---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 06/19/12: 31 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:28 AM - Re: What is this thingy called?? (Jack Phillips) 2. 03:28 AM - Re: Re: What welding rod did you use for 4130? (Tim White) 3. 04:02 AM - Re: What is this thingy called?? (Jerry Dotson) 4. 04:17 AM - Re: Re: What welding rod did you use for 4130? (helspersew@aol.com) 5. 05:02 AM - Re: What welding rod did you use for 4130? (tools) 6. 05:40 AM - Re: Re: What is this thingy called?? (airlion) 7. 05:52 AM - Heel Brake Question (DaveG601XL) 8. 06:02 AM - Re: What welding rod did you use for 4130? (K5YAC) 9. 06:24 AM - Re: Re: What welding rod did you use for 4130? (helspersew@aol.com) 10. 06:25 AM - Re: Heel Brake Question (Gary Boothe) 11. 06:41 AM - Re: Heel Brake Question (Jim Markle) 12. 07:05 AM - String Theory (Crankcase) (Michael Perez) 13. 07:30 AM - Re: String Theory (Crankcase) (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]) 14. 07:45 AM - Re: String Theory (Crankcase) (John Francis) 15. 07:48 AM - Re: String Theory (Crankcase) (Michael Perez) 16. 07:53 AM - Re: Re: String Theory (Crankcase) (Michael Perez) 17. 08:03 AM - Re: W&B (AircamperN11MS) 18. 08:03 AM - silk thread crank sealing, Continental engines. (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]) 19. 08:20 AM - Re: Re: W&B (Gary Boothe) 20. 08:42 AM - Re: W&B (AircamperN11MS) 21. 09:39 AM - Re: What welding rod did you use for 4130? (tools) 22. 10:37 AM - Re: What welding rod did you use for 4130? (Bill Church) 23. 12:20 PM - Re: String Theory (Crankcase) (Jerry Dotson) 24. 01:13 PM - Re: What is this thingy called?? (Jim Boyer) 25. 01:41 PM - Re: What is this thingy called?? (John Francis) 26. 02:10 PM - Re: What is this thingy called?? (Mark Roberts) 27. 02:19 PM - Re: What welding rod did you use for 4130? (Mark Roberts) 28. 02:43 PM - Re: What welding rod did you use for 4130? (K5YAC) 29. 04:31 PM - Re: Re: What is this thingy called?? (Greg Cardinal) 30. 07:52 PM - Re: String Theory (Crankcase) (Jack Phillips) 31. 09:22 PM - Cable making (Ken Bickers) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:28:13 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: What is this thingy called?? Shackle, AN 115 Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 1:27 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: What is this thingy called?? --> I will be humiliated to know this has been under my nose all night, but I don't know what the part the arrow is pointing to on the attached picture is called. Therefore, I am having a hard time finding it online at ACS... And I haven't been drinking. Anyone? Anyone? :o Thanks folks! Mark -------- do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376045#376045 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/screen_shot_2012_06_18_at_100758_pm_656.p ng ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:28:50 AM PST US From: Tim White Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: What welding rod did you use for 4130? RG-60 was recommended to me by 2 AI's who have taught aircraft welding. Works well with a little practice Copy and paste link below for a good source. https://weldingsupply.securesites.net/cgi-bin/einstein.pl?Next::1:UNDEF:OR:terms::PF Tim White On 6/18/2012 8:40 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Mark Roberts" > > I'll be oxyacetylene welding the necessary parts. > > To unskilled for TIG! (or oxy at this point.... Practice needed...) > > -------- > do not archive > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376041#376041 > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:02:32 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: What is this thingy called?? From: "Jerry Dotson" Mark find some roller chain, borrow a chain breaker and in a few minutes you can pull enough links apart to connect everything that you will need. I used #50. do not archive -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 First flight June 16,2012 Started building July, 2009 21" wheels Lycoming O-235 C2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376061#376061 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:17:48 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: What welding rod did you use for 4130? From: helspersew@aol.com Mark, Actually I found TIG to be much easier. The hand coordination is very simil ar to gas welding. The advantage is no pre-heating needed, it is quicker, a nd I believe easier to control the heat. Very clean- no soot/sparks etc. Al so I can do some aluminum welding with TIG whereas as hard as I tried, I co uld never gas weld aluminum. The disadvantage is the cost of the equipment . After you start TIG you would never go back to gas. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Mark Roberts Sent: Mon, Jun 18, 2012 7:40 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: What welding rod did you use for 4130? > I'll be oxyacetylene welding the necessary parts. To unskilled for TIG! (or oxy at this point.... Practice needed...) -------- o not archive ead this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376041#376041 -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:02:49 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: What welding rod did you use for 4130? From: "tools" I'll second what Dan says about TIG. Also WAY easier for really thin metals, like a lot of the fittings on the Piet. Rigbt now, it seems there's lots of TIG welders being sold via ebay, craigslist, etc, for a really good deal. Welding stainless is also really easy with TIG. In all fairness though, gas welding is probably the most versatile. Not easy, but you can weld aluminum, you can also heat things up to get them apart, braze and cut steel with it. Just don't not consider TIG because of it's "complexity". It's quite easy to pick up I thought. And by the way, you'll need er70s-2 filler rod for 4130. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376065#376065 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:40:45 AM PST US From: airlion Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: What is this thingy called?? Mark, I used motorcycle links. Gardiner ----- Original Message ---- From: Mark Roberts Sent: Tue, June 19, 2012 2:06:17 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: What is this thingy called?? Thanks Ryan. Is there a specific kind of clevis, as I can't find one like it in the ACS Catalog or online. I see bunches of clevis's but not this style... Looks like a standard type for cable assembly but it is not listed with other parts called 'clevis' Thanks again all. Mark -------- do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376049#376049 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:52:39 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Heel Brake Question From: "DaveG601XL" I picked up some old Gerdes A-049 brake master cylinders that are of the toe brake type that need to sit fairly close to vertical. I am thinking of using these, but as a heel brake with the cylinders mounted upright under the front seat. I am just starting mock-up the geometry of the brake pedal and there are a few complicating factors that I am trying to work through. Has anyone tried this set-up? An archive search did not turn anything up. Thanks, -------- David Gallagher Zodiac 601 XL-B: flying, 200+ hours now Next project under construction: Aircamper Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376068#376068 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:02:39 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: What welding rod did you use for 4130? From: "K5YAC" The only other difficulty with TIG (so I've heard and read) is the fact that you'll need to normalize after welding. I'm not saying that TIG is the wrong way to go... heck, I'd like to try it sometime... but the heat effected zone is so small compared to gas that much of the stress is concentrated in a small area, requiring heat treating or normalizing to reduce or disburse the potential for damage or failure. This could be as simple as breaking out the ol rosebud and heating the cluster or part to a dark cherry red and letting it air cool... but none the less, you are right back to your ol buddy, the oxy/acetylene torch. Not an expert, just relaying what I've been told. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376069#376069 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:24:15 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: What welding rod did you use for 4130? From: helspersew@aol.com Mark, I took one of those SportAir workshops (TIG welding) sponsored by EAA. Acco rding to the instructor (he was from Lincoln Welders) and all the written i nfo that they provided, normalizing is not needed on the thinner metals suc h as we use on aircraft. I would highly recommend attendance at any of the Sportair workshops. Went to the fabric covering one also. BTW I met Gary Bell there for the first time. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: K5YAC Sent: Tue, Jun 19, 2012 8:02 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: What welding rod did you use for 4130? The only other difficulty with TIG (so I've heard and read) is the fact tha t ou'll need to normalize after welding. I'm not saying that TIG is the wron g ay to go... heck, I'd like to try it sometime... but the heat effected zone is o small compared to gas that much of the stress is concentrated in a small rea, requiring heat treating or normalizing to reduce or disburse the poten tial or damage or failure. This could be as simple as breaking out the ol roseb ud nd heating the cluster or part to a dark cherry red and letting it air cool ... ut none the less, you are right back to your ol buddy, the oxy/acetylene to rch. ot an expert, just relaying what I've been told. -------- ark Chouinard ings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear ead this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376069#376069 -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:25:00 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Heel Brake Question David, I designed my own heel brakes, which are mechanical, but I am sure you could easily adapt cylinders for hydraulics. There are a few pics on www.westcoastpiet.com, but let me know if you need more... http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Gary%20Boothe/images/IMG_2992.JPG http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Gary%20Boothe/images/Brake_Pedal_Hook-up_2.j pg Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DaveG601XL Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 5:52 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Heel Brake Question --> I picked up some old Gerdes A-049 brake master cylinders that are of the toe brake type that need to sit fairly close to vertical. I am thinking of using these, but as a heel brake with the cylinders mounted upright under the front seat. I am just starting mock-up the geometry of the brake pedal and there are a few complicating factors that I am trying to work through. Has anyone tried this set-up? An archive search did not turn anything up. Thanks, -------- David Gallagher Zodiac 601 XL-B: flying, 200+ hours now Next project under construction: Aircamper Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376068#376068 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:41:31 AM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Heel Brake Question And if that second picture link below returns an error when you click on it (as mine did...), just add "pg" (without the quotes) to the link in the browser window.... http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Gary%20Boothe/images/Brake_Pedal_Hook-up_2.j pg -----Original Message----- >From: Gary Boothe >Sent: Jun 19, 2012 8:24 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Heel Brake Question > > >David, > >I designed my own heel brakes, which are mechanical, but I am sure you could >easily adapt cylinders for hydraulics. There are a few pics on >www.westcoastpiet.com, but let me know if you need more... > >http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Gary%20Boothe/images/IMG_2992.JPG >http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Gary%20Boothe/images/Brake_Pedal_Hook-up_2.j >pg > > >Gary Boothe >NX308MB > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DaveG601XL >Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 5:52 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Heel Brake Question > >--> > >I picked up some old Gerdes A-049 brake master cylinders that are of the toe >brake type that need to sit fairly close to vertical. I am thinking of >using these, but as a heel brake with the cylinders mounted upright under >the front seat. I am just starting mock-up the geometry of the brake pedal >and there are a few complicating factors that I am trying to work through. > >Has anyone tried this set-up? An archive search did not turn anything up. > >Thanks, > >-------- >David Gallagher >Zodiac 601 XL-B: flying, 200+ hours now >Next project under construction: Aircamper > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376068#376068 > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:05:23 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Pietenpol-List: String Theory (Crankcase) I know about using string to help seal the case halves of a Continental A-6 5 upon reassembly. My particular manual, (2011) does not mention this strin g. It merely states to apply a thin coating of sealant to the mating surfac es.- My concern is that my "thin coating" may squish out when the bolts a re torqued and end up coming looses inside the engine. Anyone NOT using the string and if so...any issues without it? Michael Perez =0APietenpol HINT Videos =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:30:59 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: String Theory (Crankcase) That's the key Mike-a thin coating of Titeseal will do the job. Thick an d you'll get squeeze out which you don't want for the reason you cited. The silk thread is an insurance policy to help prevent oil leaks. I don't know of anyone who hasn't used the string (in our local area at least) and it is recommended by the b est-of-the best small Continental engine rebuilders that I know of personally-Bill Klosz and Don Helmick and by the well-respec ted Harry Fenton. I don't know of anyone who hasn't used the string. You can be the first and tell us if you get oil leaks or not but obviously it is much easier to install it now than to wish you had it later. Again , your choice-that's the beauty of homebuilding and experimental aircraft building in the United States. Mike C. http://textors.com/PietProject.html Photos from Jack Textor's fantastic photo documentary of his engine overhau l-thank you Jack! [cid:image001.jpg@01CD4E06.88215AB0] [cid:image002.jpg@01CD4E06.88215AB0] ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:45:44 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: String Theory (Crankcase) From: "John Francis" Michael, This weekend I mounted a 5th bearing on my Corvair engine. The directions tell you to apply enough sealant (Permatex Anaerobic Gasket Maker) so you squeeze some out around the assembly, but try to not get any into the engine. A tall order. I called Permatex tech support and he told me it will simply dissolve into the oil. Another reason to change your oil often in the beginning. -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376080#376080 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:48:25 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: String Theory (Crankcase) The string is going in for sure, I was just curious since my manual did not say to use it, I wondered if people have, in fact, not used it and what the effect was. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:53:39 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: String Theory (Crankcase) Thanks John. Didn't consider the Corvair rebuilds. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:03:24 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: W&B From: "AircamperN11MS" Hi Mike, Your plane is looking great. When all is said and done, We will have the green team here on the west coast. Keep me informed so I can try to make it up north to fly with you and Gary. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376085#376085 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1010467_189.jpg ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 08:03:55 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: silk thread crank sealing, Continental engines. There is a service bulletin evidently (I found the one below that calls out for the silk thread for the IO-360) that calls out a part number for the thread (see below, PN 641543). I found some for sale in a quick search too. What Harry Fenton's words say from his web page: [cid:image001.png@01CD4E0B.2E52AF70] [cid:image004.jpg@01CD4E0B.2E766410] ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 08:20:35 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: W&B "Green Team!" I love it! I also love your hangar! Gary Boothe NX308MB Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AircamperN11MS Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 8:03 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: W&B --> Hi Mike, Your plane is looking great. When all is said and done, We will have the green team here on the west coast. Keep me informed so I can try to make it up north to fly with you and Gary. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376085#376085 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1010467_189.jpg ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 08:42:40 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: W&B From: "AircamperN11MS" I wish that was my hanger. We can all dream. That one is in San Diego at SEE. Went to an antique show there a few years ago. Just think how good we will look in a tight / loose formation at mach 0.00001 and 500 AGL. Just thinking about it lowers my blood pressure. What a great feeling. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376089#376089 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 09:39:56 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: What welding rod did you use for 4130? From: "tools" I work with the guys at EAA's Week's hangar where they do all sorts of welding on their aircraft with TIG and don't normalize either. Furthermore, doing a LOT of reading on the matter, the process of normalizing is rather complicated, requiring close temp control, times and cool down rates for it to be effective, none which can be done without rather weird equipment and know how. Like usual, ask one question from three guys and get a dozen answers! It's the kind of thing that keeps me awake at nights... I'm finally firmly in the camp (mostly after having seen it in person a lot) that TIG is fine, easier for me, no normalizing is required. With that said, do some reading on the subject of brazing 4130... You'll get twice the number of theories still! Something like two dozen ideas from three guys. Still, an oxy/acet rig is REALLY handy. If you can oxy/acet to aircraft standards, going TIG later is going to be a piece of cake. I agree the sportair workshops are great. Dr. Joe (can't remember his last name) who does a lot of teaching of them is really a good instructor. I've sat through a lot of this lecturing during Air Venture (Oshkosh). I also have sat through his gas welding aluminum seminars, which are really really good. There's a short video of his on oxy/acet and 4130 on the EAA website (or there's a link). It's short and really really really (that's THREE reallys) a good place to start. Explains a simple rule of thumb procedure (1/8", 45 degrees and 90 degrees) for oxy/acet of 4130. This whole welding thing is very cumulative. It's a matter of burning some gas, rods and metal. Like lead poisoning, your brain just collects the info and one day it'll seem a lot easier than before, for no good reason. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376091#376091 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 10:37:52 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: What welding rod did you use for 4130? From: "Bill Church" The research that I've done on TIG welding 4130 indicates that post weld normalizing is only needed for metal thicknesses over 1/8". Therefore, for the metal parts on a Pietenpol, very few welds (if any) would require normalizing. Just be sure to allow the welds to cool slowly, in still air. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376093#376093 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 12:20:56 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: String Theory (Crankcase) From: "Jerry Dotson" Michael I used LOCTITE-515 on my Lycoming. They came out with a service bulletin that says you can use this as well as General Electric Companys RTV-102. I only have 3 hours on my O-235 but so far it is dusty dry. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 First flight June 16,2012 Started building July, 2009 21" wheels Lycoming O-235 C2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376096#376096 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/lycoming_cc_sealant_si1125d_112.pdf ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 01:13:35 PM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: What is this thingy called?? Hi Mark, Its called a cable shackle. Look in ACS catalog for cable shackles. Jim B. ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 01:41:23 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: What is this thingy called?? From: "John Francis" Found this picture posted some time ago by Clif Dawson -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376103#376103 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/copy_of_outer_top_brace_fit_100_179.jpg ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 02:10:32 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: What is this thingy called?? From: "Mark Roberts" Excellent John! You know, I knew i had seen other ways of doing the same thing like this photo, but just could not remember it. This looks to be an excellent substitute for the $10.50 shackles. unless the whole thing is $11.00! :o) Thanks for posting this one! Mark -------- do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376105#376105 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 02:19:51 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: What welding rod did you use for 4130? From: "Mark Roberts" Thanks Guys. Lots of very good info here. A bit of history: I purchased a set of Pober Jr Ace and Corbin Jr Ace plans just prior to settling in on the Piet. I did this as I thought I would prefer a side by side seating over the tandem seating in the Piet. Then, I realized that I didn't understand welding and feel more comfortable with wood. I made the right choice, but still am a bit intimidated by the welding, even though I am pretty good with stuff like this and have welded test stuff in the past with a friend's coaching. So, I think the unknown is the worst of this. I will be getting some practice material to get up to speed, and i spoke to a friend that is a professional welder last night, and he is up for helping me learn the Oxy set up, and if I buy a TIG set up, he'll teach me that as well. I think the fear of the unknown is the worst of my issues. I will check out the TIG set before making up my mind. I bought the Tim Man's EAA tapes on how to weld a few years ago, so I am re-watching them to get up to speed. Just knowing I have this much support on a question like this is very helpful to my confidence (and my wife's too, as she has told me she wants to ride in a SAFE airplane.... after the 40 hours get flown off and she still hasn't needed to collect the life insurance money! Nice lady!) Many Thanks! Mark -------- do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376106#376106 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 02:43:02 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: What welding rod did you use for 4130? From: "K5YAC" I'll be darned! Thanks for the info gents! -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376108#376108 ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 04:31:51 PM PST US From: "Greg Cardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: What is this thingy called?? The AN111 cable bushings are a better application here than the AN100 thimbles. The AN393 pin will have greater contact surface area. See attached PDF. Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Roberts" Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 4:09 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: What is this thingy called?? > > > Excellent John! > > You know, I knew i had seen other ways of doing the same thing like this > photo, but just could not remember it. > > This looks to be an excellent substitute for the $10.50 shackles. unless > the whole thing is $11.00! :o) > > Thanks for posting this one! > > Mark > > -------- > do not archive > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376105#376105 > > > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 07:52:56 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: String Theory (Crankcase) I used the string. No leaks after 7 years and 260 hours. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Perez Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 10:05 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: String Theory (Crankcase) I know about using string to help seal the case halves of a Continental A-65 upon reassembly. My particular manual, (2011) does not mention this string. It merely states to apply a thin coating of sealant to the mating surfaces. My concern is that my "thin coating" may squish out when the bolts are torqued and end up coming looses inside the engine. Anyone NOT using the string and if so...any issues without it? Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 09:22:57 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cable making From: Ken Bickers With the discussions of cable making over the past couple of weeks, I thought I might pass along a tip that was passed along to me by some of the old timers here at my local airport. Maybe everyone else knows this tip, but it was news to me. Attached is a photo of a connector that they recommended for me to use when fabricating cables. I picked up this connector at Home Depot for about 3 bucks or so. It works like a charm in sizing and holding cable lengths with precision. It acts like a third hand, but without any of the complaining. Together with the set of cable cutters that I bought at the local mountain bike repair station for about $20-$25, cable making has shifted from a dreaded task to something that is simple and easy. 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