---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 06/15/12: 27 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:59 AM - Corvair Motor Mount Jig (John Francis) 2. 06:12 AM - Re: Brodhead (John Francis) 3. 06:58 AM - Re: Re: Brodhead (Gary Boothe) 4. 07:43 AM - Re: Brodhead (Dan Yocum) 5. 07:46 AM - Re: NX53WE specs (Michael Perez) 6. 08:04 AM - Re: Brodhead (Ryan Mueller) 7. 08:07 AM - Re: Brodhead (Ryan Mueller) 8. 08:23 AM - Re: NX53WE specs (Chris Rusch) 9. 08:24 AM - Fw: Re: Engine Mount Complete-Work Continues (Michael Perez) 10. 08:25 AM - Re: Engine Mount Complete-Work Continues (Michael Perez) 11. 08:28 AM - Re: Re: Brodhead (Gary Boothe) 12. 08:41 AM - Re: Fw: Re: Engine Mount Complete-Work Continues (Mario Giacummo) 13. 08:48 AM - My Babe Magnet (Hayes, Mike) 14. 08:51 AM - Re: Fw: Re: Engine Mount Complete-Work Continues (Ryan Mueller) 15. 09:19 AM - Re: Fw: Re: Engine Mount Complete-Work Continues (Michael Perez) 16. 09:21 AM - Re: Fw: Re: Engine Mount Complete-Work Continues (Michael Perez) 17. 09:47 AM - Rod Cap Hole Orientation (Michael Perez) 18. 10:56 AM - Re: My Babe Magnet (Ryan Mueller) 19. 10:58 AM - Re: Fw: Re: Engine Mount Complete-Work Continues (Ryan Mueller) 20. 11:05 AM - Re: Rod Cap Hole Orientation (Ryan Mueller) 21. 11:52 AM - Mike Hayes Pietenpol attraction (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]) 22. 12:12 PM - Re: My Babe Magnet (Matthew) 23. 01:33 PM - Re: Brodhead (IT Girl) 24. 02:53 PM - Re: My Babe Magnet (Mark Roberts) 25. 02:57 PM - Re: Mike Hayes Pietenpol attraction (Mark Roberts) 26. 07:42 PM - Re: Re: Mike Hayes Pietenpol attraction (Clif Dawson) 27. 09:52 PM - W&B (Gary Boothe) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:59:47 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair Motor Mount Jig From: "John Francis" A couple of us Ohioans are about to build our corvair engine mounts. Are there any jigs out there that someone would be willing to lend us? Could pick up in Brodhead if that works. Thanks -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375720#375720 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:12:13 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead From: "John Francis" Gary, I'm leaving the Brodhead area early Sunday morning for home and can give you a lift then. Will that work? -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375722#375722 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:58:59 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead John, Most generous! I certainly am not picky, and may take you up, but my flight is not until 7pm. Hope you don't mind if wait to commit, to see if anyone is leaving a bit later... Gary from Cool Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Francis Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 6:10 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead Gary, I'm leaving the Brodhead area early Sunday morning for home and can give you a lift then. Will that work? -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375722#375722 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:43:36 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Excellent news! I'll bring extra cigars! Dan do not archive lestwise that curmudgeon would want to partake of a cigar himself, in which case I'll have an extra one for him, too. And Mikee. And Ryan. The rest of you are on your own. On 06/14/2012 10:58 PM, gboothe5@comcast.net wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: gboothe5@comcast.net > > By a fortunate turn of events, I find myself with transportation to Brodhead on Thursday, but in need of a ride to Chicago/Midway on Sunday. Anyone got room for a tag-along? > > Gary from Cool > Do not archive > Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry > > -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:46:34 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NX53WE specs That is good intell, Bob. Very pleased to hear about the Riblett 612...that is the airfoil NX992WD has. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:04:25 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead From: Ryan Mueller I don't need a cigar.....just a red fedora.... do not archive On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 9:41 AM, Dan Yocum wrote: > > Excellent news! I'll bring extra cigars! > > Dan > > do not archive lestwise that curmudgeon would want to partake of a cigar > himself, in which case I'll have an extra one for him, too. And Mikee. > And Ryan. The rest of you are on your own. > > > On 06/14/2012 10:58 PM, gboothe5@comcast.net wrote: > >> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: gboothe5@comcast.net >> >> By a fortunate turn of events, I find myself with transportation to >> Brodhead on Thursday, but in need of a ride to Chicago/Midway on Sunday. >> Anyone got room for a tag-along? >> >> Gary from Cool >> Do not archive >> Sent on the Sprint=AE Now Network from my BlackBerry=AE >> >> >> >> >> >> > -- > Dan Yocum > Fermilab 630.840.6509 > yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov > "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." > > =====**=================== ===========**= w.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List> =====**=================== ===========**= =====**=================== ===========**= com/contribution> =====**=================== ===========**= > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:07:33 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead From: Ryan Mueller You're covered, chariot arranged for..... :) Ryan do not archive On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 10:58 PM, wrote: > > By a fortunate turn of events, I find myself with transportation to > Brodhead on Thursday, but in need of a ride to Chicago/Midway on Sunday. > Anyone got room for a tag-along? > > Gary from Cool > Do not archive > Sent on the Sprint=AE Now Network from my BlackBerry=AE > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:23:41 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: NX53WE specs From: "Chris Rusch" Great information, im running the Riblett 612 also and am wondering if you put in and dihedral? My weight will be real close to yours as well. Thanks in advance! -------- NX321LR Fully Assembled less covering Mistubishi Powered Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375732#375732 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:24:22 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Fw: RE: Pietenpol-List: Engine Mount Complete-Work Continues Hello Jack.=C2- Here is the intell. I got from T.B's Firewall Forward, in so many words: =C2- Fiberfrax withstands temps. of about 2,300 deg. F.=C2- and may be conside red as effective a fire barrier as stainless.=C2-=C2- ...it saves 2-3 p ounds over SS or galvanized sheet normally installed. (page 60) =C2- The technique for using it: Attach Fiberfrax to wood or composite firewall, overlay with .016" 2024 T3 to protect it. Although aluminum is deficient when used alone, with Fiberfr ax it is acceptable. (page 60) I used .030"=C2-because I had it on hand. =C2- Before firewall is attached on a wood or composite aircraft I recommend the firewall be protected with asbestos, Zetex or Fiberfrax paper. (page 63) =C2- Page=C2-58 figure1 and page 78=C2-Figure 2 shows Fiberfrax used on wood firewalls. =C2- ACS catalog, page 114: ...Fiberfrax withstands temps. up to 2,300 deg. F. excellent for aircraft f irewalls. =C2- The intell. you provided is sound and from the same book. (Pages 56 and 57) However, if you read further it gets into wood and composite aircraft and the above statements. =C2- I do like the quote below from your reply: =C2- "No useful purpose would be served by using a heavier firewall sheet than t hat required to meet acceptable minimums. Never lose sight of the fact that the addition of unnecessary weight, no matter how slight, degrades the air craft=99s performance. The firewall metal for a two-seat aircraft wil l probably weigh as much as 4-1/2 pounds anyway, so why make it seven?" =C2- I=C2-like SS, but a sheet of it as a firewall seems a bit heavy, expensiv e=C2-and unnecessary. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:25:25 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Engine Mount Complete-Work Continues Hello Jack.=C2- Here is the intell. I got from T.B's Firewall Forward, in so many words: =C2- Fiberfrax withstands temps. of about 2,300 deg. F.=C2- and may be conside red as effective a fire barrier as stainless.=C2-=C2- ...it saves 2-3 p ounds over SS or galvanized sheet normally installed. (page 60) =C2- The technique for using it: Attach Fiberfrax to wood or composite firewall, overlay with .016" 2024 T3 to protect it. Although aluminum is deficient when used alone, with Fiberfr ax it is acceptable. (page 60) I used .030"=C2-because I had it on hand. =C2- Before firewall is attached on a wood or composite aircraft I recommend the firewall be protected with asbestos, Zetex or Fiberfrax paper. (page 63) =C2- Page=C2-58 figure1 and page 78=C2-Figure 2 shows Fiberfrax used on wood firewalls. =C2- ACS catalog, page 114: ...Fiberfrax withstands temps. up to 2,300 deg. F. excellent for aircraft f irewalls. =C2- The intell. you provided is sound and from the same book. (Pages 56 and 57) However, if you read further it gets into wood and composite aircraft and the above statements. =C2- I do like the quote below from your reply: =C2- "No useful purpose would be served by using a heavier firewall sheet than t hat required to meet acceptable minimums. Never lose sight of the fact that the addition of unnecessary weight, no matter how slight, degrades the air craft=99s performance. The firewall metal for a two-seat aircraft wil l probably weigh as much as 4-1/2 pounds anyway, so why make it seven?" =C2- I=C2-like SS, but a sheet of it as a firewall seems a bit heavy, expensiv e=C2-and unnecessary. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:28:20 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead John (and All), Thanks for being the first to speak up, but I have an arrangement that will be a bit more convenient. I will keep an eye out for you, though, as I would like to say, 'Hi.' Gary from Cool Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Francis Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 6:10 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead Gary, I'm leaving the Brodhead area early Sunday morning for home and can give you a lift then. Will that work? -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375722#375722 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:41:34 AM PST US From: Mario Giacummo Subject: Re: Fw: RE: Pietenpol-List: Engine Mount Complete-Work Continues As I understand the firewall is the Fiberfax not the metal thing I put in front of it to hold it in place?... If this is the case, we can use just a simple woven wire in front of the Fiberfax... can't we? Mario Giacummo ... .. .-.. .- .- ...- . -. - ..- .-. .- . ... .--. . .-.. .. --. .-. --- ... .- --..-- .--. .-. --- -... .- .-.. .- .-. ..- - .. -. .- --..-- . ... -- --- .-. - .- .-.. !!!!! 2012/6/15 Michael Perez > Hello Jack. Here is the intell. I got from T.B's Firewall Forward, in so > many words: > > Fiberfrax withstands temps. of about 2,300 deg. F. and may be considered > as effective a fire barrier as stainless. ...it saves 2-3 pounds over S S > or galvanized sheet normally installed. (page 60) > > The technique for using it: > Attach Fiberfrax to wood or composite firewall, overlay with .016" 2024 T 3 > to protect it. Although aluminum is deficient when used alone, with > Fiberfrax it is acceptable. (page 60) > I used .030" because I had it on hand. > > Before firewall is attached on a wood or composite aircraft I recommend > the firewall be protected with asbestos, Zetex or Fiberfrax paper. (page > 63) > > Page 58 figure1 and page 78 Figure 2 shows Fiberfrax used on wood > firewalls. > > ACS catalog, page 114: > ...Fiberfrax withstands temps. up to 2,300 deg. F. excellent for aircraft > firewalls. > > > The intell. you provided is sound and from the same book. (Pages 56 and > 57) However, if you read further it gets into wood and composite aircraft > and the above statements. > > I do like the quote below from your reply: > > "No useful purpose would be served by using a heavier firewall sheet than > that required to meet acceptable minimums. Never lose sight of the fact > that the addition of unnecessary weight, no matter how slight, degrades t he > aircraft=92s performance. The firewall metal for a two-seat aircraft will > probably weigh as much as 4-1/2 pounds anyway, so why make it seven?" > > I like SS, but a sheet of it as a firewall seems a bit heavy, > expensive and unnecessary. > > Michael Perez > Pietenpol HINT Videos > Karetaker Aero > www.karetakeraero.com > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:48:19 AM PST US From: "Hayes, Mike" Subject: Pietenpol-List: My Babe Magnet Hello Chaps, Just a quick piccie of what to expect when you get to the end of your proje ct! In reality, some arty girlies from a local college had seen me wobbling aro und and wanted to borrow my "Lovely Little Aeroplane" for a photo shoot. My calculations show that if I had started building at the age of ten I wou ld have been in with more of a chance! Regards, Mike Mike Hayes Applications Specialist GEA Heat Exchangers Ltd GEA Heat Exchangers Phone. +44 1432 277277, Fax. +44 1432 355988 Mob. +44 7831 409622 mike.hayes@gea.com www.gea.com We live our values. Excellence * Passion * Integrity * Responsibility * GEA-versity Regional Address Registered Office: Dolphin House, Moreton Business Park, Moreton-on-Lugg, H ereford. HR4 8DS. UK VAT ID No. GB 931 1150 71 Registered in England No. 4057753 Confidentiality note This e-mail, including any attachment, may contain confidential and privile ged information. If you have received it by mistake, please notify us by re ply e-mail and then delete this e-mail and any attachment from your system. Thank you! ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:51:47 AM PST US Subject: Re: Fw: RE: Pietenpol-List: Engine Mount Complete-Work Continues From: Ryan Mueller This is really picking nits, I fully understand that. It's "intel"....not "intell" :) do not archive On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 10:16 AM, Michael Perez wrote: > Hello Jack. Here is the intell > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:19:22 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Fw: RE: Pietenpol-List: Engine Mount Complete-Work Continues Agree.- The double "L" is just my spin on it... The military abriviation is INT.- Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com - Do not archive ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:21:00 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Fw: RE: Pietenpol-List: Engine Mount Complete-Work Continues Mario, the Fiberfrax is the fire resistive material and it is fragile. You need a structure to attach it too, (plywood) and some type of protecting ba rrier to keep it from abrasion. (Aluminum) I would only be guessing what ot her material could be used as a "cover" for the Fiberfrax. - Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:47:48 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rod Cap Hole Orientation I neglected to note in which direction the holes on the connecting rod caps should face while installed on the crank during disassembly. The manual st ates to have all conn. rod numbers facing up, but depending on which way th e crank is laying, that would have the oil holes squirting either forward o r aft.- Should the holes face forward, aft, or does it matter? Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:56:53 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: My Babe Magnet From: Ryan Mueller She's suspect....who wears legwarmers over boots? And that dress, and those shoes! Geez! do not archive On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Hayes, Mike wrote: > Hello Chaps,**** > > ** ** > > Just a quick piccie of what to expect when you get to the end of your > project!**** > > In reality, some arty girlies from a local college had seen me wobbling > around and wanted to borrow my =93Lovely Little Aeroplane=94 for a photo shoot. > **** > > My calculations show that if I had started building at the age of ten I > would have been in with more of a chance!**** > > ** ** > > Regards,**** > > ** ** > > Mike**** > > ** ** > > *Mike Hayes > Applications Specialist* > > GEA Heat Exchangers Ltd > GEA Heat Exchangers > Phone. +44 1432 277277, Fax. +44 1432 355988**** > > Mob. +44 7831 409622 > mike.hayes@gea.com**** > > www.gea.com **** > > *We live our values. > *Excellence - Passion - Integrity - Responsibility - GEA-versity* *** > > Regional Address**** > > Registered Office: Dolphin House, Moreton Business Park, Moreton-on-Lugg, > Hereford. HR4 8DS. UK **** > > ** ** > > VAT ID No. GB 931 1150 71 > Registered in England No. 4057753**** > > *Confidentiality note ***** > > This e-mail, including any attachment, may contain confidential and > privileged information. If you have received it by mistake, please notify > us by reply e-mail and then delete this e-mail and any attachment from yo ur > system. Thank you!**** > > ** ** > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:58:24 AM PST US Subject: Re: Fw: RE: Pietenpol-List: Engine Mount Complete-Work Continues From: Ryan Mueller Ah, just your abbrevv....gott itt. As an aside, my definition of military intel is "oxymoron", and "worthless". Firsthand experience tells me so do not archive On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 11:14 AM, Michael Perez wrote: > Agree. The double "L" is just my spin on it... > > The military abriviation is INT. > > Michael Perez > Pietenpol HINT Videos > Karetaker Aero > www.karetakeraero.com > > Do not archive > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 11:05:12 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rod Cap Hole Orientation From: Ryan Mueller Numbers up is in regard to the crank being vertical on a stand.....flange down, rear up.....so orient the rods with that in mind..... On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 11:45 AM, Michael Perez wrote: > I neglected to note in which direction the holes on the connecting rod > caps should face while installed on the crank during disassembly. The > manual states to have all conn. rod numbers facing up, but depending on > which way the crank is laying, that would have the oil holes squirting > either forward or aft. Should the holes face forward, aft, or does it > matter? > > Michael Perez > Pietenpol HINT Videos > Karetaker Aero > www.karetakeraero.com > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 11:52:23 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Mike Hayes Pietenpol attraction Very good Mike! These things happen around Pietenpols. I mostly get th e 80 and older women checking out my Pietenpol but occasionally an accidentally younger one will stop by to look at it. Mike C. ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 12:12:25 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: My Babe Magnet From: Matthew He did say 'artsy' which I read as "hippie" Do not archive Sent from my iPhone On Jun 15, 2012, at 1:51 PM, Ryan Mueller wrote: > She's suspect....who wears legwarmers over boots? And that dress, and thos e shoes! Geez! > > do not archive > > On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Hayes, Mike wrote: > Hello Chaps, > > > > Just a quick piccie of what to expect when you get to the end of your proj ect! > > In reality, some arty girlies from a local college had seen me wobbling ar ound and wanted to borrow my =9CLovely Little Aeroplane=9D for a photo shoot. > > My calculations show that if I had started building at the age of ten I wo uld have been in with more of a chance! > > > > Regards, > > > > Mike > > > > Mike Hayes > Applications Specialist > > GEA Heat Exchangers Ltd > GEA Heat Exchangers > Phone. +44 1432 277277, Fax. +44 1432 355988 > > Mob. +44 7831 409622 > mike.hayes@gea.com > > www.gea.com > > We live our values. > Excellence =A2 Passion =A2 Integrity =A2 Responsibility =A2 GEA-versity > > Regional Address > > Registered Office: Dolphin House, Moreton Business Park, Moreton-on-Lugg, H ereford. HR4 8DS. UK > > > > VAT ID No. GB 931 1150 71 > Registered in England No. 4057753 > > Confidentiality note > > This e-mail, including any attachment, may contain confidential and privil eged information. If you have received it by mistake, please notify us by re ply e-mail and then delete this e-mail and any attachment from your system. T hank you! > > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 01:33:43 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead From: "IT Girl" I am so excited and glad that you are going to make it!! -------- Shelley Tumino IT Girl wife of "Axel" NX899KP DO NOT ARCHIVE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375765#375765 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 02:53:17 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: My Babe Magnet From: "Mark Roberts" Nice Prop! (Yes, and the girl's attractive too... But nice lines on the prop!) do not archive -------- do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375773#375773 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 02:57:21 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Mike Hayes Pietenpol attraction From: "Mark Roberts" Mike, i believe "Cuy" comes from the latin "Cuy-ous" which meant "Chick Magnet"... The Piet just helps. -------- do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375775#375775 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 07:42:42 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Mike Hayes Pietenpol attraction I thought Cayous was a cowboy's horse. It does fit though. After all, girls do love their horses! Right? :-) Clif Life is not a matter of holding good cards, but rather, of playing a bad hand well!" Robert Louis Stevenson do not archive > Mike, i believe "Cuy" comes from the latin "Cuy-ous" which meant "Chick > Magnet"... > > The Piet just helps. > > -------- > do not archive ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 09:52:40 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: Pietenpol-List: W&B Conducted W&B today.aft CG came in at 19"!! Empty weight is 718 lbs..I'm happy. Note the Jack Phillips style wing jacks.that made it sooo easy! 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