---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 07/24/12: 25 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:16 AM - Re: prop clearence (helspersew@aol.com) 2. 04:56 AM - Kevin (woodflier@aol.com) 3. 05:26 AM - Re: Kevin (Robert Bush) 4. 05:29 AM - Re: motorcycle wheels - bronze bearings (Michael Perez) 5. 06:13 AM - Re: Kevin (dog67@aol.com) 6. 06:16 AM - Re: Kevin (Larry Vetter) 7. 06:25 AM - Re: prop clearence (bender) 8. 06:30 AM - Re: Kevin (TOM STINEMETZE) 9. 06:51 AM - Re: Re: Kevin (ken anderson) 10. 09:10 AM - Re: Thank you (Jim Boyer) 11. 09:30 AM - Re: Kevin (ldmill) 12. 10:28 AM - Re: Kevin (taildrags) 13. 01:13 PM - Kevin Purtee Update (IT Girl) 14. 01:42 PM - Re: Kevin Purtee Update (John Francis) 15. 02:43 PM - Re: Kevin Purtee Update (helspersew@aol.com) 16. 02:47 PM - Re: Kevin Purtee Update (Jim Boyer) 17. 03:14 PM - Re: motorcycle wheels - bronze bearings (nightmare) 18. 04:06 PM - Re: Re: motorcycle wheels - bronze bearings (Jeff Wilson) 19. 06:46 PM - Re: prop clearence (BYD) 20. 06:49 PM - Re: Re: motorcycle wheels - bronze bearings (TOM MICHELLE BRANT) 21. 07:47 PM - Re: Re: motorcycle wheels - bronze bearings (Clif Dawson) 22. 10:25 PM - Re: motorcycle wheels - bronze bearings engine Q, too. (jorge lizarraga) 23. 10:50 PM - Re: Kevin (Billy McCaskill) 24. 10:57 PM - Re: motorcycle wheels - bronze bearings (Billy McCaskill) 25. 11:19 PM - Re: Brodhead report (Billy McCaskill) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:16:42 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: prop clearence From: helspersew@aol.com Hey Douwe, I have 9 inches I believe. I held to Tony Bingelis' recommendation. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Douwe Blumberg Sent: Mon, Jul 23, 2012 4:50 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: prop clearence Hey all, I=99m curious in the tail-up position what isyour prop clear ance? Especially you Ford guys with the big props. Thanks, Douwe Do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:56:16 AM PST US From: "woodflier@aol.com" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Kevin Just adding our thoughts and prayers. Matt and Lynne Paxton Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:26:06 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Kevin From: Robert Bush SnVzdCB3YW50ZWQgdG8gc2F5IHlvdSBhcmUgYm90aCBpbiBteSB0aG91Z2h0cyBhbmQgcHJheWVy cyBhcyB3ZWxsLiBBbnkgdGhpbmcgSSBjYW4gZG8gdG8gaGVscCBqdXN0IGFzay4NClJhbmR5IEJ1 c2gNCg0KU2VudCBmcm9tIG15IGlQaG9uZQ0KDQpPbiBKdWwgMjQsIDIwMTIsIGF0IDY6NTYgQU0s ICJ3b29kZmxpZXJAYW9sLmNvbSIgPHdvb2RmbGllckBhb2wuY29tPiB3cm90ZToNCg0KPiBKdXN0 IGFkZGluZyBvdXIgdGhvdWdodHMgYW5kIHByYXllcnMuIA0KPiBNYXR0IGFuZCBMeW5uZSBQYXh0 b24NCj4gDQo+IENvbm5lY3RlZCBieSBEUk9JRCBvbiBWZXJpem9uIFdpcmVsZXNzDQo+IGt577+9 77+977+9Iu+/ve2color77+9TTTvv71H77+9ce+/vSjvv73vv73vv73vv71377+9cu+/ve+/ve+/ ve+/vdOF77+977+9eten77+977+9S++/ve+/vUTvv73vv73vv70W77+977+9Sx7vv70X77+9au+/ ve+/vScsListFeatuu+/ve+/vTXvv73igato77+977+9G++/ve+/vSx677+9Xu+/ve+/ve+/vS4r Le+/vdil77+92J7vv73LnO+/ve+/vQvvv73vv71U77+977+9bu+/vSvvv73vv71i77+9cCtyGO+/ vXkn77+977+977+9Q++/vQnload7IO+/ve+/ve+/ve+/vSx4KFrvv71QED4aLe+/ve+/vVrvv73v v712a++/ve+/vWvvv73vv71qK3nvv71ree+/vW3vv73vv73vv73vv70MJmrvv73vv70nLHLvv73v v70177+94oGraO+/ve+/ve+/ve+/vVLvv73vv71t77+977+977+977+9DCZq77+977+9Jyxy77+9 77+9Ne+/veKBq2jvv73vv73vv73vv71S77+977+977+9MATvv70477+9AklhARTvv71UMSTvv73v v73vv70ree+/vVzvv717Xu+/vdal77+977+977+9ailablfvv73vv73vv71heWfvv70W77+977+9 xqHvv73vv73vv73vv71/77+977+9K++/vWsmau+/ve+/vScscu+/ve+/ve+/ve+/vX/vv73vv70r 77+9ayZq77+977+9Jyxy77+977+9aO+/ve+/ve+/vSon77+977+977+977+92Kjvv71n77+9Site Thbvv73vv70qLn7vv73vv73vv73vv716d++/ve+/ve+/vSzvv73vv71o77+977+9Gu+/ve+/ve+/ vWpZXi4rLQHZou+/ve+/vWt577+9be+/ve+/ve+/ve+/vQwmau+/ve+/vScscu+/ve+/vXLvv73v v70m77+9Kifvv73vv71p77+977+9MO+/vWbvv73vv73vv73vv71y77+9KO+/ve+/vSjvv73vv73v v71u77+9Yu+/vX/vv73vv73font/77+977+977+9bu+/vXLvv70bZg0K ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:29:11 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: motorcycle wheels - bronze bearings I bought my bronze, flanged, oilite bearings from McMaster Carr.- I made my own hubs with no oil/grease cup. Michael Perez =0APietenpol HINT Videos =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com =0A ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:13:44 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Kevin From: dog67@aol.com So sorry to hear about Kevin. You both are in my thoughts and prayers. While it is difficult to know what to say in times like this, know that the re are many folks here who care and will do anything we can to help. I'm up at Oshkosh - if we can do ANYTHING to help - please don't hesitate t o call. Jon Apfelbaum 801-913-1211 DO NOT ARCHIVE -----Original Message----- From: Robert Bush Sent: Tue, Jul 24, 2012 6:26 am Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Kevin Just wanted to say you are both in my thoughts and prayers as well. Any thi ng I can do to help just ask. Randy Bush Sent from my iPhone On Jul 24, 2012, at 6:56 AM, "woodflier@aol.com" wrote: Just adding our thoughts and prayers. 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Larry & Sheri Vetter Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379084#379084 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:25:52 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: prop clearence From: "bender" Model A and 76" prop.....9 inches .. jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379085#379085 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:30:54 AM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Kevin Kevin and Shelly: I was greatly saddened to hear of the accident. My ride with Kevin in FBG remains one of the high points in my aviation career and I would dearly love to repeat it one day in SpaceShip0.1. I have been praying for Kevin's speedy recovery and for your peace of mind and will continue to do so. The legend of Axel Purdy will only grow with this latest saga. Tom Stinemetze McPherson, KS. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:51:32 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Kevin From: ken anderson Got home late sunday catching up on emails. I am sorry to hear the news. Thoughts and prayers are with you. I read the list but rarely post Ken Anderson do not archive On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 8:15 AM, Larry Vetter wrote: > > Thoughts and prayers for Kevin, Shelly and their family...Also for Kevin's > full recovery.....Really sorry to hear this news..... > Larry & Sheri Vetter > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379084#379084 > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:10:48 AM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Thank you Hi Shelley, Just read email and saw messages about Kevin. Please know that Arlene and I will keep you and Kevin in our prayers and hope for a speedy recovery. Jim Boyer ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:30:20 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Kevin From: "ldmill" Kevin & Shelly, Our thoughts and prayers are with you. We pray for a full recovery. Joshua was sad to hear about this - you gave him his very first airplane ride ever on Saturday. He's one sad 18 year old right now. Lorin Miller and Lance Miller "The Iowa Boys" -------- Lorin Miller Waiex N81YX GN-1 N30PP Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379095#379095 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:28:04 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Kevin From: "taildrags" I've only met Kevin and his airplane once, but that was enough to cement the relationship. A true Pietenpoler, and a talented builder and pilot as well. I offer my prayers for a speedy recovery along with those of others here and abroad. There will be work to do, but he is fortunate to have his IT Girl at his side and so many others of you also nearby. Sorry I am not closer. do not archive -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford/Ashland, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379101#379101 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/kevin_oz_899.jpg ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:13:40 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Kevin Purtee Update From: "IT Girl" Kevin is awake, breathing on his own, and is doing great. He said that he is ready for visitors, so anyone still in the area is welcome to stop by. We are at UW in the TLC Room 19 -------- Shelley Tumino IT Girl wife of "Axel" NX899KP DO NOT ARCHIVE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379112#379112 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:42:58 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Kevin Purtee Update From: "John Francis" Thanks for the update Shelley. That's good news. John Do not archive -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379114#379114 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:43:11 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Kevin Purtee Update From: helspersew@aol.com "Praise the Lord!" TGWP do not archive -----Original Message----- From: IT Girl Sent: Tue, Jul 24, 2012 3:13 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Kevin Purtee Update Kevin is awake, breathing on his own, and is doing great. He said that he is ready for visitors, so anyone still in the area is welcome to stop by. We are at UW in the TLC Room 19 -------- Shelley Tumino IT Girl wife of "Axel" NX899KP DO NOT ARCHIVE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379112#379112 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:47:14 PM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Kevin Purtee Update Hi Shelley, That is wonderful news, wish I were there to see Kevin right now. Please tell Kevin Arlene and I are praying for him and want him to be well soon. Jim Boyer ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 03:14:46 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: motorcycle wheels - bronze bearings From: "nightmare" was wondering what the advantage of bronze over modern bearings. thanks; Paul Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379124#379124 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 04:06:54 PM PST US From: Jeff Wilson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: motorcycle wheels - bronze bearings Weight Sent from my iPhone On Jul 24, 2012, at 5:14 PM, "nightmare" wrote: > > was wondering what the advantage of bronze over modern bearings. thanks; Paul > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379124#379124 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:46:28 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: prop clearence From: "BYD" Model A and 76" prop 19" wheels.....8.5 inches -------- Please check with Larry "TC" Williams before archiving, otherwise, DO NOT ARCHIVE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379128#379128 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 06:49:02 PM PST US From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: motorcycle wheels - bronze bearings for me=2C I'm milling out the hubs and I want to remove as little material as possible. But weight as said previously is also a good reason. Also=2C inexpensive. > From: jlwilsonnn@yahoo.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: motorcycle wheels - bronze bearings > Date: Tue=2C 24 Jul 2012 18:06:28 -0500 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > > Weight > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 24=2C 2012=2C at 5:14 PM=2C "nightmare" wrote: > oo.com> > > > > was wondering what the advantage of bronze over modern bearings. thanks =3B Paul > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379124#379124 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 07:47:17 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: motorcycle wheels - bronze bearings ALL bearings in this thing are bronze journal bearings. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nP1_4ymsIig&feature=relmfu Also don't forget the engine in your car and plane. journal bearings again. Clif > > > was wondering what the advantage of bronze over modern bearings. thanks; > Paul ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 10:25:28 PM PST US From: jorge lizarraga Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: motorcycle wheels - bronze bearings engine Q, too. hello vi ,jorge for hanford congrat about your piet and all tose tales you sending us , bery helpfull for novice like my, in these pas mont I coming b ac fro mazatlan spend time whit my 4 year baby gilr and wife, when i bac to fresno wesnelson my american fhader get for my a new aereo v engine vw con vertion ,all complete include alot instrumet new bold tail weel, master cil inder for brake selenoide and alot thinks , big wonder full surprice, these parts coming fron kit unfinished dragon fly all new parts never used , i d on now homany horse power i haved but dragon fly is aroun 80-90horse power needed and 1835-2300. i think is ok for piet but I don have idea how put in my plane , in these moment , cuting wooden strips from sticka spruce 86 st rips for my ribs i used 1932 side ribs, probaly for the side used okumy ply , I glon to now your almos fly your wonderfull museum piet plane, i hope ca nd see these plane later tanks for all your post vi,jorge from hanford --- On Mon, 7/23/12, V Groah wrote: From: V Groah Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: motorcycle wheels - bronze bearings 1 1/2 should be plenty.- The plane is not that heavy.- Ours are about t hat and seem fine. - Vic NX414MV - do not archive - Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: motorcycle wheels - bronze bearings From: lmforge@earthlink.net Tom, Get them from Mcmaster Carr Rick Schreiber NX478RS Valparaiso, In Sent from my iPad On Jul 23, 2012, at 8:36 PM, TOM MICHELLE BRANT wrote: those that have used motorcycle wheels with Bronze bearings, - where did yo u get your material for the bearings.- I'm assuming you used sleeved (fla nged) bearing but I can only find stuff that's 1 1/2" long.- Was thinking it should be the entire hub length. 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I'm just now finding out that Kevin had this incident. My prayers are with you both, Kevin and Shelley! To repeat what all of the list has said, if there is ANYTHING that any of us can do, please don't hesitate to ask. We are ALL here for you both. do not archive -------- Billy McCaskill Baker, LA tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379135#379135 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 10:57:03 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: motorcycle wheels - bronze bearings From: "Billy McCaskill" Because motorcycle wheels are taller, they already have much less rolling resistance than short wheels like Cubs and such use, there is no need for the reduced friction of roller or ball bearings in the hubs of motorcycle wheels. It also eliminated the need for threading the ends of the axles for the adjusting/retaining nuts required by ball or roller bearings. And at the low speeds they're used at on an airplane, bronze with some grease in the hub is more than adequate. -------- Billy McCaskill Baker, LA tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379136#379136 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 11:19:11 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead report From: "Billy McCaskill" Dan's report on this year's reunion was spot-on! All who were present missed those of you who were not, and we all had a great time reuniting with each other and meeting new faces that go with the names on the Matronics list. This was my 4th consecutive trip, and I certainly plan to be there next year as well. Dan certainly made up for lost time when he started giving the rides in his gorgeous airplane, and I was fortunate to get two flights in it this past weekend. Thanks Dan, it was fabulous! And thanks to Shelley for playing den mother to the rest of us misfits and infidels who camped in the cove, you took great care of all of us. A great time was had by all, and I'm counting the days until Brodhead 2013! -------- Billy McCaskill Baker, LA tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379137#379137 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.