---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 07/01/12: 33 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:26 AM - Re: gap seals (Greg Cardinal) 2. 04:28 AM - Re: gap seals (helspersew@aol.com) 3. 04:53 AM - Re: Re:Pietenpol fly In at Brodhead (Amsafetyc) 4. 05:48 AM - Plywood repairs () 5. 06:40 AM - Re: Plywood repairs (dgaldrich) 6. 07:46 AM - Re: Plywood repairs (Jack Phillips) 7. 07:56 AM - Re: gap seals (echobravo4) 8. 08:34 AM - Re: Re: gap seals (Jack@textors.com) 9. 09:16 AM - Re: Pietenpol fly In at Brodhead (Bill Church) 10. 09:19 AM - Re: Re: Pietenpol fly In at Brodhead (Amsafetyc) 11. 11:14 AM - Re: Re: gap seals (helspersew@aol.com) 12. 11:32 AM - Re: Pietenpol fly In at Brodhead (tools) 13. 11:35 AM - Re: Plywood repairs (tools) 14. 11:42 AM - Re: Re: Pietenpol fly In at Brodhead (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 15. 12:55 PM - Re: gap seals (Dan Yocum) 16. 01:01 PM - Re: Re: gap seals (Dan Yocum) 17. 01:13 PM - Re: Re: Pietenpol fly In at Brodhead (Dan Yocum) 18. 02:13 PM - Re: Pietenpol fly In at Brodhead (tools) 19. 02:41 PM - Re: gap seals (tools) 20. 02:53 PM - Re: Re: gap seals (helspersew@aol.com) 21. 03:14 PM - Re: Re: gap seals (gboothe5@comcast.net) 22. 04:02 PM - Re: Re: gap seals (helspersew@aol.com) 23. 04:19 PM - Re: Re: gap seals (Gary Boothe) 24. 05:03 PM - Re: Pietenpol fly In at Brodhead (K5YAC) 25. 05:22 PM - Re: Bill's taxiing!! (taildrags) 26. 06:44 PM - Re: gap seals (tools) 27. 07:04 PM - Re: Re: Pietenpol fly In at Brodhead (Ryan Mueller) 28. 09:09 PM - Can someone explain why... (Mark Roberts) 29. 09:38 PM - Re: gap seals (Billy McCaskill) 30. 09:50 PM - Re: Plywood repairs (Billy McCaskill) 31. 09:57 PM - Re: Can someone explain why... (Billy McCaskill) 32. 11:04 PM - Official Pietenpol-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle) 33. 11:14 PM - Official Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:26:22 AM PST US From: "Greg Cardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: gap seals Piano hinge on the ailerons, no gap seals on the tail. Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: Douwe Blumberg To: pietenpolgroup Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 11:30 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: gap seals Hey all, Need to do the gap seals on the tail and ailerons. Wanted to hear what people did that worked. The first time around I used nylon self-adhesive rip stop tape in an upside down "U". Have read about carpet tape. Has anyone used foam weatherstripping?? Douwe ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:28:17 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: gap seals From: helspersew@aol.com Ditto. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: Greg Cardinal Sent: Sun, Jul 1, 2012 5:26 am Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: gap seals Piano hinge on the ailerons, no gap seals on the tail. Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: Douwe Blumberg Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 11:30 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: gap seals Hey all, Need to do the gap seals on the tail and ailerons. Wanted to hear what p eople did that worked. The first time around I used nylon self-adhesive rip stop tape in an upside down =C2=93U=C2=94. Have read about carpet ta pe. Has anyone used foam weatherstripping?? Douwe href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matro nics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:53:17 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: re:Pietenpol fly In at Brodhead From: Amsafetyc Steve, My 7 year old grandson has the same one with a bunch of spare parts, due to his lack of experience and training, he goes through a lot of parts. The good news is with such little flight time he is building a love of aviation which is my intent and should be the intent of all aviators or the young eagles program is a useless endeavor. He, like your grandson is the future of aviation, he will be attending Brodhead this year for the first time and camping his first time also. As with most children they tire quickly of any one activity and move from excited to bored especially when faced with being exposed to old codgers who have a single ambition and a one track mind. We are either interested or we are not, as adults , however then building and protection of aviation with our youth should be of paramount interest of every aviator, builder attendee and grumpy old codger. Brodhead holds something special for all of us attending and or interested in aviation. Why shouldn't we strive to make this a special event for the children too? Like it or not, they are the future. Griping and grumping them out because they don't exactly fit the mold is narrow minded. I mean that in the nicest possible way, I was conducting a survey on behalf of the children, not inviting criticism, commentary or the specific regulations or narrow minded opinions of grumpy old men. If this is truly a family event, than maybe it should be open to catering to the entire family, young and old, aviator and spectator, builders and non, rather than the typical good old boy exclusive club. The survey had 3 possible answers: yes, no and possibly. Answers to which no one provided, amazing just amazing! John Do not archive Sent from my iPhone On Jun 30, 2012, at 6:37 PM, "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" wrote: > > As I read this post, the good idea fairy settled on my shoulder and said, "Can't we all just get along?" > > Rather than simply ban RC aircraft. Give them a place to do their thing. Some have some neat Pietenpol RC planes. If there is a small grass area on the back side or away from the runway and pattern, perhaps a small RC field could be set up. Have an RC airboss, who keeps people in the right area and let kids fly some small backyard flyers. Perhaps a line of trees between the real plane runway and the RC area. I have been at airshows (more control to be sure) where the RC guys flew between each act. At Oshkosh they even have a Ultralight area. See if anyone will provide some simple RC aircraft for kids to fly. > > I have little interest in RC except just to play around. I don't build planes, talk electronics, and so forth. However, I am using RC to keep my 10 YO grandson interested in flying. He has one of these with a couple of spare parts. > http://secure.hobbyzone.com/catalog/hz/HBZ4900.html > It is simple and fun to fly. > > Blue Skies, > Steve D > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ryan Mueller > Date: Friday, June 29, 2012 18:04 > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: re:Pietenpol fly In at Brodhead > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > >> Well put P.F..... >> >> There are people milling about, near the airplanes and back and forth >> across the field....real airplanes on the ground (static, and taxiing >> around), in the air....not exactly a safe, proper environment to be >> flyingRC stuff. >> >> Additionally, Joe Smith may be a very competent RC pilot who can >> skillfullycontrol his airplane; but if he gets to fly, so does Joe >> Schmuckatelli, who >> thinks he is a hotshot pilot but is not. So when he loses control >> and slams >> his Ugly Stik into an airplane, a building, people.....things would >> getugly real fast. :) >> >> Real airplanes for real airplane fly-ins, RC airplanes for RC airplane >> fly-ins. >> >> Ryan >> >> On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Barnwell Regional Airport wrote: >> >>> ** >>> >>> We, all Pietenpol enthusiasts, builders, flyers, visitors, etc., are >>> guests of EAA Chapter 431, who own the airport. As guests, we should always >>> be thankful the chapter allows the Pietenpol Association to have the Fly In >>> every year. >>> >>> In all the years I've been attending,I don't recall any model airplanes >>> being flown during the Fly In. >>> >>> Model airplanes may be an individuals passion, but the vast majority who >>> attend every year come to see our Pietenpol friends, admire their airplane, >>> enjoy the camaraderie and go away having had an enjoyable time. We do not >>> go to see model airplanes. >>> >>> look forward to seeing you all at Brodhead >>> >>> P. F. Beck >>> Barnwell, S. C. >>> >>> ps.... when you pick up your name tags, please give Dee and Doc a big >>> thank you for all they do in putting out an excellent newsletter >>> >>> * >>> >>> * >>> >>> > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:48:43 AM PST US From: Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plywood repairs What is the best way to repair cracked plywood? I accidentally stepped on some thin plywood covered with fabric and heard it crack (it isn't on a Piet) and was hoping someone can tell me the best way to repair it. I know I will need to cut away the fabric over the area and cut out the cracked area but I'm not sure how to go about repairing the area. Rodney ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:40:57 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plywood repairs From: "dgaldrich" AC 43-13 (available as a download FREE from FAA.gov) has info on fixing/replacing almost any part of older GA aircraft. There is a section specifically on plywood repair and that would be the place to start. 43-13 is used to repair certified aircraft when manufacturer's data is unavailable and is an excellent reference for experimentals if having an airworthy repair is the goal. Dave Aldrich do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376967#376967 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:46:41 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Plywood repairs AC 43.13 (formerly CAM 18) is THE BIBLE for aircraft repairs. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of r.r.hall@cox.net Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2012 8:48 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plywood repairs What is the best way to repair cracked plywood? I accidentally stepped on some thin plywood covered with fabric and heard it crack (it isn't on a Piet) and was hoping someone can tell me the best way to repair it. I know I will need to cut away the fabric over the area and cut out the cracked area but I'm not sure how to go about repairing the area. Rodney ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:56:10 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: gap seals From: "echobravo4" I'm adding rounded balsa leading edges to the rudder and elevators- won't totally seal the gap but will make it much smaller -------- Earl Brown I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I intended to be. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376981#376981 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:34:54 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: gap seals From: "Jack@textors.com" Earl I have considered that same idea... Do not archive Jack Textor Sent from my iPad On Jul 1, 2012, at 9:55 AM, "echobravo4" wrote: > > I'm adding rounded balsa leading edges to the rudder and elevators- > won't totally seal the gap but will make it much smaller > > -------- > Earl Brown > > I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I intended to be. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376981#376981 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:16:06 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol fly In at Brodhead From: "Bill Church" Okay, John, here's your first response that falls within your three acceptable answers: Is anyone bringing or considering bringing and flying RC aircraft at Brodhead? "No." Having said that, most of the responses indicated reasons why it probably wouldn't be a good idea. I would interpret those responses as "No" as well. One thing I know for sure, is that when I finally manage to complete my Piet, and fly it all the way to Brodhead, I would be more than a little peeved if it were to be damaged by an errant model aircraft smashing into it. I can understand someone bringing a model Pietenpol to the event, just for display. But actually flying model aircraft at an active airport loaded with antique and handcrafted aircraft, that's another story. Doesn't seem like a good idea to me. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376987#376987 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:19:11 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol fly In at Brodhead From: Amsafetyc Thanks Bill Sent from my iPhone On Jul 1, 2012, at 12:15 PM, "Bill Church" wrote: > > Okay, John, here's your first response that falls within your three acceptable answers: > > Is anyone bringing or considering bringing and flying RC aircraft at Brodhead? > > "No." > > Having said that, most of the responses indicated reasons why it probably wouldn't be a good idea. I would interpret those responses as "No" as well. > One thing I know for sure, is that when I finally manage to complete my Piet, and fly it all the way to Brodhead, I would be more than a little peeved if it were to be damaged by an errant model aircraft smashing into it. I can understand someone bringing a model Pietenpol to the event, just for display. But actually flying model aircraft at an active airport loaded with antique and handcrafted aircraft, that's another story. Doesn't seem like a good idea to me. > > > Bill C. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376987#376987 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:14:05 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: gap seals From: helspersew@aol.com Question to the group: How critical is it, and what is the improvement to performance if the eleva tor gaps are sealed? Dan Helsper Puryear, TN no elevator gap seals -----Original Message----- From: echobravo4 Sent: Sun, Jul 1, 2012 9:56 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: gap seals I'm adding rounded balsa leading edges to the rudder and elevators- won't totally seal the gap but will make it much smaller -------- Earl Brown I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up whe re I intended to be. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376981#376981 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:32:56 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol fly In at Brodhead From: "tools" Hey John, If I can get all the parts there, I'd be happy to find a little corner somewhere (hell, even a baseball field in town if necessary) and get him on the handle of a control line model. It'll be different than anything he's done before. Something about the smell of castor oil and a "real" engine usually gets a kid going. I've taught hundreds of kids, and so has my son, so it'll be fun, easy and no stress. Give me a shout, 423 580 1383 when you're there! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376993#376993 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:35:13 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plywood repairs From: "tools" If you can put a thinner piece on each side of the crack, that would work. TEDIOUS but also good, remove the cracked area, taper the edges to 12 to one taper and scarf in a new piece. Need more info to be more specific. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376994#376994 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:42:48 AM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol fly In at Brodhead Great Idea, Thanks We arrive Thursday I expect am hours so I am sure we can find a location and kids that want to have a little fun along the way. After all, aviation is for those young at heart! Just in case My Cell is 215-208-8309 John Do not archive ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:55:50 PM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: gap seals The Piet Gar bought uses the foam weather stripping... -- Dan Yocum yocum137@gmail.com "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." On Jun 30, 2012, at 11:30 PM, "Douwe Blumberg" wrote: > Hey all, > > Need to do the gap seals on the tail and ailerons. Wanted to hear what pe ople did that worked. The first time around I used nylon self-adhesive rip s top tape in an upside down =9CU=9D. Have read about carpet tape . Has anyone used foam weatherstripping?? > > Douwe > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:01:28 PM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: gap seals N8031's behavior is much better with the gap seals on the elevator. I can li ft the tail in about 50' and it trims out much better in flight. I recommen d them. Dan -- Dan Yocum yocum137@gmail.com "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." On Jul 1, 2012, at 1:13 PM, helspersew@aol.com wrote: > Question to the group: > > How critical is it, and what is the improvement to performance if the elev ator gaps are sealed? > > Dan Helsper > Puryear, TN > > no elevator gap seals > -----Original Message----- > From: echobravo4 > To: pietenpol-list > Sent: Sun, Jul 1, 2012 9:56 am > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: gap seals > > > I'm adding rounded balsa leading edges to the rudder and elevators- > won't totally seal the gap but will make it much smaller > > -------- > Earl Brown > > I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up wh ere I > intended to be. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376981#376981 > > > > > > > > " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > tp://forums.matronics.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:13:25 PM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol fly In at Brodhead I'm kosher with the 20g (less than an oz.) Parkflyer RCs for late evening flying. Anything bigger and I'll get real nervous with them near my plane. Brodhead isn't really set up for big RC flyers - hangars and Hatz's are at the south end of the field, Piets are at the north. Taxiing a/c in between... -- Dan Yocum yocum137@gmail.com "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." On Jul 1, 2012, at 11:15 AM, "Bill Church" wrote: > > Okay, John, here's your first response that falls within your three acceptable answers: > > Is anyone bringing or considering bringing and flying RC aircraft at Brodhead? > > "No." > > Having said that, most of the responses indicated reasons why it probably wouldn't be a good idea. I would interpret those responses as "No" as well. > One thing I know for sure, is that when I finally manage to complete my Piet, and fly it all the way to Brodhead, I would be more than a little peeved if it were to be damaged by an errant model aircraft smashing into it. I can understand someone bringing a model Pietenpol to the event, just for display. But actually flying model aircraft at an active airport loaded with antique and handcrafted aircraft, that's another story. Doesn't seem like a good idea to me. > > > Bill C. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376987#376987 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 02:13:07 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol fly In at Brodhead From: "tools" Wow... for the umteenth time CONTROL LINE, u/c, two sixty foot STEEL cables hooking my model to me, WITH a safety strap (only been flying radio control planes for 39 years, find control line more my style). I won't be ANYWHERE NEAR someone's precious plane. More than 60' and you're good. AND, as I mentioned, should it seem ANYWHERE near unsafe, I'll find a park, or cornfield, or somewhere someone won't complain or feel threatened and I'll check with all regulatory authorities. I find it hard to believe there aren't formal check rides to fly at this event... I generally don't fly with people who aren't specifically checked out by qualified airmen and federal inspectors in the genre I'm flying... There isn't a lot going on, on Thurs, or at least there wasn't last year. Should be a great time. I should also have a regular car should we need to travel somewhere off site. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=377004#377004 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 02:41:20 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: gap seals From: "tools" Dan, My Piet came with tape on the elevator and was highly recommended by Dick who sold me the piet. They made it most the way home (three days, probably had been on there a while) then I lost them and havn't replaced them (though I will). It definitely was an improvement, but nothing like the ailerons. Mostly in the getting the tail up early and in the flare (much more authority and less of a crisis getting the stick in your lap in the flare kind of thing). Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=377007#377007 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 02:53:50 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: gap seals From: helspersew@aol.com OK, I am sold on the effectiveness of the elevator gap seals.................. .but how do I justify it? I continue to be hamstrung by this purist thing. I have rules. If I had some evidence that Bernerd used them at some point a long the way, or talked about them, or heck, even thought about using them, I would feel a whole lot better about the situation. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN PS: I wonder if the TC has elevator gap seals? -----Original Message----- From: tools Sent: Sun, Jul 1, 2012 4:41 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: gap seals Dan, My Piet came with tape on the elevator and was highly recommended by Dick w ho sold me the piet. They made it most the way home (three days, probably had been on there a wh ile) then I lost them and havn't replaced them (though I will). It definitely was an improvement, but nothing like the ailerons. Mostly in the getting the tail up early and in the flare (much more authority and less of a crisis getting the stick in your lap in the flare kind of thing). Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=377007#377007 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 03:14:22 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: gap seals From: gboothe5@comcast.net U2FtZSB3YXkgeW91IGp1c3RpZmllZCBjb250aW51b3VzIGFpbGVyb24gaGluZ2VzISBZb3Ugc2Vl IHdoYXQgYSBzbGlwcGVyeSBzbG9wZSB5b3UncmUgb24uLi4/IDstKQ0KDQpHYXJ5DQpEbyBub3Qg YXJjaGl2ZQ0KU2VudCBvbiB0aGUgU3ByaW50riBOb3cgTmV0d29yayBmcm9tIG15IEJsYWNrQmVy cnmuDQoNCi0tLS0tT3JpZ2luYWwgTWVzc2FnZS0tLS0tDQpGcm9tOiBoZWxzcGVyc2V3QGFvbC5j b20NClNlbmRlcjogb3duZXItcGlldGVucG9sLWxpc3Qtc2VydmVyQG1hdHJvbmljcy5jb20NCkRh dGU6IFN1biwgMSBKdWwgMjAxMiAxNzo1MzoyNiANClRvOiA8cGlldGVucG9sLWxpc3RAbWF0cm9u aWNzLmNvbT4NClJlcGx5LVRvOiBwaWV0ZW5wb2wtbGlzdEBtYXRyb25pY3MuY29tU3ViamVjdDog UmU6IFBpZXRlbnBvbC1MaXN0OiBSZTogZ2FwIHNlYWxzDQoNCg0KT0ssDQoNCiBJIGFtIHNvbGQg b24gdGhlIGVmZmVjdGl2ZW5lc3Mgb2YgdGhlIGVsZXZhdG9yIGdhcCBzZWFscy4uLi4uLi4uLi4u Li4uLi4uLi5idXQgaG93IGRvIEkganVzdGlmeSBpdD8gSSBjb250aW51ZSB0byBiZSBoYW1zdHJ1 bmcgYnkgdGhpcyBwdXJpc3QgdGhpbmcuIEkgaGF2ZSBydWxlcy4gSWYgSSBoYWQgc29tZSBldmlk ZW5jZSB0aGF0IEJlcm5lcmQgdXNlZCB0aGVtIGF0IHNvbWUgcG9pbnQgYWxvbmcgdGhlIHdheSwg b3IgdGFsa2VkIGFib3V0IHRoZW0sIG9yIGhlY2ssIGV2ZW4gdGhvdWdodCBhYm91dCB1c2luZyB0 aGVtLCBJIHdvdWxkIGZlZWwgYSB3aG9sZSBsb3QgYmV0dGVyIGFib3V0IHRoZSBzaXR1YXRpb24u DQoNCkRhbiBIZWxzcGVyDQpQdXJ5ZWFyLCBUTg0KDQpQUzogSSB3b25kZXIgaWYgdGhlIFRDIGhh cyBlbGV2YXRvciBnYXAgc2VhbHM/DQoNCg0KLS0tLS1PcmlnaW5hbCBNZXNzYWdlLS0tLS0NCkZy b206IHRvb2xzIDxuMGtrakB5YWhvby5jb20+DQpUbzogcGlldGVucG9sLWxpc3QgPHBpZXRlbnBv bC1saXN0QG1hdHJvbmljcy5jb20+DQpTZW50OiBTdW4sIEp1bCAxLCAyMDEyIDQ6NDEgcG0NClN1 YmplY3Q6IFBpZXRlbnBvbC1MaXN0OiBSZTogZ2FwIHNlYWxzDQoNCg0KLS0+IFBpZXRlbnBvbC1M aXN0IG1lc3NhZ2UgcG9zdGVkIGJ5OiAidG9vbHMiIDxuMGtrakB5YWhvby5jb20+DQoNCkRhbiwN Cg0KTXkgUGlldCBjYW1lIHdpdGggdGFwZSBvbiB0aGUgZWxldmF0b3IgYW5kIHdhcyBoaWdobHkg cmVjb21tZW5kZWQgYnkgRGljayB3aG8gDQpzb2xkIG1lIHRoZSBwaWV0Lg0KDQpUaGV5IG1hZGUg aXQgbW9zdCB0aGUgd2F5IGhvbWUgKHRocmVlIGRheXMsIHByb2JhYmx5IGhhZCBiZWVuIG9uIHRo ZXJlIGEgd2hpbGUpIA0KdGhlbiBJIGxvc3QgdGhlbSBhbmQgaGF2bid0IHJlcGxhY2VkIHRoZW0g KHRob3VnaCBJIHdpbGwpLg0KDQpJdCBkZWZpbml0ZWx5IHdhcyBhbiBpbXByb3ZlbWVudCwgYnV0 IG5vdGhpbmcgbGlrZSB0aGUgYWlsZXJvbnMuICBNb3N0bHkgaW4gdGhlIA0KZ2V0dGluZyB0aGUg dGFpbCB1cCBlYXJseSBhbmQgaW4gdGhlIGZsYXJlIChtdWNoIG1vcmUgYXV0aG9yaXR5IGFuZCBs ZXNzIG9mIGEgDQpjcmlzaXMgZ2V0dGluZyB0aGUgc3RpY2sgaW4geW91ciBsYXAgaW4gdGhlIGZs YXJlIGtpbmQgb2YgdGhpbmcpLg0KDQoNCg0KDQpSZWFkIHRoaXMgdG9waWMgb25saW5lIGhlcmU6 DQoNCmh0dHA6Ly9mb3J1bXMubWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbS92aWV3dG9waWMucGhwP3A9Mzc3MDA3IzM3 NzAwNw0KDQoNCg0KDQoNCg0KDQoNCg0KDQoNCiANCg0K ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 04:02:19 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: gap seals From: helspersew@aol.com ahhhh, you weren't supposed to mention that. do not archive -----Original Message----- From: gboothe5 Sent: Sun, Jul 1, 2012 5:14 pm Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: gap seals Same way you justified continuous aileron hinges! You see what a slippery s lope you're on...? ;-) Gary Do not archive Sent on the Sprint=C2=AE Now Network from my BlackBerry=C2=AE From: helspersew@aol.com Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: gap seals OK, I am sold on the effectiveness of the elevator gap seals...=............ ....but how do I justify it? I continue to be hamstrung by this= purist t hing. I have rules. If I had some evidence that Bernerd used =them at som e point along the way, or talked about them, or heck, even t=hought about using them, I would feel a whole lot better about the sit=uation. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN PS: I wonder if the TC has elevator gap seals? -----Original Message----- From: tools Sent: Sun, Jul 1, 2012 4:41 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: gap seals "tools" Dan, My Piet came with tape on the elevator and was highly recommended by Dick w ho sold me the piet. They made it most the way home (three days, probably had been on there a wh ile) then I lost them and havn't replaced them (though I will). It definitely was an improvement, but nothing like the ailerons. Mostly in the getting the tail up early and in the flare (much more authority and less of a crisis getting the stick in your lap in the flare kind of thing). Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=3D377007#377007< /a> " target=3D"_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D =C2=C2=B7=BA~=B0=C3=AD=C2=B2,=C3=9E=C3=99=C3=8A%=C2=A2=C3=93 M4=C3=91=C3=B6=C5=93x=C2=BA=C2=B8=C5=BE=C2=AEw=C2=B0r=B9=C2=AB =B0=C3 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 04:19:48 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: gap seals Oops, sorryI know they are camouflagedone would hardly notice Do not archive From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of helspersew@aol.com Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2012 4:02 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: gap seals ahhhh, you weren't supposed to mention that. do not archive -----Original Message----- From: gboothe5 Sent: Sun, Jul 1, 2012 5:14 pm Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: gap seals Same way you justified continuous aileron hinges! You see what a slippery slope you're on...? ;-) Gary Do not archive Sent on the Sprint=C2=AE Now Network from my BlackBerry=C2=AE _____ From: helspersew@aol.com Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: gap seals OK, I am sold on the effectiveness of the elevator gap seals...= ................but how do I justify it? I continue to be hamstrung by this= purist thing. I have rules. If I had some evidence that Bernerd used = them at some point along the way, or talked about them, or heck, even t= hought about using them, I would feel a whole lot better about the sit= uation. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN PS: I wonder if the TC has elevator gap seals? -----Original Message----- From: tools Sent: Sun, Jul 1, 2012 4:41 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: gap seals "tools" Dan, My Piet came with tape on the elevator and was highly recommended by Dick w ho sold me the piet. They made it most the way home (three days, probably had been on there a wh ile) then I lost them and havn't replaced them (though I will). It definitely was an improvement, but nothing like the ailerons. Mostly in the getting the tail up early and in the flare (much more authority and less of a crisis getting the stick in your lap in the flare kind of thing). Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=3D377007#377007 < /a> " target=3D"_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D =C2=C2=B7=BA~=B0=C3=AD=C2=B2,=C3=9E=C3=99=C3=8A%=C2=A2=C3=93 M4=C3=91=C3=B6=C5=93x=C2=BA=C2=B8=C5=BE=C2=AEw=C2=B0r=B9=C2=AB =B0=C3 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 05:03:05 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol fly In at Brodhead From: "K5YAC" The initial question was about R/C, and I still agree with Kevin... it would be appropriate to ask those that own/operate the field at a minimum. Also, it might ought to be published if these kind of activities are going to be conducted during the event... I'm sure that there are some that would side with Dan and not want to display their aircraft anywhere near this kind of stuff. I have an R/C airplane that will exceed 100mph... it's been clocked at 104... 60' is nothing. So, if it were going to be allowed, the guidelines would need to be made clear, as per Dan's recommendation. I to have been flying R/C for some time (started with a PT-20 in 1986), and my son is now also in the hobby. It is indeed a great hobby... along with model rocketry I credit the sport as what gave me the confidence to build an airplane, and it definitely has kept me interested in flying machines throughout my life. Having said that, I've always done what I could to demonstrate the positive side of the hobby... not everyone sees the sport as we do... as with anything else, people who don't know or understand the hobby as well as we might could view it as a nuisance, or worse if something bad were to happen. As with any sport or hobby, it is key to demonstrate good practices if we want to promote good will. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=377029#377029 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 05:22:44 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bill's taxiing!! From: "taildrags" Bee-you-tee-ful!!! And what a nice pocketa-pocketa sound! Yes indeed, that is one clean and original-looking Air Camper. Congratulations! One teeny caution: stay the heck away from tie-down ropes on the apron while taxiing around. I couldn't tell if those were ropes or just cracks in the tarmac, but if they were ropes- you don't want the prop to suck one up and suddenly the airplane is on its nose with a rope wrapped around the prop or crankshaft. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=377032#377032 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 06:44:42 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: gap seals From: "tools" Ok, that's cool and we understand... SOOOO... consider other 1929 airplanes. The travel air 3000 the eaa owns and operates uses a cool and simple strap hinge design that is not only vintage to the period, but nearly gap free, probably enough so that it would be considered sealed. That same design is used on the 1919 J-1 as well. It's a neat way to seal, would also look really good on a Piet. The bad news, you'd essentially have to build a new horiz stab and elevators. I can get some good pics if this appeals. Of course, there's a thousand other ways. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=377040#377040 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 07:04:41 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol fly In at Brodhead From: Ryan Mueller Unfortunately the late evening flying hours have been reserved for full scale airplanes. :-) do not archive On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 3:13 PM, Dan Yocum wrote: > > I'm kosher with the 20g (less than an oz.) Parkflyer RCs for late evening > flying. Anything bigger and I'll get real nervous with them near my plane. > > Brodhead isn't really set up for big RC flyers - hangars and Hatz's are at > the south end of the field, Piets are at the north. Taxiing a/c in > between... > > > -- > Dan Yocum > yocum137@gmail.com > "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." > > On Jul 1, 2012, at 11:15 AM, "Bill Church" wrote: > > billspiet@sympatico.ca> > > > > Okay, John, here's your first response that falls within your three > acceptable answers: > > > > Is anyone bringing or considering bringing and flying RC aircraft at > Brodhead? > > > > "No." > > > > Having said that, most of the responses indicated reasons why it > probably wouldn't be a good idea. I would interpret those responses as > "No" as well. > > One thing I know for sure, is that when I finally manage to complete my > Piet, and fly it all the way to Brodhead, I would be more than a little > peeved if it were to be damaged by an errant model aircraft smashing into > it. I can understand someone bringing a model Pietenpol to the event, just > for display. But actually flying model aircraft at an active airport loaded > with antique and handcrafted aircraft, that's another story. Doesn't seem > like a good idea to me. > > > > > > Bill C. > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=376987#376987 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 09:09:28 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Can someone explain why... From: "Mark Roberts" Why standing on my feet on a hard concrete floor for 2 "8 hour" days building a Piet makes me tired, but if I had to do the same thing for "work" I'd be exhausted? Got the Pilot seat framed up (ala Mike Cuy style seat with removable bottom and folding/removable seat back), and almost finished the front seat too. Loved every minute of it, but if you called it work and paid me for it, ...well, would it still be work? :-) Lovin' life! Gary, you flying yet? :-) Mark -------- do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=377056#377056 ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 09:38:20 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: gap seals From: "Billy McCaskill" Dan H., I think you might have to go back and add some official 1929 style hardware store gate hinges to your ailerons just for looks and to further disguise those thoroughly un-1929 piano hinges. do not archive -------- Billy McCaskill Baker, LA tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=377059#377059 ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 09:50:27 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Plywood repairs From: "Billy McCaskill" As tools mentioned, more specific info would be good. The repair method would probably depend on the size, extent and location of the damage. Is it merely a surface crack, an obvious break or a complete hole in the plywood? How accessible is the underside of the damaged area? It could be as simple as applying a thin doubler patch to the underside, or it could be as extensive as replacing the entire damaged area with new plywood. As also noted by Jack P, refer to AC 43.13 for the procedures and standards to effect such repairs. -------- Billy McCaskill Baker, LA tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=377060#377060 ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 09:57:04 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Can someone explain why... From: "Billy McCaskill" I think it has to do with self-satisfaction Mark, and not working to satisfy a boss, customer, client, or (dare I say it?) a spouse or family member who expects something of you. Working on a project that you are passionate about is a reward in and of itself. do not archive -------- Billy McCaskill Baker, LA tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=377061#377061 ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 11:04:52 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Pietenpol-List: Official Pietenpol-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) Dear Listers, Please read over the Pietenpol-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) below. 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In other words, you cannot post messages only to the digest List. * If you are subscribed to both the regular List and the digest List, you will receive the realtime postings as well as the digest at the end of the day. * If you reply to the digest email, your message will be forwarded to the normal list associated with the digest. Important Note: Please change the subject line to reflect the topic of your response! Also, please *do not include all or most of the digest in your reply*. **************************** *** List Digest Browser *** **************************** An archive of all the List Digests can be found online in either plain text or HTML format. These archives contain the exact Digest that was posted to the Digest email list on the given day. The Digest Archives can be found at the following location: http://www.matronics.com/digest ***************************************** *** The "DO NOT ARCHIVE" Message Flag *** ***************************************** At times, your message may concern something that is revelent only to a very small number of persons or to a limited area, and you may not wish to archive it. In such a case, simply put the following phrase anywhere in the message: do not archive Your message will not be appended to the archive, but will be sent to List email distribution as normal. ********************************************** ***** READ THIS - Automatic Unsubscribes ***** ********************************************** Note that if your email address begins to cause problems such as bounced email, mailbox is filled, or any other errors, your address will be promptly removed from the List. If you discover that you are no longer receiving messages from the Pietenpol-List, go to the following Web page, and look for your email address and a possible reason for your removal. The Matronics Email List uses utility called the "Email Weasel" that automatically looks though the day's bounced email for addresses that caused problems due to common things like "user is unknown", "mailbox full", etc. If the Email Weasel removes your email address from the Lists you will find record of it at the following URL: http://www.matronics.com/unsubscribed If the problem listed on the web site above has been resolved, please feel free to resubscribe to the Lists of your choice. ******************************* *** List Member Information *** ******************************* If you have not done so already, please email me your phone numbers and paper mail address in the following format: smith@somehost.com Joe Smith 123 Airport Lane Tower, CA 91234-1234 098-765-1234 w 123-456-7890 h Please forward this information to the following email address: requests@matronics.com I have a file of such things, that I typically use to contact you when there are problems with your email address. The information will NOT be used for any other commercial purpose. **************************************** *** Realtime Web Email List Browsing *** **************************************** Recent messages posted to the Pietenpol-List are also made available on the Web for realtime browsing. Seven days worth of back postings are available with this feature. The messages can be sorted by Subject, Author, Date, or Message Thread. The Realtime List Browser indexes are updated twice per hour at xx:15 and xx:45. You can also reply to a message or start a new message directly from the List Browser Interface (coming soon). You do not have to be subscribed to the given list to use the List Browser Interface in view-mode. http://www.matronics.com/browselist/pietenpol-list ******************************************* *** Web Forums Bulletin Board Interface *** ******************************************* A phpBB BBS web Forums front end is available for all Pietenpol-List content. content. The Forums contain all of the same content available via the email distribution and found on the various archive viewing formats such as the List Browse, etc. Any posts on the web Forums will be cross posted to the respective email List, and posts to the Email List will be cross posted to the web Forums. You may view all List content on the Forums without any special login. If you wish to post a message via the Web Forum interface, however, you will need to Register. This is a simple process that takes only a few minutes. A link to the Registration page can be found at the top of the main web Forums page. Note that registering on the Forum web site also enables you to send email posts to the Lists as well. You will also need to Subscribe to the respective Email List as described above to receive the Email Distribution of the List, however. The Matroincs Email List Web BBS Forums can be found at the following URL: http://forums.matronics.com ********************************* *** Matronics Email List Wiki *** ********************************* In an attempt to make it easy to store and find structured and often accessed information, Matronics has installed a Wiki at: http://wiki.matronics.com The Wiki allows individuals to create web pages to contain useful information for other users of the mailing lists and web site. Unlike an ordinary web page where the content needs to be submitted to Matronics for inclusion, the Wiki permits the users to construct their own pages and have them visible immediately. While constructing pages for the Wiki is not difficult, some may not be comfortable building pages. In that case, simply prepare the text and any images and email it to: wiki-support@matronics.com One of the volunteers on that list will take your submission and construct a Wiki page for you. Often someone produces a particularly useful posting in email one one of the Lists that would be of general interest. In that case Matronics may take that post and convert it into a Wiki page. ********************* *** List Archives *** ********************* A file containing of all of the previous postings to the Pietenpol-List is available on line. The archive file information is available via the Web and FTP in a number of forms. Each are briefly described below: * Pietenpol-List.FAQ - Latest version of the Pietenpol-List Frequently Asked Question page (this document). * Pietenpol-Archive.digest.complete - Complete file with most of the email header info removed and page breaks inserted between messages. * Pietenpol-Archive.digest.vol-?? - Same as the file above, but broken up into small sections that can more easily handled. * Pietenpol-Archive.digest.complete.zip - Same as the Pietenpol-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in PKZIP format. Use "binary" data transfer methods. * Pietenpol-Archive.digest.complete.Z - Same as the Pietenpol-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods. Download Via FTP ---------------- The archive file is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.matronics.com in the "/pub/Archives" directory. It is updated daily and can be found in a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.) ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives Download Via Web ---------------- The archives are also available via a web listing. These can be found toward the bottom of the following web page: http://www.matronics.com/archives ****************************************** *** Complete List Web Archive Browsing *** ****************************************** All messages posted to the Pietenpol-List are also available using the Email List Archive Browsing feature. With this utility, all messages in the List are indexed, and individual sub-archives can be browsed. http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-index.cgi?Pietenpol ***************************************** **** High-Speed Archive Search Engine *** ***************************************** You can use the custom, high-performance Matronics Email List Search Engine to quickly locate and browse any messages that have been posted to the List. The Engine allows the user to easily search any of the currently available List archives. http://www.matronics.com/search **************************** *** File and Photo Share *** **************************** With the Matronics Email List File and Photo Share you can share pictures and other data with members of the List without having to forward a copy of it to everyone. To share your Files and Photos, simply email them to: pictures@matronics.com !! ==> Please including the following information with each submission: 1) Email Lists that they are related to. 2) Your Full Name. 3) Your Email Address. 4) One line Subject description. 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic. 6-x) One-line Description of each photo or file Prior to public availability of the files and photos, each will be scanned for viruses. Please also note that the process of making the files and photos available on the web site is a pseudo-manual process, and I try to process them every few days. Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be sent to the Email Lists enumerated in 1) above indicating that the new Share is available and what the direct URL to it is. For a current list of available Photoshares, have a look at the Main Index Page: http://www.matronics.com/photoshare ************************** *** List Archive CDROM *** ************************** A complete Matronics Email List Archive CD is available that contains all of the archives since the beginning of each of the Lists. The archives for all of the Lists are included on the CD along with a freeware search engine written by a list member. The CD is burned the day you order it and will contain archive received up to the last minute. They make great gifts! http://www.matronics.com/ArchiveCDROM ********************************** *** List Support Contributions *** ********************************** The Matronics Lists are run *completely* through the support of it members. You won't find any PopUpAds, flashing Banner ads, or any other form of annoying commercialism on either the Email Messages or the List web pages associated with the Matronics Email Lists. Every year during November I run a low-key, low-pressure "Fund Raiser" where, throughout the month, I ask List members to make a Contribution in any amount with which they are comfortable. I will often offer free gifts with certain contribution levels during the Fund Raiser to increase the participation. The gifts are usually donated by companies that are themselves List members. Your Contributions go directly to supporting the operation of the Lists including the high-speed, business-class Internet connection, server system hardware and software upgrades, and to partially offset the many many hours I spend running, maintaining, upgrading, and developing the variety of services found here. Generally Contributions range from $20 to $100 and are completely voluntary and non-compulsory. I ask only that if person enjoys the Lists and obtains value from them, that they make a Contribution of equal magnitude. Contributions are accepted throughout the year, and if you've just subscribed, feel free to make a Contribution when you've settled in. The website for making SSL Secure Contributions is listed below. There are a variety of payment methods including Visa and MasterCard, PayPal, and sending a personal check. If you enjoy and value the List, won't you make a Contribution today to support its continued operation? http://www.matronics.com/contributions Thank you! Matt Dralle Email List Administrator ****************************************************************************** Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines ****************************************************************************** The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Pietenpol-List. You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein. Failure to use the Pietenpol-List in the manner described below may result in the removal of the subscribers from the List. Pietenpol-List Policy Statement The purpose of the Pietenpol-List is to provide a forum of discussion for things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established: - Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc. - THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it. - Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and responses. - Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address, aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary space in the archive. - DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the web page or FAQ first. - If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it easy to find threads in the archive. - When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive can not be overstated! - When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the "reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your response to the original poster. You might have to actively address your response with the original poster's email address. - DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large. - When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly contribute something valuable. - Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing. - Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by List members promoting their respective products or items for sale should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to everyone, including those who provide products to the entire community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists. ------- [This is an automated posting.] do not archive ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 11:14:48 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Pietenpol-List: Official Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines Dear Listers, Please read over the Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete Pietenpol-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the following URL: http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Pietenpol-List.FAQ.html Thank you, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ****************************************************************************** Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines ****************************************************************************** The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Pietenpol-List. You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein. Failure to use the Pietenpol-List in the manner described below may result in the removal of the subscribers from the List. Pietenpol-List Policy Statement The purpose of the Pietenpol-List is to provide a forum of discussion for things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established: - Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc. - THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it. - Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and responses. - Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address, aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary space in the archive. - DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the web page or FAQ first. - If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it easy to find threads in the archive. - When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive can not be overstated! - When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the "reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your response to the original poster. You might have to actively address your response with the original poster's email address. - DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large. - When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly contribute something valuable. - Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing. - Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by List members promoting their respective products or items for sale should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to everyone, including those who provide products to the entire community. 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