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1. 01:49 AM - Re: Piano hinge? (John Francis)
2. 03:42 AM - Re: Piano hinge? (Jack)
3. 04:26 AM - Re: Fuel primer "A" (helspersew@aol.com)
4. 04:30 AM - Re: My first Pietenpol flight (helspersew@aol.com)
5. 05:28 AM - Re: Fuel primer "A" (BRETT PHILLIPS)
6. 06:41 AM - Re: Re: Piano hinge? (shad bell)
7. 06:44 AM - Re: Fuel primer "A" (Gene Rambo)
8. 06:54 AM - Re: Piano hinge? (John Francis)
9. 06:59 AM - Brodhead and progress (Douwe Blumberg)
10. 07:04 AM - BPA sculpture donation (Douwe Blumberg)
11. 07:15 AM - Re: Re: Piano hinge? (Jack Phillips)
12. 07:19 AM - Re: BPA sculpture donation (Jack Phillips)
13. 07:26 AM - Re: BPA sculpture donation (John Francis)
14. 07:28 AM - Joe, "scudrun" first flight (Timothy Willis)
15. 07:32 AM - Re: 37 Days (Baldeagle)
16. 08:42 AM - Re: BPA sculpture donation (Jack@textors.com)
17. 09:25 AM - Re: Re: Piano hinge? (helspersew@aol.com)
18. 11:27 AM - Re: Fuel primer "A" (BYD)
19. 11:32 AM - Re: BPA sculpture donation (Ben Charvet)
20. 02:18 PM - Re: Fuel primer "A" (bender)
21. 03:25 PM - Re: t-nuts vs anchor nuts (K5YAC)
22. 03:54 PM - Re: turnbuckle size (curtdm(at)gmail.com)
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24. 04:40 PM - Re: Fuel primer "A" (BYD)
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26. 05:23 PM - Re: 2812 and 1667 Streamline Tubing Information (Ken Bickers)
27. 06:14 PM - Re: Piano hinge? (Dave Millikan)
28. 06:24 PM - Re: Re: 37 Days (Ryan Mueller)
29. 06:42 PM - Re: Fuel primer "A" (bender)
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| Subject: | Re: Piano hinge? |
But, that is not what Jack recommends.
Adrian,
Having flown Pietenpols with and without the aileron gaps sealed, I would
strongly urge you to use aluminum piano hinges the full length of the
aileron. Without the gaps sealed, the ailerons are sluggish and borderline
ineffective. With full span piano hinges, you have a nice strong hinge and
get the gap sealed for free.
One word of advice - it is far easier if you use one 6 foot piece of piano
hinge per aileron. I followed the advice given by Tony Bingelis and broke
my hinges up into 6 12" sections so that if the wing was flexed while I was
inputting aileron, the hinges would not bind. Totally unnecessary, and it
really makes keeping all those hinges properly aligned very difficult. Mike
Cuy used one long hinge per aileron and it works just fine.
Also, I would use the cheaper AN257 rather than the MS20001 type. Plenty
strong enough and 1/5th the price. I used the more expensive (and stronger)
MS20001 type but would not do so if I were to do it over.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
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I used the 2 inch aluminum shown.
Jack Textor
DSM
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Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 1:13 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piano hinge?
About 5 minutes searching in the archives reveals:
http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=27091722?KEYS=pia
no_hinge?LISTNAME=Pietenpol?HITNUMBER=240?SERIAL=22460831284X?SHOWBUTTONS=YE
S
And: http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/mepages/pianohinge.php
http://www.matronics.com/search
Choose the Piet archive, follow the instructions to properly format your
search. Play around with it for a while, a wealth of info in there...
Ryan
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Hey all,
I need to place an order for aileron piano hinges. Does anyone have either
an Aircraft Spruce or Wick's parts number on what they used? I looked
through the online catalog and didn't see exactly what I thought I need.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Tom
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel primer "A" |
I have found that at times it takes a squirt of primer to get going. But wh
at Brett says is probably right, as he has more experience than I. Maybe yo
u could leave it off until you decide for yourself? Only reason I put one o
n is I saw that Ken Perkins had one, and also I bought my whole induction s
et-up from him and the fitting was on there already. It is an 1/8" tube fit
ting to accept a primer line. Primer by the gascolator should be fine. The
primer fitting off to one side is probably better, since if I give it too m
uch she drips out from that drain hole on the bottom of the carb, leaving f
uel stains down the outside of the cowl.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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Sent: Mon, Jun 11, 2012 5:21 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuel primer "A"
>
You guys with Ford A's...
t looks like most have drilled a hole at the top of the intake manifold for
a
rimer line..centered above the down tube.
s this any kind of special fitting or just 1/8" pipe with a line to it ?
was thinking maybe it should be more toward the front or back... but if it
orks good in the middle i'm cool with that,
he other thing is the primer itself.... i was thinking about putting it out
by
he engine.. just above the cascolator...short lines.. and i'll be out there
tarting it anyway..
thanks..
eff
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| Subject: | Re: My first Pietenpol flight |
Hi Joe,
An eloquent story to inspire the masses! Fantastic! Can't wait to see her.
Congrats!!
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel primer "A" |
Dan:
While I have some experience with A's on the ground, I do not have
experience in the all important flight mode! I think you have me beat there
for sure. A flying Ford powered Piet has been a goal of mine for a long
time now (over 25 years), and while it is now much closer to hand than it
was, I still have a ways to go.
Brett
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 7:25 AM, <helspersew@aol.com> wrote:
> I have found that at times it takes a squirt of primer to get going. But
> what Brett says is probably right, as he has more experience than I. Maybe
> you could leave it off until you decide for yourself? Only reason I put one
> on is I saw that Ken Perkins had one, and also I bought my whole induction
> set-up from him and the fitting was on there already. It is an 1/8" tube
> fitting to accept a primer line. Primer by the gascolator should be fine.
> The primer fitting off to one side is probably better, since if I give it
> too much she drips out from that drain hole on the bottom of the carb,
> leaving fuel stains down the outside of the cowl.
>
> Dan Helsper
> Puryear, TN
> * *
>
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| Subject: | Re: Piano hinge? |
NX92GB has the rolled piano hinge (the cheaper one) and has over 300hrs of
flight time with no problems.- Dad used 1 long hinge section and there ar
e no binding issues.
-
Shad
--- On Tue, 6/12/12, John Francis <Mrkringles@msn.com> wrote:
From: John Francis <Mrkringles@msn.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piano hinge?
But, that is not what Jack recommends.
Adrian,
Having flown Pietenpols with and without the aileron gaps sealed, I would
strongly urge you to use aluminum piano hinges the full length of the
aileron. Without the gaps sealed, the ailerons are sluggish and borderline
ineffective. With full span piano hinges, you have a nice strong hinge and
get the gap sealed for free.
One word of advice - it is far easier if you use one 6 foot piece of piano
hinge per aileron. I followed the advice given by Tony Bingelis and broke
my hinges up into 6 12" sections so that if the wing was flexed while I was
inputting aileron, the hinges would not bind. Totally unnecessary, and it
really makes keeping all those hinges properly aligned very difficult. Mike
Cuy used one long hinge per aileron and it works just fine.
Also, I would use the cheaper AN257 rather than the MS20001 type. Plenty
strong enough and 1/5th the price. I used the more expensive (and stronger)
MS20001 type but would not do so if I were to do it over.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
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Dan=2C if you recall a couple of years ago at Brodhead I asked whether the
primer was necessary=2C as I was not planning on putting one on mine. You
and I tried propping yours bopth hot and cold without prime and determined
that it was not necessary. Gene
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From: helspersew@aol.com
I have found that at times it takes a squirt of primer to get going. But wh
at Brett says is probably right=2C as he has more experience than I. Maybe
you could leave it off until you decide for yourself? Only reason I put one
on is I saw that Ken Perkins had one=2C and also I bought my whole inducti
on set-up from him and the fitting was on there already. It is an 1/8" tube
fitting to accept a primer line. Primer by the gascolator should be fine.
The primer fitting off to one side is probably better=2C since if I give it
too much she drips out from that drain hole on the bottom of the carb=2C l
eaving fuel stains down the outside of the cowl.
Dan Helsper
Puryear=2C TN
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From: bender <jfaith@solairusaviation.com>
Sent: Mon=2C Jun 11=2C 2012 5:21 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuel primer "A"
>
You guys with Ford A's...
it looks like most have drilled a hole at the top of the intake manifold fo
r a
primer line..centered above the down tube.
is this any kind of special fitting or just 1/8" pipe with a line to it ?
i was thinking maybe it should be more toward the front or back... but if i
t
works good in the middle i'm cool with that=2C
the other thing is the primer itself.... i was thinking about putting it ou
t by
the engine.. just above the cascolator...short lines.. and i'll be out ther
e
starting it anyway..
thanks..
jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Piano hinge? |
Tom,
As much as I respect Jack Phillips suggestions, I too went with the MS extruded
aluminum hinge vs. the rolled version. As I understand it, it is more than
just the strength of the rotating part of the hinge but the material that you
will drill through to mount it is much stronger on the MS version. I am reading
that some of these holes are drilled low on the hinge to mount it and the extra
strength is needed in the material to prevent the hinge from bending over.
My technical advisor also suggested the stronger hinge. He also suggested I put
several smaller sections in as Tony Bingelis suggests, but I am not going to
do that for several reasons. A couple are that some (Jack Phillips, Mike Cuy)
and numerous others are running one continuous piece which is easier to align
and gives you the gapless hinge you need on the ailerons. My technical advisor
felt several smaller hinges would give some redundancy if one section should
fail and that is the way many certified aircraft ailerons are hinged.
Just my thoughts.
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| Subject: | Brodhead and progress |
Of course, we're all hoping Greg can come, but I'm glad I'll be able to see
their lovely plane again. One of my favorites. I'll miss Don as well,
though choosing his daughter's wedding over Brodhead does make one question
his priorities. :-)
Sounds like we might see some new ones, which is very exciting, and if all
goes well we should see a LOT of new ones in the next year or two. I'm
really thinking 2013 will be the year for 799B "Re-PIET" will make it.
Progress report. Cowling finally finished, came out pretty well. Am now
ripping through covering the empennage and fuselage (ever noticed how many
French words there are re planes??, they were quite the pioneers early on)
am hoping to get Marci in on stitching to help speed things along and give
her a sense of involvement.
Douwe
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| Subject: | BPA sculpture donation |
Hey all,
Wanted to give you all a heads up. I'm donating two aviation themed bronze
sculptures to be sold at Brodhead with the proceeds going to BPA. They're
both pretty cool and are very early edition numbers as I almost never show
them. One is a grapefruit sized sculpture of an early leather flying helmet
with goggles which is very nicely detailed. The other shows the cockpit
area of some ubiquitous open cockpit airplane with a flying helmet laying on
the cowling, again, very nicely detailed.
Any of you into art, these are both very nice pieces and would be a great
way to support our "type" association and their efforts.
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: Piano hinge? |
I used multiple short hinges on mine rather than a continuous 6' length -
unnecessary, and much more difficult in my opinion. I used the stronger
(and much more expensive) MS20001 hinges. Again,unnecessary. As your
Technical Counselor noted many certified aircraft use short pieces of piano
hinges. Look at the hinges on a Piper Cherokee, and note that they use the
cheaper and weaker AN257 rolled type hinges.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Francis
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piano hinge?
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Tom,
As much as I respect Jack Phillips suggestions, I too went with the MS
extruded aluminum hinge vs. the rolled version. As I understand it, it is
more than just the strength of the rotating part of the hinge but the
material that you will drill through to mount it is much stronger on the MS
version. I am reading that some of these holes are drilled low on the hinge
to mount it and the extra strength is needed in the material to prevent the
hinge from bending over.
My technical advisor also suggested the stronger hinge. He also suggested I
put several smaller sections in as Tony Bingelis suggests, but I am not
going to do that for several reasons. A couple are that some (Jack
Phillips, Mike Cuy) and numerous others are running one continuous piece
which is easier to align and gives you the gapless hinge you need on the
ailerons. My technical advisor felt several smaller hinges would give some
redundancy if one section should fail and that is the way many certified
aircraft ailerons are hinged.
Just my thoughts.
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John Francis
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| Subject: | BPA sculpture donation |
Any way to share pictures, Douwe? Got to make sure I bring enough money if
I really like them
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe
Blumberg
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 10:04 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: BPA sculpture donation
Hey all,
Wanted to give you all a heads up. I'm donating two aviation themed bronze
sculptures to be sold at Brodhead with the proceeds going to BPA. They're
both pretty cool and are very early edition numbers as I almost never show
them. One is a grapefruit sized sculpture of an early leather flying helmet
with goggles which is very nicely detailed. The other shows the cockpit
area of some ubiquitous open cockpit airplane with a flying helmet laying on
the cowling, again, very nicely detailed.
Any of you into art, these are both very nice pieces and would be a great
way to support our "type" association and their efforts.
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: BPA sculpture donation |
Here are some pics. Just scroll down. They look great!
http://www.pietenpols.org/id17.html
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| Subject: | Joe, "scudrun" first flight |
Congratulations. Good for you, Joe, good flight and you have captured
the Piet experience in words:
"What a charming airplane" was the first reaction I had to the
question, "How was it?" from the folks gathered at the
hangar. And that is just how I felt when I flew her looking over the
nose, past those eyebrows on the horizon. Charmed. It's just like
stepping back in time to an earlier era of aviation to fly one of
these isn't it? I look forward to many more.
Joe
Tim in central TX
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Frank Pavliga and I are planning on bringing the Alan Rudulph Piet, N13691, along
with Frank's 1926 Waco 9. I think that that curmudgeonly guy from Arkansas
might be joining us with his Piet also...
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| Subject: | Re: BPA sculpture donation |
That is very kind Douwe!
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On Jun 12, 2012, at 9:03 AM, "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.net> w
rote:
> Hey all,
>
> Wanted to give you all a heads up. I=99m donating two aviation them
ed bronze sculptures to be sold at Brodhead with the proceeds going to BPA.
They=99re both pretty cool and are very early edition numbers as I al
most never show them. One is a grapefruit sized sculpture of an early leath
er flying helmet with goggles which is very nicely detailed. The other show
s the cockpit area of some ubiquitous open cockpit airplane with a flying he
lmet laying on the cowling, again, very nicely detailed.
>
> Any of you into art, these are both very nice pieces and would be a great
way to support our =9Ctype=9D association and their efforts.
>
> Douwe
>
> Do not archive
>
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| Subject: | Re: Piano hinge? |
Mine are the MS version, all one piece. But that's when I had money to burn
.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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From: John Francis <Mrkringles@msn.com>
Sent: Tue, Jun 12, 2012 8:54 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piano hinge?
Tom,
As much as I respect Jack Phillips suggestions, I too went with the MS extr
uded
luminum hinge vs. the rolled version. As I understand it, it is more than
ust the strength of the rotating part of the hinge but the material that yo
u
ill drill through to mount it is much stronger on the MS version. I am rea
ding
hat some of these holes are drilled low on the hinge to mount it and the ex
tra
trength is needed in the material to prevent the hinge from bending over.
My technical advisor also suggested the stronger hinge. He also suggested
I put
everal smaller sections in as Tony Bingelis suggests, but I am not going to
do
hat for several reasons. A couple are that some (Jack Phillips, Mike Cuy)
and
umerous others are running one continuous piece which is easier to align an
d
ives you the gapless hinge you need on the ailerons. My technical advisor
felt
everal smaller hinges would give some redundancy if one section should fail
and
hat is the way many certified aircraft ailerons are hinged.
Just my thoughts.
--------
ohn Francis
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel primer "A" |
Jeff,
Keep in mind that I am not a Model-A expert by any means but I have some thoughts
that may help. Its funny that you say it looks like most have drilled a hole
at the top of the intake manifold for a primer because I can only think of
one that does (need to pay better attention I guess seems theres at least three
from reading this thread). Most installations Im aware of do not have a primer.
Are you having difficulty starting your engine? One Model-A engine I propped
on a Pietenpol had an open intake you could choke by placing your hand
over it.
Most Pietenpols have the enrichener safety wired with the butterfly open but on
mine I have it spring loaded open and place a small piece of tubing on the shaft
to close the butterfly and choke it while I turn 4 blades. I then remove
the tube (placing it on the throttle linkage just to store it) and turn the prop
through 4 to 6 blades to pull the rich mixture into the cylinders. After that,
make it hot and give it a throw.
For reference, I have an early (1927) engine with babbit bearings, 6.5:1 aluminum
head, Vertex magneto and a washing machine water pump.
Disclaimer: My engine has less than 10 hours on it and has not flown yet.
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| Subject: | Re: BPA sculpture donation |
I can't make it to Brodhead this year, but are these items available for sal
e?
Ben Charvet
Titusville Fl
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On Jun 12, 2012, at 10:03 AM, "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
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> Hey all,
>
> Wanted to give you all a heads up. I=99m donating two aviation them
ed bronze sculptures to be sold at Brodhead with the proceeds going to BPA.
They=99re both pretty cool and are very early edition numbers as I al
most never show them. One is a grapefruit sized sculpture of an early leath
er flying helmet with goggles which is very nicely detailed. The other show
s the cockpit area of some ubiquitous open cockpit airplane with a flying he
lmet laying on the cowling, again, very nicely detailed.
>
> Any of you into art, these are both very nice pieces and would be a great
way to support our =9Ctype=9D association and their efforts.
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> Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel primer "A" |
Mine starts ok if I do just what you describe.... choke, turn a couple of blades
then ignition on... and it goes.... the problem is the gas coming out the bottom
of the carb when i choke it... i was thinking a primer line above the carb
with a very small hole so it mists into the intake would make it start easier
without the leak or the choke... i'm all about keeping it simple... maybe i'll
take it out and run it some more and see how it goes.. I can always add a
primer after its covered if needed.
thanks
jeff
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| Subject: | Re: t-nuts vs anchor nuts |
Got mine from Tower Hobbies... 10-32 type.
Mine are also not flight tested either (full scale), but I've flown many high performance
R/C aircraft and they have never given me trouble backing our or loosening
when properly installed.
Based upon the rib spacing, I would guess that mine are 7-8" apart too.
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Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear
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| Subject: | Re: turnbuckle size |
Finally an answer to all your turnbuckle questions.
Curt Merdan
Flower Mound, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Bell crank streamlined tube No. 1667 question. |
1667 Streamline Tubing Information
Curt Merdan
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Flower Mound, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel primer "A" |
Jeff,
I too was worried when I first saw fuel leaking from the carb, but I found this
is normal and in the case of starting the engine desirable after reading about
how to hand-crank the Model-A automobile.
Read steps 5 through 7 at http://www.abarnyard.com/workshop/handcrank.htm
With the ignition OFF, hold the choke out (fully closed). This will require either
a helper, a pull cord from the lever on the carburetor to the front of the
vehicle, or one of those modern undersized and sticky choke rod grommets.
(This is where I use a piece of hose)
Carefully position the crank in place engaging the ratchet with the crank left
of center in the lower of the two possible positions. Grasp the crank as shown
in the photo above, paying close attention to the thumb position below the
handle. Pull the crank to the top briskly but carefully. Repeat with a second
pull.
At this point there should be gas running slightly from the carburetor to the floor.
Release the choke and turn ON the ignition.
This is basically what Im doing with the Piet. Like you, I felt the idea of spilling
gas doesnt fit well in todays way of looking at things, but its a small
amount, and if care is taken it shouldn't present a problem. (IMHO)
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| Subject: | 2812 and 1667 Streamline Tubing Information |
Dimensions for 2812 and 1667 Streamline tubing
1667 - 1/2" x 1 1/2" .035 wall thickness
2812 - .78" x 2.312" .040 wall thickness
Curtis Merdan
Flower Mound, TX
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Flower Mound, TX
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| Subject: | Re: 2812 and 1667 Streamline Tubing Information |
Curt,
Do you have a source for these streamlined tubes? I've searched the
web, but have only found references to the Kawneer company having quit
the business of making streamlined tubing.
Thanks, Ken
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 5:39 PM, curtdm(at)gmail.com <curtdm@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Dimensions for 2812 and 1667 Streamline tubing
>
> 1667 - 1/2" x 1 1/2" .035 wall thickness
> 2812 - .78" x 2.312" .040 wall thickness
>
> Curtis Merdan
> Flower Mound, TX
>
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> Flower Mound, TX
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I too bot piano hinge for the ailerons, had 2nd thots and switched to
Ace Hdwe steel hinges. why ?
The piano hinge places all the attaching fasteners in a shorty space from t
he
ail- spar. The screen door hinges spread the load across the 2 inch ail s
par.
Dave
--- On Tue, 6/12/12, Jack <jack@textors.com> wrote:
From: Jack <jack@textors.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Piano hinge?
I used the 2 inch aluminum shown.
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Jack Textor
DSM
NX1929T
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: owner-pietenpol-li
st-server@matronics.com ] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 1:13 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piano hinge?
-
About 5 minutes searching in the archives reveals:
-
http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=27091722?KEYS
=piano_hinge?LISTNAME=Pietenpol?HITNUMBER=240?SERIAL=22460831284X?S
HOWBUTTONS=YES-
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And:-http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/mepages/pianohinge.php
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http://www.matronics.com/search
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Choose the Piet archive, follow the instructions to properly format your se
arch. Play around with it for a while, a wealth of info in there...
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Ryan
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On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 11:49 PM, tdudley@umn.edu <tdudley@umn.edu> wrote:
Hey all,
I need to place an order for aileron piano hinges. -Does anyone have eith
er an Aircraft Spruce or Wick's parts number on what they used? -I looked
through the online catalog and didn't see exactly what I thought I need.
-Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Tom
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You might want to call him and touch base before he departs, just as a
reminder to bring those pills he takes to deal with his misanthropy.....
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On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 9:32 AM, Baldeagle <baldeagle27@earthlink.net>wrote:
> baldeagle27@earthlink.net>
>
> Frank Pavliga and I are planning on bringing the Alan Rudulph Piet,
> N13691, along with Frank's 1926 Waco 9. I think that that curmudgeonly guy
> from Arkansas might be joining us with his Piet also...
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel primer "A" |
thanks....
i drive a 30 AA truck all the time... and it almost won't start without choking
it..
I'll give it i whirl so to speak..
i'm using a modern zenith and it doesn't just have a hole like the a and b carbs.
it has a 3/8 inch boss in the bottom with a kind of a mesh in it..
it leaks out there... i considered adding a hose so it would run to the ground
and not on the cowl..
maybe i can find the right amount of spins with the choke on to only get a drop
or two..
thanks gentlemen
jeff in lou ky
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| Subject: | Re: 2812 and 1667 Streamline Tubing Information |
Ken,
Unfortunately no, I do not have a source. I did the previous post just for reference.
Like with the turnbuckles, it's nice to know what dimensions or strength the plans
are referring to.
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| Subject: | Re: 2812 and 1667 Streamline Tubing Information |
That's too bad. I was hoping you had stumbled onto a source. I'm at
exactly the point of needing to install diagonal struts.
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 9:35 PM, curtdm(at)gmail.com <curtdm@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Ken,
>
> Unfortunately no, I do not have a source. I did the previous post just for reference.
>
> Like with the turnbuckles, it's nice to know what dimensions or strength the
plans are referring to.
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> Flower Mound, TX
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