Today's Message Index:
----------------------
1. 05:10 AM - Re: Can someone explain why... (Gary Boothe)
2. 07:12 AM - Re: Can someone explain why... (AircamperN11MS)
3. 08:06 AM - gap seals (Douwe Blumberg)
4. 08:09 AM - Re: Bill's taxiing!! (BYD)
5. 09:02 AM - Re: gap seals (tools)
6. 09:17 AM - Re: Gap seals (woodflier@aol.com)
7. 09:37 AM - Re: Re: gap seals (Ken Bickers)
8. 09:45 AM - Re: gap seals (kevinpurtee)
9. 10:01 AM - Re: Re: gap seals (Jack Phillips)
10. 10:01 AM - Re: Can someone explain why... (Jim Boyer)
11. 04:07 PM - Re: Re: gap seals (shad bell)
12. 04:25 PM - Re: Re: Can someone explain why... (Gary Boothe)
13. 04:38 PM - Re: Re: gap seals (Ben Charvet)
14. 04:40 PM - Re: Can someone explain why... (Gary Boothe)
15. 04:45 PM - Re: Can someone explain why... (John Francis)
16. 05:44 PM - Re: Re: Can someone explain why... (Gary Boothe)
17. 06:24 PM - Re: Re: Can someone explain why... (brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com)
Message 1
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Can someone explain why... |
Mark,
Very glad to hear that you're spending the time. That's what it takes. Don't
forget the requisite photos.
My Piet goes to the airport next Saturday! First flight is still several
weeks out....
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2012 9:09 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Can someone explain why...
--> <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
Why standing on my feet on a hard concrete floor for 2 "8 hour" days
building a Piet makes me tired, but if I had to do the same thing for "work"
I'd be exhausted?
Got the Pilot seat framed up (ala Mike Cuy style seat with removable bottom
and folding/removable seat back), and almost finished the front seat too.
Loved every minute of it, but if you called it work and paid me for it,
...well, would it still be work? :-)
Lovin' life!
Gary, you flying yet? :-)
Mark
--------
do not archive
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=377056#377056
Message 2
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Can someone explain why... |
Gary,
Which airport are you taking it to?
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=377074#377074
Message 3
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Dan I have some oatmeal cartons laying around I could send you that might
work for a gap seal. They're Quaker Oats though and the box is of the
modern design so on second thought. Could probably find some original ones
on Ebay though.
All kidding aside, I'm going to make two balsa half rounds or corner
moldings and glue them in there with the faces along the axis which should
allow a pretty tight seal.
Thanks for all the ideas as usual!
Douwe
Message 4
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Bill's taxiing!! |
taildrags wrote:
> One teeny caution: stay the heck away from tie-down ropes on the apron while
taxiing around.
That was a concern Oscar. You'll note that the majority of my turning was after
I had tested the brakes and made some more or less straight runs. Then it was
definitely on my mind as I slalomed through the tie-down areas. Thanks for
the heads-up though.
Also, a keen eyed lister noted that the elevators are not rigged properly - the
entire plane has not been rigged yet until I settle weight and balance. I tell
ya, this group is sharp. Next someone will point out that the registration
numbers look like they're coming off - they are just paper to see what sizes
looked best. Whew!
--------
Please check with Larry "TC" Williams before archiving, otherwise,
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=377078#377078
Message 5
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Just for the heck of it, wondering where you all are getting your balsa?
It's been years, but I know the store is still there, but a place in San Antonio
TX called Alamo hardwoods used to sell balsa like any other hardwood. It was
in random widths and lengths (most 8' plus) mostly 8/4 (or 2" thick), by the
board foot. They'd cut to any length and slap a shipping lable on it, wouldn't
be much to ship in the quantities we're looking at.
It wasn't contest quality super super lightweight stuff, but lighter than ANY other
wood you're going to find. The type of stuff hollywood used to use to make
props used in old western movie fight scenes (the chairs and tables that got
broke up).
Probably WAAAY cheaper than any hobby store stuff. Might be worth looking into
for these sorts of applications (and strut fairing, etc).
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=377084#377084
Message 6
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Douwe, I used plain 'ol aluminum tape from the hardware store. My wings are
silver so it blended fine. I see where Kevin and Shelly used clear tape, w
hich should work as well. I just put the tape over the gap on the top side
of the wing, with the tape applied with the aileron full down. This assured
no binding caused by too-tight tape. Its been on my wing for a year and 10
5 hours of flying. I have the traditional cupboard hinges on my ailerons, n
ot the piano hinge. I don't have any seals on the elevator but haven't noti
ced any lack of elevator authority.
Matt Paxton
Message 7
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
As it happens, I ordered a shipment of balsa from Lonestar Balsa just
last week. I bought enough to fair the diagonal struts and jury
struts. The wood was very nice -- not the super light stuff, but not
much heavier. The whole order, including the shipping was under a
hundred dollars. Cheers, Ken
On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 10:02 AM, tools <n0kkj@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Just for the heck of it, wondering where you all are getting your balsa?
>
> It's been years, but I know the store is still there, but a place in San Antonio
TX called Alamo hardwoods used to sell balsa like any other hardwood. It
was in random widths and lengths (most 8' plus) mostly 8/4 (or 2" thick), by the
board foot. They'd cut to any length and slap a shipping lable on it, wouldn't
be much to ship in the quantities we're looking at.
>
> It wasn't contest quality super super lightweight stuff, but lighter than ANY
other wood you're going to find. The type of stuff hollywood used to use to
make props used in old western movie fight scenes (the chairs and tables that
got broke up).
>
> Probably WAAAY cheaper than any hobby store stuff. Might be worth looking into
for these sorts of applications (and strut fairing, etc).
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=377084#377084
>
>
Message 8
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Douwe - We've got the per-the-plan hinges. My aileron seal tape's installed from the bottom. I read on the fly-baby site about tape being applied on the top letting go and making things interesting for the pilot. Matt has succeeded for 105 hours so it probably has everything to do with surface prep before applying the tape. As Shelley mentioned, we don't have gap seals on the tail. I have no comparison, but the control authority seems ok. Reference this video from Markle: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQyYKxwqe-o
I do have the East Texas Trim System on the stick - a bungee pulling the stick
aft, which has worked wonderfully. Maybe gap seals on the elevator would improve
that situation as Dan has stated.
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=377089#377089
Message 9
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Douwe,
I've had first hand experience flying Pietenpols with and without gap seals.
I have piano hinges on my ailerons, so no seals are needed. When I ferried
N502R to Brodhead a couple of years ago for Ryan Mueller, I picked it up
from its owner, the late Gene Pennington, and flew it from Camden Tennessee
to Jackson Tennessee, where I was visiting my mother. When I made that
first takeoff, my first thought was something was broken because the
ailerons were so inneffective. When I landed in Jackson, I immediately
applied blue painter's tape in the aileron gaps, using the same technique
Kevin used. What a difference! I know Ryan never changed that temporary
tape job. He sold N502R to John Hofmann. I don't know if John still has my
temporary gap seals in place, or if he has a more permanent solution.
I tried gap seals on my elevators using duct tape applied to the underside.
There were some minor changes due to sealing the gaps. Primarily, I found I
could raise the tail on takeoff in less than half the distance required
without gap seals. I could not tell any difference in flight qualities,
except that more nose up trim was required to hold level flight. I have a
slight amount of incidence set into my horizontal tail (two AN970 washers
worth) and could probably remove that if I kept the gap seals in place.
Last year on the way to Brodhead one of the pieces of duct tape peeled about
halfway off (I couldn't tell anything from the feel of the airplane) so I
removed the tape from both sides and have never replaced it.
So, in my opinion, gap seals are essential on the ailerons and unncessary on
the elevators. I have not tried them on the rudder, but the rudder has so
much authority I can't believe it could be much improved.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kevinpurtee
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 12:46 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: gap seals
--> <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
Douwe - We've got the per-the-plan hinges. My aileron seal tape's installed
from the bottom. I read on the fly-baby site about tape being applied on
the top letting go and making things interesting for the pilot. Matt has
succeeded for 105 hours so it probably has everything to do with surface
prep before applying the tape. As Shelley mentioned, we don't have gap
seals on the tail. I have no comparison, but the control authority seems
ok. Reference this video from Markle:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQyYKxwqe-o
I do have the East Texas Trim System on the stick - a bungee pulling the
stick aft, which has worked wonderfully. Maybe gap seals on the elevator
would improve that situation as Dan has stated.
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=377089#377089
Message 10
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Can someone explain why... |
Hi Gary,
Will you be able to do first flight before Brodhead? Be sure to have a video for
us slowpokes.
Thanks,
Jim B.
Message 11
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Foam Could probably be used as well, might be a little lighter than most ba
lsa.- It would have to be the correct type of foam that would hold up to
fabric glue.- A biplane project I just sold had blue foam, and 1 light co
at of glass in place of the balsa tips on the empenage, and l/e of the elev
ators and ailerons.- It felt considerably lighter than the balsa I have o
n my project.- I never weighed them for comparison, just an idea.
-
Shad
-
Don't archive
--- On Mon, 7/2/12, tools <n0kkj@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: tools <n0kkj@yahoo.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: gap seals
Just for the heck of it, wondering where you all are getting your balsa?
It's been years, but I know the store is still there, but a place in San An
tonio TX called Alamo hardwoods used to sell balsa like any other hardwood.
- It was in random widths and lengths (most 8' plus) mostly 8/4 (or 2" th
ick), by the board foot.- They'd cut to any length and slap a shipping la
ble on it, wouldn't be much to ship in the quantities we're looking at.
It wasn't contest quality super super lightweight stuff, but lighter than A
NY other wood you're going to find.- The type of stuff hollywood used to
use to make props used in old western movie fight scenes (the chairs and ta
bles that got broke up).
Probably WAAAY cheaper than any hobby store stuff.- Might be worth lookin
g into for these sorts of applications (and strut fairing, etc).
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=377084#377084
le, List Admin.
Message 12
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Can someone explain why... |
LHM
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
AircamperN11MS
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 7:12 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Can someone explain why...
--> <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>
Gary,
Which airport are you taking it to?
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=377074#377074
Message 13
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
I just used some strips of douglas fir cut to a shallow triangle shape
on my tailfeathers. I still used clear duct tape to seal the gap, even
though it was only about 1/8 inch.
Ben
On 7/2/2012 7:06 PM, shad bell wrote:
> Foam Could probably be used as well, might be a little lighter than
> most balsa. It would have to be the correct type of foam that would
> hold up to fabric glue. A biplane project I just sold had blue foam,
> and 1 light coat of glass in place of the balsa tips on the empenage,
> and l/e of the elevators and ailerons. It felt considerably lighter
> than the balsa I have on my project. I never weighed them for
> comparison, just an idea.
> Shad
> Don't archive
>
> --- On *Mon, 7/2/12, tools /<n0kkj@yahoo.com>/* wrote:
>
>
> From: tools <n0kkj@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: gap seals
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Date: Monday, July 2, 2012, 12:02 PM
>
> <http://us.mc1621.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=n0kkj@yahoo.com>>
>
> Just for the heck of it, wondering where you all are getting your
> balsa?
>
> It's been years, but I know the store is still there, but a place
> in San Antonio TX called Alamo hardwoods used to sell balsa like
> any other hardwood. It was in random widths and lengths (most 8'
> plus) mostly 8/4 (or 2" thick), by the board foot. They'd cut to
> any length and slap a shipping lable on it, wouldn't be much to
> ship in the quantities we're looking at.
>
> It wasn't contest quality super super lightweight stuff, but
> lighter than ANY other wood you're going to find. The type of
> stuff hollywood used to use to make props used in old western
> movie fight scenes (the chairs and tables that got broke up).
>
> Probably WAAAY cheaper than any hobby store stuff. Might be worth
> looking into for these sorts of applications (and strut fairing, etc).
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List"
> target=_blank>http://www.m; -->
> <http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=377084#377084>
>
>
> <http://forums.matronics.com/>
>
> *
>
>
> *
--
Ben Charvet, PharmD
Staff Pharmacist
Parrish Medical center
Message 14
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Can someone explain why... |
Negative on that, Jim.still need to get current; but there will
be video, otherwise no one would believe me!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
Do not archive
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Boyer
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Can someone explain why...
Hi Gary,
Will you be able to do first flight before Brodhead? Be sure to have a
video for us slowpokes.
Thanks,
Jim B.
Message 15
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Can someone explain why... |
You just gotta love it. Although it got up to 93 in my shop today, I managed to
get the wing hung and began work on the leading edge.
Do not archive.
--------
John Francis
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=377114#377114
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc07634_108.jpg
Message 16
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Can someone explain why... |
That's dedication! (The scantily-clad girls must be on the other wall...)
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Francis
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 4:46 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Can someone explain why...
--> <Mrkringles@msn.com>
You just gotta love it. Although it got up to 93 in my shop today, I
managed to get the wing hung and began work on the leading edge.
Do not archive.
--------
John Francis
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=377114#377114
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc07634_108.jpg
Message 17
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Can someone explain why... |
----- Original Message -----
From: John Francis [mailto:Mrkringles@msn.com]
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 05:45 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Can someone explain why...
You just gotta love it. Although it got up to 93 in my shop today, I managed to
get the wing hung and began work on the leading edge.
Do not archive.
--------
John Francis
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=377114#377114
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc07634_108.jpg
Other Matronics Email List Services
These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.
-- Please support this service by making your Contribution today! --
|