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1. 03:02 AM - Re: Throwing in the towel! (Bill Church)
2. 03:33 AM - Re: Throwing in the towel! (Jack)
3. 04:42 AM - Re: Throwing in the towel! (Jack Phillips)
4. 05:43 AM - Old Brodhead Pictures (DaveG601XL)
5. 05:56 AM - Re: Old Brodhead Pictures (Gary Boothe)
6. 06:30 AM - old Bhead pics-- propping a Corvair (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
7. 06:46 AM - Re: Pietenpol for dummies thread? (Michael Perez)
8. 06:53 AM - Re: Throwing in the towel! (kevinpurtee)
9. 06:59 AM - Re: Old Brodhead Pictures (DO NOT ARCHIVE)
10. 07:00 AM - Re: Pietenpol for dummies thread? (Amsafetyc)
11. 07:13 AM - Re: Throwing in the towel! (DO NOT ARCHIVE)
12. 07:19 AM - Re: Old Brodhead Pictures (l.morlock)
13. 07:28 AM - Re: MOVING DAY!!! (helspersew@aol.com)
14. 07:30 AM - Re: Throwing in the towel! (helspersew@aol.com)
15. 07:42 AM - Re: Pietenpol for dummies thread? (tools)
16. 07:45 AM - Re: Old Brodhead Pictures (skipgadd@earthlink.net)
17. 07:51 AM - Re: question for the radio geeks (scudrun)
18. 07:55 AM - Re: Re: Throwing in the towel! (Jack Phillips)
19. 08:27 AM - Engine Work (Michael Perez)
20. 08:58 AM - Re: Re: Throwing in the towel! (Gene Rambo)
21. 09:56 AM - Re: Engine Work (Jack@textors.com)
22. 10:25 AM - Re: Re: question for the radio geeks (Ken Bickers)
23. 10:34 AM - Re: Engine Work (Michael Perez)
24. 12:27 PM - Re: Pietenpol for dummies thread? (glad2fly)
25. 02:13 PM - Re: Re: Pietenpol for dummies thread? (Amsafetyc)
26. 02:23 PM - Corvair core (Pilot78)
27. 02:37 PM - Re: Pietenpol for dummies thread? (K5YAC)
28. 02:40 PM - Ramping up for Brodhead (Lawrence Williams)
29. 02:45 PM - Re: question for the radio geeks (scudrun)
30. 03:16 PM - Re: Re: Pietenpol for dummies thread? (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
31. 03:39 PM - Airworthiness Certificate !!! (Michael Groah)
32. 04:47 PM - Re: Airworthiness Certificate !!! (Jim Boyer)
33. 04:48 PM - Re: Airworthiness Certificate !!! (Gary Boothe)
34. 05:03 PM - Re: Corvair core (Ben Charvet)
35. 05:55 PM - Re: Airworthiness Certificate !!! (Bill Church)
36. 06:03 PM - Re: Airworthiness Certificate !!! (Jerry Dotson)
37. 06:09 PM - Re: Corvair core (John Francis)
38. 06:15 PM - Re: Airworthiness Certificate !!! (Jack Phillips)
39. 07:34 PM - Re: Airworthiness Certificate !!! (Rick)
40. 08:31 PM - Re: Airworthiness Certificate !!! (kevinpurtee)
41. 09:33 PM - Re: Pietenpol for dummies thread? (K5YAC)
42. 09:39 PM - Re: Airworthiness Certificate !!! (K5YAC)
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| Subject: | Re: Throwing in the towel! |
Sure looks good, Gene.
You know what color would go nicely with a black fuselage? ...
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Throwing in the towel! |
Gene great shots thanks. Be sure to stop in for a brat Friday at 11:30.
Jack Textor
DSM
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 11:07 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Throwing in the towel!
OK, Guys, as Jack and Matt have reported, I am officially throwing in the
towel. Despite my best efforts, my Piet will not be making the trip this
year. Will and I, however, will be there! I am attaching a few photos to
show the progress. I am sending some of the wing rotating jig I built. I
am ready to paint the wing. The other photos show the last test-fit of the
sheet metal before paint. I put the first coat of color on the tail
surfaces and ailerons today. Before we leave for Brodhead, I expect that
the tail will all be installed and rigged, leaving only the wing and sheet
metal to paint. The wheels I am using (not in the photo) are fabric covered
and being painted with the tail. Since these photos, I have finished
plumbing the engine, and it is ready to run but for the exhaust stacks.
I gave it my best effort!! See you all next week!!
Gene
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| Subject: | Throwing in the towel! |
This Pietenpol is going to become the new standard for the purists. Even
the cables have wrapped and soldered ends - no nicopress fittings or
swagings for Gene! And all the hardware is cad-plated, but with the silver
cadmium plating as was done in the 1930's, not the gold colored stuff we
have now. I have no idea where Gene had to go to find the hardware.
Absolutely beautiful job, Gene. I will be proud to fly alongside such a
ship next year on the way to Brodhead.
Hope to see you there next week. I won't know until Wednesday whether I'm
coming or not, but I do know that if I come, it won't be by Pietenpol.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 12:07 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Throwing in the towel!
OK, Guys, as Jack and Matt have reported, I am officially throwing in the
towel. Despite my best efforts, my Piet will not be making the trip this
year. Will and I, however, will be there! I am attaching a few photos to
show the progress. I am sending some of the wing rotating jig I built. I
am ready to paint the wing. The other photos show the last test-fit of the
sheet metal before paint. I put the first coat of color on the tail
surfaces and ailerons today. Before we leave for Brodhead, I expect that
the tail will all be installed and rigged, leaving only the wing and sheet
metal to paint. The wheels I am using (not in the photo) are fabric covered
and being painted with the tail. Since these photos, I have finished
plumbing the engine, and it is ready to run but for the exhaust stacks.
I gave it my best effort!! See you all next week!!
Gene
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| Subject: | Old Brodhead Pictures |
Here is another something to get us into the Brodhead state of mind. I was going
through some of my old photo albums and pulled out some pictures I took there
in 1983. This was the year after my father bought a partially completed GN-1
Aircamper project so we drove up to Brodhead for the day. I apologize for
the quality. Since my scanner is no longer working I used a digital camera to
take pictures of the pictures.
Maybe someone can shed some light on the aircraft in the pictures.
- The under-construction picture with the radial engine was one that really caught
my eye.
- As I recall, the shot of the Corvair engine being hand propped has a crowd behind
it because it was not starting. There was plenty of suggestions on how to
get it started. I believe they did eventually get it running.
- I looked up the FAA registry on N3265 in the taxiing shot and it was exported
to England in 1990.
See you all there next week,
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David Gallagher
Zodiac 601 XL-B: flying, 200+ hours now
Next project under construction: Aircamper
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| Subject: | Old Brodhead Pictures |
Those were great, David! Isn't that a much younger Mike Cuy propping that
Corvair?
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DaveG601XL
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 5:43 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Old Brodhead Pictures
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Here is another something to get us into the Brodhead state of mind. I was
going through some of my old photo albums and pulled out some pictures I
took there in 1983. This was the year after my father bought a partially
completed GN-1 Aircamper project so we drove up to Brodhead for the day. I
apologize for the quality. Since my scanner is no longer working I used a
digital camera to take pictures of the pictures.
Maybe someone can shed some light on the aircraft in the pictures.
- The under-construction picture with the radial engine was one that really
caught my eye.
- As I recall, the shot of the Corvair engine being hand propped has a crowd
behind it because it was not starting. There was plenty of suggestions on
how to get it started. I believe they did eventually get it running.
- I looked up the FAA registry on N3265 in the taxiing shot and it was
exported to England in 1990.
See you all there next week,
--------
David Gallagher
Zodiac 601 XL-B: flying, 200+ hours now
Next project under construction: Aircamper
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| Subject: | old Bhead pics-- propping a Corvair |
That's not me propping Duane Tulba's silver and black Corvair Pietenpol though
I do remember him
flying it into Brodhead several times. I also never swing my leg when hand
propping like that gentleman
was shown doing-- I step backward and pull down..but I digress.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol for dummies thread? |
Jamie, welcome to the Pietenpol list.
- As already mentioned, the Pietenpol does not come in kit form, it is bu
ilt from plans purchased from the Pietenpol family.- I believe there are
about 14-16 pages of plans depending on if you build the three piece wing a
nd straight axle landing gear.- The plans include provisions to install C
ub type landing gear as well as model A Ford, Corvair or Continental engine
s.
Places like Aircraft Spruce sell wood kits...packages of wood already cut t
o build the various parts of the plane...but not everything is included in
these kits and you still need to cut the pieces to the proper length to fit
.- Plywood kits need to be cut to shape. This is as close to a full plane
kit as you will find. You will also need to build your own jigs for duplic
ating the wing ribs, fuselage, engine mount, etc.
There are those who offer metal pieces and parts custom made for you, but I
have not used such parts and can't attest to the quality and cost.
There is no detailed model that I am aware of to build that would simulate
building the real plane.
The plane truly is built- from scratch...as said before...some more then
others, and they are all unique, works of art.
I am sure you will figure out what is right for you and if you choose to pr
oceeded with the Pietenpol, don't be shy to ask questions and seek help fro
m this list.
Michael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Throwing in the towel! |
That's spectacular, Gene!
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Old Brodhead Pictures |
Thanks for the trip down memory lane! The best part of these pictures is that
it shows how little the Brodhead Pietenpol reunion has changed.
The red ship (N3265) was built by Hosea (SP?) Challis, and had been modified
just enough that he thought it appropriate to call it a Challis "Chaffinch" rather
than a Pietenpol Air Camper.
I remember seeing Ed Sampson & Francis Saunders' LeBlond powered Air Camper under
construction at about that time as well. I need to dig out some of my old
pics too. I know I have a really good one with Allen Rudolf and some skinny
kid (me) in front of N13691 in 1985 or so.
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol for dummies thread? |
Some of the best information and advice has already been provided however, I will
share it with you again at the risk or repeating it for others that already
know it. Which amounts to every builder on the list.
"Don't over think it, just start building!"
For about 20 bucks and a few hours you can build a mock up and see what you think
or you can continue down your current path and by next year at this time you
will have wasted a year and accomplished nothing.
If you want real life then we will see you in Brodhead in 7 days.
John
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On Jul 9, 2012, at 2:43 PM, "glad2fly" <jamie@drjordan.us> wrote:
>
> I'm interested in the plane, maybe building it. If there was a thread that explained
the various "kits" and methods of creating the shapes I would appreciate
it. I'm not a woodworker.
>
> Also, regarding "kits." I understand that the Pietenpol design is more or less
a scratch build. It seems like some entrepreur would have already created a
whole kit with all the parts to sell though. I'd much be flying sooner than later
and pay someone for the leg work. Or if there were a list of parts and where
they can be found thread that would be helpful. I know there's a lot on this
site but it's piecemeal...or maybe I just haven't read enough yet.
>
> Is there a model that I can build that would give me a idea of what the bigger
project is all about?
>
> I've got a ton of questions and will try to find the answers here before posting
the obvious....I hope.
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| Subject: | Re: Throwing in the towel! |
[quote="pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net"]This Pietenpol is going to become the new standard
for the purists.
> [b]
You aren't kidding! Gene's cowling is pretty sweet too. If I can get some time
to focus on it, there could easily be another Ford powered Piet joining the
mix from VA next year.
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| Subject: | Re: Old Brodhead Pictures |
A friend of mine gave me the attached picture of Allen Rudolf and 13691
taken at Oshkosh many years ago.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "DO NOT ARCHIVE" <bphillip@SHENTEL.NET>
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 9:59 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Old Brodhead Pictures
> <bphillip@shentel.net>
>
> Thanks for the trip down memory lane! The best part of these pictures is
> that it shows how little the Brodhead Pietenpol reunion has changed.
> The red ship (N3265) was built by Hosea (SP?) Challis, and had been
> modified just enough that he thought it appropriate to call it a Challis
> "Chaffinch" rather than a Pietenpol Air Camper.
> I remember seeing Ed Sampson & Francis Saunders' LeBlond powered Air
> Camper under construction at about that time as well. I need to dig out
> some of my old pics too. I know I have a really good one with Allen
> Rudolf and some skinny kid (me) in front of N13691 in 1985 or so.
>
> --------
> Brett Phillips
> PLEASE DO NOT ARCHIVE!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=378085#378085
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| Subject: | Re: MOVING DAY!!! |
Douwe,
Congratulations!! What a great feeling it must be.....again!!
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL
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-----Original Message-----
From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
Sent: Wed, Jul 11, 2012 1:56 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: MOVING DAY!!!
Well, looks like Monday is the big moving day!
The wings are already there, but on Monday we plan to movethe rest over as
she=99s pretty much done.
We=99ll get the wings hung on Monday so it=99s readyfor my retu
rn from Brodhead.
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: Throwing in the towel! |
Gene,
As Jack has stated, a new standard is about to be set!! Fantastic!! See yo
u at Brodhead!
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL
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-----Original Message-----
From: Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com>
Sent: Wed, Jul 11, 2012 11:08 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Throwing in the towel!
OK, Guys, as Jack and Matt have reported, I am officially throwing in the t
owel. Despite my best efforts, my Piet will not be making the trip this ye
ar. Will and I, however, will be there! I am attaching a few photos to sh
ow the progress. I am sending some of the wing rotating jig I built. I am
ready to paint the wing. The other photos show the last test-fit of the s
heet metal before paint. I put the first coat of color on the tail surface
s and ailerons today. Before we leave for Brodhead, I expect that the tail
will all be installed and rigged, leaving only the wing and sheet metal to
paint. The wheels I am using (not in the photo) are fabric covered and be
ing painted with the tail. Since these photos, I have finished plumbing th
e engine, and it is ready to run but for the exhaust stacks.
I gave it my best effort!! See you all next week!!
Gene
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol for dummies thread? |
Hey Jamie,
There are lots of Piet models out there too, however, I wouldn't consider any of
those useful for insight into building a piet. The design IS particularly well
suited for duplicating in 1/3 or 1/4 scale, which would give you an idea of
how one goes together.
Years ago I saw a 1/4 scale model a ford on ebay... THAT would be cool!
>From what I gather about your point of view, finding a partial complete is probably
a good way for you to go. While ALL homebuilts have uniqueness, there are
a couple of aspects about the Piet which are more substantial than most other
designs. Primarily the engine, fuse length and gear. I'd highly recommend
Brodhead or just finding some other venue with examples of these differences
so you can determine how close to the configuration you desire, the project would
be, which will help you determine it's worth to you.
I'll dig around and see if I can find the contact info the Piet I referred to earlier.
I'd have bought it, but timing was bad. I bought a flying Piet last
year as well (hope to have it at brodhead) which was EXACTLY the configuration
I wanted save the engine (though since I've decided it's definitely the engine
I want, an A-65). I think it was a great way to go, my son (now 18yrs) and
I are really having the time of our lives with the plane, and it's firmly cementing
in my mind, the configuration of the plane I am building.
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| Subject: | Old Brodhead Pictures |
Very cool pictures Dave,
The 929 picture is the Ted Davis, Dick Weeden and Francis Saunders LaBlond
Piet. I believe it is still on the field with an A model. Jack Cox wrote an
article in Sport Aviation April 1990 including this Piet.
The 730 picture is Duane Tulba's Piet. That is his brother in law Tim
Shefjak with the prop. That Corvair with blower fan could be hard to start.
Duane brought it to Brodhead for over 10 years, but don't think it has
flown in a while. Duane and Tim still come to Brodhead.
The 996 picture is Verl Deal's Corvair Piet, it came to Brodhead a lot of
years and Verl still comes. As of last year he was still working on another
Corvair Piet for his son in law, good guy.
Skip
> [Original Message]
> From: DaveG601XL <david.m.gallagher@ge.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 7/12/2012 8:45:07 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Old Brodhead Pictures
>
<david.m.gallagher@ge.com>
>
> Here is another something to get us into the Brodhead state of mind. I
was going through some of my old photo albums and pulled out some pictures
I took there in 1983. This was the year after my father bought a partially
completed GN-1 Aircamper project so we drove up to Brodhead for the day. I
apologize for the quality. Since my scanner is no longer working I used a
digital camera to take pictures of the pictures.
>
> Maybe someone can shed some light on the aircraft in the pictures.
> - The under-construction picture with the radial engine was one that
really caught my eye.
> - As I recall, the shot of the Corvair engine being hand propped has a
crowd behind it because it was not starting. There was plenty of
suggestions on how to get it started. I believe they did eventually get it
running.
> - I looked up the FAA registry on N3265 in the taxiing shot and it was
exported to England in 1990.
>
> See you all there next week,
>
> --------
> David Gallagher
> Zodiac 601 XL-B: flying, 200+ hours now
> Next project under construction: Aircamper
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=378078#378078
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> http://forums.matronics.com//files/brodhead1983_01_996.jpg
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| Subject: | Re: question for the radio geeks |
I got to agree with K5YAC here. I have spent as much time building radio transcievers
and antennas as people spend building Pietenpols. Yes I'm that radio geek
someone was looking for. If the antenna feedpoint has the same impedance as
the feed line then the length of the feedline is only going to affect loss and
has nothing to do with tuning. However in the real world antennas even if they
are perfectly tuned, change their tune when something comes near them, and
it all gets complicated. What people need is something that is simple and that
works reasonably well and is easy to install. I am about to add a radio to
my Piet. What I will do is use a piece of RG-58 coax long enough to run from
the radio location to an area behind the seat that I can reach through inspection
ports with the covering on the aircraft. I'll remove 24" of the shield being
careful not to damage the insulation on the center conductor and leave a
bit of the shield exposed to attach the ground radials. That's about 1/4 wave
at 121.5 MHz. I'll solder four more 24" lengths of wire (say about 16 gauge)
to the shield where I cut it and arrange to fan them out as evenly spaced as possible
and as perpendicular as possible to the center conductor which is the
antenna radiator. If I have to have bends in any of these wires I'll try to keep
the bends as close to the ends of the wires as possible and run hem inline
with the plane avoiding bending them in a direction that would be parallel to
the antenna radiator. I'll arrange the antenna to be upside down with the radials
extending in a horizontal plane and the radiator running straight down and
as far away as possible from other conductors such as control cables, harness
cables etc. The coax, I'll try to run straight away from the radiator in line
with the plane of the radial wires of the ground plane until it is more than
2 feet (prefereably more than 4 feet) away from the antenna before it runs
in any other direction. Based on lots of installations where I adhered to these
princip!
les the
antenna with be awesome for these needs.
BTW I would highly recommend against using a rubber duck antenna in combination
with a headset. I've seen many problems with power from the antenna right beside
the headset wires picking up radio frequency energy into the microphone line
and playing havoc. Getting a proper external antenna mounted several feet
away makes a world of difference to being heard as well as hearing. If the antenna
is only a few feet away and you are still not being heard properly you
could try putting some clip-on ferrite beads on your headset wires which can make
a huge difference in improving your microphone audio in this situation.
72 (that's radio geek speak for softly saying best regards)
Joe
True and false. The feedline (be it coax or whatever feedline you prefer, although
coax is standard), is not an active element. Yes, it must be of the proper
impedance, and using the best type of coax for the given application is critical
in proper transmission of signal, but length has nothing to do with tuning.
This part of the conversation gets pretty deep as we start discussing dielectric
materials, velocity factors, etc. To summarize, different frequencies
travel through different dielectric materials at different rates (speeds)...
therefore no one type of 50ohm coax is suitable for all applications... for example,
I use LMR400 in my HF station. If I were wanting to squeeze every bit
of signal out of my handheld air band transceiver I'd probably use LMR240 instead
of RG-58, but at the lengths we are talking about the losses are negligible.
That is really what we are talking about when it comes to feedlines, losses,
not tuning. For example, the attenuation of a 100' length of RG-58 at 150MHz
is ~6.2dB... the same length of LMR240 is only 3.0dB, or in radio talk, an
entire s-unit! Ok, I understand, we aren't running 100', we are running closer
to 10', which reduces those values by a factor of 10, or .62dB and .3dB of loss
respectively. At that length we are talking about a difference of .32dB of
signal loss between the two. Am I going to run out and get some LMR240 for
that small of a boost in signal? Nope, I'll grab the readily available RG-58
and cut to whatever length I need... the shorter the better. Remember, length=attenuation=loss.[/quote]
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| Subject: | Re: Throwing in the towel! |
Brett, that would be pretty cool if you and Gene fly your Model A Piets, and
Matt Paxton and I fly our Continental Piets together in a 4-ship formation
all the way from Virginia next year. Hurry up and finish it!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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[quote="pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net"]This Pietenpol is going to become the new
standard for the purists.
> [b]
You aren't kidding! Gene's cowling is pretty sweet too. If I can get some
time to focus on it, there could easily be another Ford powered Piet joining
the mix from VA next year.
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Attached are a few more engine work pictures. I believe at this point I will cease
engine work and start covering the fuselage.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Throwing in the towel! |
Brett, absolutely you are going to finish and we'll do it next year!! Brett has
been helping me a lot lately and gave it HIS best shot to help me finish. I
owe him and will be on his butt to get his going. Like Jack said, a 4 ship from
VA would be awesome!!
Gene
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time to focus on it, there could easily be another Ford powered Piet joining the
mix from VA next year.
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Michael isn't it fun! Looks great! You will want string around the center st
uds also. In my shop I keep the engine covered. You should too despite your
spotless shop.
Jack Textor
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> Attached are a few more engine work pictures. I believe at this point I wi
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> Pietenpol HINT Videos
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: question for the radio geeks |
Joe, thanks for this information. It is timely, at least for me.
Would it be possible to post a simple drawing showing what you intend
to do in terms of your installation? It wouldn't need to be to scale,
just something that gives a visual orientation. Thanks, Ken
On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 8:50 AM, scudrun <jstreet@uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
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> I got to agree with K5YAC here. I have spent as much time building radio transcievers
and antennas as people spend building Pietenpols. Yes I'm that radio
geek someone was looking for. If the antenna feedpoint has the same impedance
as the feed line then the length of the feedline is only going to affect loss
and has nothing to do with tuning. However in the real world antennas even if
they are perfectly tuned, change their tune when something comes near them, and
it all gets complicated. What people need is something that is simple and that
works reasonably well and is easy to install. I am about to add a radio to
my Piet. What I will do is use a piece of RG-58 coax long enough to run from
the radio location to an area behind the seat that I can reach through inspection
ports with the covering on the aircraft. I'll remove 24" of the shield
being careful not to damage the insulation on the center conductor and leave
a bit of the shield exposed to attach the ground radia!
> ls. That's about 1/4 wave at 121.5 MHz. I'll solder four more 24" lengths of
wire (say about 16 gauge) to the shield where I cut it and arrange to fan them
out as evenly spaced as possible and as perpendicular as possible to the center
conductor which is the antenna radiator. If I have to have bends in any
of these wires I'll try to keep the bends as close to the ends of the wires as
possible and run hem inline with the plane avoiding bending them in a direction
that would be parallel to the antenna radiator. I'll arrange the antenna to
be upside down with the radials extending in a horizontal plane and the radiator
running straight down and as far away as possible from other conductors such
as control cables, harness cables etc. The coax, I'll try to run straight
away from the radiator in line with the plane of the radial wires of the ground
plane until it is more than 2 feet (prefereably more than 4 feet) away from
the antenna before it runs in any other direction. B!
> ased on lots of installations where I adhered to these princip!
> les the
>
> antenna with be awesome for these needs.
>
> BTW I would highly recommend against using a rubber duck antenna in combination
with a headset. I've seen many problems with power from the antenna right
beside the headset wires picking up radio frequency energy into the microphone
line and playing havoc. Getting a proper external antenna mounted several feet
away makes a world of difference to being heard as well as hearing. If the
antenna is only a few feet away and you are still not being heard properly you
could try putting some clip-on ferrite beads on your headset wires which can
make a huge difference in improving your microphone audio in this situation.
>
> 72 (that's radio geek speak for softly saying best regards)
>
> Joe
>
>
> True and false. The feedline (be it coax or whatever feedline you prefer, although
coax is standard), is not an active element. Yes, it must be of the proper
impedance, and using the best type of coax for the given application is critical
in proper transmission of signal, but length has nothing to do with tuning.
This part of the conversation gets pretty deep as we start discussing dielectric
materials, velocity factors, etc. To summarize, different frequencies
travel through different dielectric materials at different rates (speeds)...
therefore no one type of 50ohm coax is suitable for all applications... for
example, I use LMR400 in my HF station. If I were wanting to squeeze every bit
of signal out of my handheld air band transceiver I'd probably use LMR240 instead
of RG-58, but at the lengths we are talking about the losses are negligible.
That is really what we are talking about when it comes to feedlines, losses,
not tuning. For example, the attenuation of a 10!
> 0' length of RG-58 at 150MHz is ~6.2dB... the same length of LMR240 is only
3.0dB, or in radio talk, an entire s-unit! Ok, I understand, we aren't running
100', we are running closer to 10', which reduces those values by a factor of
10, or .62dB and .3dB of loss respectively. At that length we are talking about
a difference of .32dB of signal loss between the two. Am I going to run
out and get some LMR240 for that small of a boost in signal? Nope, I'll grab
the readily available RG-58 and cut to whatever length I need... the shorter the
better. Remember, length=attenuation=loss.[/quote]
>
>
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>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=378096#378096
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It IS fun!- There is string around those studs, hard to see in the small
picture perhaps.
Whenever the engines are not being worked on/photographed, they are covered
.--
Happy to hear you appreciate a clean shop!
Michael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol for dummies thread? |
I just visited a Piet builder this morning (Ken) who very graciously spent almost
2 hours showing me his incredible Piet. I'm astounded at the effort that goes
into building this plane. I don't know what it is but there's something about
building it yourself that interests me. It's like this guy that built (is building)
Bishop's Castle. A one man show I had to go see myself. I want to put
my stamp on something like this. Figuring out what that long-term effort/passion
will be isn't easy. I'm planning my future out loud here.
The craftiness of building the Piet is starting to sink in. Learning how to read
the 1930's plans kinda concerns me but I suppose everyone gets over the interpretation
and figures it out. And after all, there's just a bunch of pieces of
wood that can be remade if needed.
I know the plans call for a wood frame but would there be any significant issues
using a combination of aluminum and wood? Do those 2 materials have any history
being used well in a handcrafted plane? I know this would take the plane out
of the traditional plans and not accepted as a Pietenpol. I'm just asking questions
here and to those that think that would be sacrilegious I understand.
Jamie
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol for dummies thread? |
Ahhhhhhh yes you, you've entered phase 2 substitution of materials. One of the
hallmarks of the newbie both common and an irresistible temptation to improve
upon a great design and make it worse.
The good news it's your airplane and can do what you want. The bad news is you
can do what you want to your airplane in the interest of experimentation and most
all will suggest that you buy the books and stick to the plans.
John
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On Jul 12, 2012, at 3:27 PM, "glad2fly" <jamie@drjordan.us> wrote:
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> I just visited a Piet builder this morning (Ken) who very graciously spent almost
2 hours showing me his incredible Piet. I'm astounded at the effort that
goes into building this plane. I don't know what it is but there's something about
building it yourself that interests me. It's like this guy that built (is
building) Bishop's Castle. A one man show I had to go see myself. I want to put
my stamp on something like this. Figuring out what that long-term effort/passion
will be isn't easy. I'm planning my future out loud here.
>
> The craftiness of building the Piet is starting to sink in. Learning how to read
the 1930's plans kinda concerns me but I suppose everyone gets over the interpretation
and figures it out. And after all, there's just a bunch of pieces
of wood that can be remade if needed.
>
> I know the plans call for a wood frame but would there be any significant issues
using a combination of aluminum and wood? Do those 2 materials have any history
being used well in a handcrafted plane? I know this would take the plane
out of the traditional plans and not accepted as a Pietenpol. I'm just asking
questions here and to those that think that would be sacrilegious I understand.
>
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I got my Corvair engine back to the hangar a few weeks ago. It's a running engine
straight out of the 65' with all the correct serial numbers listed in the W.W.
rebuild manual. I felt it was a decent price at $150, the only kicker is I
had to purchase the 2 engines the guy had to get that price. So if anyone needs
a good core out here on the West coast I have an extra. Contact me off list
if interested or know someone who is.
Brian
SLC-UT
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol for dummies thread? |
Amsafetyc wrote:
> Ahhhhhhh yes you, you've entered phase 2 substitution of materials. One of the
hallmarks of the newbie both common and an irresistible temptation to improve
upon a great design and make it worse.
>
> John
>
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Good one John... literally made me laugh out loud.
Jamie, if you don't believe John, I've got a beeeutiful set of aluminum control
horns I'll sell ya, CHEAP! No skimping here, they are 6061-T6, polished to a
mirror finish and ready to be fitted! I'm sure there are various other "improvements"
for sale laying around collecting dust. I wasted a couple of weeks
(at least) farting around with these... then built the steel ones according to
plans in a weekend. I won't even charge you for my sweat. ;-)
Hey John, seems like it's been a really long time since you haven't been making
your trips to Tulsa... looking forward to having a cold one (or two) with ya
next week. I'll bring the lemons... ha!
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| Subject: | Ramping up for Brodhead |
Just finished washing the Piet and will wax it tomorrow. (I know, I know, w
hy bother when I fly behind a Ford).
-
-Not too sure if I'll polish the struts because they are a magnet to grim
ey hands belonging to dumpy, 60-something guys holding forth to their buddi
es about when they, "Had one just like this".Happens every year and I keep
telling myself to just paint the darned things and be done with it....but I
never do.
-
Flew for a while this a.m. just to make sure everything is still flying in
close formation and nothing fell off. Guess that wraps up the preflight che
cks!
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Gotta douse the tent with h2o repellant, get-the citronella candles, put
some clothes into a bag and be ready to leap off.
-
WX looks a little dicey in the forecast at the moment so I'll keep an eye o
n it but assuming everything works as planned, I'll see you all in a week o
r so.
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Fly safe-
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Larry (Top Curmudgeon) Williams
NX899LW
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| Subject: | Re: question for the radio geeks |
Here is a link that has some diagrams. Just imagine the diagram on the right turned
upside down. Also you don't need to use a connector to form the feed point
of the antenna as shown there. You can just remove 1/4 wave length of shield
from the cut end of the coax (24 inches) and use the center conductor with
it's insulation still intact as your radiator (the red line). Solder the radial
wires (blue) (also 24 inches) to the end of the shield where it is cut back
and run them out to anchor points to form a plane. They can angle upwards in
this case when the radiator is tensioned downwards to an anchor point on the
fuselage. Run the radiator straight down and anchor it to a piece of the wooden
frame. You can add an extender to the end of any of these wires if necessary
by simply tying a piece of mason line to the wire and running it to a convenient
point where you can drive a small wood screw. It is not critical that the
radials form a perfect plane or cone, just go with what works and doesn't hang
up on anything with the control system. Keep it light and simple. It is protected
inside the fuselage and doesn't have to be super robust.
Run the coax roughly paralleled to the blue ground plane wires until you are far
from the radiator (several feet). Choose a coaxial cable that has the same
type of connector on the end as your radio (usually a BNC for a handheld radio).
Here is the link:
http://273k.net/gsm/designing-and-building-a-gsm-antenna/monopole/
When I make mine I'll snap some pics along the way and post.
Joe
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol for dummies thread? |
Mark,
We are camping on field and since there's no more job, no more trips to
Tulsa for warm beer and lemon and no more free trips to Brodhead, I got to
pony up and pay the freight to go anywhere. I sure hope I land something soon.
I am looking forward to see you for a cold Yuengling Lager NFL( No Freakin
Lime), it doesn't get any better than that.
I be there on Thursday, see ya then.
John
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| Subject: | Airworthiness Certificate !!! |
=0A=0A=0AToday we received our airworthiness certificate and my repairman's
certificate for 414MV!- It feels good to have that part done.-- Now
I just need to do that final part..... fly it!- The first flight should h
appen in the next couple of weeks.- =0A=0AMike Groah=0ATulare CA
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| Subject: | Re: Airworthiness Certificate !!! |
Mike and Vic,
Congratulations!!!!!!!!!!!
Your Piet really looks great and really glad to see you have it signed off.
It is officially an airplane now.
Take a video of your first flight and send it to us.
Love the colors you picked too.
Cheers,
Jim B.
=C2-
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| Subject: | Airworthiness Certificate !!! |
Mike,
I've been working through these 100+ days all week on rigging, and that's
just about the best news I've heard all week!! Your plane is beautiful!!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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Groah
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 3:39 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Airworthiness Certificate !!!
Today we received our airworthiness certificate and my repairman's
certificate for 414MV! It feels good to have that part done. Now I just
need to do that final part..... fly it! The first flight should happen in
the next couple of weeks.
Mike Groah
Tulare CA
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair core |
I wouldnt sell the extra until you are sure you dont need it. I originally planned
to use Corvair power and disassembled 3 cores to get enough usable parts
. At least wait till you get your best one apart.
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On Jul 12, 2012, at 5:23 PM, "Pilot78" <brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com> wrote:
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> I got my Corvair engine back to the hangar a few weeks ago. It's a running engine
straight out of the 65' with all the correct serial numbers listed in the
W.W. rebuild manual. I felt it was a decent price at $150, the only kicker is
I had to purchase the 2 engines the guy had to get that price. So if anyone needs
a good core out here on the West coast I have an extra. Contact me off list
if interested or know someone who is.
>
> Brian
> SLC-UT
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| Subject: | Re: Airworthiness Certificate !!! |
Bee-yoo-tee-full!
Well done, gentlemen.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Airworthiness Certificate !!! |
Hearty CONGRATULATIONS to you. I know just how great it feels but wait........it
gets much better. The first time you put her nose into the wind and get 5oo
feet under your wings. Well just see for yourself.
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
First flight June 16,2012
Started building July, 2009
21" wheels
Lycoming O-235 C2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair core |
Almost everything you can see in your picture will be scrapped as the valuable
core is hidden underneath. Dont forget to save the magnesium cooling fan for
some backyard fun!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kVh4NQ7geg&feature=related
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John Francis
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Looks great, Mike! I must say, I like your paint scheme. Everything looks
good except the prop turns the wrong way.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Groah
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 6:39 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Airworthiness Certificate !!!
Today we received our airworthiness certificate and my repairman's
certificate for 414MV! It feels good to have that part done. Now I just
need to do that final part..... fly it! The first flight should happen in
the next couple of weeks.
Mike Groah
Tulare CA
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Congratulations Mike and Vic. I bet the feeling is almost indescribable!
Rick Schreiber
Valparaiso IN
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On Jul 12, 2012, at 5:38 PM, Michael Groah <dskogrover@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Today we received our airworthiness certificate and my repairman's certifi
cate for 414MV! It feels good to have that part done. Now I just need to d
o that final part..... fly it! The first flight should happen in the next c
ouple of weeks.
>
> Mike Groah
> Tulare CA
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> <AW Cert.jpg>
> <Pietenpol 414MV.jpg>
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Wow! Very nice. Congratulations!
do not archive
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol for dummies thread? |
Tyler and I will be arriving Thursday, and we are planning to camp on the field
too... this ought to be great.
Have you prepared that safety spiel for the kiddos?
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Mark Chouinard
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Looks great! Congratulations!
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear
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