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1. 06:03 AM - Beet field (helspersew@aol.com)
2. 09:13 AM - books to buy (nightmare)
3. 09:33 AM - Re: books to buy (brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com)
4. 10:03 AM - Re: books to buy (Jack Phillips)
5. 10:07 AM - Re: Sorry, but I couldn't find a beet field... (Jack Phillips)
6. 11:12 AM - Re: Sorry, but I couldn't find a beet field... (Dale Mccleskey)
7. 11:22 AM - Carb Icing (Gerry Holland)
8. 12:25 PM - Re: Sorry, but I couldn't find a beet field... (Michael Perez)
9. 12:27 PM - Re: Carb Icing (bender)
10. 01:03 PM - Re: Sorry, but I couldn't find a beet field... (Dale Mccleskey)
11. 01:29 PM - Willy Nilly about carb heat (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
12. 01:38 PM - Re: books to buy (nightmare)
13. 03:25 PM - Anyone in the Omaha area??? (Jim Markle)
14. 03:38 PM - Anyone in the Omaha area???? (Jim Markle)
15. 05:53 PM - STATIC THRUST TESTS (Jerry Dotson)
16. 05:58 PM - Re: STATIC THRUST TESTS (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
17. 06:24 PM - 37 Days (IT Girl)
18. 06:34 PM - Re: 37 Days (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
19. 06:44 PM - Re: 37 Days (John Francis)
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Dale,
Thank God you are OK, that is the main thing. So sorry for this mishap. Sav
ing the airplane must always be kept as NOT important when the airplane go
es down.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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purchasing the four set of bingelis books. was wondering if i should also purchase
the " wood building techniques", or do the bingelis books cover what i need
to know? thanks; paul
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Buy it.....good info.
Brian
SLC-ut
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
nightmare
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 10:11 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: books to buy
--> <pauldonahuepilot@yahoo.com>
purchasing the four set of bingelis books. was wondering if i should
also purchase the " wood building techniques", or do the bingelis books
cover what i need to know? thanks; paul
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The EAA wood book is worth havng, as is their aircraft welding book. Among
other things, their welding book tells how to flatten the ends of tubing and
there are several places on a Pietenpol where this technique is required.
With those 6 books, virtually everything you need to know to build a
Pietenpol is covered.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nightmare
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 12:11 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: books to buy
<pauldonahuepilot@yahoo.com>
purchasing the four set of bingelis books. was wondering if i should also
purchase the " wood building techniques", or do the bingelis books cover
what i need to know? thanks; paul
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| Subject: | Sorry, but I couldn't find a beet field... |
Glad to hear you=92re safe, Dale. Planes can be rebuilt ' people
can=92t. I=92ll
bet it was carb ice ' I=92ve had similar experiences with a 65
Continental on
my J-3 Cub years ago. It seems just about the worst set of conditions
are
high humidity and about 50=B0. I taxied a long way in such conditions
once
and the engine just quit as I started to do my runup. After a couple of
minutes it ran fine again.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dale
Mccleskey
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 6:47 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sorry, but I couldn't find a beet field...
Well guys, I put N7035N down on a farm turn row in OK last saturday.
Hung a
wing on the corn and did the slickest "hide the airplane in the corn"
trick
you ever saw. Pictures attached. I've always told my wife that if I ever
had
to set the piet down in an emergency that I might bend the plane but
wouldn't bend me. Proved the plane is a very tough little critter. Only
broke the tailwheel and tailpost. It never did back up well and I guess
backing into a muddy corn field is even worse.
Funny part is as much as I've enjoyed the plane, I haven't flown it
enough
to justify the costs of housing and insuring it. June 2 was our 40th
wedding
anniversary, so my gift to my wife was getting rid of the plane. I
determined to sell it when I got back from flight to Texas and back from
Tennessee. On leg out of Davis Field, Muskogee, OK (MKO) I was climbing
out
and lost power. Just like I'd pulled the throttle. The FAA folks at the
FSDO
have convinced me it was carb ice. I've always pulled carb heat landing,
but
never on takeoff. Conditions were just perfect for ice. Super high
humidity
with unseasonable cold after thundershowers. I had to wait on the ramp
for
traffic to clear so had been running it a bit. Anyway, that's my story
and
I'm sticking to it.
If anybody wants to shortcut building a GN1 variant of the Pietenpol, do
I
have a deal for you. I just didn't want to sell the plane and look over
my
shoulder with liability issues for the next 20 years. So I'm
decertifying it
and selling it for parts. Catch is it's a complete plane with A65, wings
completely unharmed. Only damage to the fuse is the the
tailwheel/tailpost,
and a bent carb heat box. No prop strike and I have a brand new
Cloudcars
prop, only flown to Texas and part way back. I took the prop off to hang
on
the wall but could be talked out of it. Can't imagine anything better
than
building and flying the Aircamper, and you guys (including of the female
type category) are great. I'm gonna keep a toe in the Piet community.
Thanks
guys. Give me a scream if your interested in the plane 615-754-9159
Dale McCleskey
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Dale McCleskey, Editor
Adult Ministry Publishing MS# 152
LifeWay Christian Resources
One LifeWay Plaza
Nashville, Tennessee 37234
(615)251-3670
We will serve churches in their mission of making disciples.
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| Subject: | Re: Sorry, but I couldn't find a beet field... |
Thanks Jack and Dan,
I'd sure warn anyone under similar conditions to pull carb heat, but I just
never thought it could be a problem on take off. You life and learn, and
sometimes you thresh....
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On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 12:05 PM, Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>wrot
e:
> ** ** ** ** ** **
>
> Glad to hear you=92re safe, Dale. Planes can be rebuilt ' people can
=92t.
> I=92ll bet it was carb ice ' I=92ve had similar experiences with a 65
> Continental on my J-3 Cub years ago. It seems just about the worst set o
f
> conditions are high humidity and about 50=B0. I taxied a long way in suc
h
> conditions once and the engine just quit as I started to do my runup.
> After a couple of minutes it ran fine again.****
>
> ** **
>
> Jack Phillips****
>
> NX899JP****
>
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia****
>
> ** **
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Dale Mccleskey
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 07, 2012 6:47 PM
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Sorry, but I couldn't find a beet field...****
>
> ** **
>
> Well guys, I put N7035N down on a farm turn row in OK last saturday. Hung
> a wing on the corn and did the slickest "hide the airplane in the corn"
> trick you ever saw. Pictures attached. I've always told my wife that if I
> ever had to set the piet down in an emergency that I might bend the plane
> but wouldn't bend me. Proved the plane is a very tough little critter. On
ly
> broke the tailwheel and tailpost. It never did back up well and I guess
> backing into a muddy corn field is even worse.
>
> Funny part is as much as I've enjoyed the plane, I haven't flown it enoug
h
> to justify the costs of housing and insuring it. June 2 was our 40th
> wedding anniversary, so my gift to my wife was getting rid of the plane.
I
> determined to sell it when I got back from flight to **Texas** and back
> from ****Tennessee****. On leg out of Davis Field, ****Muskogee**, **OK**
*
> * (MKO) I was climbing out and lost power. Just like I'd pulled the
> throttle. The FAA folks at the FSDO have convinced me it was carb ice. I'
ve
> always pulled carb heat landing, but never on takeoff. Conditions were ju
st
> perfect for ice. Super high humidity with unseasonable cold after
> thundershowers. I had to wait on the ramp for traffic to clear so had bee
n
> running it a bit. Anyway, that's my story and I'm sticking to it.
>
> If anybody wants to shortcut building a GN1 variant of the Pietenpol, do
I
> have a deal for you. I just didn't want to sell the plane and look over m
y
> shoulder with liability issues for the next 20 years. So I'm decertifying
> it and selling it for parts. Catch is it's a complete plane with A65, win
gs
> completely unharmed. Only damage to the fuse is the the tailwheel/tailpos
t,
> and a bent carb heat box. No prop strike and I have a brand new Cloudcars
> prop, only flown to ****Texas**** and part way back. I took the prop off
> to hang on the wall but could be talked out of it. Can't imagine anything
> better than building and flying the Aircamper, and you guys (including of
> the female type category) are great. I'm gonna keep a toe in the Piet
> community. Thanks guys. Give me a scream if your interested in the plane
> 615-754-9159
>
> Dale McCleskey
>
> --
> Dale McCleskey, Editor
> Adult Ministry Publishing MS# 152
> LifeWay Christian Resources
> One ****LifeWay** **Plaza****
> ****Nashville**, **Tennessee** **37234****
> (615)251-3670
>
> We will serve churches in their mission of making disciples.****
>
> *
>
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Dale McCleskey, Editor
Adult Ministry Publishing MS# 152
LifeWay Christian Resources
One LifeWay Plaza
Nashville, Tennessee 37234
(615)251-3670
We will serve churches in their mission of making disciples.
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Here is a link to an Air Accident Investigation Branch Report on an engine failure
I had just after take off in February this year here in UK
I too thought that descent was the real 'catch me' for Carb icing. It isn't as
you can read.
My engine is a standard Continental A75 in a Corben Junior.
Regards
Gerry
http://www.aaib.gov.uk/publications/bulletins/may_2012/corben_junior_ace_model_e__g_bsdi.cfm
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| Subject: | Re: Sorry, but I couldn't find a beet field... |
Glad to hear that ultimately, it worked out.- I am curious, how far into
the corn field did the truck need to drive in to get to the plane? Was the
owner of the field upset?
The reason I ask is because I have thought about those kinds of situations
and wondered how the owners of the fields act... with or without a shotgun
in hand...
Michael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
=0A
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I had a Cessna 120 for about ten years.. the manual actually had you turn the carb
heat on before takeoff and off as you got to full power on the roll.
it had a c90 and it was an ice maker... twice i thought i was going to land prematurely
... once over a plowed field near toledo and another time i was 7000
feet above an airport in indiana.. no fear on that one.
both times with heat and sinking to warmer air things cleared up...
it happens fast when conditions are right
i hope the full time heat on my A works !
jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Sorry, but I couldn't find a beet field... |
Michael,
I was fortunate in that regard. I actually landed on the turnrow between
two corn fields. Unfortunately there was a sprinkler right down the left
edge of the turnrow, so I had to cheat over to the right and thus snagged
the right wing in the corn. So I backed into the corn, only about 5 rows
deep. The farmer not only didn't shoot me, his family helped me pull the
wings off, get it out of the field, and put it in his barn.
One thing I've found flying across this country, you meet the nicest people
in the world at little airports, and sometimes corn fields. ;o)
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On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>wrote:
> Glad to hear that ultimately, it worked out. I am curious, how far into
> the corn field did the truck need to drive in to get to the plane? Was the
> owner of the field upset?
>
> The reason I ask is because I have thought about those kinds of situations
> and wondered how the owners of the fields act... with or without a shotgun
> in hand...
>
> Michael Perez
> Pietenpol HINT Videos
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
>
> **
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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Dale McCleskey, Editor
Adult Ministry Publishing MS# 152
LifeWay Christian Resources
One LifeWay Plaza
Nashville, Tennessee 37234
(615)251-3670
We will serve churches in their mission of making disciples.
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| Subject: | Willy Nilly about carb heat |
So glad you're okay Dale. Congratulations on a fantastic job of 'planting'
(forgive that one, please..)
your plane on that narrow dirt corn path. Wow...that's tight but you did g
reat.
I used my carb heat cable (okay abused!) control so much in the first 6 yea
rs of flying that it broke one fine day
so I replaced it. (there was a bind somewhere that I worked out and it was
n't lubed fully)
Being the willy nilly flyer that I am I always leave my carb heat on after
I check in on runup before takeoff. Most times
I'll actually start the takeoff roll with carb heat on and within the first
100 feet I make it cold. Just a precaution almost no
matter what the weather conditions are.
In other news I wonder if anyone has ever put a full-open spring on their t
hrottle arms in case their throttle linkage would
ever fail? I did this on the Corby Starlet I owned because I didn't like
the ball and socket setup that was required with
the linkage geometry. The airflow in the cowling would have pushed the t
hrottle arm to idle should that link have ever busted.
Just some thoughts.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: books to buy |
thanks Jack. Paul
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| Subject: | Anyone in the Omaha area??? |
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| Subject: | Anyone in the Omaha area???? |
I may be needing a place to store our 25' RV for a few weeks between the Olympic
Swim trials (June 28/29) in Omaha and....BRODHEAD (July 19-22).....
Wonder if there might be anyone in the general area with some room on their property?
Or maybe know of a (cheap) place I might be able to leave it for a few
weeks?
Let me know offlist please.
Jim in Pryor.....
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| Subject: | STATIC THRUST TESTS |
We ran some static thrust tests on my Piet this evening. Now realize these results
are not official as I did not have the OFFICIAL FISH SCALE so we borrowed
one. I did a 1 minute 20 second run at full power(2300 RPM). It stayed over 380#
all the time. 404 was seen several times but 380's most of the time. After
that run let it idle a bit to cool down then checked the thrust at 2000 RPM just
for the curiosity in me. It read 310# to 320#. That was surprising. I figured
it would be 200-250.
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
thru covering and painting, now in final assembly
21" wheels
Lycoming O-235 C2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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| Subject: | Re: STATIC THRUST TESTS |
Jerry
That's good news as being better than your expectations, I am liking the
0235 even more.
Good luck tomorrow, we want all the details even though we can be there,
were are with you. Please be sure to get video.
Great flight, safe trip
John
don't care you
decide to archive or not
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37 days until we begin our journey to Brodhead....Who is going to be there?
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Shelley Tumino
IT Girl
wife of "Axel"
NX899KP
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we are planning on a Thursday arrival
John Recine
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I'm coming!
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John Francis
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