---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 06/08/12: 19 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:03 AM - Beet field (helspersew@aol.com) 2. 09:13 AM - books to buy (nightmare) 3. 09:33 AM - Re: books to buy (brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com) 4. 10:03 AM - Re: books to buy (Jack Phillips) 5. 10:07 AM - Re: Sorry, but I couldn't find a beet field... (Jack Phillips) 6. 11:12 AM - Re: Sorry, but I couldn't find a beet field... (Dale Mccleskey) 7. 11:22 AM - Carb Icing (Gerry Holland) 8. 12:25 PM - Re: Sorry, but I couldn't find a beet field... (Michael Perez) 9. 12:27 PM - Re: Carb Icing (bender) 10. 01:03 PM - Re: Sorry, but I couldn't find a beet field... (Dale Mccleskey) 11. 01:29 PM - Willy Nilly about carb heat (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]) 12. 01:38 PM - Re: books to buy (nightmare) 13. 03:25 PM - Anyone in the Omaha area??? (Jim Markle) 14. 03:38 PM - Anyone in the Omaha area???? (Jim Markle) 15. 05:53 PM - STATIC THRUST TESTS (Jerry Dotson) 16. 05:58 PM - Re: STATIC THRUST TESTS (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 17. 06:24 PM - 37 Days (IT Girl) 18. 06:34 PM - Re: 37 Days (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 19. 06:44 PM - Re: 37 Days (John Francis) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:03:38 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Beet field From: helspersew@aol.com Dale, Thank God you are OK, that is the main thing. So sorry for this mishap. Sav ing the airplane must always be kept as NOT important when the airplane go es down. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:13:17 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: books to buy From: "nightmare" purchasing the four set of bingelis books. was wondering if i should also purchase the " wood building techniques", or do the bingelis books cover what i need to know? thanks; paul Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375017#375017 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:33:51 AM PST US From: brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: books to buy Buy it.....good info. Brian SLC-ut -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nightmare Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 10:11 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: books to buy --> purchasing the four set of bingelis books. was wondering if i should also purchase the " wood building techniques", or do the bingelis books cover what i need to know? thanks; paul Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375017#375017 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:03:55 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: books to buy The EAA wood book is worth havng, as is their aircraft welding book. Among other things, their welding book tells how to flatten the ends of tubing and there are several places on a Pietenpol where this technique is required. With those 6 books, virtually everything you need to know to build a Pietenpol is covered. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nightmare Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 12:11 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: books to buy purchasing the four set of bingelis books. was wondering if i should also purchase the " wood building techniques", or do the bingelis books cover what i need to know? thanks; paul Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375017#375017 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:07:49 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Sorry, but I couldn't find a beet field... Glad to hear you=92re safe, Dale. Planes can be rebuilt ' people can=92t. I=92ll bet it was carb ice ' I=92ve had similar experiences with a 65 Continental on my J-3 Cub years ago. It seems just about the worst set of conditions are high humidity and about 50=B0. I taxied a long way in such conditions once and the engine just quit as I started to do my runup. After a couple of minutes it ran fine again. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dale Mccleskey Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 6:47 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sorry, but I couldn't find a beet field... Well guys, I put N7035N down on a farm turn row in OK last saturday. Hung a wing on the corn and did the slickest "hide the airplane in the corn" trick you ever saw. Pictures attached. I've always told my wife that if I ever had to set the piet down in an emergency that I might bend the plane but wouldn't bend me. Proved the plane is a very tough little critter. Only broke the tailwheel and tailpost. It never did back up well and I guess backing into a muddy corn field is even worse. Funny part is as much as I've enjoyed the plane, I haven't flown it enough to justify the costs of housing and insuring it. June 2 was our 40th wedding anniversary, so my gift to my wife was getting rid of the plane. I determined to sell it when I got back from flight to Texas and back from Tennessee. On leg out of Davis Field, Muskogee, OK (MKO) I was climbing out and lost power. Just like I'd pulled the throttle. The FAA folks at the FSDO have convinced me it was carb ice. I've always pulled carb heat landing, but never on takeoff. Conditions were just perfect for ice. Super high humidity with unseasonable cold after thundershowers. I had to wait on the ramp for traffic to clear so had been running it a bit. Anyway, that's my story and I'm sticking to it. If anybody wants to shortcut building a GN1 variant of the Pietenpol, do I have a deal for you. I just didn't want to sell the plane and look over my shoulder with liability issues for the next 20 years. So I'm decertifying it and selling it for parts. Catch is it's a complete plane with A65, wings completely unharmed. Only damage to the fuse is the the tailwheel/tailpost, and a bent carb heat box. No prop strike and I have a brand new Cloudcars prop, only flown to Texas and part way back. I took the prop off to hang on the wall but could be talked out of it. Can't imagine anything better than building and flying the Aircamper, and you guys (including of the female type category) are great. I'm gonna keep a toe in the Piet community. Thanks guys. Give me a scream if your interested in the plane 615-754-9159 Dale McCleskey -- Dale McCleskey, Editor Adult Ministry Publishing MS# 152 LifeWay Christian Resources One LifeWay Plaza Nashville, Tennessee 37234 (615)251-3670 We will serve churches in their mission of making disciples. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:12:32 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sorry, but I couldn't find a beet field... From: Dale Mccleskey Thanks Jack and Dan, I'd sure warn anyone under similar conditions to pull carb heat, but I just never thought it could be a problem on take off. You life and learn, and sometimes you thresh.... do not archive On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 12:05 PM, Jack Phillips wrot e: > ** ** ** ** ** ** > > Glad to hear you=92re safe, Dale. Planes can be rebuilt ' people can =92t. > I=92ll bet it was carb ice ' I=92ve had similar experiences with a 65 > Continental on my J-3 Cub years ago. It seems just about the worst set o f > conditions are high humidity and about 50=B0. I taxied a long way in suc h > conditions once and the engine just quit as I started to do my runup. > After a couple of minutes it ran fine again.**** > > ** ** > > Jack Phillips**** > > NX899JP**** > > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia**** > > ** ** > ------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Dale Mccleskey > *Sent:* Thursday, June 07, 2012 6:47 PM > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Sorry, but I couldn't find a beet field...**** > > ** ** > > Well guys, I put N7035N down on a farm turn row in OK last saturday. Hung > a wing on the corn and did the slickest "hide the airplane in the corn" > trick you ever saw. Pictures attached. I've always told my wife that if I > ever had to set the piet down in an emergency that I might bend the plane > but wouldn't bend me. Proved the plane is a very tough little critter. On ly > broke the tailwheel and tailpost. It never did back up well and I guess > backing into a muddy corn field is even worse. > > Funny part is as much as I've enjoyed the plane, I haven't flown it enoug h > to justify the costs of housing and insuring it. June 2 was our 40th > wedding anniversary, so my gift to my wife was getting rid of the plane. I > determined to sell it when I got back from flight to **Texas** and back > from ****Tennessee****. On leg out of Davis Field, ****Muskogee**, **OK** * > * (MKO) I was climbing out and lost power. Just like I'd pulled the > throttle. The FAA folks at the FSDO have convinced me it was carb ice. I' ve > always pulled carb heat landing, but never on takeoff. Conditions were ju st > perfect for ice. Super high humidity with unseasonable cold after > thundershowers. I had to wait on the ramp for traffic to clear so had bee n > running it a bit. Anyway, that's my story and I'm sticking to it. > > If anybody wants to shortcut building a GN1 variant of the Pietenpol, do I > have a deal for you. I just didn't want to sell the plane and look over m y > shoulder with liability issues for the next 20 years. So I'm decertifying > it and selling it for parts. Catch is it's a complete plane with A65, win gs > completely unharmed. Only damage to the fuse is the the tailwheel/tailpos t, > and a bent carb heat box. No prop strike and I have a brand new Cloudcars > prop, only flown to ****Texas**** and part way back. I took the prop off > to hang on the wall but could be talked out of it. Can't imagine anything > better than building and flying the Aircamper, and you guys (including of > the female type category) are great. I'm gonna keep a toe in the Piet > community. Thanks guys. Give me a scream if your interested in the plane > 615-754-9159 > > Dale McCleskey > > -- > Dale McCleskey, Editor > Adult Ministry Publishing MS# 152 > LifeWay Christian Resources > One ****LifeWay** **Plaza**** > ****Nashville**, **Tennessee** **37234**** > (615)251-3670 > > We will serve churches in their mission of making disciples.**** > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > -- Dale McCleskey, Editor Adult Ministry Publishing MS# 152 LifeWay Christian Resources One LifeWay Plaza Nashville, Tennessee 37234 (615)251-3670 We will serve churches in their mission of making disciples. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:22:30 AM PST US From: Gerry Holland Subject: Pietenpol-List: Carb Icing Here is a link to an Air Accident Investigation Branch Report on an engine failure I had just after take off in February this year here in UK I too thought that descent was the real 'catch me' for Carb icing. It isn't as you can read. My engine is a standard Continental A75 in a Corben Junior. Regards Gerry http://www.aaib.gov.uk/publications/bulletins/may_2012/corben_junior_ace_model_e__g_bsdi.cfm ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:25:32 PM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sorry, but I couldn't find a beet field... Glad to hear that ultimately, it worked out.- I am curious, how far into the corn field did the truck need to drive in to get to the plane? Was the owner of the field upset? The reason I ask is because I have thought about those kinds of situations and wondered how the owners of the fields act... with or without a shotgun in hand... Michael Perez =0APietenpol HINT Videos =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com =0A ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:27:51 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Carb Icing From: "bender" I had a Cessna 120 for about ten years.. the manual actually had you turn the carb heat on before takeoff and off as you got to full power on the roll. it had a c90 and it was an ice maker... twice i thought i was going to land prematurely ... once over a plowed field near toledo and another time i was 7000 feet above an airport in indiana.. no fear on that one. both times with heat and sinking to warmer air things cleared up... it happens fast when conditions are right i hope the full time heat on my A works ! jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375031#375031 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:03:20 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sorry, but I couldn't find a beet field... From: Dale Mccleskey Michael, I was fortunate in that regard. I actually landed on the turnrow between two corn fields. Unfortunately there was a sprinkler right down the left edge of the turnrow, so I had to cheat over to the right and thus snagged the right wing in the corn. So I backed into the corn, only about 5 rows deep. The farmer not only didn't shoot me, his family helped me pull the wings off, get it out of the field, and put it in his barn. One thing I've found flying across this country, you meet the nicest people in the world at little airports, and sometimes corn fields. ;o) do not archive On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Michael Perez wrote: > Glad to hear that ultimately, it worked out. I am curious, how far into > the corn field did the truck need to drive in to get to the plane? Was the > owner of the field upset? > > The reason I ask is because I have thought about those kinds of situations > and wondered how the owners of the fields act... with or without a shotgun > in hand... > > Michael Perez > Pietenpol HINT Videos > Karetaker Aero > www.karetakeraero.com > > ** > > * > > * > > -- Dale McCleskey, Editor Adult Ministry Publishing MS# 152 LifeWay Christian Resources One LifeWay Plaza Nashville, Tennessee 37234 (615)251-3670 We will serve churches in their mission of making disciples. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:29:26 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Willy Nilly about carb heat So glad you're okay Dale. Congratulations on a fantastic job of 'planting' (forgive that one, please..) your plane on that narrow dirt corn path. Wow...that's tight but you did g reat. I used my carb heat cable (okay abused!) control so much in the first 6 yea rs of flying that it broke one fine day so I replaced it. (there was a bind somewhere that I worked out and it was n't lubed fully) Being the willy nilly flyer that I am I always leave my carb heat on after I check in on runup before takeoff. Most times I'll actually start the takeoff roll with carb heat on and within the first 100 feet I make it cold. Just a precaution almost no matter what the weather conditions are. In other news I wonder if anyone has ever put a full-open spring on their t hrottle arms in case their throttle linkage would ever fail? I did this on the Corby Starlet I owned because I didn't like the ball and socket setup that was required with the linkage geometry. The airflow in the cowling would have pushed the t hrottle arm to idle should that link have ever busted. Just some thoughts. Mike C. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:38:21 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: books to buy From: "nightmare" thanks Jack. Paul Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375039#375039 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:25:12 PM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Pietenpol-List: Anyone in the Omaha area??? ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:38:54 PM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Pietenpol-List: Anyone in the Omaha area???? I may be needing a place to store our 25' RV for a few weeks between the Olympic Swim trials (June 28/29) in Omaha and....BRODHEAD (July 19-22)..... Wonder if there might be anyone in the general area with some room on their property? Or maybe know of a (cheap) place I might be able to leave it for a few weeks? Let me know offlist please. Jim in Pryor..... do not archive ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:53:15 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: STATIC THRUST TESTS From: "Jerry Dotson" We ran some static thrust tests on my Piet this evening. Now realize these results are not official as I did not have the OFFICIAL FISH SCALE so we borrowed one. I did a 1 minute 20 second run at full power(2300 RPM). It stayed over 380# all the time. 404 was seen several times but 380's most of the time. After that run let it idle a bit to cool down then checked the thrust at 2000 RPM just for the curiosity in me. It read 310# to 320#. That was surprising. I figured it would be 200-250. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 thru covering and painting, now in final assembly 21" wheels Lycoming O-235 C2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375059#375059 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/a55_155.jpg ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 05:58:50 PM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: STATIC THRUST TESTS Jerry That's good news as being better than your expectations, I am liking the 0235 even more. Good luck tomorrow, we want all the details even though we can be there, were are with you. Please be sure to get video. Great flight, safe trip John don't care you decide to archive or not ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:24:48 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: 37 Days From: "IT Girl" 37 days until we begin our journey to Brodhead....Who is going to be there? do not archive -------- Shelley Tumino IT Girl wife of "Axel" NX899KP DO NOT ARCHIVE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375063#375063 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:34:37 PM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 37 Days we are planning on a Thursday arrival John Recine ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:44:34 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 37 Days From: "John Francis" I'm coming! -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375068#375068 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.