---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 07/31/12: 30 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:39 AM - Re: fuel measuring stick (Ben Charvet) 2. 05:52 AM - tail wires (Douwe Blumberg) 3. 06:24 AM - Doc & Dee are The Best! (Gary Boothe) 4. 07:24 AM - Re: Re: A-65 Valve Covers (Michael Perez) 5. 07:30 AM - Re: Re: 1/16th tail brace wires (Michael Perez) 6. 07:39 AM - Re: A-65 Valve Covers (AircamperN11MS) 7. 07:39 AM - Re: Air Compressor (Pietn38b@aol.com) 8. 07:59 AM - Re: A-65 Valve Covers (AircamperN11MS) 9. 08:02 AM - Re: Re: A-65 Valve Covers (Michael Perez) 10. 12:41 PM - Futher Pieters (pineymb) 11. 01:51 PM - Re: Air Compressor (Jerry Dotson) 12. 01:56 PM - Re: Futher Pieters (Jerry Dotson) 13. 02:11 PM - rides abounded at Brodhead (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]) 14. 02:37 PM - Re: 1/16th tail brace wires (taildrags) 15. 02:45 PM - Re: Re: 1/16th tail brace wires (Michael Perez) 16. 03:15 PM - The Last Original (JOSEPH SWITHIN) 17. 03:57 PM - Re: The Last Original (Matthew) 18. 04:22 PM - Re: The Last Original (shad bell) 19. 04:32 PM - Re: Futher Pieters (helspersew@aol.com) 20. 05:44 PM - Re: The Last Original (Daniel Engelkenjohn) 21. 05:49 PM - Front seat controls (John Francis) 22. 07:01 PM - Re: The Last Original (shad bell) 23. 08:18 PM - Re: The Last Original (dwilson) 24. 08:47 PM - The Last Original (markmckellar@reagan.com) 25. 08:47 PM - Re: Front seat controls (Bill Church) 26. 08:55 PM - Re: The Last Original (Ryan Mueller) 27. 09:02 PM - Re: Futher Pieters (aerocarjake) 28. 10:05 PM - Re: Front seat controls (Mark Roberts) 29. 10:08 PM - Re: Front seat controls (taildrags) 30. 10:34 PM - Re: Front seat controls (Billy McCaskill) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:39:39 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: fuel measuring stick From: Ben Charvet I just use a piece if wood. With just a quick dip it is easy to read an drie s quickly Sent from my iPhone On Jul 29, 2012, at 7:06 PM, "Douwe Blumberg" w rote: > I want to make up a =9Cfuel measuring stick=9D to physically c onfirm fuel levels. I=99d like it to be some material which makes it e asy to tell where the fuel level is, and which I can permanently mark. Wood is great, but it soaks up the fuel and stinks up any compartment it is stor ed in. I was wondering if anyone had any clever ideas for a material which i s fuel resistant, can be marked, will show the fuel level yet won=99t s oak up the fuel and smell. > > ?? > > Douwe > > Do not archive > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:52:31 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: tail wires DANG.! After Oscar's post I'm bugged. Might have to add that to my ever-lengthening "finish list" and spend a few hours replacing those cables with 3/32. Douwe Do not archive. Ps. Thanks for the fuel stick ideas. Got some black acetal rod coming which I'll scuff to dull it and grind some marking rings on. Liked the tube idea as well. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:24:06 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Doc & Dee are The Best! Doc & Dee - Obviously your offer was greatly appreciated by a guy who's a long way from home! .and, no doubt, his Pietenpol endeavors are put in a kindly light to his wife and family to see him well-treated by people he has not met. Thanks for all you do! Gary Boothe NX308MB Do not archive From: Mike Weaver [mailto:flyinghighpiet@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 10:34 PM Cc: Gary Boothe; Dawn Weaver Subject: Re: Pietenpol stuff Sir, WOW, I am speechless. I opened my email this morning and there was the email you sent with your newsletter attached. It is quite a treat for me to have to read and stay connected to Pietenpol folks. I miss being in the garage working on my Piet, but I think about it often. My friend Gary Boothe has taken the initiative to inform others of my deployment to Afganistan. I am amazed with the concern and outreach from you and others. Thank you for your generousity. I wanted to subscribe to your newsletter. I actually wrote a check and filled out the order form some months ago, well it got buried below some paperwork and forgotten. Then while doing some final preparations for this deployment, I came across that paperwork. I just did not have time to complete the matter, so it sits at home. I will have my wife, Dawn, send it so that I may get my subcription started. Thank you so much, Mike From: BPAN Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 12:20 AM Subject: Pietenpol stuff To Mike Weaver - We just heard that you're off doing good things for all of us and thought you might like some back-home low and slow Pietenpol stuff to read. Here's the last issue of the Brodhead Pietenpol Newsletter. If it helps to pass some of your leisure time (just kidding) let us know and we'll get some of the past issues to you too. bpan.tds.net - web is pietenpols.org Thanks for what you're doing. Doc & Dee Mosher Editors, Brodhead Pietenpol Association ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:24:24 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: A-65 Valve Covers Thanks Oscar. Those covers you have are exactly what I am looking for. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:30:33 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: 1/16th tail brace wires How much time do you have on your "new" 1/16 SS wires now Oscar?- Michael Perez =0APietenpol HINT Videos =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:39:50 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A-65 Valve Covers From: "AircamperN11MS" Mike, This guy has a few to choose from. He has a big pile of them. NEW CONTINENTAL VALVE COVERS FOR SALE Rare find, approx 500 new, pickled A-65 to 0-300 Continental valve covers.Will separate, must purchase minimum of 4 covers(one set $30.00).Cheap enough, you can use them for ash trays, Yuppy pilots who have their aircraft N-number on their underware band, tye and coffee cup can use them for a manly mans cereal bowl.770 883 0815-anytime Contact Kurt D. Grasso - AEROSALES, Owner - located Woodstock, GA USA Telephone: 770-883-0815 . Posted July 5, 2012 Show all Ads posted by this Advertiser Recommend This Ad to a Friend Email Advertiser Save to Watchlist Report This Ad View Larger Pictures Finance New Lower Rates! Good luck, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379696#379696 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:39:58 AM PST US From: Pietn38b@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Air Compressor Dan I took my 5hp pivot mount sears motor to an electric motor repair shop. He was ablr to repair it for a lot less than new if I could have found one. The repair tech said it wasn't any different inside than most other motors. Good luck Jim In a message dated 7/31/2012 12:45:34 A.M. Central Daylight Time, marwilson@charter.net writes: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "dwilson" Anyone care to recommend an air compressor for the shop? My 30 year old Craftsman professional gave up the ghost. Can not locate a new motor with a pivot style mount. Parts are no longer available from Sears. Yes, I want continuous duty for drill, sander, impact tools, etc. Any suggestions? Dan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379663#379663 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:59:16 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A-65 Valve Covers From: "AircamperN11MS" Here is a pic of the valve cover pile. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379698#379698 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/scaled_13e6_106x80_540166_p4090184_158.jpg ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:02:53 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: A-65 Valve Covers Thanks for the help. I contacted him a while ago and he said he didn't think he had any with the flange. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:41:35 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Futher Pieters From: "pineymb" Hopefully one day I can pass on my Piet to one of my grandkids who may also experience the joy of owning one of these timeless machines. -------- Adrian M Winnipeg, MB Canada Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379720#379720 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/kids_in_the_piet_008_690.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/kids_in_the_piet_017_243.jpg ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:51:18 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Air Compressor From: "Jerry Dotson" DeVilbiss,Curtis, Champion, Ingersol-Rand, Quincy are all good compressors. Pricey though. Will last a lifetime if cared for. I have an old Curtis cast iron thing I bought 30 years ago. Still works fine I guess. It has been on loan for years now. do not archive -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 First flight June 16,2012 Started building July, 2009 21" wheels Lycoming O-235 C2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379727#379727 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:56:06 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Futher Pieters From: "Jerry Dotson" That is just about too cute. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 First flight June 16,2012 Started building July, 2009 21" wheels Lycoming O-235 C2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379729#379729 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:11:32 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: rides abounded at Brodhead ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:37:26 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 1/16th tail brace wires From: "taildrags" Michael: I'm not the only one who has flown Scout since the tail brace wire change, but my logbook shows about 74 hours and 205 landings in the ~5 years since the wires were changed (summer 2007). -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford/Ashland, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379731#379731 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:45:49 PM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: 1/16th tail brace wires Thanks Oscar. We had talked about this subject before, maybe off list. I am using 1/16" stainless wires for the tail and was just curious. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:15:31 PM PST US From: JOSEPH SWITHIN Subject: Pietenpol-List: The Last Original Do any drawings or information exist for the cowling that is on the Last Original? Thanks Joe Swithin Morris, IL Collecting Parts and Pieces Stage ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 03:57:44 PM PST US From: Matthew Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The Last Original ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 04:22:10 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The Last Original Joe,- My father still has a brand new fiberglass cowling that was molded from the last original cowling.- He has broght it to brodhead to sell-a couple times but had no takers.- Let me know if you are interested.- I think he paid $200 for it so just make him an offer he would probably take 150 or so.- It is designed for use with the corvair with the blower fan, just like the last original. - Shad --- On Tue, 7/31/12, JOSEPH SWITHIN wrote: From: JOSEPH SWITHIN Subject: Pietenpol-List: The Last Original Do any drawings or information exist for the cowling that is on the Last Or iginal? Thanks Joe Swithin Morris, IL Collecting Parts and Pieces Stage ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 04:32:58 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Futher Pieters From: helspersew@aol.com A truly inspirational photo. Thanks for sharing. Very precious. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN do not archive -----Original Message----- From: pineymb Sent: Tue, Jul 31, 2012 2:41 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Futher Pieters Hopefully one day I can pass on my Piet to one of my grandkids who may also experience the joy of owning one of these timeless machines. -------- Adrian M Winnipeg, MB Canada Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379720#379720 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/kids_in_the_piet_008_690.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/kids_in_the_piet_017_243.jpg ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 05:44:00 PM PST US From: "Daniel Engelkenjohn" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The Last Original Is this the long cowling from the prop hub to the firewall, or the short one? From: shad bell Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 6:21 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The Last Original Joe, My father still has a brand new fiberglass cowling that was molded from the last original cowling. He has broght it to brodhead to sell a couple times but had no takers. Let me know if you are interested. I think he paid $200 for it so just make him an offer he would probably take 150 or so. It is designed for use with the corvair with the blower fan, just like the last original. Shad --- On Tue, 7/31/12, JOSEPH SWITHIN wrote: From: JOSEPH SWITHIN Subject: Pietenpol-List: The Last Original To: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com" Date: Tuesday, July 31, 2012, 6:15 PM Do any drawings or information exist for the cowling that is on the Last Original? Thanks Joe Swithin Morris, IL Collecting Parts and Pieces Stage " rel=nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 05:49:52 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Front seat controls From: "John Francis" I've got to believe this question has come up before but I can't find it. What are the pros and cons of having flying controls in the front seat? I was reading some of the accident reports that Douwe was referring to and found a couple caused by jammed front seat controls by passengers and loose items. -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379751#379751 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 07:01:02 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The Last Original I am not sure, I will give you his email address.- I believe it is the lo ng one, like the Brown Aero-aircamper (Tom Brown).- Gary Bell: gary_bel l@frontier.com just email him and ask any questions directly it will be eas ier that way.- It might take him a day or two to respond, as I think he i s on the road. - Shad --- On Tue, 7/31/12, Daniel Engelkenjohn wrote: From: Daniel Engelkenjohn Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The Last Original Is this the long cowling from the prop hub to the firewall, or the short on e? - From: shad bell Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 6:21 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The Last Original - Joe,- My father still has a brand new fiberglass cowling that was molded from the last original cowling.- He has broght it to brodhead to sell a c ouple times but had no takers.- Let me know if you are interested.- I t hink he paid $200 for it so just make him an offer he would probably take 1 50 or so.- It is designed for use with the corvair with the blower fan, j ust like the last original. - Shad --- On Tue, 7/31/12, JOSEPH SWITHIN wrote: From: JOSEPH SWITHIN Subject: Pietenpol-List: The Last Original Do any drawings or information exist for the cowling that is on the Last Or iginal? Thanks - Joe Swithin Morris, IL Collecting Parts and Pieces Stage " rel=nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenp ol-List et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matro nics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 08:18:51 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: The Last Original From: "dwilson" I also have an original fiberglass cowling for the long fuselage. Cowling was pulled from the original mold. I know that there are a couple of builders that would like to use this cowling to build a new mold in order to make new cowlings. The original mold was made from concrete. Is there really any interest out there for this cowling? Dan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379761#379761 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 08:47:19 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: The Last Original From: markmckellar@reagan.com Is The Last Original currently flying with the Corvair conversion per BHP ? Mark McKellar ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 08:47:19 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Front seat controls From: "Bill Church" One advantage of having controls in the front seat is that passengers can control the plane from there. One disadvantage of having controls in the front seat is that passengers can control the plane from there. BC do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379766#379766 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 08:55:02 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The Last Original From: Ryan Mueller The engine has been updated internally with parts recommended by William Wynne's conversion method, but externally looks the same and still utilizes the blower fan. Ryan Sent from my Nexus 7 On Jul 31, 2012 10:48 PM, wrote: > > Is The Last Original currently flying with the Corvair conversion per BHP ? > > Mark McKellar > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 09:02:25 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Futher Pieters From: "aerocarjake" Two cute for sure.... The next gen and happiest passengers.... -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379769#379769 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 10:05:04 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Front seat controls From: "Mark Roberts" I think I have seen pictures on westcoastpiet.com of the controls in the front with a removable stick. That seems safer. -------- do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379770#379770 ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 10:08:22 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Front seat controls From: "taildrags" I have taken several pilots for rides in Scout and all of them appreciated the opportunity to handle the controls. I have checked out one or two other pilots in the airplane and other than not having carb heat or brakes duplicated up front, the presence of dual controls was of immeasurable value to those pilots in understanding the airplane and in learning to fly it. In fact, my own checkout in Scout was from the front cockpit, with zero instruments, no brakes, no carb heat up there. My instructor talked me through each maneuver from the rear cockpit, operated carb heat and brakes when necessary, and I flew the maneuvers with stick, rudder, and throttle- and learned my airplane by touch, sound, and smell and my mind wasn't in the equation very much.. just heart and soul. We are almost inseparable now and I think part of the reason for that is because we met and learned each other that way. I'm sure I could talk an experienced tailwheel pilot through a ground checkout in a Piet, but it's far better to learn in a dual cockpit setup and way more fun. The Piet experience is something you want to share. I have flown numerous children and non-pilot passengers in Scout as well, and can tell you that you must, must, must be careful and watchful about shoes, clothes, seatbelts, jackets, and other things that happen in the cockpit. The pilot's feet are alongside the passenger's seat, the rudder pedals and brakes are right there too, so are the passenger's seatbelts and who knows what else. In cooler weather it's even worse, what with jackets and boots and gloves. Not having dual controls won't change that, but just saying that the space between pilot and passenger can get very crowded and very busy, especially during landing, and anything that obstructs your feet during landing won't be a good thing. In cooler weather I wear C-width Justin Roper wellington boots because they are narrow and smooth and they seem to slide past any obstruction down in the leg-holes, but in the summertime and while solo I can wear running shoes if they aren't too bulky or have hanging laces. I'm not kidding... it's a tight area down there and when you're poking your toes at a brake pedal in a crosswind, the last thing you want is for your big bulky shoe to hang up on a seatbelt or fuselage framing member or anything else. I have had the edge of my shoe sole hang up against the front seat support when I thought I was pressing the brake, and boy did I wonder what had happened to my brakes! Good thing I'm such a good tailwheel pilot that I saved the landing ;o) The Piet is a great airplane for hopping rides and people have said that removing the front cockpit controls makes them feel better when taking non-pilots for a ride, but I don't think it makes that much more room in the cockpit and it sure doesn't give the passenger the same feeling. My vote is for dual controls. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford/Ashland, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379771#379771 ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 10:34:32 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Front seat controls From: "Billy McCaskill" Dan Helsper has a removable stick in his front cockpit, and did remove it on several occasions at Brodhead a couple of weeks ago depending on who was riding in the front seat. He left it in place for my ride, and let me take control for a few minutes. I can see the usefulness of having removable controls in the front, and it doesn't seem like it would be that much extra work to do so. do not archive -------- Billy McCaskill Baker, LA tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379772#379772 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.