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1. 12:20 AM - Re: Re: Brodhead bound (shad bell)
2. 04:52 AM - Re: Mom's Piet Flight (SENTUCHOWS@aol.com)
3. 06:05 AM - Larry's brake set-up (Douwe Blumberg)
4. 06:58 AM - Re: Well, I was needing to wash my my airplane anyway... (Bill Church)
5. 07:55 AM - Re: Straight Axle Stops (l.morlock)
6. 08:08 AM - Re: Re: Well, I was needing to wash my my airplane anyway... (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB)
7. 08:34 AM - Re: Brodhead bound (IT Girl)
8. 08:39 AM - Re: Re: Straight Axle Stops (Gary Boothe)
9. 09:39 AM - Re: Re: Straight Axle Stops (helspersew@aol.com)
10. 10:16 AM - Skis, and goodies to Brodhead (Pieti Lowell)
11. 11:25 AM - Re: Straight Axle Stops (tools)
12. 11:36 AM - Straight Axle Stops (Oscar Zuniga)
13. 11:48 AM - Re: Straight Axle Stops (Don Emch)
14. 12:17 PM - Re: Straight Axle Stops (Ken Bickers)
15. 01:49 PM - =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dad=99s?= last flight (BYD)
16. 03:46 PM - Re: Brodhead bound (cjborsuk)
17. 03:56 PM - Re: Brodhead bound (BYD)
18. 04:10 PM - Re: Re: Brodhead bound (John Hofmann)
19. 05:04 PM - Re: Re: Brodhead bound (Gary Boothe)
20. 05:52 PM - more brakes (skellytown flyer)
21. 06:34 PM - Re: more brakes (Ken Bickers)
22. 06:38 PM - Re: Brodhead bound (IT Girl)
23. 06:40 PM - Brodhead bound, test flight (shad bell)
24. 07:11 PM - Re: Re: Brodhead bound (John Hofmann)
25. 07:40 PM - Waldo Pepper pond landing (for real) (shad bell)
26. 07:49 PM - Re: Waldo Pepper pond landing (for real) (helspersew@aol.com)
27. 07:50 PM - Re: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dad=99s?= last flight (aerocarjake)
28. 08:00 PM - Re: Brodhead bound, test flight (IT Girl)
29. 08:04 PM - Re: Markle Mania revisited (Ozarkflyer)
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Subject: | Re: Brodhead bound |
Exaust is done after 8+ hrs in the hangar sweating my butt off (broke 100 t
oday).- I got it fabricated, welded,-painted and installed, only need t
o flight test it and I think she is ready for the trip to Brodhead.- Hope
fully it only takes a couple days to get the black bugers all out of my nos
e, from breathing the sweet smell of oxy-acetylene, and grinding steel.-
The welds were to my satisfaction, a very rewarding feeling when I lay down
a stack of dimes with the ole torch (which I didn't do with the dirty, sta
inless repair).- Hope to see y'all in a couple weeks.
-
Shad
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Subject: | Re: Mom's Piet Flight |
I'm trying to figure out which looks prettiest, your Mom or your Piet.
Dave
In a message dated 7/7/2012 9:11:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
woodflier@aol.com writes:
Some of you may have seen this before but some not. Thought I'd share.
This picture was taken last Saturday when my mom got her first flight in the
Pietenpol during her 80th birthday celebration. She loved the flight and it
was a real treat taking her up.
Matt Paxton
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Subject: | Larry's brake set-up |
Larry,
I assume your counselor means a side load is introduced because the cables
splay out from the strut to the caliper? If so, the answer would to be make
sure the caliber support is sturdy enough for the fairly minimal side loads
a mechanical brake could introduce.
Mechanical brakes are not going to provide anywhere near the stopping forces
of a full-blown hydraulic system using small wheels, which are sometimes
capable of locking the wheels. Your brakes MIGHT KINDA hold it for run up
and like you say, taxiing and general ground maneuvering. I seriously doubt
your set-up would present any problems, unless like I said earlier, the
caliber support is so flimsy as to bend inward.
I had the same set up the first time around and it seemed to work fine.
Just remember that as the axle goes up and down, the cable will want to
rotate the axle a tiny bit, so allow for that in your cable routing.
How close are you Larry?
Douwe
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Subject: | Re: Well, I was needing to wash my my airplane anyway... |
My experience with skunk smell eradication was to use a combination of Hydrogen
Peroxide and baking soda. It didn't eliminate the odor, but it did reduce it.
Oh, one other thing... this wasn't on an airplane, or a car ... it was on a
cat. A black cat... A black cat that was sort of a brown cat after the treatment.
Following the treatment, the cat was heard to say "I didn't like it much."
BC
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Subject: | Re: Straight Axle Stops |
Thanks for the input. Glad to hear from both Tools and Douwe that they have
used this method successfully. I think I will go ahead with that set-up.
Earl: I guess my picture was a bit misleading. That is excess brake cable
that appears to be going to the front gear strut. The cable that will
tether the brake caliper isn't installed yet, but will go to the rear gear
strut.
Tools: While it is true it will stop the caliper bracket from rotating, the
bracket is attached to the axle, so it will also stop the axle from
rotating. Do you have a picture of your set-up?
Douwe: My caliper support bracket is not what I would call heavy duty, but
as you can see from the picture, my brake rotors are fairly thick, so I
think this also would help withstand the side load. I didn't think of the
fact that the cable will want to rotate the axle a bit when it goes up and
down. What allowance would I have to make for this in the cable routing?
As usual, I'm making slow but steady progress on my Piet. I'm finishing up
the coaming at the moment. Next job is to find a place for the Piet on an
airport, as I'm still in the pole barn off-airport (see attached foto).
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: "tools" <n0kkj@yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2012 8:32 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Straight Axle Stops
>
> Well, the setup you're mentioning really stops the caliper bracket from
> rotating, not the axle, right?
>
> If so, that's the setup mine has, and it works just fine. I don't see any
> noticable side force and havn't had the axle move back and forth at all.
>
> My cables hook to the gear plates on the outside, keeping it as inline as
> possible. Looks like it runs to the inside, if it's the cable and not a
> brake line, in the pic.
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Subject: | Re: Well, I was needing to wash my my airplane anyway... |
Skunk spray is a Musk Oil. So you can use a bleach water solution (not what I recommend
for a plane), the Hydrogen peroxide and baking soda solution, or time.
Washing it with a good degreaser should help get the oil off.
As for tomato juice, it really only desensitizes the person bathing the child/dog
and does not get rid of the smell.
As well as the other home remedies try this:
Put a lots of charcoal around, inside and so on. It absorbs a lot of odors.
I would fly the thing. Let the air get rid of that smell.
If you use the above remedies it will go away in about two weeks, otherwise it
will remain for 14 days.
OT
Had an Irish setter try to get a skunk and he had his mouth open and must have
inhaled when the skunk sprayed. He survived but for about 3 days he was one unhappy
dog For about two weeks everytime he sighed we smelled skunk.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Well, I was needing to wash my my airplane anyway...
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> Sorry, Andrew, but that's absolutely hysterical!
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Subject: | Re: Brodhead bound |
Yeah Shad!! So glad you will make it!!
Billy... drive careful.
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IT Girl
wife of "Axel"
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Subject: | Re: Straight Axle Stops |
Sweet, Larry! TC & DH ought to like the authenticity!!
Gary Boothe
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of l.morlock
Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2012 7:55 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Straight Axle Stops
Thanks for the input. Glad to hear from both Tools and Douwe that they have
used this method successfully. I think I will go ahead with that set-up.
Earl: I guess my picture was a bit misleading. That is excess brake cable
that appears to be going to the front gear strut. The cable that will
tether the brake caliper isn't installed yet, but will go to the rear gear
strut.
Tools: While it is true it will stop the caliper bracket from rotating, the
bracket is attached to the axle, so it will also stop the axle from
rotating. Do you have a picture of your set-up?
Douwe: My caliper support bracket is not what I would call heavy duty, but
as you can see from the picture, my brake rotors are fairly thick, so I
think this also would help withstand the side load. I didn't think of the
fact that the cable will want to rotate the axle a bit when it goes up and
down. What allowance would I have to make for this in the cable routing?
As usual, I'm making slow but steady progress on my Piet. I'm finishing up
the coaming at the moment. Next job is to find a place for the Piet on an
airport, as I'm still in the pole barn off-airport (see attached foto).
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: "tools" <n0kkj@yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2012 8:32 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Straight Axle Stops
>
> Well, the setup you're mentioning really stops the caliper bracket from
> rotating, not the axle, right?
>
> If so, that's the setup mine has, and it works just fine. I don't see any
> noticable side force and havn't had the axle move back and forth at all.
>
> My cables hook to the gear plates on the outside, keeping it as inline as
> possible. Looks like it runs to the inside, if it's the cable and not a
> brake line, in the pic.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=377565#377565
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Subject: | Re: Straight Axle Stops |
Larry,
Beautiful airplane. Very authentic looking Piet!!
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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Subject: | Skis, and goodies to Brodhead |
Any one interested in a 16 fT. long construction table, Can be broken down into
short sections, has rollers to allow moving after assembly ?
Ford H2O pumps New used twice. Nice Fed, Skis.
Will deliver to fly-in, 19Th.
Pieti Lowell
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Subject: | Re: Straight Axle Stops |
Larry,
Ok, that makes sense. Mostly asked just to make sure I understood the setup.
I don't have pics of mine, but will try to get some today.
My caliper bracket just free wheels on the axle, but is otherwise the same.
Great looking plane!
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Subject: | Straight Axle Stops |
John Dilatush's "Mountain Piet" had an interesting setup to prevent rotation of
the axle. He added two fixed anti-torque tubes between the gear legs and linked
them to the axle with flexible links. I don't have any good pix of the setup,
but you might be able to get the gist by looking at the landing gear pix
here:
http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/John_piet.html
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket"
Medford/Ashland, OR
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: | Re: Straight Axle Stops |
Larry,
Looks great! What brand of head is that on your A engine?
Don Emch
NX899DE
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Subject: | Re: Straight Axle Stops |
I shamelessly borrowed, with adaptations, the Dilatush four-link
anti-rotation idea. I've attached a picture. Note: it works great in
my hangar, but hasn't flown yet. If interested, I could take a close
up later today. Cheers, Ken
On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 12:36 PM, Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote
:
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> John Dilatush's "Mountain Piet" had an interesting setup to prevent rotat
ion of the axle. He added two fixed anti-torque tubes between the gear leg
s and linked them to the axle with flexible links. I don't have any good p
ix of the setup, but you might be able to get the gist by looking at the la
nding gear pix here:
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> http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/John_piet.html
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> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket"
> Medford/Ashland, OR
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: | =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dad=99s?= last flight |
My father and aviation mentor was Paul B. Sayre. Born in 1919, he started a Pietenpol
Air Camper when he was a youngster but never completed it. He was a member
of the Tracy Ace group at the Boeing school of Aeronautics in Tracy California
and flew for Boeing Air Transport, which later became United Air Lines.
He remained with that company to retire as a Captain on Boeing 747 equipment.
The last time he was at the controls of and airplane was out of Port Orchard airport
in a Pietenpol owned by me at the time (the Newberry Pietenpol now owned
by Ernie Moreno). A few things stand out to me about this flight. The last
plane he flew before this flight was a Boeing 747 a few years back. Unlike the
rear cockpit, all he had up front was a plywood panel with a passenger warning
on it. On top of that, all we could find for goggles were some welding goggles
limiting his sight.
Now, get off the ground and hand the controls over to him and watch. He spots
a lake where a friend lives and theyre out on a nice afternoon so he starts to
circle. Im thinking he hasnt flown in a while and has no instruments so I better
watch carefully lest we stall and smite the earth. To my amazement, he held
altitude and speed better than I probably could even with instruments to guide
me. He was an amazing man in many ways, but as a pilot, I was always in
awe with his skill and knowledge. If you want to have fun during Chandelles and
Lazy-8s, have someone taught in the 1930s show you how they were taught to
perform them.
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Subject: | Re: Brodhead bound |
I will be attending my first Brodhead!! I will be driving only because Hofmann
won't fly down and pick me up! Really looking forward to it. Brodhead, not the
drive.
I was watching TGWP last night in preparation. Will there be wing walking??
Chuck
Raleigh NC
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Subject: | Re: Brodhead bound |
cjborsuk wrote:
> I was watching TGWP last night in preparation. Will there be wing walking??
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> Chuck
> Raleigh NC
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Subject: | Re: Brodhead bound |
Hey Chuck!
Great you are joining us. Sorry for not being able to pick you up=85.
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John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2424 American Lane
Madison, WI 53704
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
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> I will be attending my first Brodhead!! I will be driving only because
Hofmann won't fly down and pick me up! Really looking forward to it.
Brodhead, not the drive.
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> I was watching TGWP last night in preparation. Will there be wing
walking??
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> Chuck
> Raleigh NC
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Subject: | Re: Brodhead bound |
Curt,
You'll be missed!!
Gary Boothe
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
curtdm(at)gmail.com
Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2012 11:12 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead bound
--> <curtdm@gmail.com>
I hope everyone have a great time this year!
I unfortunately won't be
able to make it because of my work schedule, but I can say my work has given
me the opportunity to visit several of you at your workshops over the last
year.
I want to thank Mark Chouinard, Gary Boothe, Chuck Borsuk, Jake Shultz, Mike
Perez and Brian Jardine. I cannot wait to see all of these incredible
airplanes in the air! I truly enjoyed my visits and enjoy all the progress
reports.
I'll be looking forward to Axel rocking his wings as he passes Dallas on way
up north!
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Flower Mound, TX
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I am about to order some 5" mechanical brakes to replace the old non-working hydraulic
units I have on my bird.they are Hayes wheels and brakes- the old expander
tube style. never could get one side to work and the other barely at times.
I think I'd rather have both sides with some weak brakes than none at all.about
all I am after is to slow the roll or help with a tighter turn. will have
to change the toe brakes/rudder pedals over from the Cessna type vertical master
cylinders to some type of pull arm for the cables. I think I might as well
incorporate it on the pedals instead of trying to cram some type of heel actuators
in the GN-1. not sure there is really room for those anyway.but if anybody
has a better mousetrap I'd like to hear it.I was even told it might be do-able
to install a pair of levers on the stick. I could see mounting one but two
might be interesting. Raymond
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Raymond,
I'm using mechanical brakes on mine. Instead of pedals (either toe or
heel actuated), I decided to use a pair of hand operated mountain bike
brake handles.
I mounted them on a piece of tubing of about 10 inches in length that
is offset below the instrument panel by about 2 inches. They are
mounted with the levers nearly touching each other. That way, I can
operate both brakes with one hand by squeezing both handles
simultaneously; the right brake with a two fingers or the left brake
with the other two fingers. It works just fine so far, but has only
been tested when the airplane is being pulled with a one manpower
"engine" around the parking area in front of my hangar.
If interested, I could take a close up photo tomorrow after work and
send it to you.
Ken
On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 6:50 PM, skellytown flyer <skellflyer1@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> I am about to order some 5" mechanical brakes to replace the old non-working
hydraulic units I have on my bird.they are Hayes wheels and brakes- the old expander
tube style. never could get one side to work and the other barely at times.
I think I'd rather have both sides with some weak brakes than none at all.about
all I am after is to slow the roll or help with a tighter turn. will have
to change the toe brakes/rudder pedals over from the Cessna type vertical master
cylinders to some type of pull arm for the cables. I think I might as well
incorporate it on the pedals instead of trying to cram some type of heel actuators
in the GN-1. not sure there is really room for those anyway.but if anybody
has a better mousetrap I'd like to hear it.I was even told it might be do-able
to install a pair of levers on the stick. I could see mounting one but two
might be interesting. Raymond
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Subject: | Re: Brodhead bound |
BYD wrote:
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> cjborsuk wrote:
> > I was watching TGWP last night in preparation. Will there be wing walking??
> >
> > Chuck
> > Raleigh NC
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> Do you own a tear-away dress?
John Hoffman insists that he gets to pick the clothes..... but given I am usually
the only woman camping in the cove.....ummm... no
Look forward to seeing you again Chuck
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IT Girl
wife of "Axel"
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Subject: | Brodhead bound, test flight |
I got to fly for about 20 min today and it all stayed togeather, and ran go
od.- Next project is to get her cleaned up, and disconnect front rudder p
edals so I can haul my camping junk up there, load her up, and head west.
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Getting excited,
Shad
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Subject: | Re: Brodhead bound |
I knew she wasn't worth top billing=85
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John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2424 American Lane
Madison, WI 53704
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
On Jul 8, 2012, at 8:36 PM, IT Girl wrote:
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>> cjborsuk wrote:
>>> I was watching TGWP last night in preparation. Will there be wing
walking??
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>>> Chuck
>>> Raleigh NC
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>> Do you own a tear-away dress?
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> John Hoffman insists that he gets to pick the clothes..... but given I
am usually the only woman camping in the cove.....ummm... no
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> IT Girl
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Subject: | Waldo Pepper pond landing (for real) |
We actually had a real pond landing here at the airport a couple weeks ago.
- I woke up to a hovering news helicopter at 8:30 am.- New kit built Ze
inth 701, newer pilot, bad luck.- Lost it in a go-around, hit a tree, int
o a pond in the neighbors front yard.- Thank the Good Lord, he walked (ra
ther swam) away with out any serious injuries, maby none.- I don't know t
he guy very well, but if I see him again his name will have to be "Axle".
- After I found out he landed in the pond the first thing through my head
and out of my mouth was "Aim for the pond", my wife just looked at me weir
d and I explained.- My other pilot buddy whose dad lives next door to me
calls me ten minutes later and what do you think is the first thing he says
..." Aim for the pond Axle".- We are a demented group I tell you.
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Shad
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Subject: | Re: Waldo Pepper pond landing (for real) |
"Praise the Lord!"
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-----Original Message-----
From: shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sun, Jul 8, 2012 9:41 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Waldo Pepper pond landing (for real)
We actually had a real pond landing here at the airport a couple weeks ago.
I woke up to a hovering news helicopter at 8:30 am. New kit built Zeinth
701, newer pilot, bad luck. Lost it in a go-around, hit a tree, into a po
nd in the neighbors front yard. Thank the Good Lord, he walked (rather swa
m) away with out any serious injuries, maby none. I don't know the guy ver
y well, but if I see him again his name will have to be "Axle". After I fo
und out he landed in the pond the first thing through my head and out of my
mouth was "Aim for the pond", my wife just looked at me weird and I explai
ned. My other pilot buddy whose dad lives next door to me calls me ten min
utes later and what do you think is the first thing he says..." Aim for the
pond Axle". We are a demented group I tell you.
Shad
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Subject: | Re: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dad=99s?= last flight |
VERY cool Bill........ Thanks for posting.....
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Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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Subject: | Re: Brodhead bound, test flight |
Beyond excited!!
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Shelley Tumino
IT Girl
wife of "Axel"
NX899KP
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Subject: | Re: Markle Mania revisited |
Not flying my own Piet but still hanging around the list. Circumstances have been
such that my projects have been put on hold. Since the little mountain that
I live on has only one way out, the thought of torch bearing, pitch-fork toting
Pieters storming the ridge made think that perhaps this wasn't meant to be.
I was serious about purchasing Markles Piet and even had a conversation with
Jim before the crowd formed [Shocked] Once I saw what was happening, I
wanted to be a part of it and was happy to be a member of Markle Mania.
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