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1. 03:35 AM - Re: Kevin Purtee and FBG Update 8/2/2012 (helspersew@aol.com)
2. 04:37 AM - Re: performance with C-85 (Jack Phillips)
3. 04:40 AM - Re: performance with C-85 (airlion)
4. 04:53 AM - Re: performance with C-85 (heavyliftpilot)
5. 06:13 AM - Re: Kevin Purtee and FBG Update 8/2/2012 (IT Girl)
6. 06:17 AM - Re: Fat Bottom Girl (FBG) rebuild....? (IT Girl)
7. 06:48 AM - Re: Re: Fat Bottom Girl (FBG) rebuild....? (dog67@aol.com)
8. 07:56 AM - Progress Update (Michael Perez)
9. 08:15 AM - Fuel tank shut off valve (chase143(at)aol.com)
10. 09:05 AM - Re: Progress Update (V Groah)
11. 09:38 AM - Re: Kevin Purtee and FBG Update 8/2/2012 (Mark Roberts)
12. 09:52 AM - Re: Fuel tank shut off valve (Gene Rambo)
13. 11:38 AM - Re: Fuel tank shut off valve (Bill Church)
14. 11:46 AM - Re: Kevin Purtee and FBG Update 8/2/2012 (Billy McCaskill)
15. 11:56 AM - Re: Re: Fuel tank shut off valve (Gene Rambo)
16. 11:59 AM - Lessons Learned (kevinpurtee)
17. 12:22 PM - Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!! (Douwe Blumberg)
18. 12:29 PM - Re: Lessons Learned (Jack Phillips)
19. 12:30 PM - Re: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!! (899PM)
20. 12:31 PM - Re: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!! (Jack Phillips)
21. 12:39 PM - Re: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!! (TOM STINEMETZE)
22. 12:44 PM - Re: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!! (Dan Yocum)
23. 12:46 PM - Re: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!! (AircamperN11MS)
24. 12:51 PM - Re: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!! (Gerry Holland)
25. 12:53 PM - Re: Lessons Learned (AircamperN11MS)
26. 12:56 PM - Re: Lessons Learned (tools)
27. 01:00 PM - Re: Lessons Learned (dgaldrich)
28. 01:03 PM - Re: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!! (Wayne Bressler)
29. 01:03 PM - Re: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!! (K5YAC)
30. 01:22 PM - Re: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!! (Allan Macklem)
31. 01:24 PM - Re: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!! (echobravo4)
32. 02:10 PM - Re: Lessons Learned (biplan53)
33. 02:18 PM - Re: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!! (Bill Church)
34. 02:28 PM - Re: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!! (John Francis)
35. 02:36 PM - Re: Lessons learned (helspersew@aol.com)
36. 02:36 PM - Re: Lessons Learned (K5YAC)
37. 02:49 PM - Re: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!! (helspersew@aol.com)
38. 02:50 PM - Re: Re: Lessons learned (Gary Boothe)
39. 03:11 PM - Re: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!! (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
40. 03:14 PM - Re: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!! (steve@wotelectronics.com)
41. 03:30 PM - Re: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!! (Jerry Dotson)
42. 04:04 PM - made first saw dust pile (nightmare)
43. 04:09 PM - Re: made first saw dust pile (Gary Boothe)
44. 04:12 PM - Re: made first saw dust pile (nightmare)
45. 04:16 PM - Re: Kevin Purtee and FBG Update 8/2/2012 (Jim Boyer)
46. 04:31 PM - Re: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!! (Jim Boyer)
47. 04:33 PM - Re: Re: made first saw dust pile (Gary Boothe)
48. 04:34 PM - Re: Lessons Learned (Jim Boyer)
49. 04:39 PM - Re: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!! (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB)
50. 04:59 PM - Re: made first saw dust pile (nightmare)
51. 05:03 PM - Re: Re: made first saw dust pile (Gary Boothe)
52. 05:44 PM - Re: made first saw dust pile (Jerry Dotson)
53. 05:51 PM - Re: made first saw dust pile (K5YAC)
54. 06:25 PM - Re: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!! (nightmare)
55. 06:35 PM - Re: made first saw dust pile (nightmare)
56. 06:59 PM - Re: Lessons Learned (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
57. 07:22 PM - Re: Re: made first saw dust pile (helspersew@aol.com)
58. 07:43 PM - Re: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!! (Don Emch)
59. 08:15 PM - The final hours of Operation Axel (Ryan Mueller)
60. 08:59 PM - Re: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!! (Billy McCaskill)
61. 09:12 PM - Re: Fuel tank shut off valve (Billy McCaskill)
62. 10:35 PM - Re: made first saw dust pile (Mark Roberts)
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Subject: | Re: Kevin Purtee and FBG Update 8/2/2012 |
Continued great news Shelley. Keep it coming!
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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Subject: | performance with C-85 |
James, it largely depends on the weight. I've only flown one GN-1 and that
was 35 years ago. What airfoil do you have?
I kept my Pietenpol for years at a 2000' strip in North Carolina with tall
trees at the end. I could get out fine by myself. I also never took a
passenger with me, and would not consider doing so. It simply wouldn't
climb fast enough to get over the trees.
You'll probably be OK to fly solo from there. Get some experience flying
passengers from long runways before trying it there. I would NOT use that
field for your first test flights. Find a field with long runways and good
approaches until you are comfortable with the airplane.
Good Luck!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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heavyliftpilot
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 9:39 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: performance with C-85
<heavyliftpilot@gmail.com>
Hi everyone....i am about to the point of covering my GN-1, but would like
some feedback on 'real world' number:...IE, T/O distance, climb rate, with
the C-85, single and with passenger. I have 1800' (if i t/o to the east,
and 1400 to the west) before i run into the 75' georgia pines....Thanks,
james
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Subject: | Re: performance with C-85 |
Hi James, where are you located? I am in Lagrange with my pietenpol along with
Bill Roberts with his GN 1. Gardiner Mason
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From: heavyliftpilot <heavyliftpilot@gmail.com>
Sent: Thu, August 2, 2012 9:40:38 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: performance with C-85
<heavyliftpilot@gmail.com>
Hi everyone....i am about to the point of covering my GN-1, but would like some
feedback on 'real world' number:...IE, T/O distance, climb rate, with the C-85,
single and with passenger. I have 1800' (if i t/o to the east, and 1400 to the
west) before i run into the 75' georgia pines....Thanks, james
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Subject: | Re: performance with C-85 |
Hi Gardiner, I'm located about 30 miles NW of savannah, ga...
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Subject: | Re: Kevin Purtee and FBG Update 8/2/2012 |
Billy McCaskill wrote:
> Great news, Shelley. I'm still keeping you guys in my prayers. Will there be
any pics of FBG posted after she finally arrives back home?
>
>
> do not archive
Kevin has asked that we not post pictures of the wreckage. We really don't anyone
to see the photos and be discouraged from their project. What i do want you
to know, and know that i believe it in my heart, is that the design of the
Air Camper saved his life. Those who witnessed the accident can and will tell
you that the airplane absorbed the impact of the crash, reducing significantly
the injuries Kevin received.
--------
Shelley Tumino
IT Girl
wife of "Axel"
NX899KP
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Subject: | Re: Fat Bottom Girl (FBG) rebuild....? |
airlion(at)bellsouth.net wrote:
> Isany of the plane parts salvageable? Engine? I have a good source
> for verticle grain douglas fir near Atlanta,
>
>
> ---
We are not sure yet what will be salvageable, and we are having the engine inspected
by Mark P. and WW.
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Shelley Tumino
IT Girl
wife of "Axel"
NX899KP
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Subject: | Re: Fat Bottom Girl (FBG) rebuild....? |
Shelley
- If the engienis not salavagable, I have about 80 percent of a complete co
rvair, head work done, etc, that I'd be up for donating to the cause.
Glad to hear that y'alla re back home and that Kevin is on the mend.
Cheers
Jon Apfelbaum
-----Original Message-----
From: IT Girl <shlizbth@gmail.com>
Sent: Fri, Aug 3, 2012 7:17 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fat Bottom Girl (FBG) rebuild....?
irlion(at)bellsouth.net wrote:
Is=C3=AF=C2=C2=BDany of the plane parts salvageable? Engine? I have a g
ood source
for verticle grain douglas fir near Atlanta,
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We are not sure yet what will be salvageable, and we are having the engine
nspected by Mark P. and WW.
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helley Tumino
T Girl
ife of "Axel"
X899KP
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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I thought I would take a moment to share my latest work on my plane.
It has been a good couple weeks. I made my cable hole locating templates fo
r the fuselage and- started covering. Using said templates, I marked the
cable exit holes and coiled up the cables outside the covering.- While up
-side-down, I painted the bottom. The fuselage is now right-side-up and on
its landing gear. Just about everything done- on the plane now and to com
e, I call "flight hardware", meaning these items are flight ready and will
not be coming back off.- No more fitting with inappropriate nuts/bolts ju
st to take it all back apart!-
I'll finish paint/insignias and than back to engine work and installation.
Michael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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Subject: | Fuel tank shut off valve |
Hello all,
Would appreciate any thoughts or considerations for what type of shutoff valve
to attach to the bottom of an aluminum fuel tank. I understand Brass/bronze to
aluminum is a no-no, but I dont see many aluminum valves and I think they would
not be as strong. Or is it better to weld on a fixed nozzle and put a shut
off valve somewhere in-line? Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
Steve
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Steve
www.mypiet.com
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Looking good Mike=2C I don't know how you keep such a neat shop and get all
that work done. Good to hear you are making such good progress. You shou
ld be talking with the inspector soon. Vic 414MV
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From: speedbrake@sbcglobal.net
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Progress Update
I thought I would take a moment to share my latest work on my plane.
It has been a good couple weeks. I made my cable hole locating templates fo
r the fuselage and started covering. Using said templates=2C I marked the
cable exit holes and coiled up the cables outside the covering. While up-s
ide-down=2C I painted the bottom. The fuselage is now right-side-up and on
its landing gear. Just about everything done on the plane now and to come
=2C I call "flight hardware"=2C meaning these items are flight ready and wi
ll not be coming back off. No more fitting with inappropriate nuts/bolts j
ust to take it all back apart!
I'll finish paint/insignias and than back to engine work and installation.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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Subject: | Re: Kevin Purtee and FBG Update 8/2/2012 |
Good call.
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Subject: | Fuel tank shut off valve |
I don't think brass and aluminum is a no-no=2C never heard that one. There
are plenty of brass valves out there. I am using an original Model A valv
e=2C perfect for the center section tank=2C probably just as good for a fus
elage tank too because it makes an immediate 90 degree turn so does not sti
ck straight down. Genedo not archive
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuel tank shut off valve
> From: chase143@aol.com
> Date: Fri=2C 3 Aug 2012 08:14:48 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
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> Hello all=2C
> Would appreciate any thoughts or considerations for what type of shutoff
valve to attach to the bottom of an aluminum fuel tank. I understand Brass/
bronze to aluminum is a no-no=2C but I don=99t see many aluminum valv
es and I think they would not be as strong. Or is it better to weld on a fi
xed nozzle and put a shut off valve somewhere in-line? Any thoughts would b
e greatly appreciated.
> Steve
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> www.mypiet.com
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Subject: | Re: Fuel tank shut off valve |
Well, in general, brass and aluminum are not recommended to be used in contact
with each other, due to the likelihood of galvanic reaction. Under the right conditions
(in the presence of salt water, for instance), a galvanic cell will
be created, with the brass acting as the cathode, and the aluminum acting as the
anode. The result will be a transfer of electrons, producing electricity, and
also corrosion of the aluminum.
Bill C.
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Subject: | Re: Kevin Purtee and FBG Update 8/2/2012 |
I understand, Shelley.
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Billy McCaskill
Baker, LA
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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Subject: | Re: Fuel tank shut off valve |
Then there are a lot of brass bushings etc that are going to have to be replaced
in lycoming/continental engines. But I understand what you are saying. Don't
fly the Piet in salt water.
Gene
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On Aug 3, 2012, at 2:37 PM, "Bill Church" <billspiet@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
> Well, in general, brass and aluminum are not recommended to be used in contact
with each other, due to the likelihood of galvanic reaction. Under the right
conditions (in the presence of salt water, for instance), a galvanic cell will
be created, with the brass acting as the cathode, and the aluminum acting as
the anode. The result will be a transfer of electrons, producing electricity,
and also corrosion of the aluminum.
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Ladies and Gentlemen Ive promised to provide Lessons Learned from my 22 Jul 2012
engine failure. Ive had lots of time to think about the events, discuss them
with knowledgeable people, and discuss them with people who were actually
there. I have also discussed the accident extensively with the FAA investigator
and we agree on the information Im presenting here.
The engine lost power on takeoff. I attempted to turn back to the airport leading
to a classic stall-spin scenario. The engine lost power due to water contamination
in the fuel.
Ill start with the fuel contamination. Bottom Line Up Front: Build your fuel system
using the guidance from the Tony Bingelis books. My system is identical
to the schematic shown on page 159 of Tonys yellow book. Youll want to do a
little more research, though, and find out if hes put some applicable caveats
in there for you.
Heres what I believe happened in my situation. Water entered the fuel tank in
small amounts throughout the course of Brodhead. This occurred due to the aircraft
sitting outside in the rain and with my portable gas cans sitting outside
as well. The water amounts were small but added up. Enough water accumulated
in the bottom/rear of the tank and then, during flight, found its way to the
tank outlet and thus to the carburetor at the worst possible time. During fuel
checks I thoroughly drained the gascolator. When the aircraft is on the ground,
though, the bottom/rear of the fuel tank may have trapped some of the water.
Heres what Ill do different procedurally:
- I wont just drain the gascolator. Ill collect a proper fuel sample with a clear
container so I can determine how much water Im actually drawing off.
- If the tank is not equipped with its own sump (i.e. using just the gascolator
as the sump) I will raise the tail, rock the wings, etc., in order to more thoroughly
check for water that may be hiding in the tank.
- I will protect the gas tank and my portable gas cans from water contamination
by simply covering them.
Heres what Id do different design-wise:
- I will purposely build a sump into my tank, thereby guaranteeing the ability
to drain water from the lowest portion of the tank.
Now Ill address the engine failure on takeoff.
I had changed the propeller for the trip home and made a quick test flight. During
the flight, I noticed a small miss. I returned to Brodhead, landed, checked
the engine as best I could, checked for compression on all cylinders, drained
yet more fuel, and decided to try the flight again. The aircraft ran up perfectly
so I decided to take off. I made it about 1/8 mile south of the airport
boundary to about 200 AGL when the aircraft started to slowly lose power.
I immediately started a left turn back around to the airport. By the time the
turn was complete, and despite putting in what I thought was extensive forward
stick, the aircraft lost control and fell to the ground. People arrived within
a minute or so of the crash and started coordinating rescue.
Heres what Id do differently:
- The loss of power was quite gradual, like I was slowly pulling the throttle back.
In the future, I will treat that situation the same as a sudden loss of
power and land straight ahead. Ive spoken to several people about this scenario
and they agree that the gradual loss of power could be confusing. If the engine
stops cold theres not much question about committing to the straight-ahead
landing.
I present all of this for your consideration, education and information. Be advised
that Im not really presenting this information for debate. Please use what
you can and share as appropriate.
Thank you for all of your help, thoughts and prayers.
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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Subject: | Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!! |
Hi everyone,
Let me know if these pictures attach. If not, will someone in the "know"
about that stuff contact me and help me get them posted?
Well, after a two and a half year rebuild/facelift, here she is!!!
Taxied her around today and everything seems solid. My prayer is she flies
as pretty as she looks.
That's a Cont C-90 and a Cloud Car prop.
She hasn't flown yet, but thanks everyone for their encouragement and
help!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Douwe
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Thanks, Kevin. I know it takes guts to come out in public and discuss what went
wrong. Hopefully others can learn from your experience.
As my grandfather used to say "Experience is not the best teacher. OTHER PEOPLE's
experience is the best teacher."
Speedy recovery, my friend.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 2:59 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lessons Learned
Ladies and Gentlemen Ive promised to provide Lessons Learned from my 22 Jul 2012
engine failure. Ive had lots of time to think about the events, discuss them
with knowledgeable people, and discuss them with people who were actually
there. I have also discussed the accident extensively with the FAA investigator
and we agree on the information Im presenting here.
The engine lost power on takeoff. I attempted to turn back to the airport leading
to a classic stall-spin scenario. The engine lost power due to water contamination
in the fuel.
Ill start with the fuel contamination. Bottom Line Up Front: Build your fuel system
using the guidance from the Tony Bingelis books. My system is identical
to the schematic shown on page 159 of Tonys yellow book. Youll want to do a
little more research, though, and find out if hes put some applicable caveats
in there for you.
Heres what I believe happened in my situation. Water entered the fuel tank in
small amounts throughout the course of Brodhead. This occurred due to the aircraft
sitting outside in the rain and with my portable gas cans sitting outside
as well. The water amounts were small but added up. Enough water accumulated
in the bottom/rear of the tank and then, during flight, found its way to the
tank outlet and thus to the carburetor at the worst possible time. During fuel
checks I thoroughly drained the gascolator. When the aircraft is on the ground,
though, the bottom/rear of the fuel tank may have trapped some of the water.
Heres what Ill do different procedurally:
- I wont just drain the gascolator. Ill collect a proper fuel sample with a clear
container so I can determine how much water Im actually drawing off.
- If the tank is not equipped with its own sump (i.e. using just the gascolator
as the sump) I will raise the tail, rock the wings, etc., in order to more thoroughly
check for water that may be hiding in the tank.
- I will protect the gas tank and my portable gas cans from water contamination
by simply covering them.
Heres what Id do different design-wise:
- I will purposely build a sump into my tank, thereby guaranteeing the ability
to drain water from the lowest portion of the tank.
Now Ill address the engine failure on takeoff.
I had changed the propeller for the trip home and made a quick test flight. During
the flight, I noticed a small miss. I returned to Brodhead, landed, checked
the engine as best I could, checked for compression on all cylinders, drained
yet more fuel, and decided to try the flight again. The aircraft ran up perfectly
so I decided to take off. I made it about 1/8 mile south of the airport
boundary to about 200 AGL when the aircraft started to slowly lose power.
I immediately started a left turn back around to the airport. By the time the
turn was complete, and despite putting in what I thought was extensive forward
stick, the aircraft lost control and fell to the ground. People arrived within
a minute or so of the crash and started coordinating rescue.
Heres what Id do differently:
- The loss of power was quite gradual, like I was slowly pulling the throttle back.
In the future, I will treat that situation the same as a sudden loss of
power and land straight ahead. Ive spoken to several people about this scenario
and they agree that the gradual loss of power could be confusing. If the engine
stops cold theres not much question about committing to the straight-ahead
landing.
I present all of this for your consideration, education and information. Be advised
that Im not really presenting this information for debate. Please use what
you can and share as appropriate.
Thank you for all of your help, thoughts and prayers.
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NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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FANTASTIC!
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All I can say is "Wow, Douwe!"
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe
Blumberg
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 3:27 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!!
Hi everyone,
Let me know if these pictures attach. If not, will someone in the "know"
about that stuff contact me and help me get them posted?
Well, after a two and a half year rebuild/facelift, here she is!!!
Taxied her around today and everything seems solid. My prayer is she flies
as pretty as she looks.
That's a Cont C-90 and a Cloud Car prop.
She hasn't flown yet, but thanks everyone for their encouragement and
help!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Douwe
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Douwe::
Ooooo! That is nice.
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>>> "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.net> 8/3/2012 2:27 PM
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Hi everyone,
Let me know if these pictures attach. If not, will someone in the
know about that stuff contact me and help me get them posted?
Well, after a two and a half year rebuild/facelift, here she is!!!
Taxied her around today and everything seems solid. My prayer is she
flies as pretty as she looks.
Thats a Cont C-90 and a Cloud Car prop.
She hasnt flown yet, but thanks everyone for their encouragement and
help!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Douwe
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I am speechless. That is a really beautiful plane.
On 08/03/2012 02:27 PM, Douwe Blumberg wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> Let me know if these pictures attach. If not, will someone in the know
> about that stuff contact me and help me get them posted?
>
> Well, after a two and a half year rebuild/facelift, here she is!!!
>
> Taxied her around today and everything seems solid. My prayer is she
> flies as pretty as she looks.
>
> Thats a Cont C-90 and a Cloud Car prop.
>
> She hasnt flown yet, but thanks everyone for their encouragement and
> help!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Douwe
>
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yocum137@gmail.com
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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Just amazing, You can even keep your hands warm in the winter. It's beautiful.
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Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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Douwe Hi from England.
What a beautiful job you have done on this aircraft!
Love the colours and finish. It really looks the early 1930's part.
Very well done!
Regards
Gerry
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Well said, both Kevin and Jack.
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Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
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THANKS Kevin! No doubt tough to talk about.
A couple of OUTSTANDING points worth emphasis.
First, I just recently saw some water in fuel for the first time. Over all the
years I've been sumping drains, I look for water, have never seen any (I don't
think...) and off I've gone. Well, having just seen some recently, it did NOT
look like I thought it would have. Who knows if I've flown with water in my
fuel or not.
The point. Probably worth considering taking whatever you use to look for water,
and delibrately put some water in the fuel in your little screw driver fuel
checker, drain cup, whatever and see if it looks like what you thought, if you've
not seem some before. Try different amounts. Shake it up a little and see
how long it takes to coagulate back up to where it's noticable. Etc.
Second, the subtle difference between a gradual loss and sudden loss. I've never
considered that before and damn glad Kevin brought it up for thought.
Years ago, when I was giving safe for solo checkrides in A-4 Skyhawks in the Navy,
we had a choice of giving a kid a stuck throttle high or low power. I decided
to give this one kid a stuck throttle low power. Not sure why I did it,
but I decided to just oscillate the power between 86 and 90 percent, giving an
average power of 88 percent, just where I know he'd practiced it before (as that
was procedure, and I'd flown with him during training before this checkride).
That little difference of it oscillating REALLY threw him for a loop. And
honestly, it threw me for a loop that he was performing so poorly. Long story
short, he regrouped and got his way through it just fine. I was impressed.
During the debrief is when it became so clear how such a small difference affected
his thinking. The SAME applies for a power loss. Honestly, I've also always
sort of just assumed if I lost an engine, it'd be all at once. Not sure why,
I've had a million tractors just gradually lose power... But every engine
failure I've practiced in a plane, it was sudden. We fly like we train... we
can't help it.
At what point do we reach "if there's any doubt, there's no doubt?" TOUGH to put
a plane down in a cornfield (with almost certain damage, but survivability)
with the engine still running. Just because it's running, doesn't mean it'll
let the plane fly. Wow, just tons of food for thought. I certainly have a lot
of rethinking to do.
My comments, too, aren't intended for debate (though comments are certainly welcome).
Indeed there are no correct answers, just a few more things to sit and
think about during down time, to apply the next time I'm flying.
There but by the grace of God go I. Thanks again Kevin for writing. Speculation
doesn't seem to really get the neurons focused like knowing exactly what happened
and what can happen.
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Thanks for the summary and more importantly, the lessons learned. I'm about to
start tank construction and will definitely put some additional thought into
sump design as well as quick drains.
I know that you and Shelley (rightly) don't want to post pictures of FBG. At some
point in the future, once things settle down and you get a chance to look
at her with some objectivity, you might look at what could be improved from a
safety/survivability and consider sharing that knowledge.
Best wishes on a speedy recovery.
Dave and Sue Aldrich
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Wow. Just wow. Very nice!
Wayne Bressler
Taildraggers, Inc.
www.taildraggersinc.com
On Aug 3, 2012, at 3:27 PM, "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.net> w
rote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> Let me know if these pictures attach. If not, will someone in the =9C
know=9D about that stuff contact me and help me get them posted?
>
> Well, after a two and a half year rebuild/facelift, here she is!!!
>
> Taxied her around today and everything seems solid. My prayer is she flie
s as pretty as she looks.
>
> That=99s a Cont C-90 and a Cloud Car prop.
>
> She hasn=99t flown yet, but thanks everyone for their encouragement a
nd help!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Douwe
>
>
> <P1000475.JPG>
> <P1000476.JPG>
> <P1000477.JPG>
> <P1000478.JPG>
> <P1000479.JPG>
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Super Duper and WowWee! That is a NICE looking airplane, Douwe!
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear
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Douwe, good pictures. Really like your colors. How about some pics of the
cockpit?
Allan Macklem
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe
Blumberg
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 2:27 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!!
Hi everyone,
Let me know if these pictures attach. If not, will someone in the "know"
about that stuff contact me and help me get them posted?
Well, after a two and a half year rebuild/facelift, here she is!!!
Taxied her around today and everything seems solid. My prayer is she flies
as pretty as she looks.
That's a Cont C-90 and a Cloud Car prop.
She hasn't flown yet, but thanks everyone for their encouragement and
help!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Douwe
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AWESOME! Really beautiful job!
Earl
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Earl Brown
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I
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Kevin, I am a new builder and this is the first time I have commented on anything,
I think you are right about maintaining flight straight ahead and under control.
When I got my multi-engine rating the instructor said if we lost the critical
engine and could not maintain airspeed it was better to land straight ahead
and under control than upside down and out of control. I am glad to see you
getting better. Looks like we will be at the same stage now, I am starting
a steel tube air camper.[/b]
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I don't see much different from it's original incarnation... well except for EVERYTHING.
What a transformation!
Congratulations on a job well done.
Bill C.
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Nice Douwe. I look forward to seeing it at Brodhead next year.
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When I fabricated my replacement fuel tank I actually eliminated the lower
rear tank drain that I had in there previously. (Too complicated). Maybe th
is was a mistake? I do have two fuel take-offs, one on front and one in bac
k. In each of these I bumped the tank down low at that point. Hopefully thi
s will help get the water down to the gascolator sump. I have one of those
clear vinyl vertical tube fuel gages. This too is connected at a bump out (
down) in the tank. I just have a 1/8" pipe plug in the bottom of that now,
but I think I will put a quick drain in there . (I think Gary Boothe has on
e in his). I will change my pre-flight procedure, raising the tail and jost
ling the fuselage to try to persuade any water either down to the bottom of
the fuel gauge, or down the fuel lines to the gascolator sump. I vow to be
much more vigilant when checking for water in the drained fuel sample.
Thank you Kevin for sharing all this stuff. It will make us all safer.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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Thanks for sharing Kevin... lessons for all of us here. I'm sure that your words
and experience will benefit many.
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This is an exquisite aircraft Douwe! A true work of art. Love that flying p
ig hood ornament!!!
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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.and I have already worked out a re-routing of my fuel line to eliminate a
possible low point prior to the gascolator.
Thanks, Kevin!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
helspersew@aol.com
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 2:35 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: RE: Lessons learned
When I fabricated my replacement fuel tank I actually eliminated the lower
rear tank drain that I had in there previously. (Too complicated). Maybe
this was a mistake? I do have two fuel take-offs, one on front and one in
back. In each of these I bumped the tank down low at that point. Hopefully
this will help get the water down to the gascolator sump. I have one of
those clear vinyl vertical tube fuel gages. This too is connected at a bump
out (down) in the tank. I just have a 1/8" pipe plug in the bottom of that
now, but I think I will put a quick drain in there . (I think Gary Boothe
has one in his). I will change my pre-flight procedure, raising the tail and
jostling the fuselage to try to persuade any water either down to the bottom
of the fuel gauge, or down the fuel lines to the gascolator sump. I vow to
be much more vigilant when checking for water in the drained fuel sample.
Thank you Kevin for sharing all this stuff. It will make us all safer.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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Your Pietenpol looks fantastic Douwe and congratulations for getting some t
axi time in it under
your belt. I'm sure that felt great after all you've been thru to rebuild
her.
Will you fly your initial hours without engine cylinder cooling eyebrows yo
u think? Looks like the
cylinders have plenty of exposure to the breeze the way your cowl is formed
so maybe that is the
finished method.
You're going to really enjoy flying that thing and the flying weather only
gets sweeter in the fall with
harvest time being the most fun. There are lots of target rich combine en
vironments out there!
Mike C.
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Without a doubt that is one of the nicest Piets yet.
When you get
ready to sell, I'm ready to buy. I'm 90% serious. :) Wish we had been
able to meet when you were in town last year.
Steve Ruse
Norman, OK
On 2012-08-03 14:27, Douwe Blumberg wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> Let
me know if these pictures attach. If not, will someone in the "know"
about that stuff contact me and help me get them posted?
>
> Well,
after a two and a half year rebuild/facelift, here she is!!!
>
>
Taxied her around today and everything seems solid. My prayer is she
flies as pretty as she looks.
>
> That's a Cont C-90 and a Cloud Car
prop.
>
> She hasn't flown yet, but thanks everyone for their
encouragement and help!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Douwe
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Douwe,
The RE-PIET is beautiful. The name is meaningful to most of us. Like the name too.
Do you have an inspection lined up?
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
First flight June 16,2012
Started building July, 2009
21" wheels
Lycoming O-235 C2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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very exciting day. after many questions of the group and a bunch of prep work at
home, i finally started my piet build today. started with the rudder with some
good progress. ive got a few pics of a few of my favorite piets hanging up
in the shop for inspiration. here goes nothin. Paul
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Stand by for some of the best years of your life!! Send us some pictures...
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 4:04 PM
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--> <pauldonahuepilot@yahoo.com>
very exciting day. after many questions of the group and a bunch of prep
work at home, i finally started my piet build today. started with the rudder
with some good progress. ive got a few pics of a few of my favorite piets
hanging up in the shop for inspiration. here goes nothin. Paul
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Subject: | Re: Kevin Purtee and FBG Update 8/2/2012 |
Hi Shelley,
Glad you and Kevin made it home okay; funny my wife said the same thing when I
had my knee joint replacement. She was tired and I was fine!
Thanks to you wives we men are living longer.
Tell Kevin Hi from me and Arlene and will be looking for an update on FBG.
Best wishes and prayers,
Jim B.
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What a beautiful (Re-)Piet Douwe. I love your long exhaust pipes and the cowling;
really 1930's.
Great job.
Jim B.
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Is it 'Paul'? Just add your name to the bottom of your post, then, below
that, add: Do not archive. Just use the 'do not archive' when you're
sending something meaningless. If you're sending Piet pictures, I think
those should go in the archives.
Gary Boothe
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Hi Kevin,
Thank you for the explanation of what happened and how it happened. I have
been looking at his Yellow=C2-book to see how to run my fuel line and whe
re to put the shut-off valve.
Get well soon and hope to see you soon as well.
Jim and Arlene
=C2-
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Subject: | Re: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!! |
Wow, that grill screams ArtDeco. Love it.
Looks like it should have been on "the Rocketeer"!
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!!
> Hi everyone,
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> Let me know if these pictures attach. If not, will someone in the
> "know"about that stuff contact me and help me get them posted?
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> Well, after a two and a half year rebuild/facelift, here she is!!!
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> Taxied her around today and everything seems solid. My prayer is
> she flies
> as pretty as she looks.
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> That's a Cont C-90 and a Cloud Car prop.
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> She hasn't flown yet, but thanks everyone for their encouragement and
> help!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Subject: | Re: made first saw dust pile |
thanks Gary.
Paul Donahue
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Subject: | Re: made first saw dust pile |
Perfect! Now you know as much as I do!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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thanks Gary.
Paul Donahue
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Subject: | Re: made first saw dust pile |
Perfect Paul. Do a little bit every day and in a little while you will be trying
to figure out what color the paint the N number!
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
First flight June 16,2012
Started building July, 2009
21" wheels
Lycoming O-235 C2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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Subject: | Re: made first saw dust pile |
Way to go Paul! Like Gary said... good times ahead.
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Subject: | Re: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!! |
i just started my build today but have been trying to imagine what a a piet with
white tires and aerodynamic gear would look like and then i see yours. awesome!!!
Paul Donahue
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Subject: | Re: made first saw dust pile |
Jerry; was at lowes with the wife today. i found that swaging tool and snuck it
in the cart. it was 27.00 bucks. good thing it didnt say " for aircraft use",
it would have had a 1 infront of the 2. thanks.
Paul Donahue
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Subject: | Re: Lessons Learned |
Kevin,
I have read your assessment report and it appears you have done a great
deal of thinking it through objectively. I appreciate your candor and
willingness to share the information as it provides much for us all to think about
in designing and maintaining our fuel systems as the key is protecting it
from water contamination all the time.
Thanks again, I am really glad you're doing well and sorry we had to learn
about the fuel issue through your misfortune and expense of FBG.
Take care
John
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Subject: | Re: made first saw dust pile |
He already knows.....black and yellow.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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From: Jerry Dotson <jdotson@centurylink.net>
Sent: Fri, Aug 3, 2012 7:44 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: made first saw dust pile
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Perfect Paul. Do a little bit every day and in a little while you will be t
rying
to figure out what color the paint the N number!
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
First flight June 16,2012
Started building July, 2009
21" wheels
Lycoming O-235 C2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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Subject: | Re: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!! |
Awesome Douwe! Looks great! I like the green trim you added. Goes really well
with the base color. Very nice!
Don Emch
NX899DE
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Subject: | The final hours of Operation Axel |
Good evening ladies and gents,
Just wanted to drop a quick note and announce the impending official close of Operation
Axel at midnight, August 4!
In one week this most excellent community of Pietenpol family and friends have
contributed more than $2,000 to help Kevin and Shelley offset the cost of the
unfortunate events that transpired after Brodhead. In addition to the monetary
goodwill and contributions, Jim Markle has been taking down a list of parts and
supplies that are being made available to help FBG (and her family) return
to the skies once again. Truly an awesome thing!
So, we are open to receive contributions for one more day.if you have contributed,
thank you so very much for your generosity. In this economy (and especially
around Brodhead/Oshkosh time) it is certainly not easy to scrape together the
funds. If you still wish to contribute and have not, I welcome the paperwork!
:)
Thank you all again, and have a safe and happy weekend,
Ryan
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Subject: | Re: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!! |
Douwe, this is one of the most beautiful and aesthetically pleasing Piets I've
ever seen! You will certainly be the center of attention when it makes its arrival
at Brodhead. You should be VERY proud of the airplane that you have built.
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Billy McCaskill
Baker, LA
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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Subject: | Re: Fuel tank shut off valve |
But if you do decide to operate the Piet in saltwater, be sure to have plenty ping
pong balls and milk jugs stuffed inside the airplane for when the galvanic
corrosion compromises the fuel system and seizes the engine. ;)
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Subject: | Re: made first saw dust pile |
Woo hoo!
It gets gooder and gooder the more you build. Congrats on the first saw dust and
post pictures!
Mark
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