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1. 12:46 AM - Re: Pietenpol for dummies thread? (aussiegeorge)
2. 02:51 AM - Re: Pietenpol for dummies thread? (bubbleboy)
3. 05:30 AM - Re: Re: Brat Fest 2012 (Jack@textors.com)
4. 07:20 AM - Re: Inside Or Under Fabric? (Michael Perez)
5. 08:20 AM - Piet Wood Kit for Sale (Jeff Gaulden)
6. 09:12 AM - Forecast for next Thursday in Brodhead (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
7. 10:33 AM - Re: Re: Straight Axle Stops (Jack Phillips)
8. 11:08 AM - Re: Pietenpol for dummies thread? (glad2fly)
9. 11:13 AM - Re: Re: Maintain 104 mph or faster..... (Jack Phillips)
10. 11:37 AM - Re: Re: Pietenpol for dummies thread? (Jack Phillips)
11. 03:15 PM - Re: Pietenpol for dummies thread? (glad2fly)
12. 03:37 PM - Re: Re: Pietenpol for dummies thread? (Amsafetyc)
13. 05:49 PM - Re: Piet Wood Kit for Sale (Ryan Mueller)
14. 05:59 PM - Re: Piet Wood Kit for Sale (Dgaul9463979)
15. 06:43 PM - Re: Re: Straight Axle Stops (l.morlock)
16. 06:57 PM - Re: Forecast for next Thursday in Brodhead (Dan Yocum)
17. 07:12 PM - Re: Piet Wood Kit for Sale (echobravo4)
18. 08:47 PM - Re: Forecast for next Thursday in Brodhead (Rick)
19. 09:16 PM - Re: Forecast for next Thursday in Brodhead (Gary Boothe)
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol for dummies thread? |
I do still have a set of the fittings for the flappy things elevator rudder etc.
I am allmost ready to cut out the .063 bits for the pulley brackets and the rest
of the flappie things fittings. The
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol for dummies thread? |
Hi George...email me with what you got! I am making the control system right now
and swinging a hacksaw around the garage.
Scotty
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Tamworth, Australia
Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
Tail and Ribs built...Building control system and about to start fuselage...Corvair
engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified.
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| Subject: | Re: Brat Fest 2012 |
Thanks Shelley! A couple of chopped onions would be great!
Jack Textor
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On Jul 9, 2012, at 10:19 PM, "IT Girl" <shlizbth@gmail.com> wrote:
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| Subject: | Re: Inside Or Under Fabric? |
Thanks Ben. I like the conduit idea because if you need to replace something in
there, you may be able to fish out the old and in the new like pulling wires
in a house...without major damage to the fabric.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Piet Wood Kit for Sale |
I have a new kid and no time anymore to build. I need to sell the kit
that I ordered. I don't have an entire inventory list but it is the kit
that came from Aircraft Spruce. The only missing material is for the two
sides of the fuselage, the rest is all there. I also have several 4X8
sheets of mahogany to go with it. I'm located 30 minutes east of
Brodhead, and will also be at Oshkosh. Contact me by email first if
interested or to make an offer.
* Fuselage kit (Partial; less the four longerons and some
1X1 1X3/4 material)
* Fin & rudder kit
* Stab & elevator kit
* Wing kit
* Several sheets of mahogany
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| Subject: | Forecast for next Thursday in Brodhead |
Bring your ice cubes!
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| Subject: | Re: Straight Axle Stops |
Larry,
I thought you had a hangar at the North Vernon airport?
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of l.morlock
Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2012 10:55 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Straight Axle Stops
Thanks for the input. Glad to hear from both Tools and Douwe that they have
used this method successfully. I think I will go ahead with that set-up.
Earl: I guess my picture was a bit misleading. That is excess brake cable
that appears to be going to the front gear strut. The cable that will
tether the brake caliper isn't installed yet, but will go to the rear gear
strut.
Tools: While it is true it will stop the caliper bracket from rotating, the
bracket is attached to the axle, so it will also stop the axle from
rotating. Do you have a picture of your set-up?
Douwe: My caliper support bracket is not what I would call heavy duty, but
as you can see from the picture, my brake rotors are fairly thick, so I
think this also would help withstand the side load. I didn't think of the
fact that the cable will want to rotate the axle a bit when it goes up and
down. What allowance would I have to make for this in the cable routing?
As usual, I'm making slow but steady progress on my Piet. I'm finishing up
the coaming at the moment. Next job is to find a place for the Piet on an
airport, as I'm still in the pole barn off-airport (see attached foto).
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: "tools" <n0kkj@yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2012 8:32 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Straight Axle Stops
>
> Well, the setup you're mentioning really stops the caliper bracket from
> rotating, not the axle, right?
>
> If so, that's the setup mine has, and it works just fine. I don't see any
> noticable side force and havn't had the axle move back and forth at all.
>
> My cables hook to the gear plates on the outside, keeping it as inline as
> possible. Looks like it runs to the inside, if it's the cable and not a
> brake line, in the pic.
>
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> Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol for dummies thread? |
wow, interesting response
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| Subject: | Re: Maintain 104 mph or faster..... |
Yeah, they sighed at Fisk, and then by the time we actually got to the
pattern at OSH they had forgotten about us. They were much more interested
in the warbirds coming to make a low pass. I got a lot closer to a Corsair
than I EVER wanted to be.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kevinpurtee
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 5:44 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Maintain 104 mph or faster.....
--> <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
You could here ATC sigh when they saw Jack, me and Matt flying in slow
motion towards OSH last year.
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NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol for dummies thread? |
Perhaps I can answer some of your questions, since I have built a Pietenpol
and am now building an RV-10. There are some interesting comparisons
between the two:
Item Pietenpol RV-10
Hours to Build 2500 2500
New Skills to learn >10 1 (riveting)
Cruise Speed 65 mph 200 mph
# of seats 2 4
Cost to Build $15,000 $135,000 (typ)
Cost to Fly $20/hr $85/hr
Number of Everybody Nobody
people who will
come out on the
ramp to see
your new plane
In short, I thoroughly enjoyed the build process with my Pietenpol. I
learned a huge number of new skills (including wood-working, welding,
metal-cutting, jig-building, rigging, fabric covering, painting, riveting,
sheet-metal work, wiring, engine building, aircraft assembly, etc). The
RV-10 on the other hand I find tedious. The main skill required is riveting
(there are over 25,000 rivets in an RV-10, and each requires clecoing,
match-drilling, unclecoing, deburring, dimpling (if for a flush rivet),
reclecoing and finally either squeezing or bucking the rivet). All the fun
part of the job is done for you by the factory. You get to do the tedious
grunt work of assembly. Oh, and there's the cost. Van's touts an "expected
build price" of about $75,000 for an RV-10, but so far I don't know of a
single one that has been built for less than $125,000. My goal is to be the
first to build one for under $100K.
I will enjoy travelling in the RV-10 whenever I get it finished, but it will
never have my heart like my Pietenpol does. Don't get me wrong - RV's are
great airplanes. I have an RV-4 and used it this weekend for my wife and me
to fly up near Buffalo NY, where we visited with Rob Busch (an excellent
Pietenpol builder) and toured Niagara Falls. Now I'm back home in Virginia
after only 2.5 hours of flying time - you can't do that in a Pietenpol. If
I go to Brodhead this year, it will be in the RV-4 because I can make the
trip in 4 hours, vs 14 hours and an overnight stay in a hotel in the
Pietenpol. But it won't be anywhere near as much fun.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of glad2fly
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 10:39 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol for dummies thread?
My name is Jamie and that's my nickname for James (clears up the possible
gender ?).
I live in the Denver area (Westminster but moving to Erie).
I was thinking about building an RV-10 to fly the family around but the
lower cost Pietenpol looks interesting. As a matter of fact the plane looks
downright luscious. I'm still going to do the RV-10 but wait until my bank
account has a couple more zeros following. I'd like to spend a lot of time
on a hobby but a lot of time I don't have....for a Sunday flyer.
Maybe I should ask the first person who responded here, tool, where that $6k
plane is and then procede. Having a classic plane to putz around in will be
awesome but putting in 2000 hours for it...there's too many projects that
will come between me and that.
Where's the thread for those needing to back out of their 2000 hr project so
I can swoop in and take over their baby?
If I could drive 15 hrs this weekend to WI I would but that would mean 15
hrs on the way back. I'd like to go. Is there anyone that is flying and
needs company?
Jamie
Bill Church wrote:
> Hello nameless question-poster,
>
> An entrepreneur DID create kits of parts to build entire Pietenpol
aircraft, but to order one of those kits, you'll first need to get yourself
a working time machine. The kits were sold by a fellow named Bernard
Pietenpol, about 75 years ago.
> The only real fast track to getting airborne in a Piet is to buy yourself
a flying one, or buy someone's nearly completed project. Otherwise, it's
going to require about 2000 hours of build time. You don't need to be a
master woodworker, but you do need to have some basic woodworking skills and
tools - it is a wooden plane, after all. You will also need to have (or
learn) metalworking skills, since there are a considerable number of metal
parts on this "all wood" aircraft. You will also need to learn how to weld,
or learn how to pay someone to do your welding for you.
> The Pietenpol is one of the least expensive "real" aircraft you can build.
But that's because the hours of work that go into building one are never
entered into the equation. If you keep your hourly "wage" down around one
dollar per hour, you can probably make money building and selling parts.
> In short... there are no short cuts. If your main goal is to get into the
air quickly, the Pietenpol probably isn't the right choice for a project.
If, on the other hand, your goal is to build an aircraft with your bare
hands (and a few power tools), and to be able to say "I built every part of
this machine myself", and learn numerous skills along the way, then this is
the plane to build.
>
> Bill C.
>
>
> Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol for dummies thread? |
Jack, thanks for that comparison. I did the control surface practice kit for the
RV and liked doing the rivets. And I've looked at the riveting needed on them.
It is pretty significant.
As far as what attracts other people when the RV-10 wing doors are open I think
it gets some looks but otherwise it's not exactly eye-popping. I guess that's
why I like the Pietenpol and the history behind it.
What do you think about building more than one at the same time? Or maybe just
cut the pieces and then sell that as a ready to fasten kit. Seems like there's
someone out there (besides me) looking for a "quick build."
Jamie
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol for dummies thread? |
Jamie
If I may interject from my own experience. Looking for a kit or or having someone
cut one out for you really takes away from the total experience of milling
you own pieces and learning that if there is an error along the way you can just
mill out another piece. I have to also applaud your taste in aircraft by choosing
a Piet it's a classic head turner.
I am building and have done all of the cutting, milling and fitting of everything
except the wing ribs. At that time I too was looking for the fast build however
the more I worked and the greater sense of accomplishment I felt. It went
from building an airplane to fly to the journey of building a custom designed
hand made aircraft. Once you make the transition than the project takes on
its own life with you as the master craftsman a Gipetto if you will.
You can easily buy a second hand Piet from a builder as many have done, you can
buy an incomplete project or you can buy your plans and make the journey.
It's hard to beat custom built hand made to the builders design and delight.
Just my opinion
Do not archive all the builders already know from which I speak
John
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 10, 2012, at 6:13 PM, "glad2fly" <jamie@drjordan.us> wrote:
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> Jack, thanks for that comparison. I did the control surface practice kit for
the RV and liked doing the rivets. And I've looked at the riveting needed on them.
It is pretty significant.
>
> As far as what attracts other people when the RV-10 wing doors are open I think
it gets some looks but otherwise it's not exactly eye-popping. I guess that's
why I like the Pietenpol and the history behind it.
>
> What do you think about building more than one at the same time? Or maybe just
cut the pieces and then sell that as a ready to fasten kit. Seems like there's
someone out there (besides me) looking for a "quick build."
>
> Jamie
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| Subject: | Re: Piet Wood Kit for Sale |
To be clear, by "kits" you mean you have dimensional spruce and plywood for
sale....
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On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Jeff Gaulden <jeff.gaulden@ryancentral.co
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> wrote:
> I have a new kid and no time anymore to build. I need to sell the kit tha
t
> I ordered. I don=92t have an entire inventory list but it is the kit tha
t
> came from Aircraft Spruce. The only missing material is for the two sides
> of the fuselage, the rest is all there. I also have several 4X8 sheets of
> mahogany to go with it. I=92m located 30 minutes east of Brodhead, and wi
ll
> also be at Oshkosh. Contact me by email first if interested or to make an
> offer. ****
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> - Fuselage kit (Partial; less the four longerons and some 1
X1
> 1X3/4 material)****
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> - Fin & rudder kit****
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> - Stab & elevator kit****
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| Subject: | Re: Piet Wood Kit for Sale |
Ryan, that is correct, dimensional spruce. Everything is uncut and basically still
in the box. I didn't get far into the project.
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| Subject: | Re: Straight Axle Stops |
Nope. I used to have a T-Hangar at North Vernon, but now based at Columbus,
IN airport (BAK), as it is only a half mile from my home. North Vernon is
still an option for my Piet, as it has a grass strip and T-Hangers are
readily available, but with no doors and 15 miles away. I'm hoping to find
something at BAK.
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 1:32 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Straight Axle Stops
> <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
>
> Larry,
>
> I thought you had a hangar at the North Vernon airport?
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of l.morlock
> Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2012 10:55 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Straight Axle Stops
>
> Thanks for the input. Glad to hear from both Tools and Douwe that they
> have
> used this method successfully. I think I will go ahead with that set-up.
>
> Earl: I guess my picture was a bit misleading. That is excess brake
> cable
> that appears to be going to the front gear strut. The cable that will
> tether the brake caliper isn't installed yet, but will go to the rear gear
> strut.
>
> Tools: While it is true it will stop the caliper bracket from rotating,
> the
> bracket is attached to the axle, so it will also stop the axle from
> rotating. Do you have a picture of your set-up?
>
> Douwe: My caliper support bracket is not what I would call heavy duty,
> but
> as you can see from the picture, my brake rotors are fairly thick, so I
> think this also would help withstand the side load. I didn't think of the
> fact that the cable will want to rotate the axle a bit when it goes up and
> down. What allowance would I have to make for this in the cable routing?
>
> As usual, I'm making slow but steady progress on my Piet. I'm finishing
> up
> the coaming at the moment. Next job is to find a place for the Piet on an
> airport, as I'm still in the pole barn off-airport (see attached foto).
>
> Larry
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "tools" <n0kkj@yahoo.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2012 8:32 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Straight Axle Stops
>
>
>>
>> Well, the setup you're mentioning really stops the caliper bracket from
>> rotating, not the axle, right?
>>
>> If so, that's the setup mine has, and it works just fine. I don't see
>> any
>
>> noticable side force and havn't had the axle move back and forth at all.
>>
>> My cables hook to the gear plates on the outside, keeping it as inline as
>> possible. Looks like it runs to the inside, if it's the cable and not a
>> brake line, in the pic.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=377565#377565
>>
>>
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>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Forecast for next Thursday in Brodhead |
I'll have mine down my shorts.
Do NOT archive
--
Dan Yocum
yocum137@gmail.com
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
On Jul 10, 2012, at 11:11 AM, "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, L
LC]"<michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> wrote:
> Bring your ice cubes!
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> Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Piet Wood Kit for Sale |
A spruce tree could ask be considered a kit though
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Earl Brown
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I
intended to be.
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| Subject: | Re: Forecast for next Thursday in Brodhead |
Since I have been struggling with 105 degree plus temps in the hangar as I w
orked on rib stitching, sleeping in a tent at Brodhead in the same weather i
s losing some of its appeal. Does anyone have telephone numbers for some of t
he local motels?
As a progress report, I probably had one of my last Tech Counselor inspectio
ns tonight. I have all my control surfaces covered, all the tail feathers an
d the left wing. Tomorrow I start putting fabric on the right wing. I'm also
close to my first engine start. Once that is done, then it's time for cover
ing the fuselage, then it's time for paint. It's possible I could be ready f
or first flight by October but early spring is more realistic.
Rick Schreiber
NX478RS
Valparaiso, IN
Sent from my iPad
On Jul 10, 2012, at 11:11 AM, "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, L
LC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> wrote:
> Bring your ice cubes!
>
> Do not archive
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| Subject: | Forecast for next Thursday in Brodhead |
Good progress report, Rick! See you at Brodhead!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 8:48 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Forecast for next Thursday in Brodhead
Since I have been struggling with 105 degree plus temps in the hangar as
I worked on rib stitching, sleeping in a tent at Brodhead in the same
weather is losing some of its appeal. Does anyone have telephone numbers
for some of the local motels?
As a progress report, I probably had one of my last Tech Counselor
inspections tonight. I have all my control surfaces covered, all the
tail feathers and the left wing. Tomorrow I start putting fabric on the
right wing. I'm also close to my first engine start. Once that is done,
then it's time for covering the fuselage, then it's time for paint. It's
possible I could be ready for first flight by October but early spring
is more realistic.
Rick Schreiber
NX478RS
Valparaiso, IN
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On Jul 10, 2012, at 11:11 AM, "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage
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Bring your ice cubes!
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