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1. 03:44 AM - Re: NX7229R Flies again! (Jack@textors.com)
2. 03:51 AM - 1929 (Douwe Blumberg)
3. 07:12 AM - Re: 1929 (Amsafetyc)
4. 08:39 AM - Re: Re: what is a BFR Jack? (Amsafetyc)
5. 11:08 AM - 1 piece vs. 3 piece wing weight? (FandS_Piet)
6. 11:28 AM - Re: 1 piece vs. 3 piece wing weight? (Gary Boothe)
7. 11:51 AM - Re: Camera Mounts (BYD)
8. 12:06 PM - Re: 1 piece vs. 3 piece wing weight? (Jack Phillips)
9. 12:34 PM - Re: 1 piece vs. 3 piece wing weight? (kevinpurtee)
10. 01:19 PM - Next time... (tools)
11. 03:53 PM - Re: 1 piece vs. 3 piece wing weight? (Don Emch)
12. 04:45 PM - Re: 1 piece vs. 3 piece wing weight? (Amsafetyc)
13. 05:46 PM - Re: 1 piece vs. 3 piece wing weight? (FandS_Piet)
14. 07:11 PM - Re: NX7229R Flies again! (Jerry Dotson)
15. 07:24 PM - Re: 1929,1932,1934... (purist alert!!) (K5YAC)
16. 07:25 PM - Re: 1 piece vs. 3 piece wing weight? (Jerry Dotson)
17. 09:38 PM - Re: Re: NX7229R Flies again! (Andrew Eldredge)
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Subject: | Re: NX7229R Flies again! |
Andrew that is great news, congratulations!
Do not archive
Jack Textor
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On Jun 23, 2012, at 9:43 PM, Andrew Eldredge <andrew.eldredge@gmail.com> wro
te:
> After major repairs to the fuselage, NX7229R put .75 hours on the Tach to
day. Annual was signed Thursday morning. Today, three high speed runs down
the runway, she wanted to fly, but I only lifted the tail. Stopped to see i
f anythin in the controls had shifted. Called in a ground crew next and com
mitted to the air for a lap around the patch. That worked out so nicely tha
t I had to do it again....
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> Andrew Eldredge
> Provo, UT
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Well, that didn't turn out to be much of a horse beatin'. Was almost
painless!
Almost everyone agrees, so 1929 it is, plus I've always liked the earlier
date.
JOHN, when is the big unveiling event going to take place??
CONGRATS Andrew!! Send pics and post a video!!
Prepping sheet metal today, spraying early this week, then twiddly stuff and
reassembly??
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Have not decided yet on reveal, to be announced!
John
Do not archive, too many dead horses buried there, and not
enough room for another.
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On Jun 24, 2012, at 6:54 AM, "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.net> w
rote:
> Well, that didn=99t turn out to be much of a horse beatin=99.
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> Almost everyone agrees, so 1929 it is, plus I=99ve always liked the e
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> JOHN, when is the big unveiling event going to take place??
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> CONGRATS Andrew!! Send pics and post a video!!
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> Prepping sheet metal today, spraying early this week, then twiddly stuff a
nd reassembly??
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Subject: | Re: what is a BFR Jack? |
Big freakin rat! I got that one right, huh?
Do not archive no room for bfrs either
John
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On Jun 22, 2012, at 11:35 AM, gboothe5@comcast.net wrote:
> Dual...duel...hmmmm, so much to think about this morning...
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> Gary
> Do not archive
> Sent on the Sprint=C2=AE Now Network from my BlackBerry=C2=AE
> From: Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
> Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 08:20:43 -0700
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Subject: | 1 piece vs. 3 piece wing weight? |
So I have been pondering about a building a 1 or 3 piece wing. Without ranting
about the advantages and disadvantages that we all know about it seems to me like
the 1 piece is a no brainer IF you have the space. Tony Bingelis says that
says that the 1 piece is 30-50 lbs lighter and saves you about 100 hours in
building time. Both of which are substantial numbers with weight savings being
far more than important to me than time.
My question is to those with flying Piets have you weighed your completed wing?
I understand there are variables such as fuel tank or no fuel tank, stainless
or aluminum ect...
Thanks,
Fred Kim
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Subject: | 1 piece vs. 3 piece wing weight? |
Fred,
Good luck with your decision. Mine is 3 piece by necessity. One very real
benefit for me was that, except for hanging the wings for W&B, I have been
able to lift, turn, hoist (hundreds...thousands...of times) all by myself.
If you have built-in help, more power to you!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of FandS_Piet
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 11:08 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: 1 piece vs. 3 piece wing weight?
So I have been pondering about a building a 1 or 3 piece wing. Without
ranting about the advantages and disadvantages that we all know about it
seems to me like the 1 piece is a no brainer IF you have the space. Tony
Bingelis says that says that the 1 piece is 30-50 lbs lighter and saves you
about 100 hours in building time. Both of which are substantial numbers with
weight savings being far more than important to me than time.
My question is to those with flying Piets have you weighed your completed
wing? I understand there are variables such as fuel tank or no fuel tank,
stainless or aluminum ect...
Thanks,
Fred Kim
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Subject: | Re: Camera Mounts |
I enjoy watching and creating videos and I contemplated this question as I built
my previous homebuilt and the Piet. The problem is that flying videos for fun
are artistic in nature so predetermined locations are difficult to choose.
If you wanted to document a particular surface or perhaps the action of the suspension
during landing then selecting a particular vantage point is easier,
but unless your working to a predetermined storyboard or script, knowing or predicting
what locations will be perfect is much more difficult.
Choosing common locations and views would seem simple but they almost always need
tweaking and youll probably end up fabricating a bracket to get that perfect
angle anyway. Fortunately, there are a lot of exposed fasteners on a Piet where
a custom bracket can be temporarily installed to get the shot your after.
If you know of a view youre going to want to watch on many flights, then by all
means install a mounting feature during construction (maybe views from other
peoples videos youve enjoyed a lot) would be great, but without that prior knowledge,
youd have to add an awful lot of mounts to cover all the good views.
Sidenote: Ive been using this small wing-camera for model airplanes to document
my break-in on the Model-A and have been impressed for the quality vs price.
Its all self contained with battery and memory on board. I may buy more to cover
multiple locations once I start flight-testing. There is a bit of fisheye
to its recordings however.
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DO NOT ARCHIVE
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Subject: | 1 piece vs. 3 piece wing weight? |
Fred,
I don't know about Tony Bingelis making ANY claims about the Pietenpol. He
never built one. I can say that I seriously doubt any claim of the
one-piece wing being 30-50 lbs lighter than the 3-piece. I would believe
10-15 lbs, but no more than that.
Counter to the weight argument is the fact that the one piece wing is rather
fragile until completed and mounted on the airplane. While I built the
3-piece wing myself (even though I had plenty of room to do a one-piece), I
have helped Gene Rambo work on his one-piece wing and it is extremely
difficult to turn that wing over, even with two people. You really need a
third person to support the wing in the middle as you flip it over. Think
about how many times you will need to turn that wing over as you build,
cover and paint it. Then think about how you are going to transport it to
the airport once built. And if, like me, you are unfortunate enough to make
a forced landing and need to move the airplane from the crash site by truck,
a one-piece wing will again cause more problems.
I did a lot of things on my Pietenpol that I would change if I were to build
another, but I would keep the 3-piece wing.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of FandS_Piet
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 2:08 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: 1 piece vs. 3 piece wing weight?
So I have been pondering about a building a 1 or 3 piece wing. Without
ranting about the advantages and disadvantages that we all know about it
seems to me like the 1 piece is a no brainer IF you have the space. Tony
Bingelis says that says that the 1 piece is 30-50 lbs lighter and saves you
about 100 hours in building time. Both of which are substantial numbers with
weight savings being far more than important to me than time.
My question is to those with flying Piets have you weighed your completed
wing? I understand there are variables such as fuel tank or no fuel tank,
stainless or aluminum ect...
Thanks,
Fred Kim
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Subject: | Re: 1 piece vs. 3 piece wing weight? |
I have the one piece and, while it was probably less complex to build, it was a
pain in the butt to handle. I was stranded on more than one occasion looking
for help to flip it. As Jack says, if I land out and have to recover the aircraft
by truck the one piece wing will be a challenge.
Regarding weight savings: I believe most of my corvair brothers have built the
three piece and and the corvair powered piets are all about the same weight.
I'll built a 3 piece wing next time.
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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Just noticed something kind of interesting in the 3 piece wing thread. That was
Kevin's statement about building a three piece wing "next time".
Dick N is on his third. I own one and am building. I knew a guy in San Diego
who built one, then bought one. Who else has built or owned more than one? Is
it more common in the Piet genre to build or own multiples?
Also, Piets seem to be built in multiples by groups, as well as multiples building
one (as in EAA chapters). I'm sure the RV series has a bunch of this, by
nature of the popularity.
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Subject: | Re: 1 piece vs. 3 piece wing weight? |
Hey Fred,
I really like the benefits of a one piece wing. Lighter and less to build. Although
I can't imagine it's much lighter than a few pounds. But having built/rebuilt/covered
several wings I honestly can't imagine dealing with such a large
panel. I'm glad I built the three piece. Someday when I finish the Piet my
dad started it'll have the three piece, even if I have the space.
By the way... are you Jr. or Sr.?
Don Emch
NX899DE
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Subject: | Re: 1 piece vs. 3 piece wing weight? |
Fred,
I am still in build mode but beyond the wing part. I built the fuse, wings and
tail surfaces in a basement area that was maybe 18 feet wide at the widest and
10 feet at the narrowest and 24 long at its longest, so rather a small space.
Building the 3 piece was a necessary exercise in spacial logistics manipulation.
Yet most of the time I was able to hang and move the panels by my self. The
night I did my first trial fit I had help on one side the other I hung myself
a bit of an adventure but do able none the less.
I am happy to have built the 3 piece rather than trying to move and manipulate
the length and bulk of the single wing.
I hope this helps in your decision making process. Btw I have no scarf joints
in my spars, just hardware connectors to the center section.
John
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On Jun 24, 2012, at 2:07 PM, "FandS_Piet" <fkim79@gmail.com> wrote:
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> So I have been pondering about a building a 1 or 3 piece wing. Without ranting
about the advantages and disadvantages that we all know about it seems to me
like the 1 piece is a no brainer IF you have the space. Tony Bingelis says
that says that the 1 piece is 30-50 lbs lighter and saves you about 100 hours
in building time. Both of which are substantial numbers with weight savings being
far more than important to me than time.
> My question is to those with flying Piets have you weighed your completed wing?
I understand there are variables such as fuel tank or no fuel tank, stainless
or aluminum ect...
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> Thanks,
> Fred Kim
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Subject: | Re: 1 piece vs. 3 piece wing weight? |
Hey Don,
This is Jr. Did you end up making it to Beach City? We ended up not going because
of weather. We stuck around and did some local flying. I wanted to ask if
you installed a trim tab on your airplane being that you installed a header
tank and its forward of the CG? If not how is it while flying and do you think
it would be worth installing.
I myself found it hard to believe 30-50 lbs when I read that. If that was the
case I think most probably would have opted to build the one piece wing.
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Fred Kim
Pittsburgh, Pa
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Subject: | Re: NX7229R Flies again! |
Great Andrew. If I remember you had carb problems. What was the problem? So proud
you got her back in the air.
do not archive
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
First flight June 16,2012
Started building July, 2009
21" wheels
Lycoming O-235 C2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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Subject: | Re: 1929,1932,1934... (purist alert!!) |
Guess I better reserve 59BP...
So then, what is the correct answer to the original question? Regardless of engine,
instrumentation, type of covering or paint blend, when was the first true
Air Camper flown?
Doesn't really matter much to me... I'll continue to tell people that the airplane
I'm building is based on a 1929 design... is that correct, or we need to keep
our horse beaters handy?
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear
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Subject: | Re: 1 piece vs. 3 piece wing weight? |
I built the 1 piece wing just to avoid having the wing root fairings. I would NEVER
do it again. Turning it was such a hassle. I used 4 people + to do it. Now
that it is done I love it.
do not archive
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
First flight June 16,2012
Started building July, 2009
21" wheels
Lycoming O-235 C2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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Subject: | Re: NX7229R Flies again! |
I suspect the carb problems were due to sitting around dry for a while. A
few persuasive taps around the bowl and the carb problems have been gone
without a trace.
Andrew Eldredge
Provo, UT
On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 8:10 PM, Jerry Dotson <jdotson@centurylink.net>wrote:
> jdotson@centurylink.net>
>
> Great Andrew. If I remember you had carb problems. What was the problem?
> So proud you got her back in the air.
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> do not archive
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> Jerry Dotson
> 59 Daniel Johnson Rd
> Baker, FL 32531
>
> First flight June 16,2012
> Started building July, 2009
> 21" wheels
> Lycoming O-235 C2C
> Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376526#376526
>
>
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