---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 07/30/12: 29 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:11 AM - Re: Kevin Purtee Update 7/29/2012 (helspersew@aol.com) 2. 04:26 AM - Re: Tail wires and Turnbuckle (helspersew@aol.com) 3. 05:55 AM - Re: Hello Good People (caldwrl) 4. 05:59 AM - 1/16th tail brace wires (Douwe Blumberg) 5. 06:39 AM - Re: Tail wires and Turnbuckle (Michael Perez) 6. 07:11 AM - A simple way to make the straight axle LG () 7. 07:26 AM - Re: A simple way to make the straight axle LG (Ken Bickers) 8. 08:20 AM - Re: Hello Good People (TOM STINEMETZE) 9. 08:41 AM - Re: Hello Good People (AircamperN11MS) 10. 08:47 AM - A-65 Valve Covers (Oscar Zuniga) 11. 08:55 AM - Re: Hello Good People (gboothe5@comcast.net) 12. 08:56 AM - Re: A simple way to make the straight axle LG (Michael Perez) 13. 08:59 AM - Re: A-65 Valve Covers (Michael Perez) 14. 10:38 AM - Re: Re: Tail wires and Turnbuckle (skipgadd@earthlink.net) 15. 11:03 AM - Re: I've bought a Piet! (K5YAC) 16. 12:31 PM - Re: A simple way to make the straight axle LG (C N Campbell) 17. 01:05 PM - Re: A-65 Valve Covers (taildrags) 18. 02:04 PM - Re: A-65 Valve Covers (AircamperN11MS) 19. 02:53 PM - Re: Kevin Purtee Update 7/29/2012 (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB) 20. 03:11 PM - Re: Kevin Purtee Update 7/29/2012 (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB) 21. 03:20 PM - Re: Kevin Purtee Update 7/29/2012 (dgaldrich) 22. 06:01 PM - Re: A simple way to make the straight axle LG (Gene Rambo) 23. 06:02 PM - Re: 1/16th tail brace wires (Gene Rambo) 24. 06:40 PM - Kevin Purtee update 7/30/2012 (IT Girl) 25. 06:59 PM - Re: Kevin Purtee update 7/30/2012 (Jim Boyer) 26. 08:11 PM - not fun, but educational... (Douwe Blumberg) 27. 09:07 PM - Re: Kevin Purtee update 7/30/2012 (taildrags) 28. 09:24 PM - Re: 1/16th tail brace wires (taildrags) 29. 10:45 PM - Air Compressor (dwilson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:11:16 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Kevin Purtee Update 7/29/2012 From: helspersew@aol.com Wow, an incredible transformation! 7 days from near oblivion. Testimony to the man. Can't keep him down. You GO Kev! Dan Helsper Puryear, TN do not archive -----Original Message----- From: Greg Cardinal Sent: Sun, Jul 29, 2012 5:13 pm Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Kevin Purtee Update 7/29/2012 t> John Hofman and Chris Bobka visited Kevin earlier today and asked to have a n update posted. Kevin is feeling well enough to complain about the food so he is scheduled to be discharged tomorrow. He will travel via Amtrak and be home within 24 hours. Shipping arrangements for FBG are in the works and she will arrive at her hangar soon. Greg Cardinal ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:26:40 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tail wires and Turnbuckle From: helspersew@aol.com Fred, I used 1/16" dia 7 x 7 wire cable for tail brace wires, same as Bernerd's L ast Original that was displayed at Brodhead last week. 70 hours and my tail feathers haven't moved. This cable is available from ACS. Dan Helsper Puryear TN -----Original Message----- From: FandS_Piet Sent: Sun, Jul 29, 2012 5:51 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail wires and Turnbuckle Hey Guys, I am wondering if it is best or common practice to use 1x19 wire for the tail bracing. Thats what I want to use but it only seems to be available in 1/1 6th which doesnt give me a warm fuzzy feeling, and 1/8th which I think is too b ig. Im also worried about wrapping it around the thimble, if it is possible? Also turn buckle size. Long or short, or does it not matter? Are there an y areas where the shorter turnbuckles dont allow for enough adjustment? Thanks -------- Fred Kim Pittsburgh, Pa Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379528#379528 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:55:33 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hello Good People From: "caldwrl" Well, my proof reading skills are deplorable. In my previous post, the word "not" should have been "now"... meaning, I do have the Piet wired and plumbed, and of course, it is hot in TX. Come on home Kevin and Shelley... no place like it. Do not archive -------- Robert Caldwell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379566#379566 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:59:15 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: 1/16th tail brace wires I've heard this discussion before. Lots of guys have used 3/32nd on the tail wires because they are abused in the turbulent air, and are relatively important. The idea being the thicker cable will withstand vibration better over time. Some guys have used 1/16th because the rated strength grossly exceeds the strength of the wooden structure they support. Some guys have used the original hard wire per the plans. My question is this. Has anyone EVER experienced a busted, or busting 1/16th cable on their tail assembly? Douwe ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:39:34 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tail wires and Turnbuckle Fred, (or anyone else) I have the means to swage fittings on cables if you are interested in using swage on fittings at opposed to the thimble/nicopre ss arrangement.- Contact me off list. Michael Perez =0APietenpol HINT Videos =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:11:19 AM PST US From: Subject: Pietenpol-List: A simple way to make the straight axle LG Just wanted to pass along how I tackled the straight axle LG - It worked relly well for me. Seeing some photos of upside down fuselages and a lot of jigging going on really intimidated me. I figured there had to be a way to figure all this out with some math. As it turned out, my guess was correct. Check out this article at MATH IS FUN http://www.mathsisfun.com/algebra/trig-finding-angle-right-triangle.html I MUST have been sick the day they taught this in algebra class. Theory: Any leg angle (front to back or left to right)are just like a ladder against a wall. If I have two of the three numbers such as the height of the ladder and the distance the base is from the wall, I can determine the ladders angle. The article sample uses a ladder 5 feet tall and 2.5 feet from the wall at the ladders base ( Opposite = 2.5 and Hypotenuse = 5). I plugged the LG numbers into Microsoft Excel using the formula =Degrees (ASIN(Opposite / Hypotenuse)) or more literally =Degrees (ASIN(2.5 / 5)). The correct answer is 30 (degrees) for the example in the article. A simple scientific calculator works just as well using Sin-1 (2.5 / 5) = 30 (degrees) Reality: I took the numbers from the plans and plugged them into excel to get my 3 primary angles (one for front legs, one for rear legs and a third for the compound angle which was the same for every cut). As I explain below there is artistically a fourth angle. First attempt: With my angles in hand I went to the miter saw and set my angles and began to turn a long piece of wood into many short ones - until I got compound cutting operations under control lost $3.59 and a half hour of my life gained knowledge. Hints you do not need to lift flip or rotate the board to make the seconds cut (per strut) just slide it left or right! All cuts have the compound angle the same and it is never changed. Second Attempt: My seconds attempt was near perfect! The rear struts were dead on. I just wanted to make a slight adjustment for the forward strut top cut to compensate for the slight curvature of the fuse bottom (I added 7 degrees to the left) and it was spot on! All in all I had ONE HOUR in the cutting and assembling of the mock up LG not including attempt #1. A small air nail gun worked great to attach the legs to my simulated ash blocks. I used a carpenter square (like you might use a plumb bob) and tape measure to check the finished article to the dimensions on the plans and they were dead on! If you are wondering how to determine the length of the struts (hypotenuse), and the distance from the wall (Opposite) for the landing gear - these numbers are stated and or determined from the numbers on the LG plans. Hints: Opposite = ((LG width fuse width) / 2). Do not include the width of the ash blocks. If you choose to use the TAN-1/ATAN() or COS-1/ACOS() functions, remember to subtract the height of the ash blocks from the Adjacent (this number is on the plans). Tools: Straight axle LG plans ($20), compound miter saw (borrowed $0), carpenters square, tape measure, pencil, air nail gun + compressor, Microsoft Excel or a scientific calculator, half a brain Materials for prototype: One 8 long 2 X pine board (or two if you are a novice at compound miter cutting!) and some nails /staples for the nail gun ($3.49). Feel free to email off list me with questions. I might even do a video if enough ask for me to do so! Now I just have to figure out how to bend metal fittings. Bob Early Builder Dewenter rdewenter (a) woh.rr.com ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:26:26 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A simple way to make the straight axle LG From: Ken Bickers Bob, I already finished my gear legs. I wish I had seen this first. I'm definitely filing this away in my "resources for the future" folder. Cheers, Ken Do Not Archive On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 8:10 AM, wrote: > > Just wanted to pass along how I tackled the straight axle LG - It worked relly well for me. Seeing some photos of upside down fuselages and a lot of jigging going on really intimidated me. I figured there had to be a way to figure all this out with some math. As it turned out, my guess was correct. > > Check out this article at MATH IS FUN http://www.mathsisfun.com/algebra/trig-finding-angle-right-triangle.html I MUST have been sick the day they taught this in algebra class. > > Theory: > > Any leg angle (front to back or left to right)are just like a ladder against a wall. If I have two of the three numbers such as the height of the ladder and the distance the base is from the wall, I can determine the ladders angle. > > The article sample uses a ladder 5 feet tall and 2.5 feet from the wall at the ladders base ( Opposite = 2.5 and Hypotenuse = 5). I plugged the LG numbers into Microsoft Excel using the formula =Degrees (ASIN(Opposite / Hypotenuse)) or more literally =Degrees (ASIN(2.5 / 5)). The correct answer is 30 (degrees) for the example in the article. A simple scientific calculator works just as well using Sin-1 (2.5 / 5) = 30 (degrees) > > Reality: > > I took the numbers from the plans and plugged them into excel to get my 3 primary angles (one for front legs, one for rear legs and a third for the compound angle which was the same for every cut). As I explain below there is artistically a fourth angle. > > First attempt: With my angles in hand I went to the miter saw and set my angles and began to turn a long piece of wood into many short ones - until I got compound cutting operations under control lost $3.59 and a half hour of my life gained knowledge. Hints you do not need to lift flip or rotate the board to make the seconds cut (per strut) just slide it left or right! All cuts have the compound angle the same and it is never changed. > > Second Attempt: My seconds attempt was near perfect! The rear struts were dead on. I just wanted to make a slight adjustment for the forward strut top cut to compensate for the slight curvature of the fuse bottom (I added 7 degrees to the left) and it was spot on! > > All in all I had ONE HOUR in the cutting and assembling of the mock up LG not including attempt #1. A small air nail gun worked great to attach the legs to my simulated ash blocks. I used a carpenter square (like you might use a plumb bob) and tape measure to check the finished article to the dimensions on the plans and they were dead on! > > If you are wondering how to determine the length of the struts (hypotenuse), and the distance from the wall (Opposite) for the landing gear - these numbers are stated and or determined from the numbers on the LG plans. > > Hints: Opposite = ((LG width fuse width) / 2). Do not include the width of the ash blocks. If you choose to use the TAN-1/ATAN() or COS-1/ACOS() functions, remember to subtract the height of the ash blocks from the Adjacent (this number is on the plans). > > Tools: Straight axle LG plans ($20), compound miter saw (borrowed $0), carpenters square, tape measure, pencil, air nail gun + compressor, Microsoft Excel or a scientific calculator, half a brain > > Materials for prototype: One 8 long 2 X pine board (or two if you are a novice at compound miter cutting!) and some nails /staples for the nail gun ($3.49). > > Feel free to email off list me with questions. I might even do a video if enough ask for me to do so! > > Now I just have to figure out how to bend metal fittings. > > Bob Early Builder Dewenter > rdewenter (a) woh.rr.com > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:20:36 AM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Hello Good People ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:41:47 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hello Good People From: "AircamperN11MS" Kevin, Sorry to hear about your accident. I just got back from my own vacation and in disbelief as I read these threads. Anyway, I am glad to see you are on the mend and hope one day to meet you and shake your hand. You have many friends around you and all of them are pulling for you. Best wishes, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379594#379594 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:47:20 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: A-65 Valve Covers Mike=3B I got the ones for my A75 on eBay. They always seem to be out there=3B you just have to watch for them and be patient. I bought two different lots b efore I got a matched set of 4 valve covers=2C but it's easy to sell what y ou don't want. I wanted the stamped ones (lighter than the cast ones=2C I think). Cleaned=2C prepped=2C painted=2C and they look like new again. Us e the orange synthetic rubber gaskets for leak-free seals... cork will hard en and weep. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket" Medford=2C OR website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:55:08 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Hello Good People From: gboothe5@comcast.net Well said, Tom! Do not archive Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com This is a MIME message. If you are reading this text, you may want to consider changing to a mail reader or gateway that understands how to properly handle MIME multipart messages. Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=__Part85B4CE0D.1__=" --=__Part85B4CE0D.1__ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 3rd: thanks for the offer of financial and other support. Very generous but please only give WHAT you can, IF you can, and if you WANT TO. You owe us nothing but your friendship, which you are already generous with. -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/San Marcos, TX Kevin and Shelly: There is no blessing we can have in this life that exceeds the blessing of friendship. True friends are those who are there just because there is a need with no thought of the cost or inconvenience. Friends don't just happen by accident, they are the result of time spent and acts of kindness given. You guys have created these friendships just because of the kind of folks you are. Consequently, in return you are blessed when things go wrong. Kind of neat how God worked that out, eh? I have been blessed similarly during my recent bout with back surgery and my seemingly endless ongoing recovery. I say this only to give credence to my claim to understand what you are going through. i.e. the pain, the wonderful feeling of being able to walk yourself to the bathroom, the CONSTIPATION (sorry), the hospital food, etc. etc. I am with you in spirit if not in fact and intend to be with you in dollars as well - just because you folks are true friends and nobody can have enough of those. ( Now you want to hug me, eh? Well forget about it!) Tom Stinemetze N328X do not archive --=__Part85B4CE0D.1__ Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description: HTML
3rd: thanks for the offer of financial and other support.  Very generous but please only give WHAT you can, IF you can, and if you WANT TO.  You owe us nothing but your friendship, which you are already generous with.

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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
Kevin and Shelly:
 
There is no blessing we can have in this life that exceeds the blessing of friendship.  True friends are those who are there just because there is a need with no thought of the cost or inconvenience.& nbsp; Friends don't just happen by accident, they are the result of time spent and acts of kindness given.  You guys have created these friendships just because of the kind of folks you are.  Consequently, in return you are blessed when things go wrong.  Kind of neat how God worked that out, eh?
 
I have been blessed similarly during my recent bout with back surgery and my seemingly endless ongoing recovery.  I say this only to give credence to my claim to understand what you are going through.  ; i.e. the pain, the wonderful feeling of being able to walk yourself to the bathroom, the CONSTIPATION (sorry), the hospital food, etc. etc.  I am with you in spirit if not in fact and intend to be with you in dollars as well - just because you folks are true friends and nobody can have enough of those.  ( Now you want to hug me, eh?  Well forget about it!)
 
Tom Stinemetze
N328X
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--=__Part85B4CE0D.1__=-- ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:56:32 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A simple way to make the straight axle LG Nice work on the trig. functions and explanation. Those trig. calculations can also be useful for figuring wing strut length, and length changes needed for various dihedral. It can also be used to figure out what dihedral angles equate to tip height changes .- I have done this, but don't have the figures in front of me. (for the standard length wing)- I was impressed with how a small change i n degree would elevate the tip of the wing quite a bit. There are many ways to get the job done. I did my wood landing gear with th e fuselage right side up and no jigging.- All of which is documented on H INT Video #8 Wood Landing Gear!- (shameless plug,..) Michael Perez =0APietenpol HINT Videos =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:59:45 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A-65 Valve Covers Are the cast covers the only ones with the added lip? If they are and they do weigh more, then I may not worry about them. I have two sets of the "standard" covers. I bought the gasket/seal kit from Fresno and I believe the cover gaskets are orange...definitely not cork. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:38:46 AM PST US From: "skipgadd@earthlink.net" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tail wires and Turnbuckle Group, I need to correct a statement I made last night. 1/16" cable is rated at 480lbs not 940lbs. Still believe it is way stronger than the wood it supports. Thanks for the heads up Greg. Ski ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:03:59 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: I've bought a Piet! From: "K5YAC" Checked my mail... it doesn't seem that David sent any packaging photos, but here are a couple from when they loaded it onto the trailer. According to David there was minimal damage... he said that the tailwheel/post area would need some attention, otherwise it is intact. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379608#379608 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/n7035n_2_119.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/n7035n_1_173.jpg ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:31:31 PM PST US From: "C N Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A simple way to make the straight axle LG Hey! That ain't algebra -- it's trigonometry. ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 10:10 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: A simple way to make the straight axle LG > > Just wanted to pass along how I tackled the straight axle LG - It worked > relly well for me. Seeing some photos of upside down fuselages and a lot > of jigging going on really intimidated me. I figured there had to be a > way to figure all this out with some math. As it turned out, my guess was > correct. > > Check out this article at MATH IS FUN > http://www.mathsisfun.com/algebra/trig-finding-angle-right-triangle.html > I MUST have been sick the day they taught this in algebra class. > > Theory: > > Any leg angle (front to back or left to right)are just like a ladder > against a wall. If I have two of the three numbers such as the height of > the ladder and the distance the base is from the wall, I can determine the > ladders angle. > > The article sample uses a ladder 5 feet tall and 2.5 feet from the wall at > the ladders base ( Opposite = 2.5 and Hypotenuse = 5). I plugged the LG > numbers into Microsoft Excel using the formula =Degrees (ASIN(Opposite / > Hypotenuse)) or more literally =Degrees (ASIN(2.5 / 5)). The correct > answer is 30 (degrees) for the example in the article. A simple scientific > calculator works just as well using Sin-1 (2.5 / 5) = 30 (degrees) > > Reality: > > I took the numbers from the plans and plugged them into excel to get my 3 > primary angles (one for front legs, one for rear legs and a third for the > compound angle which was the same for every cut). As I explain below > there is artistically a fourth angle. > > First attempt: With my angles in hand I went to the miter saw and set my > angles and began to turn a long piece of wood into many short ones - until > I got compound cutting operations under control lost $3.59 and a half > hour of my life gained knowledge. Hints you do not need to lift flip > or rotate the board to make the seconds cut (per strut) just slide it > left or right! All cuts have the compound angle the same and it is never > changed. > > Second Attempt: My seconds attempt was near perfect! The rear struts were > dead on. I just wanted to make a slight adjustment for the forward strut > top cut to compensate for the slight curvature of the fuse bottom (I added > 7 degrees to the left) and it was spot on! > > All in all I had ONE HOUR in the cutting and assembling of the mock up > LG not including attempt #1. A small air nail gun worked great to > attach the legs to my simulated ash blocks. I used a carpenter square > (like you might use a plumb bob) and tape measure to check the finished > article to the dimensions on the plans and they were dead on! > > If you are wondering how to determine the length of the struts > (hypotenuse), and the distance from the wall (Opposite) for the landing > gear - these numbers are stated and or determined from the numbers on the > LG plans. > > Hints: Opposite = ((LG width fuse width) / 2). Do not include the width > of the ash blocks. If you choose to use the TAN-1/ATAN() or COS-1/ACOS() > functions, remember to subtract the height of the ash blocks from the > Adjacent (this number is on the plans). > > Tools: Straight axle LG plans ($20), compound miter saw (borrowed $0), > carpenters square, tape measure, pencil, air nail gun + compressor, > Microsoft Excel or a scientific calculator, half a brain > > Materials for prototype: One 8 long 2 X pine board (or two if > you are a novice at compound miter cutting!) and some nails /staples for > the nail gun ($3.49). > > Feel free to email off list me with questions. I might even do a video if > enough ask for me to do so! > > Now I just have to figure out how to bend metal fittings. > > Bob Early Builder Dewenter > rdewenter (a) woh.rr.com > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:05:45 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A-65 Valve Covers From: "taildrags" I don't recall the tiny details between the different rocker covers and my airplane isn't handy at the moment (wish it were!)- but here's a photo of mine. They have the lip that captures the gasket and they are stamped. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford/Ashland, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379623#379623 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/a75001_668.jpg ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 02:04:46 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A-65 Valve Covers From: "AircamperN11MS" Mine are the cast ones and they do not have any flanges. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379628#379628 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 02:53:12 PM PST US From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Kevin Purtee Update 7/29/2012 > He will travel via Amtrak and be home within 24 hours. Not a bad way to travel per se. Especially if he gets a room with a bed and view. Good place to read and watch the world go by. However, You think he is complaining now! Wait until he has dealt with the AMTRAK schedule. They have a stellar 14% on time rating. It took my daughter 20 hours to get from OKC to San Antonio (<8hour drive), wait, that is when we drove up to Austin and picked her up at 3AM. It would still be 3 hours before she got to San Antonio (< 1.5 hour drive). Having said all that, He doesn't have a schedule to meet and it is a relaxing way to travel and he can hobble to the potty when he wants. Take snack food and flying books and mags. And don't get upset when you get behind schedule. Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:11:31 PM PST US From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Kevin Purtee Update 7/29/2012 Shelly, don't forget to ask for the military rate on AMTRAK. Or maybe AARP! Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 03:20:00 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Kevin Purtee Update 7/29/2012 From: "dgaldrich" Instead of watching TGWP, you could get "Silver Streak". Even has a flying sequence... AND you can play Words With Friends the entire ride without getting yelled at... Dave do NOT archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379637#379637 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 06:01:12 PM PST US From: Gene Rambo Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: A simple way to make the straight axle LG LOL=2C if you have not bent metal yet=2C the legs you made are not going to work. Trust me. Gene > Date: Mon=2C 30 Jul 2012 10:10:53 -0400 > From: rdewenter@woh.rr.com > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: A simple way to make the straight axle LG > > > Just wanted to pass along how I tackled the straight axle LG - It worked relly well for me. Seeing some photos of upside down fuselages and a lot o f jigging going on really intimidated me. I figured there had to be a way to figure all this out with some math. As it turned out=2C my guess was co rrect. > > Check out this article at MATH IS FUN http://www.mathsisfun.com/algebra/t rig-finding-angle-right-triangle.html I MUST have been sick the day they t aught this in algebra class. > > Theory: > > Any leg angle (front to back or left to right)are just like a ladder agai nst a wall. If I have two of the three numbers such as the height of the l adder and the distance the base is from the wall=2C I can determine the lad ders angle. > > The article sample uses a ladder 5 feet tall and 2.5 feet from the wall a t the ladders base ( Opposite = 2.5 and Hypotenuse = 5). I plugged the LG numbers into Microsoft Excel using the formula =Degrees (ASIN(Opposit e / Hypotenuse)) or more literally =Degrees (ASIN(2.5 / 5)). The correct answer is 30 (degrees) for the example in the article. A simple scientific calculator works just as well using Sin-1 (2.5 / 5) = 30 (degrees) > > Reality: > > I took the numbers from the plans and plugged them into excel to get my 3 primary angles (one for front legs=2C one for rear legs and a third for th e =93compound=94 angle which was the same for every cut). As I explain bel ow there is =93artistically=94 a fourth angle. > > First attempt: With my angles in hand I went to the miter saw and set my angles and began to turn a long piece of wood into many short ones - until I got compound cutting operations under control ' lost $3.59 and a half h our of my life ' gained knowledge. Hints ' you do not need to lift fli p or rotate the board to make the seconds cut (per strut)' just slide it left or right! All cuts have the compound angle the same and it is never c hanged. > > Second Attempt: My seconds attempt was near perfect! The rear struts wer e dead on. I just wanted to make a slight adjustment for the forward strut top cut to compensate for the slight curvature of the fuse bottom (I added 7 degrees =93to the left=94) and it was spot on! > > All in all I had ONE HOUR in the cutting and assembling of the mock up LG ' not including attempt #1. A small air nail gun worked great to attach the legs to my simulated ash blocks. I used a carpenter square (like you might use a plumb bob) and tape measure to check the finished article to th e dimensions on the plans and they were dead on! > > If you are wondering how to determine the length of the struts (hypotenus e)=2C and the distance from the =93wall=94 (Opposite) for the landing gear - these numbers are stated and or determined from the numbers on the LG pla ns. > > Hints: Opposite = ((LG width ' fuse width) / 2). Do not include the width of the ash blocks. If you choose to use the TAN-1/ATAN() or COS-1/AC OS() functions=2C remember to subtract the height of the ash blocks from th e =93Adjacent=94 (this number is on the plans). > > Tools: Straight axle LG plans ($20)=2C compound miter saw (borrowed $0) =2C carpenters square=2C tape measure=2C pencil=2C air nail gun + compresso r=2C Microsoft Excel or a scientific calculator=2C half a brain > > Materials for prototype: One 8=92 long 2 =BD=94 X =BE=94 pine board (o r two if you are a novice at compound miter cutting!) and some nails /stapl es for the nail gun ($3.49). > > Feel free to email off list me with questions. I might even do a video i f enough ask for me to do so! > > Now I just have to figure out how to bend metal fittings=85. > > Bob =93Early Builder=94 Dewenter > rdewenter (a) woh.rr.com > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 06:02:08 PM PST US From: Gene Rambo Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 1/16th tail brace wires not and survived it . . . Genedo not archive From: douweblumberg@earthlink.net Subject: Pietenpol-List: 1/16th tail brace wires I=92ve heard this discussion before. Lots of guys have used 3/32nd on the tail wires because they are abused in the turbulent air=2C and are relatively importan t=85 The idea being the thicker cable will withstand vibration better over time. Some guys have used 1/16th because the rated strength grossly exceeds the strength of the wooden structure they support =85 Some guys have used the original hard wire per the plans=85 My question is this. Has anyone EVER experienced a busted=2C or busting 1/16th cable on their tail assembly? Douwe ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 06:40:12 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Kevin Purtee update 7/30/2012 From: "IT Girl" You guys are never going to believe this.... But we are heading home. The Doctors kicked him out, said the hospital is for the sick and broken, and he needed to get on down the road. I'll spare you the details, but with alot of logistical wrangling, and help from local friends we were able to get moved to a hotel for the night, and we will by flying home tomorrow. (AM Trak was a bust, couldnt get a seat until 10 August) Thank you for your all of your prayers and support, i truly believe that all of the positive thoughts and prayers made the difference. -------- Shelley Tumino IT Girl wife of "Axel" NX899KP DO NOT ARCHIVE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379653#379653 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 06:59:51 PM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Kevin Purtee update 7/30/2012 Fantastic Shelley and Kevin, Let us all know when you get home and keep us up to date on Kevin's progress. Cheers, Jim B. ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 08:11:08 PM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: not fun, but educational... During some web perusing I stumbled across www.aircrashed.com and did a search for Pietenpol and found reports on a bunch of "incidents" that were not fun to read, but were very educational. Douwe Do not archive ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 09:07:06 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Kevin Purtee update 7/30/2012 From: "taildrags" God wasn't ready for Kevin yet and now the hospital turns him away too. I guess we get to keep him around for awhile ;o) This is good news indeed. I am convinced that rapid healing has a good deal to do with one's state of mind, determination to move on, and refusal to throw pity parties. Somebody remind me of that when I'm hurting and just want some sympathy and stroking ;o) Safe journey back home... -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford/Ashland, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379660#379660 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 09:24:14 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 1/16th tail brace wires From: "taildrags" Busted a 1/16" tail brace wire and survived it. Didn't even know it was busted till back on the ground. Now flying with stainless 1/16" wires back there because I'm convinced it was corrosion and the resultant fretting that caused it to let go. Those wires, and all the tail surfaces, really do vibrate a lot in flight. There were NO frayed wires in any of the cables, as demonstrated by the bare-finger inspection time and again, with no loss of blood. Before the naysayers jump in, I'll acknowledge that stainless is not as good as plain steel in strength, but it is better in corrosion resistance and I still have the old tail brace wires if anyone doubts that corrosion doesn't take its toll on things on the back end of the airplane and wants to see them. It's my fault... I never bother to wash the airplane so it does build up debris back there from time to time, but then again it gets some oil mist too. Okay, so the oil mist attracts fine dust, which is an abrasive and tends to aggravate the fretting. My bad, but I'd rather fly the airplane than wash and polish it. If you don't want to worry about the tail brace wires, use 3/32" cable or the old-timey smooth wire with ferrules. I'll bet if you used 3/32" with no turnbuckles (twist the wire to add tension) you'd be as light as if you used 1/16" with turnbuckles, or lighter. And you'd save money on turnbuckles. There doesn't need to be a lot of tension on the wires, it just needs to form a fairly well braced and evenly balanced assembly. Let's see: at last count I had used up 4-1/2 of my allotted 9 lives (I only count the broken tail brace wire as loss of 1/2 life). The object of the game is to end up with at least one life in reserve at the end, or 45 minutes of fuel. Or, wait... isn't the object to use up that last remaining life on a beautiful springtime flight, low and slow, with the airplane trimmed up for hands-off flight, perfect temperature, pull the "SMOKE" knob, and then yell "YEEEEEAAAAHHHOOOOO!!!" as your ticker decides to head for the barn??? There are worse ways to go. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford/Ashland, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379661#379661 ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 10:45:14 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Air Compressor From: "dwilson" Anyone care to recommend an air compressor for the shop? My 30 year old Craftsman professional gave up the ghost. Can not locate a new motor with a pivot style mount. Parts are no longer available from Sears. Yes, I want continuous duty for drill, sander, impact tools, etc. Any suggestions? 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