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1. 03:35 AM - AN5 Bolts on a Piet? (bubbleboy)
2. 03:48 AM - Re: AN5 Bolts on a Piet? (Gary Boothe)
3. 03:55 AM - Re: AN5 Bolts on a Piet? (bubbleboy)
4. 04:06 AM - Re: AN5 Bolts on a Piet? (Jerry Dotson)
5. 04:11 AM - Brat Fest 2012 (Jack)
6. 04:24 AM - Re: AN5 Bolts on a Piet? (bubbleboy)
7. 04:57 AM - Re: Straight Axle Stops (l.morlock)
8. 05:06 AM - Re: Straight Axle Stops (l.morlock)
9. 05:44 AM - Larry's brakes (Douwe Blumberg)
10. 07:46 AM - Inside Or Under Fabric? (Michael Perez)
11. 09:34 AM - Re: Inside Or Under Fabric? (Ben Charvet)
12. 10:27 AM - Re: Brat Fest 2012 (K5YAC)
13. 10:32 AM - Re: Waldo Pepper pond landing (for real) OT story (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB)
14. 10:35 AM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: (ANNCARLEK@aol.com)
15. 11:01 AM - Brodhead then Osh (ldmill)
16. 11:13 AM - Re: Waldo Pepper pond landing (for real) (kevinpurtee)
17. 11:44 AM - Pietenpol for dummies thread? (glad2fly)
18. 11:52 AM - Re: Pietenpol for dummies thread? (tools)
19. 02:24 PM - good reading for anyone flying into Oshkosh (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
20. 02:29 PM - Maintain 104 mph or faster..... (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
21. 02:43 PM - Re: Maintain 104 mph or faster..... (kevinpurtee)
22. 02:44 PM - Re: Pietenpol for dummies thread? (Billy McCaskill)
23. 02:47 PM - Re: Maintain 104 mph or faster..... (Billy McCaskill)
24. 04:37 PM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: (John Francis)
25. 04:46 PM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: (IT Girl)
26. 04:57 PM - Re: Re: Waldo Pepper pond landing (for real) (shad bell)
27. 06:24 PM - Re: Pietenpol for dummies thread? (Bill Church)
28. 07:34 PM - Re: Re: Pietenpol for dummies thread? (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB)
29. 07:39 PM - Re: Pietenpol for dummies thread? (glad2fly)
30. 08:11 PM - Re: Waldo Pepper pond landing (for real) (kevinpurtee)
31. 08:18 PM - Re: Waldo Pepper pond landing (for real) (IT Girl)
32. 08:19 PM - Re: Brat Fest 2012 (IT Girl)
33. 10:10 PM - Re: Re: Well, I was needing to wash my my airplane anyway... (Andrew Eldredge)
34. 10:57 PM - Re: Re: Well, I was needing to wash my my airplane anyway... (Ryan Mueller)
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| Subject: | AN5 Bolts on a Piet? |
Im about to place an order for AN Bolts from the USA to Australia and have hunted
through the archives and found we need a selection of AN3 and AN4 bolts but
is there a need for AN5?
With the cost of freight between there and here I thought doing one order would
be more cost effective. I dont have the plans in front of me right now and thought
those of you who have assembled their Piets may be able to chirp in here.
Regards Scotty
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Tamworth, Australia
Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
Tail and Ribs built...Building control system and about to start fuselage...Corvair
engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified.
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| Subject: | AN5 Bolts on a Piet? |
Scotty,
AN5's on both ends of the wing struts.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bubbleboy
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 3:34 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: AN5 Bolts on a Piet?
--> <scott.dawson3@bigpond.com>
Im about to place an order for AN Bolts from the USA to Australia and have
hunted through the archives and found we need a selection of AN3 and AN4
bolts but is there a need for AN5?
With the cost of freight between there and here I thought doing one order
would be more cost effective. I dont have the plans in front of me right now
and thought those of you who have assembled their Piets may be able to chirp
in here.
Regards Scotty
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Tamworth, Australia
Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
Tail and Ribs built...Building control system and about to start
fuselage...Corvair engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified.
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| Subject: | Re: AN5 Bolts on a Piet? |
Thanks Gary!
Do not archive.
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Tamworth, Australia
Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
Tail and Ribs built...Building control system and about to start fuselage...Corvair
engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified.
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| Subject: | Re: AN5 Bolts on a Piet? |
I believe the engine mount to fuselage bolts are 5/16 drilled.
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
First flight June 16,2012
Started building July, 2009
21" wheels
Lycoming O-235 C2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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All,
Susan and I are looking forward to hosting another lunch this year at
Brodhead. We will be serving Friday at 11:30. Bring your own chair and
beverage. We will be located on the SE corner of the field, drive in
camping area, green and white Itasca 37' coach. Susan's RED EzGo will be
parked close by. Come and have some fun!
Jack Textor
DSM
NX1929T
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| Subject: | Re: AN5 Bolts on a Piet? |
Thankyou!...looks like a selection of AN3,4 & 5 will be in order!
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Tamworth, Australia
Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
Tail and Ribs built...Building control system and about to start fuselage...Corvair
engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified.
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| Subject: | Re: Straight Axle Stops |
It is a Dan Price high compression head with two spark plugs per cylinder.
I'm not sure of the compression ratio, as it came with the engine when I
bought it from Douwe.
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir@aol.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2012 2:47 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Straight Axle Stops
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> Larry,
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> Looks great! What brand of head is that on your A engine?
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> Don Emch
> NX899DE
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=377650#377650
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| Subject: | Re: Straight Axle Stops |
Ken and Oscar, thanks for the info and pictures on the Dilatush set-up. I'm
sure this would work, but it looks much more involved than the arrangement
I'm planning to use with a tether cable from the rear gear leg to the brake
caliper. Seems like the latter fits my KISS philosophy better (Keep It
Simple, Stupid).
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Bickers" <bickers.ken@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2012 3:16 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Straight Axle Stops
I shamelessly borrowed, with adaptations, the Dilatush four-link
anti-rotation idea. I've attached a picture. Note: it works great in
my hangar, but hasn't flown yet. If interested, I could take a close
up later today. Cheers, Ken
On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 12:36 PM, Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> John Dilatush's "Mountain Piet" had an interesting setup to prevent
> rotation of the axle. He added two fixed anti-torque tubes between the
> gear legs and linked them to the axle with flexible links. I don't have
> any good pix of the setup, but you might be able to get the gist by
> looking at the landing gear pix here:
>
>
> http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/John_piet.html
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>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket"
> Medford/Ashland, OR
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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I haven't been able to see any of your pics Larry so I'm not sure of your
exact setup. My point was to just keep in mind that as the axle goes up and
down, the cable connecting your caliper to the strut will form an arc on the
caliper end and to make sure your actuating cable will accommodate all
possible movement without wear or kinking. The axle doesn't move that much
and it's probably pretty minimal, but something worth considering.
Douwe
Can you send me a pic of your plane offline as an attachment? I'm dying to
see it!! Hear it has a nice engine.
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| Subject: | Inside Or Under Fabric? |
I am in the early stages of figuring out how to run the various wires, tube
s, cables from the cockpit to the engine. I know some have run these items
through the cockpits inside the plane and others run them outside the fusel
age, under the fabric. Others use a combination of inside and out. Are ther
e any items that should only be placed inside the cockpits for ease of main
tenance/repair? What have you all done with your various engine controls, w
ires, gage tubes, etc.?
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Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Inside Or Under Fabric? |
I ran all of mine under the fabric. I ran a piece of 1/2 inch nylon tubing t
hat serves as a conduit
For the ignition wires on the right and for the oil pressure tube on the lef
t. The
Oil temp line is the only one not replacable
Ben Charvet
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 9, 2012, at 10:46 AM, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> I am in the early stages of figuring out how to run the various wires, tub
es, cables from the cockpit to the engine. I know some have run these items t
hrough the cockpits inside the plane and others run them outside the fuselag
e, under the fabric. Others use a combination of inside and out. Are there a
ny items that should only be placed inside the cockpits for ease of maintena
nce/repair? What have you all done with your various engine controls, wires,
gage tubes, etc.?
>
> Michael Perez
> Pietenpol HINT Videos
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
>
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| Subject: | Re: Brat Fest 2012 |
Looking forward to it Jack!
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear
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| Subject: | Re: Waldo Pepper pond landing (for real) OT story |
20+ years ago I watched a guy bounce his Kestrel Hawk on the initial flight.
Took off, round the pattern got slow over the runway and stalled it in from about
12 feet. As it stalled he shoved the gas to it. High mounted pusher prop put
it up on the nose and he "wheelbarrowed" off into the weeds. he chopped the
engine and killed it. He jumped out and drug it off the runway faster than I could
bend over and grab the fire extinguisher..
The FAA investigator (an avid pilot) came out and told the guy. "if you are not
going to fly again, I will call this an Accident. If your will fix the plane,
go to the factory and take the training course that they have, I will cal this
an incident. and the paperwork ends here."
The pilot/builder fixed it, then he took the course and flew the hours off the
plane. I did not see him fly it again. I think he got very scared of it.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: |
Listers: I sure would like to go to Brodhead again, but can't make it this
year. I do have some nicely made parts that I would like to donate for the
auction. A set of Axle Collars, two sets of Landing Gear Lugs. Is there
someone that I could mail these to? Carl L.
In a message dated 7/9/2012 12:06:23 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
pietenpol-list@matronics.com writes:
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| Subject: | Brodhead then Osh |
Are a gaggle of us flying up to Osh again this year on Sunday? I'd like to trail
along, this will be my first time flying into Osh. Always drove previously.
Got N30PP back up and running. Did the annual with my A&P and found the exhaust
valve in the #1 cylinder on the Cont A-75 wasn't seating. Pulled the jug and
found the seat eroding away. Valve work meant the normal cheap annual wasn't quite
so cheap this year.
Funny watching the A&P's face when he realized that I put almost 70 hours on 30PP
in the last 12 months - 6 of which were spent on the ground due to lousy weather.
Waaayyy too much fun...
Looking forward to seeing the group again, and especially Jack's Braut's. The 16
year old son had so much fun last year that he's coming back again this year.
Hide your daughters... :)
Lorin Miller
GN-1 N30PP
Waiex N81YX - almost in the air...
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| Subject: | Re: Waldo Pepper pond landing (for real) |
You may dub him "Axle II" if you wish, Shad. However, I am the original Axel.
Endured a lot of pain for that nickname.
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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| Subject: | Pietenpol for dummies thread? |
I'm interested in the plane, maybe building it. If there was a thread that explained
the various "kits" and methods of creating the shapes I would appreciate
it. I'm not a woodworker.
Also, regarding "kits." I understand that the Pietenpol design is more or less
a scratch build. It seems like some entrepreur would have already created a whole
kit with all the parts to sell though. I'd much be flying sooner than later
and pay someone for the leg work. Or if there were a list of parts and where
they can be found thread that would be helpful. I know there's a lot on this
site but it's piecemeal...or maybe I just haven't read enough yet.
Is there a model that I can build that would give me a idea of what the bigger
project is all about?
I've got a ton of questions and will try to find the answers here before posting
the obvious....I hope.
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol for dummies thread? |
Wow, loaded question!
First, it's not KINDA scratchbuilt, it IS scratchbuilt. Many have tried over the
years to offer parts, and some still do, but there's just no money in it, so
it's never escalated to an entire kit.
That being said, there are LOTS AND LOTS of projects out there just waiting for
someone to finish them. There are LOTS of planes out there, terribly out of
date, annual, some damage and never fixed, etc, that are essentially kits.
Many will tell you to be wary, because you don't know the quality of build, blah
blah blah. BUT, if you consider the price of the pieces you are getting that
you CAN verify (turnbuckles, gear, brakes, engines, props, control horns, shackles,
instruments, etc) and it's a good deal, then if you can reuse a fuse,
tail feathers, wing, spar, whatever, it's just bonus.
I recently had an opportunity to buy and ENTIRE FLYABLE (saw it fly!) Piet for
six grand. Can't come close to buying the parts for that.
So, there's something to start with. Actual building advice is definitely piecemeal
in the newsletters and here, but there's a few good vids that are worth
getting to help you start your research.
Welcome aboard. Consider attending Brodhead as a good place to start.
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| Subject: | good reading for anyone flying into Oshkosh |
Some really good stuff in here. Of possible interest.
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http://www.airventure.org/atc/
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| Subject: | Maintain 104 mph or faster..... |
This made me laugh. The bottom line. Even at full throttle (which I
use when flying the
approach into Oshkosh) I don't think I can even hit 90 mph let alone 104 m
ph.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: Maintain 104 mph or faster..... |
You could here ATC sigh when they saw Jack, me and Matt flying in slow motion towards
OSH last year.
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol for dummies thread? |
Welcome to the list, glad2fly. We like to use actual names here (usually), so
it would be great if you could introduce yourself to us.
Tools mentioned the fact that a kit is not economically feasibly. Also, there
are 3 different variations in fuselage length that is a personal decision one
must make. Plus, each builder will add their own personal touches to their build
to accomodate certain needs or wants. A good look at the plans will show
that the plans are somewhat incomplete, so a good bit of extrapolation, intuition
and invention are required to fill in the blanks.
As to building a Pietenpol, it is a tremendous opportunity to learn a whole bunch
of skills that you don't already have and improving some skill sets that you
might already have. Building an airplane is something that people do because
they LIKE to build things, and getting to fly it when you finish it is just
a big bonus. A Piet is more about the journey and those you meet along the way,
and a little bit less about the destination. I purchased my plans in 1995,
but didn't start building anything until 2010. My build is stalled right now
due to some financial issues (two mortgages and a crappy real estate market),
but my journey will eventually continue.
There is an annual gathering of Pietenpol fliers, builders and enthusiasts every
year at Brodhead, Wisconsin. This gathering is actually about to happen July
19-22 and I recommend attending it if at all possible. Lots of completed planes
to look at, and tons of opportunity to take pics and ask questions and maybe
even get a ride in one if you can get a pilot to take pity upon you. Hope
to meet you at Brodhead someday!
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Billy McCaskill
Baker, LA
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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| Subject: | Re: Maintain 104 mph or faster..... |
ATC probably welcomed the slight break from their hectic routine while you all
flew your approach.
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Billy McCaskill
Baker, LA
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: |
You can always send them to me as I am driving up.
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John Francis
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: |
I am also driving road crew to NX899KP,
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Shelley Tumino
IT Girl
wife of "Axel"
NX899KP
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| Subject: | Re: Waldo Pepper pond landing (for real) |
Kevin, At least your airplane was re-usable.- This poor bast@$ totaled hi
s.- I am sure, even though I was not there to see your "Axle Landing", th
at yours was much more graceful.- But I recieve you-10 by 10, Axle-2,
it is.- On a better note I flew another 1.5 hrs on the piet today and th
e exaust is holding up fine, just wish the wife wasn't here when I painted
them, I would've baked them in her oven when she was out of the house.- I
'm not sure if "Cool Gary" is gonna come to Brodhead or not, my grandmother
(His Mom) died last-week and we had the funneral today, so he has a lot
on his plate right now.- If the weather holds out I'll be there.
-
Shad
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--- On Mon, 7/9/12, kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> wrote:
From: kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Waldo Pepper pond landing (for real)
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You may dub him "Axle II" if you wish, Shad.- However, I am the original
Axel.- Endured a lot of pain for that nickname.
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol for dummies thread? |
Hello nameless question-poster,
An entrepreneur DID create kits of parts to build entire Pietenpol aircraft, but
to order one of those kits, you'll first need to get yourself a working time
machine. The kits were sold by a fellow named Bernard Pietenpol, about 75 years
ago.
The only real fast track to getting airborne in a Piet is to buy yourself a flying
one, or buy someone's nearly completed project. Otherwise, it's going to
require about 2000 hours of build time. You don't need to be a master woodworker,
but you do need to have some basic woodworking skills and tools - it is a
wooden plane, after all. You will also need to have (or learn) metalworking
skills, since there are a considerable number of metal parts on this "all wood"
aircraft. You will also need to learn how to weld, or learn how to pay someone
to do your welding for you.
The Pietenpol is one of the least expensive "real" aircraft you can build. But
that's because the hours of work that go into building one are never entered
into the equation. If you keep your hourly "wage" down around one dollar per
hour, you can probably make money building and selling parts.
In short... there are no short cuts. If your main goal is to get into the air
quickly, the Pietenpol probably isn't the right choice for a project. If, on
the other hand, your goal is to build an aircraft with your bare hands (and a
few power tools), and to be able to say "I built every part of this machine myself",
and learn numerous skills along the way, then this is the plane to build.
Bill C.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol for dummies thread? |
Just for a frame of reference. 2000 hours is 40 hours per week for a full year
minus a 2 week vacation. So Really a full work year.
Or 20 hours per week for two years minus a month off. So every weekend for two
years.
I was looking at kits that claimed 500 hours of construction time up through those
that said 2500 hours. I had no idea what that meant so I did the math based
on a work week.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Church <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol for dummies thread?
>
> Hello nameless question-poster,
>
> An entrepreneur DID create kits of parts to build entire Pietenpol aircraft,
but to order one of those kits, you'll first need to get yourself a
> working time machine. The kits were sold by a fellow named Bernard
> Pietenpol, about 75 years ago.
> The only real fast track to getting airborne in a Piet is to buy
> yourself a flying one, or buy someone's nearly completed project.
> Otherwise, it's going to require about 2000 hours of build time.
> You don't need to be a master woodworker, but you do need to have
> some basic woodworking skills and tools - it is a wooden plane,
> after all. You will also need to have (or learn) metalworking
> skills, since there are a considerable number of metal parts on
> this "all wood" aircraft. You will also need to learn how to weld,
> or learn how to pay someone to do your welding for you.
> The Pietenpol is one of the least expensive "real" aircraft you can
> build. But that's because the hours of work that go into building
> one are never entered into the equation. If you keep your hourly
> "wage" down around one dollar per hour, you can probably make money
> building and selling parts.
> In short... there are no short cuts. If your main goal is to get
> into the air quickly, the Pietenpol probably isn't the right choice
> for a project. If, on the other hand, your goal is to build an
> aircraft with your bare hands (and a few power tools), and to be
> able to say "I built every part of this machine myself", and learn
> numerous skills along the way, then this is the plane to build.
>
> Bill C.
>
>
> Bill C.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=377825#377825
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol for dummies thread? |
My name is Jamie and that's my nickname for James (clears up the possible gender
?).
I live in the Denver area (Westminster but moving to Erie).
I was thinking about building an RV-10 to fly the family around but the lower cost
Pietenpol looks interesting. As a matter of fact the plane looks downright
luscious. I'm still going to do the RV-10 but wait until my bank account has
a couple more zeros following. I'd like to spend a lot of time on a hobby but
a lot of time I don't have....for a Sunday flyer.
Maybe I should ask the first person who responded here, tool, where that $6k plane
is and then procede. Having a classic plane to putz around in will be awesome
but putting in 2000 hours for it...there's too many projects that will come
between me and that.
Where's the thread for those needing to back out of their 2000 hr project so I
can swoop in and take over their baby?
If I could drive 15 hrs this weekend to WI I would but that would mean 15 hrs on
the way back. I'd like to go. Is there anyone that is flying and needs company?
Jamie
Bill Church wrote:
> Hello nameless question-poster,
>
> An entrepreneur DID create kits of parts to build entire Pietenpol aircraft,
but to order one of those kits, you'll first need to get yourself a working time
machine. The kits were sold by a fellow named Bernard Pietenpol, about 75
years ago.
> The only real fast track to getting airborne in a Piet is to buy yourself a flying
one, or buy someone's nearly completed project. Otherwise, it's going to
require about 2000 hours of build time. You don't need to be a master woodworker,
but you do need to have some basic woodworking skills and tools - it is
a wooden plane, after all. You will also need to have (or learn) metalworking
skills, since there are a considerable number of metal parts on this "all wood"
aircraft. You will also need to learn how to weld, or learn how to pay someone
to do your welding for you.
> The Pietenpol is one of the least expensive "real" aircraft you can build. But
that's because the hours of work that go into building one are never entered
into the equation. If you keep your hourly "wage" down around one dollar per
hour, you can probably make money building and selling parts.
> In short... there are no short cuts. If your main goal is to get into the air
quickly, the Pietenpol probably isn't the right choice for a project. If, on
the other hand, your goal is to build an aircraft with your bare hands (and
a few power tools), and to be able to say "I built every part of this machine
myself", and learn numerous skills along the way, then this is the plane to build.
>
> Bill C.
>
>
> Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Waldo Pepper pond landing (for real) |
We're sorry for your loss. I hope Cool Gary can break loose, though anyone who's
been through that ordeal understands. We'd love to see him.
Shelley and I are tickled you're coming. We'll take as many Bells as are available.
Be careful and get ready for some "precision" formation flying (same way,
same day).
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| Subject: | Re: Waldo Pepper pond landing (for real) |
{{{sigh}}} one Bell will have to do.... tell Cool Gary we wish he could be there...
we will miss him.
Shelley
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IT Girl
wife of "Axel"
NX899KP
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| Subject: | Re: Brat Fest 2012 |
Ask Susan if there is anything I can bring, or if she would like me to come over
to help setup
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IT Girl
wife of "Axel"
NX899KP
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| Subject: | Re: Well, I was needing to wash my my airplane anyway... |
Well, A few days into this is seeing some progress. The smell on opening
the hangar door, to an untrained nose like mine, could pass for a fresh set
of rubber tires. I started Washing on Saturday afternoon, concentrating on
where I thought the splatter would be, but there was no sign of it on the
nose or bottoms of the wings. It wasn't until I got to the tail that I
found an oily, yellow, fragrant spattering. My solution of dish soap and
vinegar did not seem to cut it. I returned tonight with some "as seen on
TV AWESOME Cleaner and Degreaser" The stain is still present, but it
seemed to lift some of the musk, judging by a surge of richness in the
air. Another .8 hours of cool evening air seems also to have helped,
although there is a reminder when I get down near the "sweet spot" to tie
or untie the tail for starting.
I suppose I'll have to do some more flying...
Andrew Eldredge
Provo, UT
On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 9:07 AM, Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB <
steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil> wrote:
> steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
>
> Skunk spray is a Musk Oil. So you can use a bleach water solution (not
> what I recommend for a plane), the Hydrogen peroxide and baking soda
> solution, or time. Washing it with a good degreaser should help get the oil
> off.
>
> As for tomato juice, it really only desensitizes the person bathing the
> child/dog and does not get rid of the smell.
>
> As well as the other home remedies try this:
>
> Put a lots of charcoal around, inside and so on. It absorbs a lot of odors.
>
> I would fly the thing. Let the air get rid of that smell.
>
> If you use the above remedies it will go away in about two weeks,
> otherwise it will remain for 14 days.
>
> OT
> Had an Irish setter try to get a skunk and he had his mouth open and must
> have inhaled when the skunk sprayed. He survived but for about 3 days he
> was one unhappy dog For about two weeks everytime he sighed we smelled
> skunk.
>
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
> Date: Saturday, July 7, 2012 18:15
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Well, I was needing to wash my my airplane
> anyway...
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
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>
> >
> > Sorry, Andrew, but that's absolutely hysterical!
> >
> > "Nothin's truly funny until someone gets hurt."
> >
> > Best to your lovely family.
> >
> > do not arcive
> >
> > --------
> > Kevin "Axel" Purtee
> > NX899KP
> > Austin/San Marcos, TX
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
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> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=377556#377556
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| Subject: | Re: Well, I was needing to wash my my airplane anyway... |
Been there, done that, a rag soaked in mineral spirits should remove,
follow with a little Simple Green
Ryan
On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 12:09 AM, Andrew Eldredge <andrew.eldredge@gmail.com
> wrote:
> Well, A few days into this is seeing some progress. The smell on opening
> the hangar door, to an untrained nose like mine, could pass for a fresh set
> of rubber tires. I started Washing on Saturday afternoon, concentrating on
> where I thought the splatter would be, but there was no sign of it on the
> nose or bottoms of the wings. It wasn't until I got to the tail that I
> found an oily, yellow, fragrant spattering. My solution of dish soap and
> vinegar did not seem to cut it. I returned tonight with some "as seen on
> TV AWESOME Cleaner and Degreaser" The stain is still present, but it
> seemed to lift some of the musk, judging by a surge of richness in the
> air. Another .8 hours of cool evening air seems also to have helped,
> although there is a reminder when I get down near the "sweet spot" to tie
> or untie the tail for starting.
>
> I suppose I'll have to do some more flying...
>
> Andrew Eldredge
> Provo, UT
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 9:07 AM, Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB <
> steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil> wrote:
>
>> steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
>>
>>
>> Skunk spray is a Musk Oil. So you can use a bleach water solution (not
>> what I recommend for a plane), the Hydrogen peroxide and baking soda
>> solution, or time. Washing it with a good degreaser should help get the oil
>> off.
>>
>> As for tomato juice, it really only desensitizes the person bathing the
>> child/dog and does not get rid of the smell.
>>
>> As well as the other home remedies try this:
>>
>> Put a lots of charcoal around, inside and so on. It absorbs a lot of
>> odors.
>>
>> I would fly the thing. Let the air get rid of that smell.
>>
>> If you use the above remedies it will go away in about two weeks,
>> otherwise it will remain for 14 days.
>>
>> OT
>> Had an Irish setter try to get a skunk and he had his mouth open and must
>> have inhaled when the skunk sprayed. He survived but for about 3 days he
>> was one unhappy dog For about two weeks everytime he sighed we smelled
>> skunk.
>>
>> Blue Skies,
>> Steve D
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
>> Date: Saturday, July 7, 2012 18:15
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Well, I was needing to wash my my airplane
>> anyway...
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Sorry, Andrew, but that's absolutely hysterical!
>> >
>> > "Nothin's truly funny until someone gets hurt."
>> >
>> > Best to your lovely family.
>> >
>> > do not arcive
>> >
>> > --------
>> > Kevin "Axel" Purtee
>> > NX899KP
>> > Austin/San Marcos, TX
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Read this topic online here:
>> >
>> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=377556#377556
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>> >
>> >
>> >
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