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1. 01:45 AM - Elevator control trim (Mark Roberts)
2. 04:23 AM - Re: Elevator control trim (Peter W Johnson)
3. 05:06 AM - Re: Re: 2812 and 1667 Streamline Tubing Information (airlion)
4. 05:13 AM - =?Windows-1252?B?UmU6IFBpZXRlbnBvbC1MaXN0OiBQcm9ncmVzcyB0b25pZ2h0hSBKdXN0IDIgbW9yZSBzdHJpbmdlcnM=? (gboothe5@comcast.net)
5. 05:18 AM - Re: Re: turnbuckle size (gboothe5@comcast.net)
6. 05:18 AM - Re: Elevator control trim (pineymb)
7. 06:27 AM - BPA sculpture (Douwe Blumberg)
8. 06:47 AM - Re: BPA sculpture (kevinpurtee)
9. 07:29 AM - Re: Elevator control trim (Jim Markle)
10. 08:13 AM - reminder (Lawrence Williams)
11. 08:15 AM - Re: turnbuckle size (Baldeagle)
12. 08:19 AM - Re: reminder (Baldeagle)
13. 09:25 AM - Re: reminder (John Kuhfahl)
14. 11:24 AM - Skip Gadd (Lawrence Williams)
15. 11:48 AM - Re: Skip Gadd (Jim Markle)
16. 12:08 PM - His Royal Curmudgeon, Lawrence Williams (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
17. 01:04 PM - Re: 2812 and 1667 Streamline Tubing Information (Jerry Dotson)
18. 01:36 PM - =?utf-8?Q?Re:__Progress_?= =?utf-8?Q?tonight_Just_2_more_stringers? (Jim Boyer)
19. 01:42 PM - Re: reminder (DO NOT ARCHIVE)
20. 02:11 PM - weight and CG (bender)
21. 04:25 PM - Re: Re: reminder (Ryan M)
22. 04:37 PM - Re: Re: reminder (gboothe5@comcast.net)
23. 04:38 PM - Re: reminder (BYD)
24. 07:12 PM - =?Windows-1252?Q?Re:_Pieten?= =?Windows-1252?Q?pol-List:_?= =?Windows-1252?Q?Progress_t?= =?Windows-1252?Q?onight=85_Ju?= =?Windows-1252?Q?st_2_more_?= =?Windows-1252?Q?stringers? (V Groah)
25. 07:35 PM - NX53WE has 2 hours (Bob edson)
26. 08:15 PM - Re: Progress =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tonight=85?= Ju st 2 more stringers (Mark Roberts)
27. 08:23 PM - Hey! Pulley my finger! A pulley question... (Mark Roberts)
28. 10:47 PM - AN Bolt deciphering - Resource (Mark Roberts)
29. 11:24 PM - Re: AN Bolt deciphering - Resource (Mark Roberts)
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Subject: | Elevator control trim |
Since I can't sleep tonight thinking about my build, I want to ask a question regarding
trim on the elevator controls. I have seen Mike Cuy's treatment on the
elevator trim, and have planned to imitate it (best form of flattery Mike!).
I thought I'd ask if there were other forms of trim being used by you pieters,
and if there are pics anywhere. I am at the point of building my seat and pilot's
'perch' so I want to plan out the trim arrangement. I am going to buy the
rest of the Bingalis books soon, so if there is a good reference on this in
one of them, point me in the right direction coach!
Thanks!
Mark
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Subject: | Elevator control trim |
Mark,
This is what I did.
Cockpit end http://www.cpc-world.com/new_card_images/images/IMG_0710_JPG.jpg
Bell crank end http://www.cpc-world.com/images/IMG_1102_JPG.jpg
Hope that helps.
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
http://www.cpc-world.com
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts
Sent: Wednesday, 13 June 2012 6:45 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Elevator control trim
--> <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
Since I can't sleep tonight thinking about my build, I want to ask a
question regarding trim on the elevator controls. I have seen Mike Cuy's
treatment on the elevator trim, and have planned to imitate it (best form of
flattery Mike!). I thought I'd ask if there were other forms of trim being
used by you pieters, and if there are pics anywhere. I am at the point of
building my seat and pilot's 'perch' so I want to plan out the trim
arrangement. I am going to buy the rest of the Bingalis books soon, so if
there is a good reference on this in one of them, point me in the right
direction coach!
Thanks!
Mark
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Subject: | Re: 2812 and 1667 Streamline Tubing Information |
carlson aircraft. they sell tubing
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From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken@gmail.com>
Sent: Tue, June 12, 2012 11:58:25 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: 2812 and 1667 Streamline Tubing Information
That's too bad. I was hoping you had stumbled onto a source. I'm at
exactly the point of needing to install diagonal struts.
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 9:35 PM, curtdm(at)gmail.com <curtdm@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Ken,
>
> Unfortunately no, I do not have a source. I did the previous post just for
>reference.
>
> Like with the turnbuckles, it's nice to know what dimensions or strength the
>plans are referring to.
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> Curt Merdan
> Flower Mound, TX
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> Do Not Archive
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That's nice progress, Mark!
Gary
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Subject: | Re: turnbuckle size |
Thanks for posting that, Curt!
Gary
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From: curtdm(at)gmail.com
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ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: turnbuckle size
Sent: Jun 12, 2012 3:52 PM
Finally an answer to all your turnbuckle questions.
Curt Merdan
Flower Mound, TX
Please Print and Archive!!!
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Subject: | Re: Elevator control trim |
Mark
My Piet originally had a push/pull cable operating a trim tab on the elevator.
The problem was constantly having to adjust the trim in flight due to drift in
the cable. The solution was to bust off the plastic knob and add threads to attach
a turnbuckle which works absolutely flawless and allows for very small adjustments
which comes in handy if you have a header fuel tank.
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Adrian M
Winnipeg, MB
Canada
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Hopefully the link posted allowed people to see the sculptures I'm donating.
I think you can also see them on my website under limited editions.
www.douwestudios.com <http://www.douwestudios.com/>
They are for sale privately, and I'll still make a BPA donation from those
sales if anyone is interested, but can't make Brodhead. I kind of did them
for fun and have only displayed them once, so only one has sold of each.
I'll have to go back and find the pricing, but anyone interested can contact
me offline.
Douwe
Progress report. Got Marci to help last night and got all the stitching
done on the tail surfaces. Taping for the next few days, then start on the
fuse!
Called my hangar owner and told him to make plans to move his big ugly Waco
over and make room for a real airplane!!
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Subject: | Re: BPA sculpture |
You freakin' rock, Douwe!
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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Subject: | Re: Elevator control trim |
Here's (attached picture) about the neatest solution for an easily adjustable and
stable trim tab adjustment on a Piet....it's just an RV window crank....cool
idea.
Jim in Pryor...counting the days.....
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Since I have been singled out for ridicule recently and I am currently at h
ome closely monitoring this site, I thought it might be time for a quick re
minder:
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If your comments are "atta-boys", lengthy responses followed by something l
ike"but mine hasn't flown yet" or "this is only my opinion"; Please follow
your signature with DO NOT ARCHIVE. That will keep our already tedious arch
ives a bit more to the point without having to wade through all the superfl
uous drivel that won't mean a thing to people 25 years from now.
-
Now, I'm going to my anger management class, take my blood pressure meds an
d think happy thoughts.....aummmmmm.
-
I have a sticking exhaust valve on the "A" that will be dealt with as soon
as I am done with the annual on the Ercoupe. If everything falls into place
, I will be at the 'Coupe national fly-in and Brodhead. Other things are mi
lling around on the edges of my consciousness making me rethink this whole
retirement thing. Never been so busy in my life!!
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Larry (Top Curmudgeon) Williams
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DO NOT ARCHIVE
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Subject: | Re: turnbuckle size |
That's a neat chart for the old timey turnbuckles. For the modern ones the dash number designates the pull strength, -16 is 1600 lbs., -22 is 2200 lbs. etc. This doens't seem to match exactly on the Aircraft Spruce chart, http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/turnbuckles.php , but it's the basic premise. So -16 is for 3/32" cable, -22 is for 1/8" cable, -32 is for 5/32" cable, and so on, to match the strength of the cable.
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Where's the "Like" button??
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something cool here...how many Piet/Ercoupe owners do we have? I
own/totally restored my 1946 415C and finishing up a 70s built Piet
restoration. John
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On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Lawrence Williams <lnawms@yahoo.com>wrote:
> Since I have been singled out for ridicule recently and I am currently at
> home closely monitoring this site, I thought it might be time for a quick
> reminder:
>
> If your comments are "atta-boys", lengthy responses followed by something
> like"but mine hasn't flown yet" or "this is only my opinion"; Please follow
> your signature with DO NOT ARCHIVE. That will keep our already tedious
> archives a bit more to the point without having to wade through all the
> superfluous drivel that won't mean a thing to people 25 years from now.
>
> Now, I'm going to my anger management class, take my blood pressure meds
> and think happy thoughts.....aummmmmm.
>
> I have a sticking exhaust valve on the "A" that will be dealt with as soon
> as I am done with the annual on the Ercoupe. If everything falls into
> place, I will be at the 'Coupe national fly-in and Brodhead. Other things
> are milling around on the edges of my consciousness making me rethink this
> whole retirement thing. Never been so busy in my life!!
>
> Larry (Top Curmudgeon) Williams
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
--
John Kuhfahl, Lt Col USAF (Ret),
President, KUHLCOUPER LLC
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Anybody know contact info for Skip Gadd???
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Larry "TC" Williams
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WOW! That matronics search thingy REALLY works well!!!.....
Match: #1 Message: #67790 From: "skipgadd(at)earthlink.net" <skipgadd(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Wing Tip Bows Date: Apr 16, 2012
You are right Gary, had to look in the archives to recall what I said, Aug
8 2009. I agree with you, it is a good idea to measure corner to corner
both ways frequently while assembling the wing, so the wing is as close as
possible to square before you do the actual trammeling with turnbuckles.
Skip
> [Original Message]
> From: Gary Boothe
> To:
> Date: 4/15/2012 1:47:41 PM
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing Tip Bows
>
>
> Additional thought, John...I think it was Skip Gadd who talked about
> trammeling at least 3 times, during each phase of the construct. Seems
like
> it would be a mistake to trammel the first time after the leading and
> trailing edges are on.
>
> Gary from Cool
> NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: Lawrence Williams
Sent: Jun 13, 2012 1:22 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Skip Gadd
Anybody know contact info for Skip Gadd???
Larry "TC" Williams
do not archive
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Subject: | His Royal Curmudgeon, Lawrence Williams |
Larry,
The only posts that should be archived are your reminders to add the 'do no
t archive' to posts that well, aren't worthy
of taking up space. (and of course mine:))
I must not know you Larry-you have always been a really gentle, cordial, fr
iendly gentleman over the many times I've
visited with you at Brodhead. (until I mention snowflakes and GN-1's bei
ng exactly the same only a little heavier than Piets:)!)
Mike C.
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Subject: | Re: 2812 and 1667 Streamline Tubing Information |
I used P/N 03-11500 from ACS dimensions are 1.349 X 0.571 wall is 0.049
Price is $12.94 per foot.
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
thru covering and painting, now in final assembly
21" wheels
Lycoming O-235 C2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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Subject: | Re: ?Q?Re:_Pietenpol-List:_Progress_?= =?utf-8?Q?tonight_Just_2_more_stringers? |
Hi Mark,
The Piet fuselage is looking good. Keep at it and you can give Jody a ride in her
own (and yours) Piet.
Cheers,
Jim B.
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Dear Sir:
My user name and signature have been adjusted in accordance with your wishes.
I hope to never be guilty of polluting the database with worthless drivel again.
Humbly Yours,
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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Brett Phillips
PLEASE DO NOT ARCHIVE!
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Hey guys..
I weighed the piet today... all together but with fabric only on the control surfaces..
I'm wishing it was lighter but i'm at 649 lb's .. empty with oil and water.. cg
is 10.65
with me in the back and no fuel cg is at 19.92
with fuel it moves forward less than a half inch.
I'm thinking with the rest of the fabric and paint i'm looking at an another 35-40
lbs.. based on the polyfober manual number of 43 lbs to cover a cub.
i'm thinking most of that fabric and paint are behind the CG so its gonna move
back a bit more.. a bit of wing moving may be in order
jeff
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Can some one please tell me what this "do not archive" thing is all about?
I've spent the required hour searching the archives before asking this ques
tion and came up absolutely nothing! ;)=0A=0A=0ARyan M=0A=0ADo not archive
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entel.net>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Wednesday, June 13,
2012 4:42 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: reminder=0A =0A--> Pietenpol-Li
st message posted by: "DO NOT ARCHIVE" <bphillip@shentel.net>=0A=0ADear Sir
:=0AMy user name and signature have been adjusted in accordance with your w
ishes.- I hope to never be guilty of polluting the database with worthles
s drivel again.=0A=0AHumbly Yours,=0A=0ADO NOT ARCHIVE=0A=0A--------=0ABret
t Phillips=0APLEASE DO NOT ARCHIVE!=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online he
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I too have changed my signature since I blatantly used terminology like"but mine
hasn't flown yet" or "this is only my opinion" and I hate the ruffled feathers
look on the Top Curmudgeon.
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Subject: | =?Windows-1252?Q?RE:_Pieten?= =?Windows-1252?Q?pol-List:_?= |
=?Windows-1252?Q?Progress_t?= =?Windows-1252?Q?onight=85_Ju?= =?Windows-1252?Q?st_2_more_?=
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It is a long project but each piece makes it so much better and closer to f
light. Love to see the progress=2C it is too bad your joints look so good
and make some of the rest of us look sloppy. Vic
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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Progress tonight=85 Just 2 more stringers
Hi Mark=2C
The Piet fuselage is looking good. Keep at it and you can give Jody a ride
in her own (and yours) Piet.
Cheers=2C
Jim B.
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Subject: | NX53WE has 2 hours |
Our instructor flew again wednesday eve for over an hour and all went
good. Low speed pass at 30 mph - high speed at 103 mph and stalls at 27.
It weighs in at 805 empty with an 0-200 and a 72-44 wood prop. He made
several landings and said he likes wheel landings with a little power.
What a thrill to see it fly. Bob
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Subject: | Re: Progress =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tonight=85?= Ju st 2 more |
stringers
Thanks Guys!
Believe it or not, the hardest part isn't the building, it is the compilation of
the steel parts needed to order from ACS!
I have spent the last few hours looking at all I need to order to build the fuse
control stuff.
Part of the fun!
Vic, I will call you tonight as I see you called when I was away.
Mark
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Subject: | Hey! Pulley my finger! A pulley question... |
OK, I know the plans were drawn in the 30's and things change.
But since we are still building these things into this century, what are you all
using for a 2" pulley on the control stick assembly?
I have put an order list together from ACS and have almost everything 'cept the
pulleys and the nuts and bolts identified for the order, and I can't find the
phenolic pulleys that are 2" diameter for a 1/8" cable. the closest I found was
A-123, a 2" OD with a 1.5" ID, but only accepts up to a 3/32" cable, not 1/8".
Suggestions? I might be too picky here, but some stuff I am just plain ignorant
about and this is one of them.
(And I am not taking suggestions regarding the other things I might be ignorant
about from any other west coast pieters...)
Thanks guys! Hope to be ordering very soon. I am ready for some steel!
Mark
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Subject: | AN Bolt deciphering - Resource |
The hardest part of this build (OK, for me perhaps who is so ADD that I am
still trying to remember where my meds are located...) is the stinkin'
hardware. I have compiled a list of metal, and am now "bolting"...
I am assuming that most of the bolts I get could have a hole in the shaft
to use if necessary. Is there any potential down side to this idea of
ordering all the bolts with holes in the threaded end. I can bet there
would be a problem if I needed the hole and didn't have it...
Thoughts?
Here's a link to what I thought was a helpful chart. I hope it might help
others with my same affliction (Harumph!)
http://www.gen-aircraft-hardware.com/images/pdf/an3_thru_an20.pdf
Mark
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Subject: | Re: AN Bolt deciphering - Resource |
Sorry guys... Just found the bolt selector tool on ACS. Geez... that helps
a lot.
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 10:46 PM, Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>wrote:
> The hardest part of this build (OK, for me perhaps who is so ADD that I am
> still trying to remember where my meds are located...) is the stinkin'
> hardware. I have compiled a list of metal, and am now "bolting"...
>
> I am assuming that most of the bolts I get could have a hole in the shaft
> to use if necessary. Is there any potential down side to this idea of
> ordering all the bolts with holes in the threaded end. I can bet there
> would be a problem if I needed the hole and didn't have it...
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Here's a link to what I thought was a helpful chart. I hope it might help
> others with my same affliction (Harumph!)
>
> http://www.gen-aircraft-hardware.com/images/pdf/an3_thru_an20.pdf
>
> Mark
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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