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1. 03:49 AM - Re: Hacked Email Address (George Abernathy)
2. 05:12 AM - Re: Re: motorcycle wheels - bronze bearings (Michael Perez)
3. 05:25 AM - Cause of NX899KP incident (IT Girl)
4. 06:06 AM - Re: Kevin Purtee Update part Deaux (TOM STINEMETZE)
5. 06:21 AM - Re: Cause of NX899KP incident (Bill Church)
6. 07:03 AM - Re: Cause of NX899KP incident (Kip and Beth Gardner)
7. 07:17 AM - Re: Cause of NX899KP incident (aerocarjake)
8. 08:56 AM - Re: Cause of NX899KP incident (Jim Boyer)
9. 10:13 AM - Kevin Purtee accident Operation Axel Launch (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
10. 11:10 AM - Re: Kevin Purtee accident Operation Axel Launch (gboothe5@comcast.net)
11. 11:20 AM - Re: Kevin Purtee accident Operation Axel Launch (brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com)
12. 11:58 AM - Re: Kevin Purtee accident Operation Axel Launch (Ryan Mueller)
13. 12:30 PM - Re: Kevin Purtee Update part Deaux (899PM)
14. 12:58 PM - Re: Kevin Purtee accident Operation Axel Launch (Jim Boyer)
15. 01:01 PM - Fw: Kevin Purtee accident Operation Axel Launch (Jim Boyer)
16. 01:09 PM - Re: Kevin Purtee accident Operation Axel Launch (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
17. 01:09 PM - Greenlee email address (Ken Bickers)
18. 06:34 PM - Piet damaged in storm at OSH (woodflier@aol.com)
19. 06:49 PM - Re: Piet damaged in storm at OSH (Gary Boothe)
20. 06:57 PM - Re: Piet damaged in storm at OSH (Gary Boothe)
21. 06:58 PM - Re: Piet damaged in storm at OSH (Gary Boothe)
22. 07:37 PM - Re: Kevin Purtee accident Operation Axel Launch (Jim Boyer)
23. 07:39 PM - Re: Piet damaged in storm at OSH (Jim Boyer)
24. 07:42 PM - Re: Piet damaged in storm at OSH (gboothe5@comcast.net)
25. 07:46 PM - Re: Hacked Email Address (Mark Roberts)
26. 07:53 PM - plANS (gdloucks)
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| Subject: | Re: Hacked Email Address |
I am rapidly losing confidence in the Bank of Spain or Nigeria. =0A=0A=0ADO
not Archive=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Gary Boot
he <gboothe5@comcast.net>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Thurs
day, July 26, 2012 1:07 PM=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Hacked Email Addr
cast.net>=0A=0AToo bad! The check was going out tomorrow...=0A=0AGary Booth
e=0ANX308MB=0ADo not archive=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: owner-pie
tenpol-list-server@matronics.com=0A[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matr
onics.com] On Behalf Of Pieti Lowell=0ASent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 7:52
PM=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Hacked Ema
<Lowellcfrank@yahoo.com>=0A=0APlease do not send the thousands of dollars
that my Email address is asking=0Ato send, I'm not in Spain, I did not lose
my wallet nor phone.=0AThe crafty hacker accessed my Email address and cha
nged the password which=0Amade it very difficult thing to stop the vulture
from sending to my contacts=0A. My new address will be forth-coming.or sent
to those that want to contact=0Ame, When- asks to correct or verify your
Address DO NOT respond, delete,=0APieti Lowell=0A=0ADon't archive=0A=0A=0A
=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtop
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| Subject: | Re: motorcycle wheels - bronze bearings |
Buchanan's people are great to work with.
-It makes total sense now...with needing the spokes over/under for cleara
nce...not sure why I didn't figure that out up front! (Doh)
My hubs are 100% S.S.- The flanges are 3/16" thick.
-I wanted to make sure the bearings would not rotate inside the hub, so I
machined the SS tube and then heated it with a torch and chilled the beari
ngs.- It was a very tight fit...too tight...I should have machined just a
tad more. My point is at that stage of the fabrication, take your time and
have the bearings in hand so you can measure and fit them as you like.
You will need to countersink the spoke holes on both sides of the flanges.
Larger counter bores for the spoke heads and slightly smaller ones on the o
pposite side for clearance for the spoke bend. If you look close you will n
otice my counter bores alternate large, small, large, etc., that is for the
over/under spoke orientation.- Having said all that, if I had to do it a
gain, I would make all the counter bores the same size...large.
I would love to see in work and finished photos as you go, either here or o
ff list.- If you need any other help, just let me know.
Michael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Cause of NX899KP incident |
On Sunday afternoon, about 2:30 NX899KP departed C37 en route to Texas. Less
than 10 minutes into the flight, the engine began running rough, so Kevin turned
back to C37 so he could evaluate the problem. Once on the ground (at 1421)
he called me to tell me of the issue, and I immediately turned around and headed
back to the airport.
While on the ground, Kevin performed several checks to ensure that the engine had
normal power. During run-up, the engine was performing to standard, so he
decided to take her up for a quick turn around the pattern.
Upon takeoff, the aircraft started to loose power and Kevin made a turn to head
back, but did not make it and crashed in the cornfield. The aircraft climbed
to approx 200' when the engine gradually lost power.
The FAA has determined, and we agree that there was water in the fuel.
When Kevin is up to it, he will write more to you on this subject. he will discuss
the contributing factors on this issue, with discussion on possible design
modifications suggested by the FAA investigator to avoid this same issue in other
Pietenpols.
The airplane is in pretty bad shape. The wing was destroyed, as it absorbed much
of the impact (and frankly saved Kevins life). Damage to the wing was further
done by rescue crews who used a chainsaw in order to extricate Kevin from
the wreckage. The forward passenger compartment was completely destroyed by
the impact. The fuselage broke in half. Based on the photos he have seen, there
may be damage to the tail section as well. We do not know yet what, if anything,
can be salvaged (other than the name plate).
Here is my 2 cents, as wife and partner on this project. I truly believe that
the design on this aircraft is good. The outcome of this event would have been
quite different if it were not.
Kevin recieved several injuries: a broken nose, 2 black eyes and knuckle bumps,
lacerations on his face and arms, 2 broken ribs, damage to his bowel with internal
bleeding, pulmonary contusions, several fractures to his pelvis and a broken
right femur. Damage to his bowel and right femur have been surgically repaired.
His other injuries will heal in good time.
We are truly grateful for your support and prayers during this time, and i personally
appreciate your patience while we figured this all out.
--------
Shelley Tumino
IT Girl
wife of "Axel"
NX899KP
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Kevin Purtee Update part Deaux |
AMEN!
Stinemetze
>>> "IT Girl" <shlizbth@gmail.com> 7/25/2012 5:10 PM >>>
Your prayers are working! We have had several visitors today, thanks Michael Cuy,
Rob Busch, Matt Paxton, Lynn Paxton, John Hofmann, and Ryan Mueller. We are
expecting a couple more visitors this evening. They want to move him out of
ICU today... can you believe it? Soon he will be on his feet. My God is an
AWESOME GOD.
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Shelley Tumino
IT Girl
wife of "Axel"
NX899KP
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Cause of NX899KP incident |
Just a quick note to add, before anyone asks, or speculates.
Kevin DID drain the gascolator before running the engine on Sunday.
Bill C.
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Cause of NX899KP incident |
Thank you Shelly for recounting something that must be hard to relive
in print. Glad to hear that Kevin is doing well, and while by no
means downplaying the extent of his injuries, I'm glad to hear they
were not worse.
I think we'll all appreciate any other info regarding this accident as
you or Kevin have time to post it.
Kip Gardner
On Jul 26, 2012, at 8:24 AM, IT Girl wrote:
>
> On Sunday afternoon, about 2:30 NX899KP departed C37 en route to
> Texas. Less than 10 minutes into the flight, the engine began
> running rough, so Kevin turned back to C37 so he could evaluate the
> problem. Once on the ground (at 1421) he called me to tell me of
> the issue, and I immediately turned around and headed back to the
> airport.
> While on the ground, Kevin performed several checks to ensure that
> the engine had normal power. During run-up, the engine was
> performing to standard, so he decided to take her up for a quick
> turn around the pattern.
>
> Upon takeoff, the aircraft started to loose power and Kevin made a
> turn to head back, but did not make it and crashed in the
> cornfield. The aircraft climbed to approx 200' when the engine
> gradually lost power.
>
> The FAA has determined, and we agree that there was water in the fuel.
>
> When Kevin is up to it, he will write more to you on this subject.
> he will discuss the contributing factors on this issue, with
> discussion on possible design modifications suggested by the FAA
> investigator to avoid this same issue in other Pietenpols.
>
> The airplane is in pretty bad shape. The wing was destroyed, as it
> absorbed much of the impact (and frankly saved Kevins life). Damage
> to the wing was further done by rescue crews who used a chainsaw in
> order to extricate Kevin from the wreckage. The forward passenger
> compartment was completely destroyed by the impact. The fuselage
> broke in half. Based on the photos he have seen, there may be
> damage to the tail section as well. We do not know yet what, if
> anything, can be salvaged (other than the name plate).
>
> Here is my 2 cents, as wife and partner on this project. I truly
> believe that the design on this aircraft is good. The outcome of
> this event would have been quite different if it were not.
>
> Kevin recieved several injuries: a broken nose, 2 black eyes and
> knuckle bumps, lacerations on his face and arms, 2 broken ribs,
> damage to his bowel with internal bleeding, pulmonary contusions,
> several fractures to his pelvis and a broken right femur. Damage to
> his bowel and right femur have been surgically repaired. His other
> injuries will heal in good time.
>
> We are truly grateful for your support and prayers during this time,
> and i personally appreciate your patience while we figured this all
> out.
>
> --------
> Shelley Tumino
> IT Girl
> wife of "Axel"
> NX899KP
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379215#379215
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cause of NX899KP incident |
Thanks Shelley...... Kevin and I have only touched base on this forum a few times
yet I appreciate all you both are doing for the greater Pietenpol community
- THANKS.... and wishes for Kevin's speedy recovery.....
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| Subject: | Re: Cause of NX899KP incident |
Hi Shelley,
Thank you for the update on Kevin and info on the accident. I think it is due to
strength of the Piet that Kevin was not more seriously hurt. That strong wing
absorbed much of the impact.
Tell Kevin that femurs heal pretty fast; next time I see him we can compare notes.
Really good to hear he is improving and is being moved out of ICU.
Tell Kevin Hi and we will keep you both in our prayers.
All our best
Jim and Arlene
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| Subject: | Kevin Purtee accident Operation Axel Launch |
Hello Good People
Every once in a while we are given a unique opportunity to demonstrate our
commitment to one and other. That opportunity has once again presented
itself, I am pleased, proud and honored to once again be privileged in
bringing this unique opportunity to you.
As you are aware well aware by now, our good friend and valued member of
our group, Kevin Purtee was life flighted to the hospital following the
crash of his Pietenpol aircamper FBG.
Sunday following the Brodhead flyin as Kevin attempted to take off for
home. His aircraft developed engine trouble, lost power at or about an
altitude of 200=99 AGL. The aircraft plummeted to the ground with K
evin at the
controls. He landed nose first into the adjacent cornfield and had to be c
ut
out of his Piet by chainsaw and transported to the Monroe Wisconsin hospi
tal
by Life Flight.
Shelley has been keeping us informed of his medical condition and progress
which is very encouraging following the two surgeries. Like everyone else,
I have been monitoring his progress and the emails through the board to
Shelley offering prayers and assistance. Thank God for his recovery as thi
ngs
could have easily turned for the worst we are fortunate to have Kevin on
the mend. We still have no idea of FBG's condition but I would be certain
she is not as healthy as Kevin=99s and will need extensive surgery t
o get her
back in flying shape.
Which brings to the point of this writing, we have no idea as to insurance
coverages for Kevin=99s medical bills and or for FBG will be? I can
however,
assure you they will be both be high and not fully covered by insurance. I
am asking each one of our members and those of this Pietenpol flying and
building family to look into your hearts and wallets for a contribution to
the Kevin & FBG recovery fund.
For the next 7 days Ryan Mueller will be accepting the love offerings and
gifts for Kevin to help with any residual costs arising from a crash, one
that could have easily taken his life. Ryan will explain how the funds can
be presented and will keep track of all cash, checks, credit card and payp
al
transfers into a special account on behalf of Kevin. Ryan will keep in
confidence the names, amounts and identities of all contributors unless
directed to do so by the contributors.
Many of you/us old timers have done this once before with great success, I
am hoping we, the collective we, can once again join together in making
the magic of the lightning striking again with a successful fund drive on
behalf of Kevin, Shelley and Fat Bottom Girl.
Your group representatives include Ryan Mueller a talented and experienced
e commerce accountant of former fame, myself (the mouth) a not so talented
and the ever so lovely Dan Helsper who is new to the fund raiser group and
not as good looking as the former but talented and good hearted none the
less, the sponsor and driving force behind this movement, thank you Dan.
You my friends unfortunately will be subjected to my constant emails
asking for your generosity in sharing your resources in the Love gifts for
the
next 7 days.
I will turn the explanation of the mechanics of funds to Ryan who will
instruct you on how to make your pledges and contributions to the Operatio
n
Axel fund for lack of a better name.
I want to thank you all in advance for your contributions and prayers
which are both essential and appreciated.
Sincerely,
John Recine
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| Subject: | Re: Kevin Purtee accident Operation Axel Launch |
*****PLEASE NOTE*****
I have setup an email account entitled "operationaxel@gmail.com" for this
effort. Instructions for how to contribute will be coming from this
address, not my personal. Please also direct any communication regarding
Operation Axel to that address (helps me keep things separate on my end).
Thank you Dan for the genesis of the idea for this effort, and John for
helping flesh it out.
As John indicated, I will be handling the logistics of collection,
tracking, and ultimately distribution of the contributions.
*****IMPORTANT*****
I ask that everyone please be patient, and do not do anything just yet. I
am up at Oshkosh (with no computer) and will be heading back home at
daybreak tomorrow, arriving back home around midday. I want to test the
various accounts to ensure there are no snafus, and then I will send out
instructions on how to contribute to this most worthwhile effort.
In the meantime, keep sending prayers for Kevin and Shelley, and please
consider being part of demonstrating the kindness and generosity of our
wonderful Pietenpol community by joining us in this effort. Thank you for
your patience,
Ryan
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 26, 2012, at 12:15 PM, "AMsafetyC@aol.com" <AMsafetyC@aol.com> wrote
:
Hello Good People
Every once in a while we are given a unique opportunity to demonstrate our
commitment to one and other. That opportunity has once again presented
itself, I am pleased, proud and honored to once again be privileged in
bringing this unique opportunity to you.
As you are aware well aware by now, our good friend and valued member of
our group, Kevin Purtee was life flighted to the hospital following the
crash of his Pietenpol aircamper FBG.
Sunday following the Brodhead flyin as Kevin attempted to take off for
home. His aircraft developed engine trouble, lost power at or about an
altitude of 200=92 AGL. The aircraft plummeted to the ground with Kevin at
the controls. He landed nose first into the adjacent cornfield and had to
be cut out of his Piet by chainsaw and transported to the Monroe Wisconsin
hospital by Life Flight.
Shelley has been keeping us informed of his medical condition and progress
which is very encouraging following the two surgeries. Like everyone else,
I have been monitoring his progress and the emails through the board to
Shelley offering prayers and assistance. Thank God for his recovery as
things could have easily turned for the worst we are fortunate to have
Kevin on the mend. We still have no idea of FBG's condition but I would be
certain she is not as healthy as Kevin=92s and will need extensive surgery
to
get her back in flying shape.
Which brings to the point of this writing, we have no idea as to insurance
coverages for Kevin=92s medical bills and or for FBG will be? I can however
,
assure you they will be both be high and not fully covered by insurance. I
am asking each one of our members and those of this Pietenpol flying and
building family to look into your hearts and wallets for a contribution to
the Kevin & FBG recovery fund.
For the next 7 days Ryan Mueller will be accepting the love offerings and
gifts for Kevin to help with any residual costs arising from a crash, one
that could have easily taken his life. Ryan will explain how the funds can
be presented and will keep track of all cash, checks, credit card and
paypal transfers into a special account on behalf of Kevin. Ryan will keep
in confidence the names, amounts and identities of all contributors unless
directed to do so by the contributors.
Many of you/us old timers have done this once before with great success, I
am hoping we, the collective we, can once again join together in making the
magic of the lightning striking again with a successful fund drive on
behalf of Kevin, Shelley and Fat Bottom Girl.
Your group representatives include Ryan Mueller a talented and experienced
e commerce accountant of former fame, myself (the mouth) a not so talented
and the ever so lovely Dan Helsper who is new to the fund raiser group and
not as good looking as the former but talented and good hearted none the
less, the sponsor and driving force behind this movement, thank you Dan.
You my friends unfortunately will be subjected to my constant emails asking
for your generosity in sharing your resources in the Love gifts for the
next 7 days.
I will turn the explanation of the mechanics of funds to Ryan who will
instruct you on how to make your pledges and contributions to the Operation
Axel fund for lack of a better name.
I want to thank you all in advance for your contributions and prayers which
are both essential and appreciated.
Sincerely,
John Recine
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| Subject: | Re: Kevin Purtee Update part Deaux |
Shelly,
Can you PM me with a phone#? I live in Ft Atkinson and have time to stop up this
evening if Kevin is up to taking visitors.
Mike Cushway
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PAPA MIKE
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379260#379260
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| Subject: | Re: Kevin Purtee accident Operation Axel Launch |
Hi John, Ryan and Dan,
thank you all for organizing this effort for Kevin and Shelley. Be sure to send
me all the info and I will monitor this site to be sure not to miss any comms
about the group.
Its wonderful Kevin is doing well and I'll bet poor FBG is going to need some real
TLC; maybe sub-manufactured parts?
I will be glad to take part in this effort.
Jim B.
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| Subject: | Kevin Purtee accident Operation Axel Launch |
Obvously I meant others helping to make parts for FBG, not sub-par parts! T
hought I better clarify myself; words are not my best suite.
Cheers,
Jim B.
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----- Forwarded Message -----
From: "Jim Boyer" <boyerjrb@comcast.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 12:58:02 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Kevin Purtee accident Operation Axel Launch
Hi John, Ryan and Dan,
thank you all for organizing this effort for Kevin and Shelley. Be sure to
send me all the info and I will monitor this site to be sure not to miss an
y comms about the group.
Its wonderful Kevin is doing well and I'll bet poor FBG is going to need so
me real TLC; maybe sub-manufactured parts?
I will be glad to take part in this effort.
Jim B.
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=C2-
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| Subject: | Re: Kevin Purtee accident Operation Axel Launch |
No problem Jim, I am certain Kevin has already rebuilt her in his head
already so it would no far stretch in that hes got a basic list of parts,
assemblies and materials already listed in his head. Along with a basic rebuild
plan of action.
As soon as hes ready I am sure hell be in touch to place his parts order.
Thanks on behalf of Kevin, Shelley and FBG
John
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| Subject: | Greenlee email address |
I'm trying to reach John Greenlee. If anyone has contact info (esp.
an email address) for him, I'd appreciate having it sent to me
off-line. Thanks, Ken
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| Subject: | Piet damaged in storm at OSH |
My Piet pulled the tie down stakes up on Thursday's storm and the airplane
was pushed backwards into a parked car. Left stabilizer damaged aft of the
spar. EAA is letting me use its woo shop and emergency repair volunteers
helping. Think I'm going to experiment with exterior latex housepaint to
finish it, at least to fly home. Hope to be airworthy by Sunday.
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| Subject: | Piet damaged in storm at OSH |
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| Subject: | Piet damaged in storm at OSH |
Nevermindgot it off the forum
Matt =93 Good luck with the repair! Latex is a good idea! Keep us
posted
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| Subject: | Piet damaged in storm at OSH |
Those damned cars! Must have been an SUV
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| Subject: | Re: Kevin Purtee accident Operation Axel Launch |
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No problem Jim, I am certain Kevin has already rebuilt her in his head alre
ady so it would no far stretch in that hes got a basic list of parts, assem
blies and materials already listed in his head. Along with a basic rebuild
plan of action.
As soon as hes ready I am sure hell be in touch to place his parts order.
Thanks on behalf of Kevin, Shelley and FBG
John Good John, I'll be waiting to hear what the plan is. Cheers, Jim
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| Subject: | Re: Piet damaged in storm at OSH |
Hi Gary,
this is what I got:
My Piet pulled the tie down stakes up on Thursday's storm and the airplane was
pushed backwards into a parked car. Left stabilizer damaged aft of the spar. EAA
is letting me use its woo shop and emergency repair volunteers helping. Think
I'm going to experiment with exterior latex housepaint to finish it, at least
to fly home. Hope to be airworthy by Sunday.
Cheers,
Jim B.
PS Welcome home
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| Subject: | Re: Piet damaged in storm at OSH |
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| Subject: | Re: Hacked Email Address |
Lowell:
This was an obvious attack by some devious, bitter Pieter due to you switching
from a 'Pure' piet airfoil to a Riblett 612 oh so many years ago....!
Had it happen to me too. There are some pretty worthless folks out there with nothing
else to do besides crack others email accounts.
Mark
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