Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Fri 06/22/12


Total Messages Posted: 29



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 04:44 AM - Re: pinstriping tape (Don Emch)
     2. 04:52 AM - Re: Horn mistake.... (Don Emch)
     3. 05:02 AM - Re: Re: Horn mistake.... (Jack Phillips)
     4. 05:23 AM - Re: Horn mistake.... (giacummo)
     5. 06:30 AM - what is a BFR Jack? (Douwe Blumberg)
     6. 06:35 AM - Re: what is a BFR Jack? (womenfly2)
     7. 06:35 AM - Re: Log Book (AircamperN11MS)
     8. 06:50 AM - Re: Re: Log Book (gboothe5@comcast.net)
     9. 07:05 AM - Re: Log Book (AircamperN11MS)
    10. 07:16 AM - Re: Mike Perez's Engine Assembly Update (Michael Perez)
    11. 07:16 AM - Re: from blizzard to 95F and a clean engine case in June (Michael Perez)
    12. 07:36 AM - what's great about this whole Pietenpol thing (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
    13. 07:44 AM - Re: what's great about this whole Pietenpol thing (Gary Boothe)
    14. 07:50 AM - Re: Re: what is a BFR Jack? (C N Campbell)
    15. 08:01 AM - Re: Re: what is a BFR Jack? (Steve Emo)
    16. 08:21 AM - Re: Re: what is a BFR Jack? (Jim Markle)
    17. 08:26 AM - Re: Re: what is a BFR Jack? (Ken Bickers)
    18. 08:36 AM - Re: Re: what is a BFR Jack? (gboothe5@comcast.net)
    19. 08:52 AM - Re: Insurance requirements (woodflier@aol.com)
    20. 09:01 AM - Re: Re: Insurance requirements (Gary Boothe)
    21. 09:18 AM - Re: Re: Insurance requirements (Ken Bickers)
    22. 10:22 AM - Re: what is a BFR Jack? (Jack Phillips)
    23. 10:48 AM - Re: what's great about this whole Pietenpol thing (Jerry Dotson)
    24. 11:44 AM - Re: WACO Fly-In Ohio(Free food) (shad bell)
    25. 12:47 PM - Re: Re: what's great about this whole Pietenpol thing (Jack Phillips)
    26. 01:02 PM - Re: Re: what's great about this whole Pietenpol thing (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
    27. 02:31 PM - Re: what's great about this whole Pietenpol thing (pineymb)
    28. 04:16 PM - Re: what's great about this whole Pietenpol thing (Jerry Dotson)
    29. 08:26 PM - Re: what's great about this whole Pietenpol thing (kevinpurtee)
 
 
 


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    Time: 04:44:51 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: pinstriping tape
    From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir@aol.com>
    Hey Douwe, This is the stuff I use. http://www.tptools.com/Product.aspx?display_id=106 Great stuff. The guys that paint flames on motorcycles and cars use this because it is very flexible. The key is to press it down firmly. I use the back of my fingernail to get a really good seal. To really ensure no leak through, spray a little of the base color along the edge of the tape or a little clear dope. Just a very fine layer. This will seal the edge. Then spray your trim color. The other key is to pull the tape off at nearly a 180 degree angle and pull it off at the right time. Sometimes that time is 20 to 30 minutes after spraying. But if the trim color starts to lift at all, stop! Wait a while. I don't like to wait more than 2 to 3 hours though because the paint starts to lose a little of its flexibility to cut a fine line when the tape is pulled. Very satisfying when you get it right! I recently used the 1/4" tape for the star insignia on the L2 I recently did. Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376299#376299 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0957_730.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/photo0314_154.jpg


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    Time: 04:52:12 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Horn mistake....
    From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir@aol.com>
    Jack... Why is it that we keep our "practice" parts? I have a whole box of those too. Ha! Why do I keep those things?! Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376302#376302


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    Time: 05:02:06 AM PST US
    From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Horn mistake....
    Good question. Maybe we put so much time into making them that even though they're bad, we can't bear to throw them away. Mine are gone now, though, unless they are big enough pieces of steel to be useful to make something else. For example, there is the spreader bar I built for my landing gear with one end flattened to the correct angle, and the other end also flattened, but at some odd angle to the first end. No way to fix it, but I don't want to throw away a 4' length of tubing with two flattened ends. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Emch Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 7:52 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Horn mistake.... Jack... Why is it that we keep our "practice" parts? I have a whole box of those too. Ha! Why do I keep those things?! Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376302#376302


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    Time: 05:23:56 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Horn mistake....
    From: "giacummo" <mario.giacummo@gmail.com>
    By now I am working in everything except metal parts, this job is in my fathers hands. He make two or three landings gears, now he is working in the third engine support, and some others little pieces two times. I remake some parts of the fuselage, cockpit, turtle deck, etc... correct errors in the wood is relatively easy, but with the iron tubes and pieces is difficult and in general implies rebuild them. do not archive -------- Mario Giacummo http://vgmk1.blogspot.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376307#376307


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    Time: 06:30:03 AM PST US
    From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
    Subject: what is a BFR Jack?
    Hey Jack, What is the BFR you were referring to in your post about dual?? Douwe


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    Time: 06:35:14 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: what is a BFR Jack?
    From: "womenfly2" <Love2Fly.KAP@gmail.com>
    -------- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376313#376313


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    Time: 06:35:31 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Log Book
    From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>
    Gary, Come down and spend a weekend or week days with me. We will fly the piet all weekend to get you up to speed and comfortable with it. I think the insurance company would consider it duel time since I have so much time in them. In fact, that would be a good question for them. Even if they don't it would be a good transition for you. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376314#376314


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    Time: 06:50:45 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Log Book
    From: gboothe5@comcast.net
    Thanks, Scott! That's most generous! I have had other offers, most of which are on the other side of the country, for which I am also grateful. I'll contact you directly... Gary Do not archive ------Original Message------ From: AircamperN11MS Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Log Book Sent: Jun 22, 2012 6:35 AM Gary, Come down and spend a weekend or week days with me. We will fly the piet all weekend to get you up to speed and comfortable with it. I think the insurance company would consider it duel time since I have so much time in them. In fact, that would be a good question for them. Even if they don't it would be a good transition for you. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376314#376314 Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry


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    Time: 07:05:19 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Log Book
    From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>
    Here is my contact info. Cell 661-400-1876 Home 661-718-1155 Work 213-485-6137 Typically 5am-2pm Tuesday-Friday. Hours may vary depending on fun meter levels. Personal email: pietman@qnet.com -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376319#376319


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    Time: 07:16:05 AM PST US
    From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: Mike Perez's Engine Assembly Update
    Thanks Mike! I hope in another four months to have the engine running...but only time will tell. Working on these engines is enjoyable and quite rewarding. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com


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    Time: 07:16:12 AM PST US
    From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: from blizzard to 95F and a clean engine case in June
    That was a great day for me...including the weather. EVERYTHING about that day told me I was making the right choice. That day would not have happened with out you Mike, so thanks to YOU! Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com


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    Time: 07:36:30 AM PST US
    From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
    Subject: what's great about this whole Pietenpol thing
    I can't help but think of all the guys who were further along in the proces s of building when I started to build who helped me out along the way-Frank Pavliga was instrumental in guiding me thru the building process sharing what he and his father learned and each one of you can tell a story of one, two, maybe 10 people who helped you as you got started and now along the way. The Piet group has always been like family almost where you start helping a person or they help you then you become friends because of your common interests and goals and then when you're well along in the process you can in turn reach back and help the newer builders in the same way. Very cool stuff. Now get back to making sawdust and burning yourself on hot metal fittings:) ! Mike C.


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    Time: 07:44:40 AM PST US
    From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
    Subject: what's great about this whole Pietenpol thing
    ".burning yourself on hot metal fittings".funny you should mention that! I'm scarred for life. Gary Boothe NX308MB Do not archive From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 7:36 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: what's great about this whole Pietenpol thing I can't help but think of all the guys who were further along in the process of building when I started to build who helped me out along the way-Frank Pavliga was instrumental in guiding me thru the building process sharing what he and his father learned and each one of you can tell a story of one, two, maybe 10 people who helped you as you got started and now along the way. The Piet group has always been like family almost where you start helping a person or they help you then you become friends because of your common interests and goals and then when you're well along in the process you can in turn reach back and help the newer builders in the same way. Very cool stuff. Now get back to making sawdust and burning yourself on hot metal fittingsJ! Mike C.


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    Time: 07:50:42 AM PST US
    From: "C N Campbell" <cncampbell@windstream.net>
    Subject: Re: what is a BFR Jack?
    Bi-annual Flight Review. (Every two years with a CFI) Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "womenfly2" <Love2Fly.KAP@gmail.com> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 9:34 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: what is a BFR Jack? > > > -------- > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376313#376313 > > >


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    Time: 08:01:00 AM PST US
    From: Steve Emo <steve.emo58@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: what is a BFR Jack?
    BFR Or successfully pass a practical test for a higher rating/cert. Steve On Jun 22, 2012, at 10:49 AM, "C N Campbell" <cncampbell@windstream.net> wrote: > > Bi-annual Flight Review. (Every two years with a CFI) > > Do not archive > ----- Original Message ----- From: "womenfly2" <Love2Fly.KAP@gmail.com> > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 9:34 AM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: what is a BFR Jack? > > >> >> >> >> -------- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376313#376313 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > >


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    Time: 08:21:06 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: what is a BFR Jack?
    From: Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
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    Time: 08:26:18 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: what is a BFR Jack?
    From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken@gmail.com>
    biennial -- every other year. biannual -- twice per year Do Not Archive On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 9:20 AM, Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com> wrote: > Biannual...biennual....hmmmm > > > Sent via smartphone....so please ignore my bad speling.... > > > -------- Original message -------- > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: what is a BFR Jack? > From: C N Campbell <cncampbell@windstream.net> > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > CC: > > > <cncampbell@windstream.net> > > Bi-annual Flight Review. (Every two years with a CFI) > > Do not archive > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "womenfly2" <Love2Fly.KAP@gmail.com> > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 9:34 AM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: what is a BFR Jack? > > >> >> >> >> -------- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376313#376313 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >


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    Time: 08:36:28 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: what is a BFR Jack?
    From: gboothe5@comcast.net
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    Time: 08:52:43 AM PST US
    Subject: RE: Insurance requirements
    From: woodflier@aol.com
    Gary, I insured 629ML through AUA Insurance in Birmingham, AL. I have anoth er airplane with them so I did get a good rate, but there was no time-in-type requirement. They d id want to know total tailwheel time, since the other airplane they insure is a nose dragger. But they did insure it for the first flight onward. One tip to cut insurance cost, since you can't carry passengers 40 hours, y ou can opt to delete any coverage for passenger liability or injury until you've flown off your time . Saves a few bucks. My policy allowed me to add that coverage after the test period. Also, I opted for hull coverage for not-in-motion only. Protects it if the hangar burns, or it gets damaged tied down but not while taxiing or flying. That was pretty cheap comparatively. And like Kevi n said, the more time you have in the airplane, the lower the rate will be if you want to add full coverage l ater on. Matt Paxton On Jun 21, 2012, at 2:19 PM, gboothe5@comcast.net wrote: > > Assuming that it is near impossible to find a CFI who can/will climb into the front cockpit, how are others getting thru the requirement of 5 hrs dual in make and model for liability insurance? > > Gary from Cool


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    Time: 09:01:30 AM PST US
    From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
    Subject: RE: Insurance requirements
    Thanks, Matt.good thoughts. I have reminded them that I will have a 40hr solo fly-off period. I hope they are willing to negotiate! Gary Boothe NX308MB Do not archive From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of woodflier@aol.com Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 8:52 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: RE: Insurance requirements Gary, I insured 629ML through AUA Insurance in Birmingham, AL. I have another airplane with them so I did get a good rate, but there was no time-in-type requirement. They did want to know total tailwheel time, since the other airplane they insure is a nose dragger. But they did insure it for the first flight onward. One tip to cut insurance cost, since you can't carry passengers 40 hours, you can opt to delete any coverage for passenger liability or injury until you've flown off your time. Saves a few bucks. My policy allowed me to add that coverage after the test period. Also, I opted for hull coverage for not-in-motion only. Protects it if the hangar burns, or it gets damaged tied down but not while taxiing or flying. That was pretty cheap comparatively. And like Kevin said, the more time you have in the airplane, the lower the rate will be if you want to add full coverage later on. Matt Paxton On Jun 21, 2012, at 2:19 PM, gboothe5@comcast.net wrote: > > Assuming that it is near impossible to find a CFI who can/will climb into the front cockpit, how are others getting thru the requirement of 5 hrs dual in make and model for liability insurance? > > Gary from Cool


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    Time: 09:18:34 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: RE: Insurance requirements
    From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken@gmail.com>
    Gary, If you take up Scott's offer to fly with him, you could log the time as PIC hours -- assuming that you already have a tailwheel endorsement in your tattered logbook (and as long as he doesn't also log the hours as PIC time). Most insurance policies I've looked at for my Pacer have not imposed any dual time if the person to be insured met their minimum for hours as PIC in the same make and model. Cheers, Ken do not archive On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 10:00 AM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote: > Thanks, Mattgood thoughts. I have reminded them that I will have a 40hr > solo fly-off period. I hope they are willing to negotiate! > > > Gary Boothe > > NX308MB > > Do not archive > > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > woodflier@aol.com > Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 8:52 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: RE: Insurance requirements > > > Gary, I insured 629ML through AUA Insurance in Birmingham, AL. I have > another airplane with them > > so I did get a good rate, but there was no time-in-type requirement. They > did want to know total tailwheel > > time, since the other airplane they insure is a nose dragger. But they did > insure it for the first flight onward. > > One tip to cut insurance cost, since you can't carry passengers 40 hours, > you can opt to delete any > > coverage for passenger liability or injury until you've flown off your time. > Saves a few bucks. My policy > > allowed me to add that coverage after the test period. > > Also, I opted for hull coverage for not-in-motion only. Protects it if the > hangar burns, or it gets damaged tied down but not > > while taxiing or flying. That was pretty cheap comparatively. And like Kevin > said, the more time you have in > > the airplane, the lower the rate will be if you want to add full coverage > later on. > > > Matt Paxton > > > On Jun 21, 2012, at 2:19 PM, gboothe5@comcast.net wrote: > > >> > >> Assuming that it is near impossible to find a CFI who can/will climb into >> the > > front cockpit, how are others getting thru the requirement of 5 hrs dual in > make > > and model for liability insurance? > >> > >> Gary from Cool > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > > http://forums.matronics.com > > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > >


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    Time: 10:22:47 AM PST US
    From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: what is a BFR Jack?
    Biennial Flight Review (now just called a Flight Review by the FAA). Required every 24 calendar months in order to carry passengers. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe Blumberg Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 9:33 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: what is a BFR Jack? Hey Jack, What is the BFR you were referring to in your post about dual?? Douwe


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    Time: 10:48:02 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: what's great about this whole Pietenpol thing
    From: "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson@centurylink.net>
    I totally agree Mike. You, Jack Phillips and Matt Paxton responded to my requests by email and offered up positive and practical tips and advice. They all sent me some pictures to drool over. Matt's was not finished at that point but I still drooled over his pictures too. I printed out a favorite from the three guys planes and clipped them to my plans out in the hangar. They are all faded now but served the purpose of keeping me oriented in the right direction. Now I am flying. NX510JD has a grand total of 5 hours now. do not archive -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 First flight June 16,2012 Started building July, 2009 21&quot; wheels Lycoming O-235 C2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376357#376357


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    Time: 11:44:51 AM PST US
    From: shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: WACO Fly-In Ohio(Free food)
    Guys, I was mistaken about the WACO fly-in, it is NOTAM'ed CLOSED.- I mis understood Mr Wynkoop, he gave ME permission so it might go over like a far t in church if one of you land there at the fly-in.- Ya'll are still welc ome to fly in here though for a bite to eat.- Sorry for the confusion, ju st don't want to invite someone into a violation if a fed would happen to b e around. - Ducking the rocks, - Shad


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    Time: 12:47:26 PM PST US
    From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: what's great about this whole Pietenpol thing
    Thanks for the kind words, Jerry. This is what Pietenpols are all about. I got help from Bill Rewey and Mike Cuy when I was building mine (as I'm packing to move to Smith Mountain Lake, VA, where my Pietenpol has been based for the last 2 years, I found a picture of Mike Cuy's Pietenpol stuck to the basement wall, where it was posted as inspiration while I built mine). Glad I could pass some of it along. Now it's your turn, as the proud BUILDER and owner of a Pietenpol to pass along your knowledge and experience to new builders Back in the good old days when AvWeb had real writers working for them, Matt Paxton wrote a series of articles about the odyssey he was undergoing, building his Pietenpol. He entitled the series "Wooden it be Lovely". For thos of you who have joined the Pietenpol group in the last few years, you might enjoy going through their archives and reading Matt's articles. Here are links to the ones I've found: Part One: http://www.avweb.com/news/homeblts/182611-1.html Part Two: http://www.avweb.com/news/homeblts/182612-1.html Part Three: http://www.avweb.com/news/homeblts/182613-1.html?type=pf Part Four: http://www.avweb.com/news/homeblts/181622-1.html Part Five: http://www.avweb.com/news/homeblts/183301-1.html As far as I know, Part Five was the last part published. After that, AvWeb decided that they needed to focus on other forms of aviation, and dropped all their free-lance writers, to the detriment of the publication. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Dotson Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 1:48 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: what's great about this whole Pietenpol thing --> <jdotson@centurylink.net> I totally agree Mike. You, Jack Phillips and Matt Paxton responded to my requests by email and offered up positive and practical tips and advice. They all sent me some pictures to drool over. Matt's was not finished at that point but I still drooled over his pictures too. I printed out a favorite from the three guys planes and clipped them to my plans out in the hangar. They are all faded now but served the purpose of keeping me oriented in the right direction. Now I am flying. NX510JD has a grand total of 5 hours now. do not archive -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 First flight June 16,2012 Started building July, 2009 21&quot; wheels Lycoming O-235 C2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376357#376357


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    Time: 01:02:39 PM PST US
    From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
    Subject: Re: what's great about this whole Pietenpol thing
    I thank you as well Jerry for the kind words and I'm sure now you're going to pass the torch of whatever knowledge you have to the next batch of Pietenpo l builders. After going thru this whole process you realize that you've not just built an airplane but lasting relationships with some good people. You gravitate t o the other builders approach their project and think along the same lines as you do and in my case I could tell right away that Jack Phillips was on the same t rack as I was so we would compare notes off list to help each other and eventual ly we flew formation together in 2005 from Cleveland to Brodhead arriving as a fl ight of two overhead and then circled to land for Jack's first appearance at Bro dhead. You can't beat that for capping off of project well done with the help of s ome solid, fun, and enjoyable people. For those of you who are attending Brodhead for the first time next month, Doc and Dee Mosher do a fantastic job helping this event to happen and when you register you'll get a name tag to wear. Some of the best things about this list are when you get to put that name tag and face together and shake that hand of someo ne on the list you've been reading and responding to for months, in some cases ye ars. There are a few MUST-meet people on this list...and I'm really blessed to b e friends with many of them. Mike C.


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    Time: 02:31:29 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: what's great about this whole Pietenpol thing
    From: "pineymb" <airltd@mts.net>
    Very well said Mike...nothing could be closer to the truth. As you say, really looking forward to putting faces to some of the people on the list who live and breath aviation. -------- Adrian M Winnipeg, MB Canada Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376378#376378


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    Time: 04:16:07 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: what's great about this whole Pietenpol thing
    From: "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson@centurylink.net>
    Yes Jack. I was trying to find Piet builders back then and did searches and found Matt Paxton's articles. I managed to get Matt's email address and he spilled the beans on you and Mike. Thanks a bunch. So blame Matt! It is getting late and I gotta go fly ................ do not archive -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 First flight June 16,2012 Started building July, 2009 21&quot; wheels Lycoming O-235 C2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376386#376386


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    Time: 08:26:28 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: what's great about this whole Pietenpol thing
    From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
    Frank Pavliga took me flying in 1994. Got to fly in Howard Henderson's plane that year as well, along with a couple of others who I don't remember, unfortunately. Howard corresponded with me. Don Pietenpol always answered letters. John Greenlee served as a mentor and demonstrated a very high standard with his beautiful airplane. He built my first lift struts. I admired Jimmy Dean's airplane from afar, and got to visit it in person earlier this year. Frank's dad, and then Grand MacLaren, did great work with the newsletters, since carried on by Doc & Dee. More recently: Chris Tracy (blessings on his head) provided more help with westcoastpiet than I can ever repay him for. Don Emch and Frank Pavliga gave me a paint scheme. Jack Phillips is my technical counselor (and friend, of course). The Sainted Gary Boothe built my second set of lift struts, and has built a stunning airplane. Can't wait to see him fly. Ryan, Dan & Gene were particularly helpful after I earned my nickname in 2010. Lots and lots of people helped after that event, actually. We are blessed to have our community. See you at Brodhead. do not archive -------- Kevin &quot;Axel&quot; Purtee NX899KP Austin/San Marcos, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376397#376397




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