---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 07/13/12: 36 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:25 AM - Re: Airworthiness Certificate !!! (Amsafetyc) 2. 05:06 AM - VA flight next year and congrats... (Douwe Blumberg) 3. 07:15 AM - Re: Airworthiness Certificate !!! (AircamperN11MS) 4. 07:18 AM - Re: Airworthiness Certificate !!! (Hans van der Voort) 5. 07:53 AM - Re: Brat Fest 2012 (coxwelljon) 6. 08:03 AM - Need a hotel room for Brodhead? (brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com) 7. 08:04 AM - Model A crankshafts (coxwelljon) 8. 09:16 AM - Ride available from Chatt TN to Brodhead WI (tools) 9. 09:16 AM - Re: VA flight next year and congrats... (V Groah) 10. 09:22 AM - Re: Re: Airworthiness Certificate !!! (V Groah) 11. 09:34 AM - Re: Airworthiness Certificate !!! (AircamperN11MS) 12. 09:52 AM - Re: Re: Airworthiness Certificate !!! (V Groah) 13. 10:02 AM - Re: Airworthiness Certificate !!! (AircamperN11MS) 14. 01:03 PM - Safetying Worm Drive Hose Clamps (gboothe5@comcast.net) 15. 01:11 PM - Re: Safetying Worm Drive Hose Clamps (Matthew) 16. 01:22 PM - Re: Safetying Worm Drive Hose Clamps (Jack Phillips) 17. 01:27 PM - Powder coating question (brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com) 18. 01:29 PM - Re: Safetying Worm Drive Hose Clamps (DaveG601XL) 19. 01:32 PM - Re: Safetying Worm Drive Hose Clamps (gboothe5@comcast.net) 20. 02:04 PM - Re: Re: Safetying Worm Drive Hose Clamps (gboothe5@comcast.net) 21. 02:16 PM - Re: Safetying Worm Drive Hose Clamps (Gene Rambo) 22. 02:26 PM - Re: Safetying Worm Drive Hose Clamps (Matthew) 23. 02:28 PM - Re: Safetying Worm Drive Hose Clamps (gboothe5@comcast.net) 24. 02:56 PM - Re: Safetying Worm Drive Hose Clamps (Gene Rambo) 25. 03:22 PM - Brodhead weather forecast... (Jim Markle) 26. 03:30 PM - Re: Brodhead weather forecast... (IT Girl) 27. 03:39 PM - Prop trade. (tools) 28. 03:51 PM - Re: Re: Brodhead weather forecast... (shad bell) 29. 03:58 PM - Re: Safetying Worm Drive Hose Clamps (shad bell) 30. 04:16 PM - Re: Re: Safetying Worm Drive Hose Clamps (Gary Boothe) 31. 06:17 PM - Mykitplane.com (John Francis) 32. 06:51 PM - Re: Powder coating question (Greg Cardinal) 33. 08:03 PM - Re: Prop trade. (Ben Charvet) 34. 08:18 PM - turnbuckes for sale (TOM MICHELLE BRANT) 35. 08:27 PM - Re: Prop trade. (tools) 36. 08:29 PM - corvair heads for sale (TOM MICHELLE BRANT) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:25:34 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Airworthiness Certificate !!! From: Amsafetyc Congrats we all hope to join your new ranks sooner or later, preferably soon er John Do not archive Sent from my iPhone On Jul 12, 2012, at 6:38 PM, Michael Groah wrote: > > > Today we received our airworthiness certificate and my repairman's certifi cate for 414MV! It feels good to have that part done. Now I just need to d o that final part..... fly it! The first flight should happen in the next c ouple of weeks. > > Mike Groah > Tulare CA > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:06:53 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: VA flight next year and congrats... First off congrats to Vic and Mike, to Gene and everybody else finishing or nearing the finish line. WELL DONE!!! Jack and Gene, be sure you pick me up on your way north! Douwe Changed plans, we're moving to the hangar today. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:15:22 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Airworthiness Certificate !!! From: "AircamperN11MS" Mike, It looks very nice. Perhaps I should fly up there to have a look at it. Let me know if that is possible for you. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=378182#378182 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:18:38 AM PST US From: Hans van der Voort Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Airworthiness Certificate !!! Congratulations now the exciting part starts=0A-=0AHave Fun=0A-=0AHans =0A-=0ANX 15KV=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Michael Groah =0ATo: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com" =0ASent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 5:38 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Airworthiness Certificate !!!=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0AToday we r eceived our airworthiness certificate and my repairman's certificate for 41 4MV!- It feels good to have that part done.-- Now I just need to do t hat final part..... fly it!- The first flight should happen in the next c ouple of weeks.- =0A=0AMike Groah=0ATulare CA ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:53:31 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brat Fest 2012 From: "coxwelljon" Jack, Leaving Remsen NY on Wed. Hope to show my CO grandson Niagara Falls and make Brodhead by Thur. evening. Hope to see you on Friday. My grandson is not an airplane enthusiast yet but I am working on him. Jon Coxwell -------- Jon Coxwell GN-1 Builder Recycle and preserve the planet Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=378187#378187 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:03:35 AM PST US From: brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Need a hotel room for Brodhead? Group, Anyone needing to book a room for Brodhead? Unfortunately work has just gotten in the way of the important things of life. I have a 2 queen room at the Americ-Inn in Monroe, it's 10 min from Brodhead, free hot breakfast and pool. I still have my reservation but need to cancel, most hotels in the area are booked during Brodhead so call me and I will cancel and you can pick up my room. Brian SLC-UT Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:04:21 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Model A crankshafts From: "coxwelljon" A friend was cleaning out her barn and said she found a couple of Model A crank shafts. I have not seen them so I cannot speak to condition, but I suppose they are rusty. I am using a corvair so not too familiar with the what Ford parts are reusable. If anyone may be interested, contact me off line. -------- Jon Coxwell GN-1 Builder Recycle and preserve the planet Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=378188#378188 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:16:38 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ride available from Chatt TN to Brodhead WI From: "tools" Leaving Chatt TN headed to Brodhead on 18 Jul, arriving sometime on Thurs. 33' motorhome, currently may even NEED a driver, one other pax, so plenty of space, pickup on the way is fine (still need to finalize the route, it's following the plane). Headed from Brodhead to Oshkosh on Sun. Mike Danford, 423 580 1383 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=378198#378198 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:16:38 AM PST US From: V Groah Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: VA flight next year and congrats... Moving to hanger usually means near completion=2C good stuff. You too wil l be finished and ready to test this summer?? Looks like a great crop no n ew planes getting into the air this season. Congratulations on the continu ing success. Vic 414MV do not archive From: douweblumberg@earthlink.net Subject: Pietenpol-List: VA flight next year and congrats... First off congrats to Vic and Mike=2C to Gene and everybody else finishing or nearing the finish line. WELL DONE!!! Jack and Gene=2C be sure you pick me up on your way north! Douwe Changed plans=2C we=92re moving to the hangar today=85 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:22:42 AM PST US From: V Groah Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Airworthiness Certificate !!! Would love to see you. Mike will be back in school the middle of august. If you can come before that it would be best for him. I am retired and tir ed so am more flexable on schedule. Tulare airport is just four miles from my place and two from Mikes. The plane is at Porterville about 30 miles fr om here. We have a spare bedroom and both wives are good cooks. The invit e is open to you Piet folks out there. Come on up Scott. It would be fun to have the two together. Vic do not archive > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Airworthiness Certificate !!! > From: Scott.liefeld@lacity.org > Date: Fri=2C 13 Jul 2012 07:15:02 -0700 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > ity.org> > > Mike=2C > > > It looks very nice. Perhaps I should fly up there to have a look at it. L et me know if that is possible for you. > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=378182#378182 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:34:43 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Airworthiness Certificate !!! From: "AircamperN11MS" Hi Vic, Perhaps I can fly up this weekend. Porterville is only about 1.7 hour flight for me. Here is my contact info. Scott Liefeld Hm: 661-718-1155 Cell: 611-400-1876 Home email: pietman@qnet.com -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=378201#378201 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:52:09 AM PST US From: V Groah Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Airworthiness Certificate !!! The weekend is open for me=2C Mike is out flying an Aironca champ right now getting tail dragger practice for the piet. We have a some inspection pan els to replace to fly the Piet and Mike needs some more tail dragger time t o feel confident. I will check with Mike when he comes back from the airpo rt to find what his weekend looks like. He will be coming here as his litt le girl is here with us this morning so he can fly. Would you be looking a t Saturday or Sunday or an over night? As far as I am concerned it would b e an honor to have you come. We have been blessed with a number of Piet gu ys during the build. It is always so nice to make new friends and share co mmon interests. Great stuff. do not archive > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Airworthiness Certificate !!! > From: Scott.liefeld@lacity.org > Date: Fri=2C 13 Jul 2012 09:34:29 -0700 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > ity.org> > > Hi Vic=2C > > Perhaps I can fly up this weekend. Porterville is only about 1.7 hour fli ght for me. > > Here is my contact info. > > Scott Liefeld > Hm: 661-718-1155 > Cell: 611-400-1876 > Home email: pietman@qnet.com > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=378201#378201 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:02:09 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Airworthiness Certificate !!! From: "AircamperN11MS" I like Sat. Sunday would be ok if it were better for you. Either way, it's going to be hot. I would leave early in the morning. I don't think it gets foggy in the valley this time of the year. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=378206#378206 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:03:09 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Safetying Worm Drive Hose Clamps From: gboothe5@comcast.net Just got off the phone with the FAA inspector, discussing my up-coming inspection. He warned that one of his cramps is un-safetied worm drive hose clamps. Anyone know a good method of safetying these? Gary from Cool Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:11:58 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Safetying Worm Drive Hose Clamps From: Matthew Throu the slot and around the body, going under the exposed part of the screw. Does that make sense? I can try and get a picture when I get home if you'd like. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 13, 2012, at 4:01 PM, gboothe5@comcast.net wrote: > > Just got off the phone with the FAA inspector, discussing my up-coming inspection. He warned that one of his cramps is un-safetied worm drive hose clamps. Anyone know a good method of safetying these? > > Gary from Cool > Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry > > > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:22:53 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Safetying Worm Drive Hose Clamps He must have a cow any time he flies in a Cub. Every A65 Continental has 16 worm drive hose clamps holding the pushrod tubes in place, and I've never seen a safety on any of them. Worm gear drives don't tend to move with vibration. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gboothe5@comcast.net Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 4:01 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Safetying Worm Drive Hose Clamps Just got off the phone with the FAA inspector, discussing my up-coming inspection. He warned that one of his cramps is un-safetied worm drive hose clamps. Anyone know a good method of safetying these? Gary from Cool Sent on the SprintR Now Network from my BlackBerryR ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:27:09 PM PST US From: brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Powder coating question Group, A friend of mine wants to give me a warming oven she used to use in her catering business. I thought about using it for powder coating, it's large almost 3ft deep, industrial, stainless steel and on casters. The only problem I think is that the oven only goes to 350 degrees. What is the temp range that most have used for powder coating? I assume powder manufactures may have their own cure temps, just curious to what the range of temps might be. Brian <> <> Brian Jardine L-3 Communications Operations Project Engineer 640 North 2200 West P.O.Box 16850 Salt Lake City, UT 84116 L <> <> 801-594-3482 801-882-0213 BB brian.e.jardine@L-3com.com ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:29:36 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Safetying Worm Drive Hose Clamps From: "DaveG601XL" I agree with Jack, but here is a link that might help to make your inspector happy and provide you with some peace of mind: http://avidflyer.wikia.com/wiki/Safety_Wire_Those_Worm_Drive_Clamps -------- David Gallagher Zodiac 601 XL-B: flying, 220+ hours now Next project under construction: Finish my father's Aircamper Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=378227#378227 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 01:32:43 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Safetying Worm Drive Hose Clamps From: gboothe5@comcast.net No rush, Matthew, but I think I would like to see that picture. Thanks, Gary Do not archive ------Original Message------ From: Matthew Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Safetying Worm Drive Hose Clamps Sent: Jul 13, 2012 1:10 PM Throu the slot and around the body, going under the exposed part of the screw. Does that make sense? I can try and get a picture when I get home if you'd like. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 13, 2012, at 4:01 PM, gboothe5@comcast.net wrote: > > Just got off the phone with the FAA inspector, discussing my up-coming inspection. He warned that one of his cramps is un-safetied worm drive hose clamps. Anyone know a good method of safetying these? > > Gary from Cool > Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry > > > > > Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 02:04:04 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Safetying Worm Drive Hose Clamps From: gboothe5@comcast.net Thanks, Dave! Someday soon I'll be an avid flyer, but not an Avid flyer... This inspector came highly recommended by two builders who recently had airworthiness inspections done by him. They said his counterparts were too, "anal"! He did say that he's been doing this for 40 years, now, but still runs into new stuff that affects safety. His main request is that guys like you & I will carry the message out into the world...a reasonable and caring request! Gary ------Original Message------ From: DaveG601XL Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Safetying Worm Drive Hose Clamps Sent: Jul 13, 2012 1:28 PM I agree with Jack, but here is a link that might help to make your inspector happy and provide you with some peace of mind: http://avidflyer.wikia.com/wiki/Safety_Wire_Those_Worm_Drive_Clamps -------- David Gallagher Zodiac 601 XL-B: flying, 220+ hours now Next project under construction: Finish my father's Aircamper Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=378227#378227 Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 02:16:42 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Safetying Worm Drive Hose Clamps From: Gene Rambo Tell him to get over it. They don't need safetying. Tell him to look at the thousands of certified aircraft flying around out there without a single one being saftied. That is total BS, and a perfect example of someone who doesn't know sh#t about anything trying to act like he does. Gene Do not archive On Jul 13, 2012, at 4:31 PM, gboothe5@comcast.net wrote: > > No rush, Matthew, but I think I would like to see that picture. > > Thanks, > Gary > Do not archive > ------Original Message------ > From: Matthew > Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Safetying Worm Drive Hose Clamps > Sent: Jul 13, 2012 1:10 PM > > > Throu the slot and around the body, going under the exposed part of the screw. > > Does that make sense? I can try and get a picture when I get home if you'd like. > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 13, 2012, at 4:01 PM, gboothe5@comcast.net wrote: > >> >> Just got off the phone with the FAA inspector, discussing my up-coming inspection. He warned that one of his cramps is un-safetied worm drive hose clamps. Anyone know a good method of safetying these? >> >> Gary from Cool >> Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 02:26:45 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Safetying Worm Drive Hose Clamps From: Matthew Here is how I do it, I just did this right quick so it's not the prettiest, b ut gets the point across Sent from my iPhone On Jul 13, 2012, at 4:31 PM, gboothe5@comcast.net wrote: > > No rush, Matthew, but I think I would like to see that picture. > > Thanks, > Gary > Do not archive > ------Original Message------ > From: Matthew > Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Safetying Worm Drive Hose Clamps > Sent: Jul 13, 2012 1:10 PM > m> > > Throu the slot and around the body, going under the exposed part of the sc rew. > > Does that make sense? I can try and get a picture when I get home if you'd like. > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 13, 2012, at 4:01 PM, gboothe5@comcast.net wrote: > >> >> Just got off the phone with the FAA inspector, discussing my up-coming in spection. He warned that one of his cramps is un-safetied worm drive hose cl amps. Anyone know a good method of safetying these? >> >> Gary from Cool >> Sent on the Sprint=C2=AE Now Network from my BlackBerry=C2=AE >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > Sent on the Sprint=C2=AE Now Network from my BlackBerry=C2=AE > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > > >
________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 02:28:26 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Safetying Worm Drive Hose Clamps From: gboothe5@comcast.net Yet the technique does exist, and has been recognized by at least one manufacturer. It took less than two minutes to do one. This inspector came highly recommended by two builders who recently had airworthiness inspections done by him. They said his counterparts were too, "anal"! He did say that he's been doing this for 40 years, now, but still runs into new stuff that affects safety. His main request is that guys like you & I will carry the message out into the world...a reasonable and caring request! Gary Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Gene Rambo Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com Tell him to get over it. They don't need safetying. Tell him to look at the thousands of certified aircraft flying around out there without a single one being saftied. That is total BS, and a perfect example of someone who doesn't know sh#t about anything trying to act like he does. Gene Do not archive On Jul 13, 2012, at 4:31 PM, gboothe5@comcast.net wrote: > > No rush, Matthew, but I think I would like to see that picture. > > Thanks, > Gary > Do not archive > ------Original Message------ > From: Matthew > Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Safetying Worm Drive Hose Clamps > Sent: Jul 13, 2012 1:10 PM > > > Throu the slot and around the body, going under the exposed part of the screw. > > Does that make sense? I can try and get a picture when I get home if you'd like. > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 13, 2012, at 4:01 PM, gboothe5@comcast.net wrote: > >> >> Just got off the phone with the FAA inspector, discussing my up-coming inspection. He warned that one of his cramps is un-safetied worm drive hose clamps. Anyone know a good method of safetying these? >> >> Gary from Cool >> Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 02:56:38 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Safetying Worm Drive Hose Clamps From: Gene Rambo There are lots of things that can be done to improve safety without it being something mindless and unnecessary. I have been trying to think of ANY airplane that does not have those clamps, but can't. Trying to list how many I can think of in EVERY airplane, it is a lot. Trying to think of when I have ever seen one safetied....NEVER. And when I have ever seen or heard of one backing off......again NEVER. He just picked some meaningless trivia and is clinging to it as if it is improving safety...it isn't. Gene Do not archive On Jul 13, 2012, at 5:26 PM, gboothe5@comcast.net wrote: > > Yet the technique does exist, and has been recognized by at least one manufacturer. It took less than two minutes to do one. > > This inspector came highly recommended by two builders who recently had airworthiness inspections done by him. They said his counterparts were too, "anal"! > > He did say that he's been doing this for 40 years, now, but still runs into new stuff that affects safety. His main request is that guys like you & I will carry the message out into the world...a reasonable and caring request! > > Gary > Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gene Rambo > Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 17:14:36 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > > Tell him to get over it. They don't need safetying. Tell him to look at the thousands of certified aircraft flying around out there without a single one being saftied. That is total BS, and a perfect example of someone who doesn't know sh#t about anything trying to act like he does. > > Gene > > Do not archive > > On Jul 13, 2012, at 4:31 PM, gboothe5@comcast.net wrote: > >> >> No rush, Matthew, but I think I would like to see that picture. >> >> Thanks, >> Gary >> Do not archive >> ------Original Message------ >> From: Matthew >> Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Safetying Worm Drive Hose Clamps >> Sent: Jul 13, 2012 1:10 PM >> >> >> Throu the slot and around the body, going under the exposed part of the screw. >> >> Does that make sense? I can try and get a picture when I get home if you'd like. >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jul 13, 2012, at 4:01 PM, gboothe5@comcast.net wrote: >> >>> >>> Just got off the phone with the FAA inspector, discussing my up-coming inspection. He warned that one of his cramps is un-safetied worm drive hose clamps. Anyone know a good method of safetying these? >>> >>> Gary from Cool >>> Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 03:22:06 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead weather forecast... From: Jim Markle CkNhbiB3ZSBqdXN0IGdvIGFscmVhZHk/IMKgSSB3YW5uYSBnbyBOT1cuLi4ud2UgcGxhbiBvbiBw dWxsaW5nIGluIGFyb3VuZCA2cG0gb3Igc28gbmV4dCBUaHVyc2RheSBhbmQgc3VyZSBhcmUgbG9v a2luZyBmb3J3YXJkIHRvIHNlZWluZyBldmVyeW9uZSEKCkxvb2tzIGxpa2UgaXQgbWlnaHQgYmUg d2V0IChhcyB1c3VhbCkgYnV0IGEgbG90IGNvb2xlciB0aGFuIGp1c3QgYWJvdXQgZXZlcnl3aGVy ZSBlbHNlIQoKSmltIGluIEhPVCBQcnlvci4uLi4KCkRvIG5vdCBhcmNoaXZlCgpTZW50IHZpYSBz bWFydHBob25lLi4uLnNvIHBsZWFzZSBpZ25vcmUgbXkgYmFkIHNwZWxpbmcuLi4u ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 03:30:05 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead weather forecast... From: "IT Girl" We are ready too Jim... ready to get on the road. We leave Sunday morning... I wish it was tomorrow, except we would get there too early and would be camping alone for DAYS! We will be pulling in on Wednesday if we have no weather delays. -------- Shelley Tumino IT Girl wife of "Axel" NX899KP DO NOT ARCHIVE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=378242#378242 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 03:39:12 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Prop trade. From: "tools" Sensenich wood 72x42 (great shape, 150 hrs since new) for a Sensenich metal 72x42 or 42x44. For use on a Piet, doesn't need to be certified. Or for ANYTHING that my engine will spin up to 2250 on the ground. It's a taper shaft Continental A-65. Mike Danford, 423 580 1383 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=378244#378244 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 03:51:20 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead weather forecast... I just checked the forecast for my route of flight (it will change though) and it looks pretty good.- Tailwinds forcast for the way to and from Brod head.- I will wash the airplane this weekend, and load up the camping gea r and if plans don't change should arive mid afternoon on thursday.- Ther e is still a possibility that I might have family obligations that might pr event me from going but I will update as I find out. - Shad --- On Fri, 7/13/12, IT Girl wrote: From: IT Girl Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead weather forecast... We are ready too Jim... ready to get on the road.- We leave Sunday mornin g... I wish it was tomorrow, except we would get there too early and would be camping alone for DAYS!- We will be pulling in on Wednesday if we have no weather delays. -------- Shelley Tumino IT Girl wife of "Axel" NX899KP DO NOT ARCHIVE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=378242#378242 le, List Admin. ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 03:58:29 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Safetying Worm Drive Hose Clamps I worked on regional jets for 12 years, the generator cooling ducts were ne ver saftied, and I never saw one loose.- 300+ hrs on the piet, and none o f the clamps have come loose.- Just saftey it, make him happy so he gets off your backand then do as you wish.- It is usually up to the manufactur er to decide what is safe for a particular aircraft, and who is the manufac turer......You are.- One way to saftey it is to find a drilled head screw (or make one) and wrap the saftey wire around the back side of the lug the screw threads into.- That is how I have saftied them, when it was called out in the maintenance mannual. - Good luck, Shad don't archive --- On Fri, 7/13/12, Gene Rambo wrote: From: Gene Rambo Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Safetying Worm Drive Hose Clamps There are lots of things that can be done to improve safety without it bein g something mindless and unnecessary.- I have been trying to think of ANY airplane that does not have those clamps, but can't. Trying to list how ma ny I can think of in EVERY airplane, it is a lot. Trying to think of when I have ever seen one safetied....NEVER. And when I have ever seen or heard o f one backing off......again NEVER.- He just picked some meaningless triv ia and is clinging to it as if it is improving safety...it isn't.- Gene Do not archive On Jul 13, 2012, at 5:26 PM, gboothe5@comcast.net wrote: > > Yet the technique does exist, and has been recognized by at least one man ufacturer. It took less than two minutes to do one. > > This inspector came highly recommended by two builders who recently had a irworthiness inspections done by him. They said his counterparts were too, "anal"! > > He did say that he's been doing this for 40 years, now, but still runs in to new stuff that affects safety. His main request is that guys like you & I will carry the message out into the world...a reasonable and caring reque st! > > Gary > Sent on the Sprint=AE Now Network from my BlackBerry=AE > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gene Rambo > Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 17:14:36 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com ing Worm Drive Hose Clamps > > > Tell him to get over it. They don't need safetying.- Tell him to look a t the thousands of certified aircraft flying around out there without a sin gle one being saftied. That is total BS, and a perfect example of someone w ho doesn't know sh#t about anything trying to act like he does. > > Gene > > Do not archive > > On Jul 13, 2012, at 4:31 PM, gboothe5@comcast.net wrote: > >> >> No rush, Matthew, but I think I would like to see that picture. >> >> Thanks, >> Gary >> Do not archive >> ------Original Message------ >> From: Matthew >> Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Safetying Worm Drive Hose Clamps >> Sent: Jul 13, 2012 1:10 PM >> com> >> >> Throu the slot and around the body, going under the exposed part of the screw. >> >> Does that make sense? I can try and get a picture when I get home if you 'd like. >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jul 13, 2012, at 4:01 PM, gboothe5@comcast.net wrote: >> >>> >>> Just got off the phone with the FAA inspector, discussing my up-coming inspection. He warned that one of his cramps is un-safetied worm drive hose clamps. Anyone know a good method of safetying these? >>> >>> Gary from Cool >>> Sent on the Sprint=AE Now Network from my BlackBerry=AE >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Sent on the Sprint=AE Now Network from my BlackBerry=AE >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > le, List Admin. ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 04:16:35 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Safetying Worm Drive Hose Clamps Dave and Matthew, Thanks for the pictures and the link...it is very clear and easy to do! I cannot say what the motivation is for this inspector. In our 20 minute phone conversation, he gave me some insight about his work. I can't imagine how it must feel to inspect and approve a plane, only to learn of it crashing hours later...no matter who's fault. He may have an anecdotal story to support his quest to see hose clamps safetied. It's a small chore. Gary Boothe NX308MB Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DaveG601XL Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 1:28 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Safetying Worm Drive Hose Clamps --> I agree with Jack, but here is a link that might help to make your inspector happy and provide you with some peace of mind: http://avidflyer.wikia.com/wiki/Safety_Wire_Those_Worm_Drive_Clamps -------- David Gallagher Zodiac 601 XL-B: flying, 220+ hours now Next project under construction: Finish my father's Aircamper Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=378227#378227 ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 06:17:51 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Mykitplane.com From: "John Francis" The website has been down for a few days. Does anyone know how to contact the webmaster to see if we can get it up again? Thanks Do not archive -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=378256#378256 ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 06:51:35 PM PST US From: "Greg Cardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Powder coating question Powder coating questionEastwood powder coating requires 400 F. Lots of tech stuff on their website: http://www.eastwood.com/hotcoat-powder-coating.html?srccode=ga200100&gc lid=CKWursiGmLECFYcBQAodkzJCgw Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 3:25 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Powder coating question Group, A friend of mine wants to give me a warming oven she used to use in her catering business. I thought about using it for powder coating, it's large almost 3ft deep, industrial, stainless steel and on casters. The only problem I think is that the oven only goes to 350 degrees. What is the temp range that most have used for powder coating? I assume powder manufactures may have their own cure temps, just curious to what the range of temps might be. Brian Brian Jardine L-3 Communications Operations Project Engineer 640 North 2200 West P.O.Box 16850 Salt Lake City, UT 84116 L 801-594-3482 801-882-0213 BB brian.e.jardine@L-3com.com ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 08:03:50 PM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop trade. I'm using a Sensenich 72X40 wood prop, and it will turn 2250 on the ground. What kind of RPM are you getting max power in level flight? Ben CHarvet A-65 Piet On 7/13/2012 6:37 PM, tools wrote: > > Sensenich wood 72x42 (great shape, 150 hrs since new) for a Sensenich metal 72x42 or 42x44. For use on a Piet, doesn't need to be certified. > > Or for ANYTHING that my engine will spin up to 2250 on the ground. It's a taper shaft Continental A-65. > > Mike Danford, 423 580 1383 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=378244#378244 > > -- Ben Charvet, PharmD Staff Pharmacist Parrish Medical center ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 08:18:37 PM PST US From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT Subject: Pietenpol-List: turnbuckes for sale I have (8) 1/16" turnbuckles with only the barrel and eye end (no fork end included). Think I have about $40 in to them - would like to get that out of them. If anyone's interested=2C lemme know. I'm in Minneapolis area. Tom B. ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 08:27:31 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Prop trade. From: "tools" 1900 static, 2000 in flight during climb, maybe 2250 totally unloaded. AND just doesn't climb well. I borrowed a Sensenich metal 72x44 and got 2250 static. Climbed really well. Have a Macauley metal 71x45 on now and am getting 2000 static. A little better than the wood 72x42, but I REALLY liked the Sensenich. I reckon about any prop that duplicates the static rpm should perform about as well. I LOVE the look of the wood and like propping them better, but love climbing even more. It's one of my favorite things to do in a plane! Climbing just gets me all tingly! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=378260#378260 ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 08:29:34 PM PST US From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT Subject: Pietenpol-List: corvair heads for sale Shoot - meant to put it in the same post as the turnbuckles... Anyway - I have a few corvair heads (cores) for sale if anyone wants them. Make me a reasonable offer - although shipping can be rough. If anyone's going to Brodhead next weekend from Minneapolis area maybe they could bring them down there if someone wants them. 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