Pietenpol-List Digest Mon 06/18/12

Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Mon 06/18/12

Total Messages Posted: 25



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 06:14 AM - Subject: Re: Jerry's first flight (Donald Lane)
     2. 06:49 AM - Re: Re: How it's made: Airplanes (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB)
     3. 07:29 AM - Re: How it's made: Airplanes (Frank Metcalfe)
     4. 10:01 AM - Re: First flight (scudrun)
     5. 12:38 PM - What welding rod did you use for 4130? (Mark Roberts)
     6. 01:09 PM - Re: What welding rod did you use for 4130? (K5YAC)
     7. 01:14 PM - Re: How it's made: Airplanes (K5YAC)
     8. 01:15 PM - Re: What welding rod did you use for 4130? (mike Hardaway)
     9. 01:15 PM - Re: What welding rod did you use for 4130? (Scott Knowlton)
    10. 01:21 PM - Re: What welding rod did you use for 4130? (John Franklin)
    11. 01:28 PM - Re: What welding rod did you use for 4130? (K5YAC)
    12. 01:31 PM - Re: What welding rod did you use for 4130? (Gary Boothe)
    13. 02:06 PM - Re: What welding rod did you use for 4130? (Mark Roberts)
    14. 02:20 PM - Re: What welding rod did you use for 4130? (Barry Davis)
    15. 02:36 PM - Re: What welding rod did you use for 4130? (gboothe5@comcast.net)
    16. 03:34 PM - Re: What welding rod did you use for 4130? (John Francis)
    17. 04:27 PM - Re: What welding rod did you use for 4130? (airlion)
    18. 05:40 PM - Re: What welding rod did you use for 4130? (Mark Roberts)
    19. 10:27 PM - What is this thingy called?? (Mark Roberts)
    20. 10:43 PM - Re: NX53WE specs (johnwoods@westnet.com.au)
    21. 10:51 PM - Re: What is this thingy called?? (Ryan Mueller)
    22. 11:00 PM - Re: What is this thingy called?? (Michael Groah)
    23. 11:05 PM - Re: What is this thingy called?? (Mark Roberts)
    24. 11:09 PM - Re: What is this thingy called?? (Mark Roberts)
    25. 11:15 PM - Re: What is this thingy called?? (Mark Roberts)
 
 
 

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Time: 06:14:12 AM PST US
From: "Donald Lane" <dslane@embarqmail.com>
Subject: Jerry's first flight      
      Congratulations on a successful first flight
      Don L
      

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Time: 06:49:11 AM PST US
From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
Subject: Re: How it's made: Airplanes      
      
      I am shocked to learn that "aviation was once the exclusive domain of military
      and commercial pilots" from such an authoritative source and in such a deep and
      authoritative voice. 
      
      I also thought that most planes today are carbonfibre or Fibreglass. I thought
      that most were aluminum. I guess you could even make one from steel tube and cloth
      or "Heaven forbid" Wood and cloth!
      
      I learn new things every day.
      
      Steve D
      
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net>
      Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: How it's made: Airplanes
      
      
      > 
      > Careful, Mark!
      > 
      > Gary Boothe
      > NX308MB
      > Original Poplar Piet Copy Kat
      > Do not archive
      > 
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
      > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts
      > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 7:19 PM
      > To: Piet List
      > Subject: Pietenpol-List: How it's made: Airplanes
      > 
      > --> <
      > 
      > Funny... I didn't see ONE piece of spruce in the whole thing... NOT ONE!
      > 
      > And they call it an airplane??!
      > 
      > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LhN_T5tGK8&feature=youtube_gdata_player
      > 
      > 
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Time: 07:29:58 AM PST US
From: Frank Metcalfe <fmetcalf@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: How it's made: Airplanes      
      Looks like the same process as a canoe !!
      -
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGespWiyB3E
      
      --- On Sun, 6/17/12, Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com> wrote:
      
      
      From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
      Subject: Pietenpol-List: How it's made: Airplanes
      
      
      
      Funny... I didn't see ONE piece of spruce in the whole thing... NOT ONE!
      
      And they call it an airplane??!
      
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LhN_T5tGK8&feature=youtube_gdata_player
      
      
      le, List Admin.
      
      

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Time: 10:01:35 AM PST US
Subject: Re: First flight
From: "scudrun" <jstreet@uwaterloo.ca>      
      
      Congrats and also a nice looking airplane!  Many happy returns.
      
      Joe
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376002#376002
      
      

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Time: 12:38:27 PM PST US
Subject: What welding rod did you use for 4130?
From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>      
      I see some $65 per pound welding rod on ACS... surely there is something
      cheaper? Being a newbie at welding, I plead ignorance ...  thanks guys!
      

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Time: 01:09:52 PM PST US
Subject: Re: What welding rod did you use for 4130?
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10@cox.net>      
      
      For Oxy/Acetylene... I'm using RG-65 (N0. 32CMS).  It is recommended for 4130 and
      is much cheaper that what you have found.  
      
      https://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/mepages/oxweld.php
      
      --------
      Mark Chouinard
      Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376012#376012
      
      

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Time: 01:14:10 PM PST US
Subject: Re: How it's made: Airplanes
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10@cox.net>      
      
      Did they mention vacuum bagging?  What the heck is the world coming to?
      
      --------
      Mark Chouinard
      Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376013#376013
      
      

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Time: 01:15:37 PM PST US
Subject: Re: What welding rod did you use for 4130?
From: mike Hardaway <bkemike@gmail.com>      
      Mark, 4130 is best gas or TIG welded with mild steel rod. The additional
      thickness of filler makes up the difference in unit strength.
      A local welding shop will have 1/16 and 3/32 copper coated rod you need for
      8$-$12 per pound.  "True Pietenpolers" (those who've flown their airplanes
      already) can tell you how few pounds you need for the welding on a Piet.
      Mike Hardaway
      
      On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 12:37 PM, Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>wrote:
      
      > I see some $65 per pound welding rod on ACS... surely there is something
      > cheaper? Being a newbie at welding, I plead ignorance ...  thanks guys!
      >
      > *
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      > *
      >
      >
      

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Time: 01:15:57 PM PST US
From: "Scott Knowlton " <flyingscott_k@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: What welding rod did you use for 4130?      
      
      I was trained to use my oxy torch by some Canadian Recreational Aircraft Association
      folks who recommended mild steel welding rod for filler rod with 4130. 
      My entire control system was welded with mild steel rod from Princess Auto (your
      Harbour Frieght I would guess).   
      
      Scott Knowlton 
      Burlington ON 
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
      Subject: Pietenpol-List: What welding rod did you use for 4130?
      
      

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Time: 01:21:56 PM PST US
From: John Franklin <jbfjr@peoplepc.com>
Subject: Re: What welding rod did you use for 4130?      
      
      Mark,
      
      There is an EAA Homebuilder Hints video on this subject and they say that mild
      steel welding rod is acceptable for 4130.  One of them is the RG-65 that Mark
      Chouinard mentioned.
      
      Regards,
      John Franklin
      Prairie Aire 4TA0
      
      -----Original Message-----
      
      From: Mark Roberts 
      
      Sent: Jun 18, 2012 2:37 PM
      
      
      Subject: Pietenpol-List: What welding rod did you use for 4130?
      
      
      I see some $65 per pound welding rod on ACS... surely there is something cheaper?
      Being a newbie at welding, I plead ignorance ...  thanks guys!
      
      
      ________________________________________
      
      

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Time: 01:28:06 PM PST US
Subject: Re: What welding rod did you use for 4130?
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10@cox.net>      
      
      Funny that Jeff should mention that... I was just looking for that video.  
      
      http://www.eaavideo.org/video.aspx?v=1553988082001
      
      --------
      Mark Chouinard
      Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376018#376018
      
      

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Time: 01:31:57 PM PST US
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
Subject: What welding rod did you use for 4130?      
      Mark,
      
      
      Thanks for the welcomed distraction from work! Gave me a chance to thumb
      thru ALL those receipts..but, anything for you, buddy!
      
      
      I am looking at a receipt from 2006, from a local welding supply, for 10 lbs
      of 3/32" 4130 welding rod.$8.832/lb!!! Curious, I just called them and was
      quoted $20.52/lb. I originally bought 10lbs, and have wood gear, and I think
      I may have used about 3lbs.
      
      
      Gary Boothe
      
      NX308MB
      
      
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts
      Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 12:38 PM
      Subject: Pietenpol-List: What welding rod did you use for 4130?
      
      
      I see some $65 per pound welding rod on ACS... surely there is something
      cheaper? Being a newbie at welding, I plead ignorance ...  thanks guys!
      
      

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Time: 02:06:25 PM PST US
Subject: Re: What welding rod did you use for 4130?
From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>      
      
      Thank.you ALL!
      
      Just what I needed. I was hoping to NOT have to buy $65 a pound rods to glue the
      metal together!
      
      So now, on with placing the order for control mechanisms!
      
      Best to you all!
      
      Mark
      
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      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376026#376026
      
      

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Time: 02:20:26 PM PST US
From: "Barry Davis" <bed@mindspring.com>
Subject: What welding rod did you use for 4130?      
      what model welder and type?
      Barry
      
        _____  
      
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts
      Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 3:38 PM
      Subject: Pietenpol-List: What welding rod did you use for 4130?
      
      
      I see some $65 per pound welding rod on ACS... surely there is something
      cheaper? Being a newbie at welding, I plead ignorance ...  thanks guys!
      
      

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Time: 02:36:40 PM PST US
Subject: Re: What welding rod did you use for 4130?
From: gboothe5@comcast.net      
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Time: 03:34:11 PM PST US
Subject: Re: What welding rod did you use for 4130?
From: "John Francis" <Mrkringles@msn.com>      
      
      Miller recommends
      
      Filler Material 
      ER70S-2 or ER80S-D2.
      
      3 lbs.  $27.70. Free fright
      Cyberweld
      
      --------
      John Francis
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376036#376036
      
      

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Time: 04:27:11 PM PST US
From: airlion <airlion@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: What welding rod did you use for 4130?      
      
      ________________________________
      From: Barry Davis <bed@mindspring.com>
      Sent: Mon, June 18, 2012 5:20:49 PM
      Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: What welding rod did you use for 4130?
      
      
      what model welder and type?
      Barry
      
      
      ________________________________
       From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com  
      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark  Roberts
      Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 3:38 PM
      Subject: Pietenpol-List: What welding rod did you use  for 4130?
      
      
      I see some $65 per pound welding rod on ACS... surely there is something  
      cheaper? Being a newbie at welding, I plead ignorance ...  thanks guys!
      
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Time: 05:40:36 PM PST US
Subject: Re: What welding rod did you use for 4130?
From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>      
      
      I'll be oxyacetylene welding the necessary parts.
      
      To unskilled for TIG! (or oxy at this point.... Practice needed...)
      
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      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376041#376041
      
      

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Time: 10:27:17 PM PST US
Subject: What is this thingy called??
From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>      
      
      I will be humiliated to know this has been under my nose all night, but I don't
      know what the part the arrow is pointing to on the attached picture is called.
      Therefore, I am having a hard time finding it online at ACS...
      
      And I haven't been drinking.
      
      Anyone? Anyone? :o
      
      Thanks folks!
      
      Mark
      
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      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376045#376045
      
      
      Attachments: 
      
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Time: 10:43:38 PM PST US
From: johnwoods@westnet.com.au
Subject: Re: NX53WE specs      
      
      Hi Bob, 
      
      
      Congratulations on achieving flight. 
      
      For us Riblett 612 outlaws, could you=C2-give us=C2-some insight with r
      egards to =C2-your CoG for your initial flights ? 
      
      
      Best regards, 
      John Woods 
      Perth, Western Australia
      

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Time: 10:51:45 PM PST US
Subject: Re: What is this thingy called??
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com>      
      That would be a clevis.....
      
      On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 12:26 AM, Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>wrote:
      
      > mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
      >
      > I will be humiliated to know this has been under my nose all night, but I
      > don't know what the part the arrow is pointing to on the attached picture
      > is called. Therefore, I am having a hard time finding it online at ACS...
      >
      > And I haven't been drinking.
      >
      > Anyone? Anyone? :o
      >
      > Thanks folks!
      >
      > Mark
      >
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      >
      >
      > Read this topic online here:
      >
      > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376045#376045
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Time: 11:00:10 PM PST US
Subject: Re: What is this thingy called??
From: Michael Groah <dskogrover@yahoo.com>      
      
      Mark,  that looks to be an AN -115 cable shackle.  I used them but many people
      on here will be able to show you  cheaper ways of doing the same thing. The archives
      should be full of ideas for alternative shackles.  
      
      Mike Groah
      
      Do not archive
      
      On Jun 18, 2012, at 10:26 PM, "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com> wrote:
      
      > 
      > I will be humiliated to know this has been under my nose all night, but I don't
      know what the part the arrow is pointing to on the attached picture is called.
      Therefore, I am having a hard time finding it online at ACS...
      > 
      > And I haven't been drinking.
      > 
      > Anyone? Anyone? :o
      > 
      > Thanks folks!
      > 
      > Mark
      > 
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      > 
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Time: 11:05:56 PM PST US
Subject: Re: What is this thingy called??
From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>      
      
      Thanks Ryan.
      
      Is there a specific kind of clevis, as I can't find one like it in the ACS Catalog
      or online. I see bunches of clevis's but not this style... Looks like a standard
      type for cable assembly but it is not listed with other parts called 'clevis'
      
      Thanks again all.
      
      Mark
      
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Time: 11:09:05 PM PST US
Subject: Re: What is this thingy called??
From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>      
      
      Thanks Mike. I will have a look for that. Looks like I was replying to Ryan when
      you were replying to me!
      
      Thanks. Not sure what to search for in the archives but I'll try cable shackle
      and see what I find...
      
      Mark
      
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Time: 11:15:05 PM PST US
Subject: Re: What is this thingy called??
From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>      
      
      Oh yeah....! $10.50 a pop! Woo hoo! 
      
      A search of the archives sounds like time well spent to me!
      
      Thanks again Mike. It was indeed what I was looking for. Dunno how I could literally
      search so many places and not see them.
      
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