---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 06/12/12: 32 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:49 AM - Re: Piano hinge? (John Francis) 2. 03:42 AM - Re: Piano hinge? (Jack) 3. 04:26 AM - Re: Fuel primer "A" (helspersew@aol.com) 4. 04:30 AM - Re: My first Pietenpol flight (helspersew@aol.com) 5. 05:28 AM - Re: Fuel primer "A" (BRETT PHILLIPS) 6. 06:41 AM - Re: Re: Piano hinge? (shad bell) 7. 06:44 AM - Re: Fuel primer "A" (Gene Rambo) 8. 06:54 AM - Re: Piano hinge? (John Francis) 9. 06:59 AM - Brodhead and progress (Douwe Blumberg) 10. 07:04 AM - BPA sculpture donation (Douwe Blumberg) 11. 07:15 AM - Re: Re: Piano hinge? (Jack Phillips) 12. 07:19 AM - Re: BPA sculpture donation (Jack Phillips) 13. 07:26 AM - Re: BPA sculpture donation (John Francis) 14. 07:28 AM - Joe, "scudrun" first flight (Timothy Willis) 15. 07:32 AM - Re: 37 Days (Baldeagle) 16. 08:42 AM - Re: BPA sculpture donation (Jack@textors.com) 17. 09:25 AM - Re: Re: Piano hinge? (helspersew@aol.com) 18. 11:27 AM - Re: Fuel primer "A" (BYD) 19. 11:32 AM - Re: BPA sculpture donation (Ben Charvet) 20. 02:18 PM - Re: Fuel primer "A" (bender) 21. 03:25 PM - Re: t-nuts vs anchor nuts (K5YAC) 22. 03:54 PM - Re: turnbuckle size (curtdm(at)gmail.com) 23. 04:05 PM - Re: Bell crank streamlined tube No. 1667 question. (curtdm(at)gmail.com) 24. 04:40 PM - Re: Fuel primer "A" (BYD) 25. 04:41 PM - 2812 and 1667 Streamline Tubing Information (curtdm(at)gmail.com) 26. 05:23 PM - Re: 2812 and 1667 Streamline Tubing Information (Ken Bickers) 27. 06:14 PM - Re: Piano hinge? (Dave Millikan) 28. 06:24 PM - Re: Re: 37 Days (Ryan Mueller) 29. 06:42 PM - Re: Fuel primer "A" (bender) 30. 08:35 PM - Re: 2812 and 1667 Streamline Tubing Information (curtdm(at)gmail.com) 31. 08:56 PM - Re: Re: 2812 and 1667 Streamline Tubing Information (Ken Bickers) 32. 11:08 PM - =?utf-8?q?Progress_tonight_Just_2_more_stringers? (MARK ROBERTS) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:49:18 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piano hinge? From: "John Francis" But, that is not what Jack recommends. Adrian, Having flown Pietenpols with and without the aileron gaps sealed, I would strongly urge you to use aluminum piano hinges the full length of the aileron. Without the gaps sealed, the ailerons are sluggish and borderline ineffective. With full span piano hinges, you have a nice strong hinge and get the gap sealed for free. One word of advice - it is far easier if you use one 6 foot piece of piano hinge per aileron. I followed the advice given by Tony Bingelis and broke my hinges up into 6 12" sections so that if the wing was flexed while I was inputting aileron, the hinges would not bind. Totally unnecessary, and it really makes keeping all those hinges properly aligned very difficult. Mike Cuy used one long hinge per aileron and it works just fine. Also, I would use the cheaper AN257 rather than the MS20001 type. Plenty strong enough and 1/5th the price. I used the more expensive (and stronger) MS20001 type but would not do so if I were to do it over. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Raleigh, NC -- - The Matronics Pietenpol-List Email Forum - Use the List Feature Navigator to browse the many List utilities available such as the Email Subscriptions page, Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, Photoshare, and much more: http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375365#375365 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:42:21 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Piano hinge? I used the 2 inch aluminum shown. Jack Textor DSM NX1929T do not archive _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 1:13 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piano hinge? About 5 minutes searching in the archives reveals: http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=27091722?KEYS=pia no_hinge?LISTNAME=Pietenpol?HITNUMBER=240?SERIAL=22460831284X?SHOWBUTTONS=YE S And: http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/mepages/pianohinge.php http://www.matronics.com/search Choose the Piet archive, follow the instructions to properly format your search. Play around with it for a while, a wealth of info in there... Ryan On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 11:49 PM, tdudley@umn.edu wrote: Hey all, I need to place an order for aileron piano hinges. Does anyone have either an Aircraft Spruce or Wick's parts number on what they used? I looked through the online catalog and didn't see exactly what I thought I need. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Tom Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375355#375355 ========== st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========== http://forums.matronics.com ========== le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:26:23 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuel primer "A" From: helspersew@aol.com I have found that at times it takes a squirt of primer to get going. But wh at Brett says is probably right, as he has more experience than I. Maybe yo u could leave it off until you decide for yourself? Only reason I put one o n is I saw that Ken Perkins had one, and also I bought my whole induction s et-up from him and the fitting was on there already. It is an 1/8" tube fit ting to accept a primer line. Primer by the gascolator should be fine. The primer fitting off to one side is probably better, since if I give it too m uch she drips out from that drain hole on the bottom of the carb, leaving f uel stains down the outside of the cowl. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: bender Sent: Mon, Jun 11, 2012 5:21 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuel primer "A" > You guys with Ford A's... t looks like most have drilled a hole at the top of the intake manifold for a rimer line..centered above the down tube. s this any kind of special fitting or just 1/8" pipe with a line to it ? was thinking maybe it should be more toward the front or back... but if it orks good in the middle i'm cool with that, he other thing is the primer itself.... i was thinking about putting it out by he engine.. just above the cascolator...short lines.. and i'll be out there tarting it anyway.. thanks.. eff ead this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375344#375344 -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:30:13 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: My first Pietenpol flight From: helspersew@aol.com Hi Joe, An eloquent story to inspire the masses! Fantastic! Can't wait to see her. Congrats!! Dan Helsper Puryear, TN ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:28:15 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuel primer "A" From: BRETT PHILLIPS Dan: While I have some experience with A's on the ground, I do not have experience in the all important flight mode! I think you have me beat there for sure. A flying Ford powered Piet has been a goal of mine for a long time now (over 25 years), and while it is now much closer to hand than it was, I still have a ways to go. Brett On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 7:25 AM, wrote: > I have found that at times it takes a squirt of primer to get going. But > what Brett says is probably right, as he has more experience than I. Maybe > you could leave it off until you decide for yourself? Only reason I put one > on is I saw that Ken Perkins had one, and also I bought my whole induction > set-up from him and the fitting was on there already. It is an 1/8" tube > fitting to accept a primer line. Primer by the gascolator should be fine. > The primer fitting off to one side is probably better, since if I give it > too much she drips out from that drain hole on the bottom of the carb, > leaving fuel stains down the outside of the cowl. > > Dan Helsper > Puryear, TN > * * > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:41:17 AM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piano hinge? NX92GB has the rolled piano hinge (the cheaper one) and has over 300hrs of flight time with no problems.- Dad used 1 long hinge section and there ar e no binding issues. - Shad --- On Tue, 6/12/12, John Francis wrote: From: John Francis Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piano hinge? But, that is not what Jack recommends. Adrian, Having flown Pietenpols with and without the aileron gaps sealed, I would strongly urge you to use aluminum piano hinges the full length of the aileron. Without the gaps sealed, the ailerons are sluggish and borderline ineffective. With full span piano hinges, you have a nice strong hinge and get the gap sealed for free. One word of advice - it is far easier if you use one 6 foot piece of piano hinge per aileron. I followed the advice given by Tony Bingelis and broke my hinges up into 6 12" sections so that if the wing was flexed while I was inputting aileron, the hinges would not bind. Totally unnecessary, and it really makes keeping all those hinges properly aligned very difficult. Mike Cuy used one long hinge per aileron and it works just fine. Also, I would use the cheaper AN257 rather than the MS20001 type. Plenty strong enough and 1/5th the price. I used the more expensive (and stronger) MS20001 type but would not do so if I were to do it over. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Raleigh, NC -- - The Matronics Pietenpol-List Email Forum - =C2- Use the List Feature Navigator to browse the many List utilities available such as the Email Subscriptions page, Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Brow se, Chat, FAQ, Photoshare, and much more: http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375365#375365 le, List Admin. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:44:49 AM PST US From: Gene Rambo Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fuel primer "A" Dan=2C if you recall a couple of years ago at Brodhead I asked whether the primer was necessary=2C as I was not planning on putting one on mine. You and I tried propping yours bopth hot and cold without prime and determined that it was not necessary. Gene To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuel primer "A" From: helspersew@aol.com I have found that at times it takes a squirt of primer to get going. But wh at Brett says is probably right=2C as he has more experience than I. Maybe you could leave it off until you decide for yourself? Only reason I put one on is I saw that Ken Perkins had one=2C and also I bought my whole inducti on set-up from him and the fitting was on there already. It is an 1/8" tube fitting to accept a primer line. Primer by the gascolator should be fine. The primer fitting off to one side is probably better=2C since if I give it too much she drips out from that drain hole on the bottom of the carb=2C l eaving fuel stains down the outside of the cowl. Dan Helsper Puryear=2C TN -----Original Message----- From: bender Sent: Mon=2C Jun 11=2C 2012 5:21 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuel primer "A" > You guys with Ford A's... it looks like most have drilled a hole at the top of the intake manifold fo r a primer line..centered above the down tube. is this any kind of special fitting or just 1/8" pipe with a line to it ? i was thinking maybe it should be more toward the front or back... but if i t works good in the middle i'm cool with that=2C the other thing is the primer itself.... i was thinking about putting it ou t by the engine.. just above the cascolator...short lines.. and i'll be out ther e starting it anyway.. thanks.. jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375344#375344 " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List p://forums.matronics.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:54:32 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piano hinge? From: "John Francis" Tom, As much as I respect Jack Phillips suggestions, I too went with the MS extruded aluminum hinge vs. the rolled version. As I understand it, it is more than just the strength of the rotating part of the hinge but the material that you will drill through to mount it is much stronger on the MS version. I am reading that some of these holes are drilled low on the hinge to mount it and the extra strength is needed in the material to prevent the hinge from bending over. My technical advisor also suggested the stronger hinge. He also suggested I put several smaller sections in as Tony Bingelis suggests, but I am not going to do that for several reasons. A couple are that some (Jack Phillips, Mike Cuy) and numerous others are running one continuous piece which is easier to align and gives you the gapless hinge you need on the ailerons. My technical advisor felt several smaller hinges would give some redundancy if one section should fail and that is the way many certified aircraft ailerons are hinged. Just my thoughts. -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375387#375387 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:59:53 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead and progress Of course, we're all hoping Greg can come, but I'm glad I'll be able to see their lovely plane again. One of my favorites. I'll miss Don as well, though choosing his daughter's wedding over Brodhead does make one question his priorities. :-) Sounds like we might see some new ones, which is very exciting, and if all goes well we should see a LOT of new ones in the next year or two. I'm really thinking 2013 will be the year for 799B "Re-PIET" will make it. Progress report. Cowling finally finished, came out pretty well. Am now ripping through covering the empennage and fuselage (ever noticed how many French words there are re planes??, they were quite the pioneers early on) am hoping to get Marci in on stitching to help speed things along and give her a sense of involvement. Douwe ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:04:10 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: BPA sculpture donation Hey all, Wanted to give you all a heads up. I'm donating two aviation themed bronze sculptures to be sold at Brodhead with the proceeds going to BPA. They're both pretty cool and are very early edition numbers as I almost never show them. One is a grapefruit sized sculpture of an early leather flying helmet with goggles which is very nicely detailed. The other shows the cockpit area of some ubiquitous open cockpit airplane with a flying helmet laying on the cowling, again, very nicely detailed. Any of you into art, these are both very nice pieces and would be a great way to support our "type" association and their efforts. Douwe Do not archive ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:15:38 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piano hinge? I used multiple short hinges on mine rather than a continuous 6' length - unnecessary, and much more difficult in my opinion. I used the stronger (and much more expensive) MS20001 hinges. Again,unnecessary. As your Technical Counselor noted many certified aircraft use short pieces of piano hinges. Look at the hinges on a Piper Cherokee, and note that they use the cheaper and weaker AN257 rolled type hinges. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Francis Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 9:54 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piano hinge? --> Tom, As much as I respect Jack Phillips suggestions, I too went with the MS extruded aluminum hinge vs. the rolled version. As I understand it, it is more than just the strength of the rotating part of the hinge but the material that you will drill through to mount it is much stronger on the MS version. I am reading that some of these holes are drilled low on the hinge to mount it and the extra strength is needed in the material to prevent the hinge from bending over. My technical advisor also suggested the stronger hinge. He also suggested I put several smaller sections in as Tony Bingelis suggests, but I am not going to do that for several reasons. A couple are that some (Jack Phillips, Mike Cuy) and numerous others are running one continuous piece which is easier to align and gives you the gapless hinge you need on the ailerons. My technical advisor felt several smaller hinges would give some redundancy if one section should fail and that is the way many certified aircraft ailerons are hinged. Just my thoughts. -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375387#375387 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:19:36 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: BPA sculpture donation Any way to share pictures, Douwe? Got to make sure I bring enough money if I really like them Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe Blumberg Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 10:04 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: BPA sculpture donation Hey all, Wanted to give you all a heads up. I'm donating two aviation themed bronze sculptures to be sold at Brodhead with the proceeds going to BPA. They're both pretty cool and are very early edition numbers as I almost never show them. One is a grapefruit sized sculpture of an early leather flying helmet with goggles which is very nicely detailed. The other shows the cockpit area of some ubiquitous open cockpit airplane with a flying helmet laying on the cowling, again, very nicely detailed. Any of you into art, these are both very nice pieces and would be a great way to support our "type" association and their efforts. Douwe Do not archive ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:26:11 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: BPA sculpture donation From: "John Francis" Here are some pics. Just scroll down. They look great! http://www.pietenpols.org/id17.html -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375397#375397 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:28:42 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Joe, "scudrun" first flight From: Timothy Willis Congratulations. Good for you, Joe, good flight and you have captured the Piet experience in words: "What a charming airplane" was the first reaction I had to the question, "How was it?" from the folks gathered at the hangar. And that is just how I felt when I flew her looking over the nose, past those eyebrows on the horizon. Charmed. It's just like stepping back in time to an earlier era of aviation to fly one of these isn't it? I look forward to many more. Joe Tim in central TX do not archive ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:32:40 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 37 Days From: "Baldeagle" Frank Pavliga and I are planning on bringing the Alan Rudulph Piet, N13691, along with Frank's 1926 Waco 9. I think that that curmudgeonly guy from Arkansas might be joining us with his Piet also... - -------- do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375401#375401 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:42:25 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: BPA sculpture donation From: "Jack@textors.com" That is very kind Douwe! Do not archive Jack Textor Sent from my iPad On Jun 12, 2012, at 9:03 AM, "Douwe Blumberg" w rote: > Hey all, > > Wanted to give you all a heads up. I=99m donating two aviation them ed bronze sculptures to be sold at Brodhead with the proceeds going to BPA. They=99re both pretty cool and are very early edition numbers as I al most never show them. One is a grapefruit sized sculpture of an early leath er flying helmet with goggles which is very nicely detailed. The other show s the cockpit area of some ubiquitous open cockpit airplane with a flying he lmet laying on the cowling, again, very nicely detailed. > > Any of you into art, these are both very nice pieces and would be a great way to support our =9Ctype=9D association and their efforts. > > Douwe > > Do not archive > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:25:48 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piano hinge? From: helspersew@aol.com Mine are the MS version, all one piece. But that's when I had money to burn .. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: John Francis Sent: Tue, Jun 12, 2012 8:54 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piano hinge? Tom, As much as I respect Jack Phillips suggestions, I too went with the MS extr uded luminum hinge vs. the rolled version. As I understand it, it is more than ust the strength of the rotating part of the hinge but the material that yo u ill drill through to mount it is much stronger on the MS version. I am rea ding hat some of these holes are drilled low on the hinge to mount it and the ex tra trength is needed in the material to prevent the hinge from bending over. My technical advisor also suggested the stronger hinge. He also suggested I put everal smaller sections in as Tony Bingelis suggests, but I am not going to do hat for several reasons. A couple are that some (Jack Phillips, Mike Cuy) and umerous others are running one continuous piece which is easier to align an d ives you the gapless hinge you need on the ailerons. My technical advisor felt everal smaller hinges would give some redundancy if one section should fail and hat is the way many certified aircraft ailerons are hinged. Just my thoughts. -------- ohn Francis ead this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375387#375387 -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:27:02 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuel primer "A" From: "BYD" Jeff, Keep in mind that I am not a Model-A expert by any means but I have some thoughts that may help. Its funny that you say it looks like most have drilled a hole at the top of the intake manifold for a primer because I can only think of one that does (need to pay better attention I guess seems theres at least three from reading this thread). Most installations Im aware of do not have a primer. Are you having difficulty starting your engine? One Model-A engine I propped on a Pietenpol had an open intake you could choke by placing your hand over it. Most Pietenpols have the enrichener safety wired with the butterfly open but on mine I have it spring loaded open and place a small piece of tubing on the shaft to close the butterfly and choke it while I turn 4 blades. I then remove the tube (placing it on the throttle linkage just to store it) and turn the prop through 4 to 6 blades to pull the rich mixture into the cylinders. After that, make it hot and give it a throw. For reference, I have an early (1927) engine with babbit bearings, 6.5:1 aluminum head, Vertex magneto and a washing machine water pump. Disclaimer: My engine has less than 10 hours on it and has not flown yet. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375427#375427 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 11:32:40 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: BPA sculpture donation From: Ben Charvet I can't make it to Brodhead this year, but are these items available for sal e? Ben Charvet Titusville Fl Sent from my iPhone On Jun 12, 2012, at 10:03 AM, "Douwe Blumberg" wrote: > Hey all, > > Wanted to give you all a heads up. I=99m donating two aviation them ed bronze sculptures to be sold at Brodhead with the proceeds going to BPA. They=99re both pretty cool and are very early edition numbers as I al most never show them. One is a grapefruit sized sculpture of an early leath er flying helmet with goggles which is very nicely detailed. The other show s the cockpit area of some ubiquitous open cockpit airplane with a flying he lmet laying on the cowling, again, very nicely detailed. > > Any of you into art, these are both very nice pieces and would be a great way to support our =9Ctype=9D association and their efforts. > > Douwe > > Do not archive > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 02:18:19 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuel primer "A" From: "bender" Mine starts ok if I do just what you describe.... choke, turn a couple of blades then ignition on... and it goes.... the problem is the gas coming out the bottom of the carb when i choke it... i was thinking a primer line above the carb with a very small hole so it mists into the intake would make it start easier without the leak or the choke... i'm all about keeping it simple... maybe i'll take it out and run it some more and see how it goes.. I can always add a primer after its covered if needed. thanks jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375446#375446 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 03:25:17 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: t-nuts vs anchor nuts From: "K5YAC" Got mine from Tower Hobbies... 10-32 type. Mine are also not flight tested either (full scale), but I've flown many high performance R/C aircraft and they have never given me trouble backing our or loosening when properly installed. Based upon the rib spacing, I would guess that mine are 7-8" apart too. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375453#375453 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 03:54:07 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: turnbuckle size From: "curtdm(at)gmail.com" Finally an answer to all your turnbuckle questions. Curt Merdan Flower Mound, TX Please Print and Archive!!! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375456#375456 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/turnbuckles_627.png ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 04:05:37 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bell crank streamlined tube No. 1667 question. From: "curtdm(at)gmail.com" 1667 Streamline Tubing Information Curt Merdan Please Print & Archive -------- Curt Merdan Flower Mound, TX Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375457#375457 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/1667_streamline_tubing_634.png ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 04:40:55 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuel primer "A" From: "BYD" Jeff, I too was worried when I first saw fuel leaking from the carb, but I found this is normal and in the case of starting the engine desirable after reading about how to hand-crank the Model-A automobile. Read steps 5 through 7 at http://www.abarnyard.com/workshop/handcrank.htm With the ignition OFF, hold the choke out (fully closed). This will require either a helper, a pull cord from the lever on the carburetor to the front of the vehicle, or one of those modern undersized and sticky choke rod grommets. (This is where I use a piece of hose) Carefully position the crank in place engaging the ratchet with the crank left of center in the lower of the two possible positions. Grasp the crank as shown in the photo above, paying close attention to the thumb position below the handle. Pull the crank to the top briskly but carefully. Repeat with a second pull. At this point there should be gas running slightly from the carburetor to the floor. Release the choke and turn ON the ignition. This is basically what Im doing with the Piet. Like you, I felt the idea of spilling gas doesnt fit well in todays way of looking at things, but its a small amount, and if care is taken it shouldn't present a problem. (IMHO) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375460#375460 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 04:41:03 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: 2812 and 1667 Streamline Tubing Information From: "curtdm(at)gmail.com" Dimensions for 2812 and 1667 Streamline tubing 1667 - 1/2" x 1 1/2" .035 wall thickness 2812 - .78" x 2.312" .040 wall thickness Curtis Merdan Flower Mound, TX Please Print and Archive! -------- Curt Merdan Flower Mound, TX Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375461#375461 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/2812_streamline_tubing_197.png ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 05:23:50 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 2812 and 1667 Streamline Tubing Information From: Ken Bickers Curt, Do you have a source for these streamlined tubes? I've searched the web, but have only found references to the Kawneer company having quit the business of making streamlined tubing. Thanks, Ken On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 5:39 PM, curtdm(at)gmail.com wrote: > > Dimensions for 2812 and 1667 Streamline tubing > > 1667 - 1/2" x 1 1/2" .035 wall thickness > 2812 - .78" x 2.312" .040 wall thickness > > Curtis Merdan > Flower Mound, TX > > Please Print and Archive! > > -------- > Curt Merdan > Flower Mound, TX > > Do Not Archive > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375461#375461 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/2812_streamline_tubing_197.png > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 06:14:02 PM PST US From: Dave Millikan Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Piano hinge? I too bot piano hinge for the ailerons, had 2nd thots and switched to Ace Hdwe steel hinges. why ? The piano hinge places all the attaching fasteners in a shorty space from t he ail- spar. The screen door hinges spread the load across the 2 inch ail s par. Dave --- On Tue, 6/12/12, Jack wrote: From: Jack Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Piano hinge? I used the 2 inch aluminum shown. - Jack Textor DSM NX1929T do not archive From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: owner-pietenpol-li st-server@matronics.com ] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 1:13 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piano hinge? - About 5 minutes searching in the archives reveals: - http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=27091722?KEYS =piano_hinge?LISTNAME=Pietenpol?HITNUMBER=240?SERIAL=22460831284X?S HOWBUTTONS=YES- - And:-http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/mepages/pianohinge.php - http://www.matronics.com/search - Choose the Piet archive, follow the instructions to properly format your se arch. Play around with it for a while, a wealth of info in there... - Ryan - On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 11:49 PM, tdudley@umn.edu wrote: Hey all, I need to place an order for aileron piano hinges. -Does anyone have eith er an Aircraft Spruce or Wick's parts number on what they used? -I looked through the online catalog and didn't see exactly what I thought I need. -Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Tom Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375355#375355 st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution - - -http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.m atronics.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution - ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 06:24:36 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: 37 Days From: Ryan Mueller You might want to call him and touch base before he departs, just as a reminder to bring those pills he takes to deal with his misanthropy..... do not archive On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 9:32 AM, Baldeagle wrote: > baldeagle27@earthlink.net> > > Frank Pavliga and I are planning on bringing the Alan Rudulph Piet, > N13691, along with Frank's 1926 Waco 9. I think that that curmudgeonly guy > from Arkansas might be joining us with his Piet also... > > > - > > -------- > do not archive > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375401#375401 > > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 06:42:23 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuel primer "A" From: "bender" thanks.... i drive a 30 AA truck all the time... and it almost won't start without choking it.. I'll give it i whirl so to speak.. i'm using a modern zenith and it doesn't just have a hole like the a and b carbs. it has a 3/8 inch boss in the bottom with a kind of a mesh in it.. it leaks out there... i considered adding a hose so it would run to the ground and not on the cowl.. maybe i can find the right amount of spins with the choke on to only get a drop or two.. thanks gentlemen jeff in lou ky Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375473#375473 ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 08:35:37 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 2812 and 1667 Streamline Tubing Information From: "curtdm(at)gmail.com" Ken, Unfortunately no, I do not have a source. I did the previous post just for reference. Like with the turnbuckles, it's nice to know what dimensions or strength the plans are referring to. -------- Curt Merdan Flower Mound, TX Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375478#375478 ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 08:56:01 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: 2812 and 1667 Streamline Tubing Information From: Ken Bickers That's too bad. I was hoping you had stumbled onto a source. I'm at exactly the point of needing to install diagonal struts. On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 9:35 PM, curtdm(at)gmail.com wrote: > > Ken, > > Unfortunately no, I do not have a source. I did the previous post just for reference. > > Like with the turnbuckles, it's nice to know what dimensions or strength the plans are referring to. > > -------- > Curt Merdan > Flower Mound, TX > > Do Not Archive > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375478#375478 > > ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 11:08:35 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: =?utf-8?q?Progress_tonight_Just_2_more_stringers? 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