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1. 01:05 AM - flight advice (Oscar Zuniga)
2. 03:22 AM - Re: Re: t-nuts vs anchor nuts (John Kuhfahl)
3. 05:19 AM - Re: flight advice (Jerry Dotson)
4. 06:40 AM - tire pressure on motorcycle wheeled Piets (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
5. 06:50 AM - Re: Going off-list for a while (Jack)
6. 07:37 AM - Re: Re: passengers (Dan Yocum)
7. 08:12 AM - Re: tire pressure on motorcycle wheeled Piets (bender)
8. 09:07 AM - Re: passengers (bender)
9. 09:09 AM - Re: passengers (Jack)
10. 09:09 AM - Re: Wing attachment (curtdm(at)gmail.com)
11. 11:12 AM - Re: tire pressure on motorcycle wheeled Piets (Jerry Dotson)
12. 11:31 AM - taxi testing in Florida and FAA's 1st Flight Test Guide--really good (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
13. 12:32 PM - Re: tire pressure on motorcycle wheeled Piets (kevinpurtee)
14. 12:33 PM - Re: tire pressure on motorcycle wheeled Piets (helspersew@aol.com)
15. 12:51 PM - Re: tire pressure on motorcycle wheeled Piets (Jack Phillips)
16. 01:47 PM - Re: taxi testing in Florida and FAA's 1st Flight Test Guide--rea (Jerry Dotson)
17. 03:50 PM - Sorry, but I couldn't find a beet field... (Dale Mccleskey)
18. 04:59 PM - Re: Re: flight advice (airlion)
19. 05:15 PM - Re: flight advice (Jerry Dotson)
20. 05:53 PM - Re: Sorry, but I couldn't find a beet field... (Jim Markle)
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Jerry=3B
You will get varying advice=2C but for first flights mine is: lift it off a
t 50-55 or so. Climb out at 65 so the controls are responsive and you don'
t mush. Fly your pattern at 65. Hold final at 65 till you're on short fina
l=2C calm air=2C then let it bleed to 55 as you come over the threshold. I
f there is a cross-wind=2C you are on your own! Taildragger pilot=2C do wh
at you know how to do with these airplanes because this one is a stick and
rudder airplane and it likes to come down when the power comes off.
Over the numbers=2C if you have the nerve to look at the airspeed indicator
=2C let 55 bleed on down to 45 when the lift will be all gone and you'd bet
ter be able to reach out from the cockpit and touch the numbers painted on
the runway because... any slower than that... you'll be squeaking the tires
on the ground. And if you don't=2C get ready for a bounce!
The ASI is all but useless beginning from when you're over the numbers=2C s
o don't bother looking at it. You fly this airplane by feel and by sound an
d by peripheral vision when you're down by the numbers. This airplane is a
lways instructing and it doesn't care about you as a pilot at all. It's go
ing to fly like a stick and rudder airplane no matter what you do! If you'
re a good taildragger pilot=2C you and the Piet will quickly be great frien
ds. If you're not a good taildragger pilot=2C you'll soon learn and THEN y
ou'll be great friends! This airplane is so much fun to fly.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket"
Medford=2C OR
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: t-nuts vs anchor nuts |
ebay right now--#8-32,$10.00/100,free ship. John
On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 8:10 PM, nightmare <pauldonahuepilot@yahoo.com>wrote:
> pauldonahuepilot@yahoo.com>
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> whats a good source for the t nuts. paul
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John Kuhfahl, Lt Col USAF (Ret),
President, KUHLCOUPER LLC
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| Subject: | Re: flight advice |
Thanks Oscar. I will respect her. Way back when I flew the Stearman so much I hardly
ever looked at the airspeed. I could tell from the song of the wires how
it was doing. I sure appreciate the advice.
When are you going to get Scout home?
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
thru covering and painting, now in final assembly
21" wheels
Lycoming O-235 C2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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| Subject: | tire pressure on motorcycle wheeled Piets |
Is that a good-looking Pietenpol of Jerry's or what? That's going to get
up and climb with that big engine.
One thing that crossed my mind due to recent experience is adjusting tire p
ressure to get grandma's feather
bed just right. Or is that Goldilocks? Never no mind, but a few pounds
too much tire pressure in our motorcycle
tires can make the plane bounce pretty good on landing-especially if your b
ungees don't have much give.
I like to keep my bungee cords pretty tight so I have aileron authority in
crosswinds. If the bungees are too loose
you can actually have a strong crosswind get under one wing instead of bein
g able to dig into it. Enough about that.
I've found that 18 to 20 psi in the motorcycle wheels works well on pavemen
t. Your mileage may vary.
The plus side to higher tire pressures is that your takeoff roll will be fa
ster. You play with the pressures and find out
what works best for your suspension and runway environment. This all mak
es me want to go fly. Think I'll burn
some hydrocarbons soon.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Going off-list for a while |
Tom, you will do great! My recovery was quite short when building my RV8.
Wishing you a speedy recovery!
Jack
Jack Textor
DSM
NX1929T
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of TOM
STINEMETZE
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 2:20 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Going off-list for a while
Friends and fellow Pietsters:
It grieves me to say this but I will be going off-list for a while and will
be just getting the digest version while I am recuperating from back
surgery. I opted to do this now since I cannot stand to sit in the Piet for
more than 10-minutes before my back gives out. I 'spect that might get even
worse when the seat is moving - - so - - while I am still young enough to
recover I am going in for the big fix.
Feel free to use my name in vain or whatever while I am gone but rest
assured - - I SHALL RETURN!
Tom Stinemetze
N328X
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Jeff,
Is your wife's friend married or otherwise involved with anyone? I
happen to know this other handsome, single, Pietenpol-minded gentleman
who is available...
</me looks in Ryan's direction>
Dan
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| Subject: | Re: tire pressure on motorcycle wheeled Piets |
I was wondering about that just the other day as i rolled the piet around the hangar...i
would think a little resistance from the lower pressure would be good
on asphalt...
thanks Mike
jeff
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there's a bit too much work left to get it to brodhead this year..
but maybe next year..
she is recently single... and a handfull..hard to keep up with
my wife, Christine, can't wait till i get 40 hours in..
jeff
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Jeff now we know why your employer is allowing you to "utilize" the hangar!
Jack Textor
DSM
NX1929T
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bender
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 1:32 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: passengers
my wife and her friend wanted a photo today..
They improve the look of the piet in my opinion..
do not archive.
jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Wing attachment |
Looks great Ken! Can't wait to see it!
Curt Merdan
Flower Mound
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| Subject: | Re: tire pressure on motorcycle wheeled Piets |
Mike my Piet weighs 812 pounds empty. I aired my tires up and just barely took
the "squat" out of them. I think it was 35 psi. It taxis fine. Just put her up
from a few runs. I got fast enough for the tail to come up twice....felt good.
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
thru covering and painting, now in final assembly
21" wheels
Lycoming O-235 C2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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| Subject: | taxi testing in Florida and FAA's 1st Flight Test Guide--really |
good
Good report Jerry! I see scattered thunderstorms hit or miss across Flor
ida on
the radar. Good to hear you've got some decent weather to taxi test in. T
he day
is still young:)
Mike C.
By the way, for all who are getting close to flight testing or might be
in the next year or so this is an outstanding guide by the FAA.
Just paging thru this document I found a section that describes
in detail how to determine the unusable fuel for you fuel system and engine
combination. There is a great section on weight and balance calculations
too.
http://www.faa.gov/library/manuals/aircraft/media/ac90-89a.pdf
Fuel Flow and Unusable Fuel Check: This
is a field test to ensure the aircraft engine will get
enough fuel to run properly, even if the aircraft is
in a steep climb or stall attitude.
(1) First, place the aircraft's nose at an
angle 5 degrees above the highest anticipated climb
angle. The easiest and safest way to do this with
a conventional gear aircraft is to dig a hole and place
the aircraft's tail in it. For a nose gear aircraft, build
a ramp to raise the nose gear to the proper angle.
(2) Make sure the aircraft is tied-down and
chocked. With minimum fuel in the tanks, disconnect
the fuel line to carburetor. The fuel flow with a gravity
flow system should be 150 percent of the fuel
consumption of the engine at full throttle. With a
fuel system that is pressurized, the fuel flow should
be at least 125 percent. When the fuel stops flowing,
the remaining fuel is the ''unusable fuel'' quantity.
(3) Since the fuel consumption of most
modern engines is approximately .55 pounds per
brake horsepower per hour for a 100 horsepower
engine, the test fuel flow should be 82.5 pounds (13.7
gallons) per hour for gravity feed, or 68.75 pounds
(11.5 gallons) per hour for a pressurized system. The
pounds per hour divided by 60 equals 1.4 pounds
and 1.15 pounds per minute fuel rate respectively.
NOTE: Formula for fuel flow rate gravity
feed is .55 x engine horsepower x 1.50
pounds of fuel per hour divided by 60 to
get pounds per minute, divided by 6 to get
gallons per minute. For a pressurized system,
substitute 1.25 for 1.50 to.......
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| Subject: | Re: tire pressure on motorcycle wheeled Piets |
Jerry - My landing gear is configured differently and my plane's a little lighter,
but I've used 35 psi to good effect.
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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| Subject: | Re: tire pressure on motorcycle wheeled Piets |
I don't know about y'all, but my Piet reeeeeally likes to roll on those big
wheeels. Its hard to hold her back even in the grass at idle. I recently s
witched brake lining material (Piet-ish band brakes) and the new stuff work
s great and really bites in, so much so that I can hold it back on run-up.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage
Partners, LLC] <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
Sent: Thu, Jun 7, 2012 11:11 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: tire pressure on motorcycle wheeled Piets
Is that a good-looking Pietenpol of Jerry=99s or what? That
=99s going to get up and climb with that big engine.
One thing that crossed my mind due to recent experience is adjusting tire p
ressure to get grandma=99s feather
bed just right. Or is that Goldilocks? Never no mind, but a few pounds
too much tire pressure in our motorcycle
tires can make the plane bounce pretty good on landing=94especially i
f your bungees don=99t have much give.
I like to keep my bungee cords pretty tight so I have aileron authority in
crosswinds. If the bungees are too loose
you can actually have a strong crosswind get under one wing instead of bein
g able to dig into it. Enough about that.
I=99ve found that 18 to 20 psi in the motorcycle wheels works well on
pavement. Your mileage may vary.
The plus side to higher tire pressures is that your takeoff roll will be fa
ster. You play with the pressures and find out
what works best for your suspension and runway environment. This all mak
es me want to go fly. Think I=99ll burn
some hydrocarbons soon.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | tire pressure on motorcycle wheeled Piets |
Yeah, mine likes to roll, too. My brakes (Cleveland hydraulic disc brakes)
will barely hold it for a runup and cannot hold it at full throttle.
Airplanes quit using big wheels about the time they started putting brakes
on them.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
helspersew@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 3:33 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: tire pressure on motorcycle wheeled Piets
I don't know about y'all, but my Piet reeeeeally likes to roll on those big
wheeels. Its hard to hold her back even in the grass at idle. I recently
switched brake lining material (Piet-ish band brakes) and the new stuff
works great and really bites in, so much so that I can hold it back on
run-up.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage
Partners, LLC] <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
Sent: Thu, Jun 7, 2012 11:11 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: tire pressure on motorcycle wheeled Piets
Is that a good-looking Pietenpol of Jerry's or what? That's going to get
up and climb with that big engine.
One thing that crossed my mind due to recent experience is adjusting tire
pressure to get grandma's feather
bed just right. Or is that Goldilocks? Never no mind, but a few pounds
too much tire pressure in our motorcycle
tires can make the plane bounce pretty good on landing-especially if your
bungees don't have much give.
I like to keep my bungee cords pretty tight so I have aileron authority in
crosswinds. If the bungees are too loose
you can actually have a strong crosswind get under one wing instead of being
able to dig into it. Enough about that.
I've found that 18 to 20 psi in the motorcycle wheels works well on
pavement. Your mileage may vary.
The plus side to higher tire pressures is that your takeoff roll will be
faster. You play with the pressures and find out
what works best for your suspension and runway environment. This all
makes me want to go fly. Think I'll burn
some hydrocarbons soon.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: taxi testing in Florida and FAA's 1st Flight Test |
Guide--rea
I have that publication. It is good stuff. Thanks. I have been reading it for a
month now. I took the gas line off the carb and let it flow into a gallon milk
jug. It took 75 seconds to fill so that figures 48 gallons an hour. It is raining
kittens and puppies right now but will taxi more tomorrow. I am going to
tie her down and run the engine at full power for 1 minute just to build my
confidence in it some more. You see I know the mechanic that overhauled it and
he looked a lot like me.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
thru covering and painting, now in final assembly
21" wheels
Lycoming O-235 C2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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| Subject: | Sorry, but I couldn't find a beet field... |
Well guys, I put N7035N down on a farm turn row in OK last saturday. Hung a
wing on the corn and did the slickest "hide the airplane in the corn" trick
you ever saw. Pictures attached. I've always told my wife that if I ever
had to set the piet down in an emergency that I might bend the plane but
wouldn't bend me. Proved the plane is a very tough little critter. Only
broke the tailwheel and tailpost. It never did back up well and I guess
backing into a muddy corn field is even worse.
Funny part is as much as I've enjoyed the plane, I haven't flown it enough
to justify the costs of housing and insuring it. June 2 was our 40th
wedding anniversary, so my gift to my wife was getting rid of the plane. I
determined to sell it when I got back from flight to Texas and back from
Tennessee. On leg out of Davis Field, Muskogee, OK (MKO) I was climbing out
and lost power. Just like I'd pulled the throttle. The FAA folks at the
FSDO have convinced me it was carb ice. I've always pulled carb heat
landing, but never on takeoff. Conditions were just perfect for ice. Super
high humidity with unseasonable cold after thundershowers. I had to wait on
the ramp for traffic to clear so had been running it a bit. Anyway, that's
my story and I'm sticking to it.
If anybody wants to shortcut building a GN1 variant of the Pietenpol, do I
have a deal for you. I just didn't want to sell the plane and look over my
shoulder with liability issues for the next 20 years. So I'm decertifying
it and selling it for parts. Catch is it's a complete plane with A65, wings
completely unharmed. Only damage to the fuse is the the tailwheel/tailpost,
and a bent carb heat box. No prop strike and I have a brand new Cloudcars
prop, only flown to Texas and part way back. I took the prop off to hang on
the wall but could be talked out of it. Can't imagine anything better than
building and flying the Aircamper, and you guys (including of the female
type category) are great. I'm gonna keep a toe in the Piet community.
Thanks guys. Give me a scream if your interested in the plane 615-754-9159
Dale McCleskey
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Adult Ministry Publishing MS# 152
LifeWay Christian Resources
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(615)251-3670
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| Subject: | Re: flight advice |
Jerry, with your experience you won't have any trouble. Just fly it like you
flew your crop dusters. My first flight I didn't even have an airspeed
indicator. Believe it or not I had my AS hooked up to the wrong port I can't
believe admitted that. By the way, what id your empty weight come out to be?
Gardiner
----- Original Message ----
From: Jerry Dotson <jdotson@centurylink.net>
Sent: Thu, June 7, 2012 8:24:18 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: flight advice
Thanks Oscar. I will respect her. Way back when I flew the Stearman so much I
hardly ever looked at the airspeed. I could tell from the song of the wires how
it was doing. I sure appreciate the advice.
When are you going to get Scout home?
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
thru covering and painting, now in final assembly
21" wheels
Lycoming O-235 C2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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| Subject: | Re: flight advice |
Gardiner,
Empty weight was 812#. Heavy but 115 horsepower and 32' 6" wing it should be OK.
My son is borrowing a digital scale so we can test the thrust it makes tomorrow.
The famous "fish scale" was not here so my thrust test will not be an official
Pietenpol result! Right now if all goes well and this stinking low pressure
will let me Saturday morning first flight.
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
thru covering and painting, now in final assembly
21" wheels
Lycoming O-235 C2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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