws. The nut plates
are so tight they cause the heads to strip out before the screw can be
secured. I have opened the nut plates with an 8-24 tap before installation
so the oval is not so severe. I will use loctite when I make the final
installation.
Suggestions would help.
Thanks in advance.....
Ray Krause
Building the Sky Scout.
----- Original Message -----
From: shad <mailto:aviatorbell@yahoo.com> bell
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 6:00 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: t-nuts vs anchor nuts
You could try crimping the T nut a little bit, to a slight oval shape to
make it more like a lock-nut. I have never tried it (just popped in my head
after replacing a couple nutplates at work today) but it might be worth
experimenting. Otherwise just use some good locktight.
We have 304+hrs with T-nuts on the aileron hinges and no problems.
Shad
--- On Tue, 6/5/12, John Francis <Mrkringles@msn.com> wrote:
From: John Francis <Mrkringles@msn.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: t-nuts vs anchor nuts
<http://us.mc1621.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Mrkringles@msn.com> >
Yes, to mount the piano hinge. Thanks.
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Ralph
Don't forget to add cable guards to the pulleys
Chris
Sacramento, Ca
Westcoastpiet.com
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 7:08 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: cable guides
The plans seem to show cable guides just outboard of the pulley going to the
stick and another in the area where the strut joins the spar. Are just
these two required or have people included more guides along the distance?
Ralph in South Dakota
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| Subject: | Re: 1st flight--flaring high in a Pietenpol |
Thanks Shad. While I am not a fan of wheel landings I think at least the first
one will be a wheel holding some power until the wheels roll. Would 55 be too
fast on final?
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59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
thru covering and painting, now in final assembly
21" wheels
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| Subject: | Re: t-nuts vs anchor nuts |
T-nuts are fine. I put a dab of epoxy on each, then a drop of Locktite on t
he screws. But here is a twist. Every other screw was a wood screw just scr
ewed into the wood. Non of mine have moved so far. Also you have the paint
on the screw heads to hold them in.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com>
Sent: Tue, Jun 5, 2012 3:45 pm
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: t-nuts vs anchor nuts
Actually, you can safety tee nuts. I epoxied mine in, but at the last minu
te before covering I cut a bunch of strips of thin plywood say, 1/2" by 1"
and drilled a hole in the middle for the screw to protrude through. Then I
glued and nailed one across each tee nut. They won't push out now . . .
Gene
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> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: t-nuts vs anchor nuts
> From: j_dunavin@hotmail.com
> Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 10:37:23 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
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> I'm not at that point yet, so I couldn't say for for sure how I will do m
ine, BUT if your technical advisor says to use anchor nuts or nut plates, t
hen I would. There is no way to saftey a tee nut, unless you used lock tigh
t.
> These nut plates are all metal and not too expensive:
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/anchornuts4.php
> and if you look at this doc:
> http://www.coastfab.com/images/pdf/2010/nutplates_ms21059_ms21061.pdf
> They self lock due to the fact that the hole is a little out of round.
>
> If all else fails, this is actual AN hardware, not true value hardware.
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| Subject: | Re: NX510JD IS FLIGHT READY |
First flight won't be today :(
6 AM radar.................
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
thru covering and painting, now in final assembly
21" wheels
Lycoming O-235 C2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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| Subject: | Re: t-nuts vs anchor nuts |
Mine are on 2" centers, and I also used # 8 MS24693 screws to attach into
nutplates. I did exactly the same as Ray - used a tap to partially open the
self-locking feature, otherwise the heads would strip before I got the
screws all the way in. No problems yet, with 260 hours and 7 years on them.
I do inspect the screws on each preflight inspection - easy to do, just lift
the aileron and look to see that all screws are flush. Takes about 2
seconds per side.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 5:04 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: t-nuts vs anchor nuts
Ray
Mine are on 7 to 8 inch centers. Not flight tested but I have tugged on the
aileron and have not noticed any problem. I was more worried about making a
weak spot along the aileron spar if I put them closer. If you look at mike
Cuy's aileron hinges his are spread apart too. Remember the flight speed
between the aluminum plane and the Pietenpol is way different. On a faster
plane I would want them closer.
Chris
Sacramento, Ca
Westcoastpiet.com
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 8:03 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: t-nuts vs anchor nuts
What spacing did you use with the T nuts/screws on the ailerons? When using
the piano MS--- type hinges on an aluminum plane, we put one rivet at each
hinge extension (the attach point). I am using the 1" wide MS --- aluminum
piano hinges and have installed 8-24 screws and the self locking nut plates
at every 3rd hinge extension. This does not seem as good as, or as stable,
as having an anchor at each hinge extension. Placing the nut plate/screws
any closer together may create a "fault line", or weak point, along the
aileron beams (spars).
Also, the self locking (slightly ovaled) nut plates work very well with
bolts with hex heads. But TOO well with Phillip head screws. The nut plates
are so tight they cause the heads to strip out before the screw can be
secured. I have opened the nut plates with an 8-24 tap before installation
so the oval is not so severe. I will use loctite when I make the final
installation.
Suggestions would help.
Thanks in advance.....
Ray Krause
Building the Sky Scout.
----- Original Message -----
From: shad bell <mailto:aviatorbell@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 6:00 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: t-nuts vs anchor nuts
You could try crimping the T nut a little bit, to a slight oval shape to
make it more like a lock-nut. I have never tried it (just popped in my head
after replacing a couple nutplates at work today) but it might be worth
experimenting. Otherwise just use some good locktight.
We have 304+hrs with T-nuts on the aileron hinges and no problems.
Shad
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From: John Francis <Mrkringles@msn.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: t-nuts vs anchor nuts
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Yes, to mount the piano hinge. Thanks.
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| Subject: | Re: 1st flight--flaring high in a Pietenpol |
Jerry, I concur with everything both Mike Cuy and Shad Bell have offered
you. I normally approach at 55, carrying about 1200 RPM (A65 Continental)
and I then make a normal flare and 3-point landing (well, that's the goal -
it doesn't always work out that way), and I don't cut the power to idle
until the wheels are on the ground if there's plenty of runway.
Once you get used to it, you can easily make the approach and landing with
the power at idle the whole way, but I wouldn't recommend starting out that
way. With no power on, the time between starting your flare at 50 -55 and
the stall at 35-40 is somewhere around two seconds, and it seems much
quicker than that. Unless you have the wheels within 12" of the runway when
you flare, you'll likely stall and drop it in if you don't carry a little
power.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Dotson
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 7:12 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 1st flight--flaring high in a Pietenpol
<jdotson@centurylink.net>
Thanks Shad. While I am not a fan of wheel landings I think at least the
first one will be a wheel holding some power until the wheels roll. Would 55
be too fast on final?
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
thru covering and painting, now in final assembly
21" wheels
Lycoming O-235 C2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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| Subject: | Re: NX510JD IS FLIGHT READY |
Congratulations, Jerry! Good stuff.
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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Great words from Jack and Shad on their experiences flying an approach and landing
a Pietenpol. I too fly my final approach at 55 mph with a little power held in
to pretty close to the runway. Like jack said, unless you have the wheels within
12" of the runway there will probably be a thunk.
The plane three points wonderfully too and even in crosswinds I three point.
I've
never been able to master the wheel landing except in the Corby Starlet I owned
for a few years. The Piet is a surprisingly good crosswind airplane.
So glad you're getting a good feel for the ground handling Jerry. I did the same
thing and it paid off getting that view and training my feet. I like the fact
that you're patient for weather too--so many videos of 1st flights I see show
trees blowing around and wind noise in the microphone. I don't get that. It
takes
3, 6, 10, 20 years to build a plane but some have to fly it right away after it
gets
legal in lousy weather conditions. Glad I have a little chicken in me.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Another Pietenpol Certified |
Congratulations, Jerry! Ain't that a terrific feeling. I had the same probl
em last year when
I got my airworthiness. It was pouring rain during the inspection and I cou
ldn't do the
first flight for several days. It was worth the wait. Can't wait to hear ho
w it goes.
Matt Paxton
NX629ML
The DAR came and certified my Pietenpol this morning. The weather is not
cooperating.
The forecasts look like it will be Saturday at least before this windy
low passes out of here. Lots of covers to put on before then any way.
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
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| Subject: | Re: Cable guides |
My Technical Adviser said I needed cable guides on all pulleys where the ca
ble turned more
than a few degrees. I installed a bunch of them. The consequence of a jamme
d control cable is not one
I care to consider. I used pulleys for the bend the aileron cables make at
the back seat and they all got
cable guards there also.
Matt Paxton
NX629ML
Time: 07:36:24 PM PST US
From: "Ralph" <ralphhsd@itctel.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: cable guides
The plans seem to show cable guides just outboard of the pulley going to
the stick and another in the area where the strut joins the spar. Are
just these two required or have people included more guides along the
distance?
Ralph in South Dakota
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| Subject: | Re: Hegy prop; engine offset washers |
Thanks for the reply Oscar. That prop works very well with my C-85 on my Piet.
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: Hegy prop; engine offset washers |
Scott,
Missed you at Frazer Lake! Hope you make it next year...
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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AircamperN11MS
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 8:00 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hegy prop; engine offset washers
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Thanks for the reply Oscar. That prop works very well with my C-85 on my
Piet.
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: Hegy prop; engine offset washers |
Gary,
I am looking forward to next year. My wife had family show up from Florida so
I needed to stay behind this year. It looks like you had good weather which makes
me feel that much worse about not going.
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: NX510JD IS FLIGHT READY |
Great stuff Jerry - Congrats.......!!
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Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| Subject: | Re: NX510JD IS FLIGHT READY |
Good to hear another builder has persevered and finished quite the long pro
ject!- I wish you the best on your first flight...I am sure it will be a
thrill!
Michael Perez
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| Subject: | Re: t-nuts vs anchor nuts |
> Actually, you can safety tee nuts. I epoxied mine in, but at the last minute
before covering I cut a bunch of strips of thinplywood say, 1/2" by 1" and drilled
a hole in the middle for the screw to protrude through. Then I glued and
nailed one across each tee nut. They won't push out now . . .
AH got it! 8)
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that is way awesome!
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my wife and her friend wanted a photo today..
They improve the look of the piet in my opinion..
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| Subject: | Re: t-nuts vs anchor nuts |
Gene, I also used T-nuts. I had some #4X1/2-inch sheet metal screws on
hand so I drilled a small pilot hole beside each t-nut on each side and
ran a screw into each so that the heads of the screws overlapped the
flange of the T-nut. Those screws prevent the t-nut from coming out
when the #10 flat-head screw goes in. Just wonder if I should use
Loc-tite on the threads of the flat-head screws. I'm planning to do
that -- just looking for confirmation that it's necessary. Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene Rambo
To: pietenpol-list
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 4:15 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: t-nuts vs anchor nuts
Actually, you can safety tee nuts. I epoxied mine in, but at the last
minute before covering I cut a bunch of strips of thin plywood say, 1/2"
by 1" and drilled a hole in the middle for the screw to protrude
through. Then I glued and nailed one across each tee nut. They won't
push out now . . .
Gene
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> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: t-nuts vs anchor nuts
> From: j_dunavin@hotmail.com
> Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 10:37:23 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
<j_dunavin@hotmail.com>
>
> I'm not at that point yet, so I couldn't say for for sure how I will
do mine, BUT if your technical advisor says to use anchor nuts or nut
plates, then I would. There is no way to saftey a tee nut, unless you
used lock tight.
> These nut plates are all metal and not too expensive:
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/anchornuts4.php
> and if you look at this doc:
>
http://www.coastfab.com/images/pdf/2010/nutplates_ms21059_ms21061.pdf
> They self lock due to the fact that the hole is a little out of
round.
>
> If all else fails, this is actual AN hardware, not true value
hardware.
>
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I love photos of nude women in Pietenpols! Are they coming to Brodhead with
you this year? They wouldn't need to pack any clothes.
For Heaven's Sake, Do Not Archive
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 2:32 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: passengers
my wife and her friend wanted a photo today..
They improve the look of the piet in my opinion..
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Looks great Jeff....nothing makes a Piet look better than naked women.
Brian
SLC-UT
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Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 12:32 PM
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my wife and her friend wanted a photo today..
They improve the look of the piet in my opinion..
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: cable guides |
Hey! This is an experimental airplane. You can build it any way you
want. C
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To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 10:08 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: cable guides
The plans seem to show cable guides just outboard of the pulley going
to the stick and another in the area where the strut joins the spar.
Are just these two required or have people included more guides along
the distance?
Ralph in South Dakota
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Which is your wife and which is the friend -- some of these young bucks
would probably like to know!
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Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 2:32 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: passengers
> <jfaith@solairusaviation.com>
>
> my wife and her friend wanted a photo today..
> They improve the look of the piet in my opinion..
>
> do not archive.
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> jeff
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| Subject: | Going off-list for a while |
Friends and fellow Pietsters:
It grieves me to say this but I will be going off-list for a while and will be
just getting the digest version while I am recuperating from back surgery. I
opted to do this now since I cannot stand to sit in the Piet for more than 10-minutes
before my back gives out. I 'spect that might get even worse when the
seat is moving - - so - - while I am still young enough to recover I am going
in for the big fix.
Feel free to use my name in vain or whatever while I am gone but rest assured -
- I SHALL RETURN!
Tom Stinemetze
N328X
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Perhaps a video on how to properly enter and exit a Pietenpol is in order here?
Just a thought...and a good one!
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John Francis
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Hi Tom,
Good luck with the back surgery; just be sure to let it heal before doing anything
that might push it too soon. My wife has had 3 back surgerys and pushed too
hard; but thankfully now is better.
Cheers,
Jim B.
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Man you know you're starting to get slightly over the hill when you
say "oh yes, those ladies are very pretty" then go about examining
your construction choices and methods Jeff! 'let's see...is that a Model
A or B...' 19" wheels or 18"? Well you just combined two of the three
male pilot's favorite passions....ladies, airplanes, and food.
Mike C.
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Its beginning to look almost like an airplane. I started the initial
mating of the wings to the fuselage last evening. Cheers, Ken
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Not a video but a step-by-step procedure is in the archives. Search "How to
be a Proper Pietenpol Passenger"
Greg Cardinal
Minneapolis
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Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 2:48 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: passengers
>
> Perhaps a video on how to properly enter and exit a Pietenpol is in order
> here? Just a thought...and a good one!
>
> --------
> John Francis
>
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Looks just great Ken! Looks like a Corvair motor mount.
Bet that was exciting to see all those big parts together! Way to go.
Mike C.
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Ididn't realize the looked naked but now that I look again....well I....uh see
that.
..both in sun dresses ..wife in the back..
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| Subject: | Re: Wing attachment |
Looks a lot like an airplane. Nice work area too!
Michael Perez
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| Subject: | Re: Going off-list for a while |
Tom I sure hate you need surgery. I had surgery in 1990. My doctor had me to walk.
When I say wall I mean every day starting a week after surgery. I started
out walking 100 feet then retreating to the house. After 6 months I was up to
3 miles. I still walk every day. That is my $0.02 Good luck
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
thru covering and painting, now in final assembly
21" wheels
Lycoming O-235 C2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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Oh sure - and you expect us to believe that? I still want to know if
they'll be at Brodhead. That may determine whether I make the trip this
year or not.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bender
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 7:31 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: passengers
Ididn't realize the looked naked but now that I look again....well I....uh
see that.
..both in sun dresses ..wife in the back..
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Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: t-nuts vs anchor nuts |
whats a good source for the t nuts. paul
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| Subject: | Re: Going off-list for a while |
Tom,
Best wishes! Get back (pun intended)to us as soon as possible. In your honor, I
promise to use your name in vain, as often as possible...
Gary from Cool
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------Original Message------
From: TOM STINEMETZE
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Going off-list for a while
Sent: Jun 6, 2012 12:20 PM
Friends and fellow Pietsters:
It grieves me to say this but I will be going off-list for a while and will be
just getting the digest version while I am recuperating from back surgery. I
opted to do this now since I cannot stand to sit in the Piet for more than 10-minutes
before my back gives out. I 'spect that might get even worse when the
seat is moving - - so - - while I am still young enough to recover I am going
in for the big fix.
Feel free to use my name in vain or whatever while I am gone but rest assured -
- I SHALL RETURN!
Tom Stinemetze
N328X
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Greg,
In this case, there is NOTHING wrong with an additional guide....do you
understand? Nothing.... ;-)
Ryan
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> gcardinal@comcast.net>
>
> Not a video but a step-by-step procedure is in the archives. Search "How
> to be a Proper Pietenpol Passenger"
>
> Greg Cardinal
> Minneapolis
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Francis" <Mrkringles@msn.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 2:48 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: passengers
>
>
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>> Perhaps a video on how to properly enter and exit a Pietenpol is in order
>> here? Just a thought...and a good one!
>>
>> --------
>> John Francis
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Make sure there is a towel on the seat....
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John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2424 American Lane
Madison, WI 53704
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
On Jun 6, 2012, at 7:51 PM, Jack Phillips wrote:
<pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
>
> Oh sure - and you expect us to believe that? I still want to know if
> they'll be at Brodhead. That may determine whether I make the trip
this
> year or not.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bender
> Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 7:31 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: passengers
>
<jfaith@solairusaviation.com>
>
> Ididn't realize the looked naked but now that I look again....well
I....uh
> see that.
> ..both in sun dresses ..wife in the back..
>
> do not archive
>
> Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: t-nuts vs anchor nuts |
Thanks to Chris and all the others who responded to my question.
It is hard to remember that the Sky Scout will not be the same as the
Waiex in speed and performance! My spacing measures about 3 inches, so
I should be OK. I have epoxied in the anchor nuts and will go back and
maybe apply the plywood covers to be sure. Sure don't want the nuts to
come loose in there!
I agree, it will be easy to check before each flight to see if the
ailerons are still attached well.
Thanks again for the speedy response.
Sure missed you at Fraiser Lake, Chris.
Ray Krause
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 2:04 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: t-nuts vs anchor nuts
Ray
Mine are on 7 to 8 inch centers. Not flight tested but I have tugged
on the aileron and have not noticed any problem. I was more worried
about making a weak spot along the aileron spar if I put them closer. If
you look at mike Cuy's aileron hinges his are spread apart too. Remember
the flight speed between the aluminum plane and the Pietenpol is way
different. On a faster plane I would want them closer.
Chris
Sacramento, Ca
Westcoastpiet.com
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray
Krause
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 8:03 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: t-nuts vs anchor nuts
What spacing did you use with the T nuts/screws on the ailerons? When
using the piano MS--- type hinges on an aluminum plane, we put one rivet
at each hinge extension (the attach point). I am using the 1" wide MS
--- aluminum piano hinges and have installed 8-24 screws and the self
locking nut plates at every 3rd hinge extension. This does not seem as
good as, or as stable, as having an anchor at each hinge extension.
Placing the nut plate/screws any closer together may create a "fault
line", or weak point, along the aileron beams (spars).
Also, the self locking (slightly ovaled) nut plates work very well
with bolts with hex heads. But TOO well with Phillip head screws. The
nut plates are so tight they cause the heads to strip out before the
screw can be secured. I have opened the nut plates with an 8-24 tap
before installation so the oval is not so severe. I will use loctite
when I make the final installation.
Suggestions would help.
Thanks in advance.....
Ray Krause
Building the Sky Scout.
----- Original Message -----
From: shad bell
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 6:00 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: t-nuts vs anchor nuts
You could try crimping the T nut a little bit, to a slight
oval shape to make it more like a lock-nut. I have never tried it (just
popped in my head after replacing a couple nutplates at work today) but
it might be worth experimenting. Otherwise just use some good
locktight.
We have 304+hrs with T-nuts on the aileron hinges and no
problems.
Shad
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: t-nuts vs anchor nuts
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Date: Tuesday, June 5, 2012, 12:29 PM
<Mrkringles@msn.com>
Yes, to mount the piano hinge. Thanks.
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| Subject: | Re: t-nuts vs anchor nuts |
You know=2C even without any provisions to prevent loosening=2C the aileron
hinges have a screw every say 6"=2C so there are something like ten in eac
h aileron. The screws are about an inch and a quarter=2C or half. How in
the world could enough of the ten back out far enough to do any harm at all
without you noticing it? Carry a screwdriver=2C put a drop of glue of som
e kind=2C or even locktite on the screws=2C and don't worry about it. 8)
From: cncampbell@windstream.net
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: t-nuts vs anchor nuts
Gene=2C I also used T-nuts. I had some #4X1/2-inch
sheet metal screws on hand so I drilled a small pilot hole beside each t-nu
t on
each side and ran a screw into each so that the heads of the screws overlap
ped
the flange of the T-nut. Those screws prevent the t-nut from coming out
when the #10 flat-head screw goes in. Just wonder if I should use Loc-tite
on the threads of the flat-head screws. I'm planning to do that -- just
looking for confirmation that it's necessary. Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From:
Gene Rambo
To: pietenpol-list
Sent: Tuesday=2C June 05=2C 2012 4:15
PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: t-nuts
vs anchor nuts
Actually=2C you can safety tee nuts. I epoxied mine in=2C but
at the last minute before covering I cut a bunch of strips of
thin plywood say=2C 1/2" by 1" and drilled a hole in the middle for the
screw to protrude through. Then I glued and nailed one across each tee
nut. They won't push out now . . .
Gene
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> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: t-nuts vs
anchor nuts
> From: j_dunavin@hotmail.com
> Date: Tue=2C 5 Jun 2012
10:37:23 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
>
<j_dunavin@hotmail.com>
>
> I'm not at that point yet=2C so I
couldn't say for for sure how I will do mine=2C BUT if your technical adv
isor
says to use anchor nuts or nut plates=2C then I would. There is no way to
saftey
a tee nut=2C unless you used lock tight.
> These nut plates are all metal
and not too expensive:
>
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/anchornuts4.php
> and if
you look at this doc:
>
http://www.coastfab.com/images/pdf/2010/nutplates_ms21059_ms21061.pdf
>
They self lock due to the fact that the hole is a little out of round.
>
> If all else fails=2C this is actual AN hardware=2C not true
value hardware.
>
>
>
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> Read this topic
online here:
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> Subject: Pietenpol-List: passengers
> From: jfaith@solairusaviation.com
> Date: Wed=2C 6 Jun 2012 11:32:01 -0700
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| Subject: | Re: Wing attachment |
Mike C -- good eyes. Yes, I'm planning on the Corvair. The bottom end is
at Roy's Garage in Michigan having a 5th bearing installed. Mike P --
thanks. Our hangar makes a nice shop. But usually there is a Piper Pacer
living in it, too. For the next couple weeks, it is having a stay-over at
a friend's hangar, giving me a chance to start the work on mating the
wings on the Pietenpol. Cheers, Ken
On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>wrote:
> Looks a lot like an airplane. Nice work area too!
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> Michael Perez
> Pietenpol HINT Videos
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> www.karetakeraero.com
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