---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 08/03/12: 62 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:35 AM - Re: Kevin Purtee and FBG Update 8/2/2012 (helspersew@aol.com) 2. 04:37 AM - Re: performance with C-85 (Jack Phillips) 3. 04:40 AM - Re: performance with C-85 (airlion) 4. 04:53 AM - Re: performance with C-85 (heavyliftpilot) 5. 06:13 AM - Re: Kevin Purtee and FBG Update 8/2/2012 (IT Girl) 6. 06:17 AM - Re: Fat Bottom Girl (FBG) rebuild....? (IT Girl) 7. 06:48 AM - Re: Re: Fat Bottom Girl (FBG) rebuild....? (dog67@aol.com) 8. 07:56 AM - Progress Update (Michael Perez) 9. 08:15 AM - Fuel tank shut off valve (chase143(at)aol.com) 10. 09:05 AM - Re: Progress Update (V Groah) 11. 09:38 AM - Re: Kevin Purtee and FBG Update 8/2/2012 (Mark Roberts) 12. 09:52 AM - Re: Fuel tank shut off valve (Gene Rambo) 13. 11:38 AM - Re: Fuel tank shut off valve (Bill Church) 14. 11:46 AM - Re: Kevin Purtee and FBG Update 8/2/2012 (Billy McCaskill) 15. 11:56 AM - Re: Re: Fuel tank shut off valve (Gene Rambo) 16. 11:59 AM - Lessons Learned (kevinpurtee) 17. 12:22 PM - Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!! (Douwe Blumberg) 18. 12:29 PM - Re: Lessons Learned (Jack Phillips) 19. 12:30 PM - Re: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!! (899PM) 20. 12:31 PM - Re: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!! (Jack Phillips) 21. 12:39 PM - Re: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!! (TOM STINEMETZE) 22. 12:44 PM - Re: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!! (Dan Yocum) 23. 12:46 PM - Re: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!! (AircamperN11MS) 24. 12:51 PM - Re: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!! (Gerry Holland) 25. 12:53 PM - Re: Lessons Learned (AircamperN11MS) 26. 12:56 PM - Re: Lessons Learned (tools) 27. 01:00 PM - Re: Lessons Learned (dgaldrich) 28. 01:03 PM - Re: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!! (Wayne Bressler) 29. 01:03 PM - Re: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!! (K5YAC) 30. 01:22 PM - Re: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!! (Allan Macklem) 31. 01:24 PM - Re: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!! (echobravo4) 32. 02:10 PM - Re: Lessons Learned (biplan53) 33. 02:18 PM - Re: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!! (Bill Church) 34. 02:28 PM - Re: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!! (John Francis) 35. 02:36 PM - Re: Lessons learned (helspersew@aol.com) 36. 02:36 PM - Re: Lessons Learned (K5YAC) 37. 02:49 PM - Re: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!! (helspersew@aol.com) 38. 02:50 PM - Re: Re: Lessons learned (Gary Boothe) 39. 03:11 PM - Re: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!! (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]) 40. 03:14 PM - Re: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!! (steve@wotelectronics.com) 41. 03:30 PM - Re: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!! (Jerry Dotson) 42. 04:04 PM - made first saw dust pile (nightmare) 43. 04:09 PM - Re: made first saw dust pile (Gary Boothe) 44. 04:12 PM - Re: made first saw dust pile (nightmare) 45. 04:16 PM - Re: Kevin Purtee and FBG Update 8/2/2012 (Jim Boyer) 46. 04:31 PM - Re: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!! (Jim Boyer) 47. 04:33 PM - Re: Re: made first saw dust pile (Gary Boothe) 48. 04:34 PM - Re: Lessons Learned (Jim Boyer) 49. 04:39 PM - Re: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!! (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB) 50. 04:59 PM - Re: made first saw dust pile (nightmare) 51. 05:03 PM - Re: Re: made first saw dust pile (Gary Boothe) 52. 05:44 PM - Re: made first saw dust pile (Jerry Dotson) 53. 05:51 PM - Re: made first saw dust pile (K5YAC) 54. 06:25 PM - Re: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!! (nightmare) 55. 06:35 PM - Re: made first saw dust pile (nightmare) 56. 06:59 PM - Re: Lessons Learned (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 57. 07:22 PM - Re: Re: made first saw dust pile (helspersew@aol.com) 58. 07:43 PM - Re: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!! (Don Emch) 59. 08:15 PM - The final hours of Operation Axel (Ryan Mueller) 60. 08:59 PM - Re: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!! (Billy McCaskill) 61. 09:12 PM - Re: Fuel tank shut off valve (Billy McCaskill) 62. 10:35 PM - Re: made first saw dust pile (Mark Roberts) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:35:24 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Kevin Purtee and FBG Update 8/2/2012 From: helspersew@aol.com Continued great news Shelley. Keep it coming! Dan Helsper Puryear, TN do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:37:50 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: performance with C-85 James, it largely depends on the weight. I've only flown one GN-1 and that was 35 years ago. What airfoil do you have? I kept my Pietenpol for years at a 2000' strip in North Carolina with tall trees at the end. I could get out fine by myself. I also never took a passenger with me, and would not consider doing so. It simply wouldn't climb fast enough to get over the trees. You'll probably be OK to fly solo from there. Get some experience flying passengers from long runways before trying it there. I would NOT use that field for your first test flights. Find a field with long runways and good approaches until you are comfortable with the airplane. Good Luck! Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of heavyliftpilot Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 9:39 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: performance with C-85 Hi everyone....i am about to the point of covering my GN-1, but would like some feedback on 'real world' number:...IE, T/O distance, climb rate, with the C-85, single and with passenger. I have 1800' (if i t/o to the east, and 1400 to the west) before i run into the 75' georgia pines....Thanks, james Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379916#379916 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:40:25 AM PST US From: airlion Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: performance with C-85 Hi James, where are you located? I am in Lagrange with my pietenpol along with Bill Roberts with his GN 1. Gardiner Mason ----- Original Message ---- From: heavyliftpilot Sent: Thu, August 2, 2012 9:40:38 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: performance with C-85 Hi everyone....i am about to the point of covering my GN-1, but would like some feedback on 'real world' number:...IE, T/O distance, climb rate, with the C-85, single and with passenger. I have 1800' (if i t/o to the east, and 1400 to the west) before i run into the 75' georgia pines....Thanks, james Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379916#379916 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:53:12 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: performance with C-85 From: "heavyliftpilot" Hi Gardiner, I'm located about 30 miles NW of savannah, ga... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379933#379933 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:13:23 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Kevin Purtee and FBG Update 8/2/2012 From: "IT Girl" Billy McCaskill wrote: > Great news, Shelley. I'm still keeping you guys in my prayers. Will there be any pics of FBG posted after she finally arrives back home? > > > do not archive Kevin has asked that we not post pictures of the wreckage. We really don't anyone to see the photos and be discouraged from their project. What i do want you to know, and know that i believe it in my heart, is that the design of the Air Camper saved his life. Those who witnessed the accident can and will tell you that the airplane absorbed the impact of the crash, reducing significantly the injuries Kevin received. -------- Shelley Tumino IT Girl wife of "Axel" NX899KP DO NOT ARCHIVE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379937#379937 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:17:14 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fat Bottom Girl (FBG) rebuild....? From: "IT Girl" airlion(at)bellsouth.net wrote: > Isany of the plane parts salvageable? Engine? I have a good source > for verticle grain douglas fir near Atlanta, > > > --- We are not sure yet what will be salvageable, and we are having the engine inspected by Mark P. and WW. -------- Shelley Tumino IT Girl wife of "Axel" NX899KP DO NOT ARCHIVE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379938#379938 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:48:21 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fat Bottom Girl (FBG) rebuild....? From: dog67@aol.com Shelley - If the engienis not salavagable, I have about 80 percent of a complete co rvair, head work done, etc, that I'd be up for donating to the cause. Glad to hear that y'alla re back home and that Kevin is on the mend. Cheers Jon Apfelbaum -----Original Message----- From: IT Girl Sent: Fri, Aug 3, 2012 7:17 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fat Bottom Girl (FBG) rebuild....? irlion(at)bellsouth.net wrote: Is=C3=AF=C2=C2=BDany of the plane parts salvageable? Engine? I have a g ood source for verticle grain douglas fir near Atlanta, --- We are not sure yet what will be salvageable, and we are having the engine nspected by Mark P. and WW. -------- helley Tumino T Girl ife of "Axel" X899KP DO NOT ARCHIVE ead this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379938#379938 -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:56:31 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Pietenpol-List: Progress Update I thought I would take a moment to share my latest work on my plane. It has been a good couple weeks. I made my cable hole locating templates fo r the fuselage and- started covering. Using said templates, I marked the cable exit holes and coiled up the cables outside the covering.- While up -side-down, I painted the bottom. The fuselage is now right-side-up and on its landing gear. Just about everything done- on the plane now and to com e, I call "flight hardware", meaning these items are flight ready and will not be coming back off.- No more fitting with inappropriate nuts/bolts ju st to take it all back apart!- I'll finish paint/insignias and than back to engine work and installation. Michael Perez =0APietenpol HINT Videos =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:15:01 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuel tank shut off valve From: "chase143(at)aol.com" Hello all, Would appreciate any thoughts or considerations for what type of shutoff valve to attach to the bottom of an aluminum fuel tank. I understand Brass/bronze to aluminum is a no-no, but I dont see many aluminum valves and I think they would not be as strong. Or is it better to weld on a fixed nozzle and put a shut off valve somewhere in-line? Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated. Steve -------- Steve www.mypiet.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379941#379941 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:05:25 AM PST US From: V Groah Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Progress Update Looking good Mike=2C I don't know how you keep such a neat shop and get all that work done. Good to hear you are making such good progress. You shou ld be talking with the inspector soon. Vic 414MV do not archive From: speedbrake@sbcglobal.net Subject: Pietenpol-List: Progress Update I thought I would take a moment to share my latest work on my plane. It has been a good couple weeks. I made my cable hole locating templates fo r the fuselage and started covering. Using said templates=2C I marked the cable exit holes and coiled up the cables outside the covering. While up-s ide-down=2C I painted the bottom. The fuselage is now right-side-up and on its landing gear. Just about everything done on the plane now and to come =2C I call "flight hardware"=2C meaning these items are flight ready and wi ll not be coming back off. No more fitting with inappropriate nuts/bolts j ust to take it all back apart! I'll finish paint/insignias and than back to engine work and installation. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:38:24 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Kevin Purtee and FBG Update 8/2/2012 From: "Mark Roberts" Good call. -------- do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379946#379946 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:52:34 AM PST US From: Gene Rambo Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fuel tank shut off valve I don't think brass and aluminum is a no-no=2C never heard that one. There are plenty of brass valves out there. I am using an original Model A valv e=2C perfect for the center section tank=2C probably just as good for a fus elage tank too because it makes an immediate 90 degree turn so does not sti ck straight down. Genedo not archive > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuel tank shut off valve > From: chase143@aol.com > Date: Fri=2C 3 Aug 2012 08:14:48 -0700 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > .com> > > Hello all=2C > Would appreciate any thoughts or considerations for what type of shutoff valve to attach to the bottom of an aluminum fuel tank. I understand Brass/ bronze to aluminum is a no-no=2C but I don=99t see many aluminum valv es and I think they would not be as strong. Or is it better to weld on a fi xed nozzle and put a shut off valve somewhere in-line? Any thoughts would b e greatly appreciated. > Steve > > -------- > Steve > www.mypiet.com > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379941#379941 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:38:17 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuel tank shut off valve From: "Bill Church" Well, in general, brass and aluminum are not recommended to be used in contact with each other, due to the likelihood of galvanic reaction. Under the right conditions (in the presence of salt water, for instance), a galvanic cell will be created, with the brass acting as the cathode, and the aluminum acting as the anode. The result will be a transfer of electrons, producing electricity, and also corrosion of the aluminum. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379948#379948 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:46:15 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Kevin Purtee and FBG Update 8/2/2012 From: "Billy McCaskill" I understand, Shelley. do not archive -------- Billy McCaskill Baker, LA tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379949#379949 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:56:34 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuel tank shut off valve From: Gene Rambo Then there are a lot of brass bushings etc that are going to have to be replaced in lycoming/continental engines. But I understand what you are saying. Don't fly the Piet in salt water. Gene Do not archive On Aug 3, 2012, at 2:37 PM, "Bill Church" wrote: > > Well, in general, brass and aluminum are not recommended to be used in contact with each other, due to the likelihood of galvanic reaction. Under the right conditions (in the presence of salt water, for instance), a galvanic cell will be created, with the brass acting as the cathode, and the aluminum acting as the anode. The result will be a transfer of electrons, producing electricity, and also corrosion of the aluminum. > > Bill C. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379948#379948 > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:59:05 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lessons Learned From: "kevinpurtee" Ladies and Gentlemen Ive promised to provide Lessons Learned from my 22 Jul 2012 engine failure. Ive had lots of time to think about the events, discuss them with knowledgeable people, and discuss them with people who were actually there. I have also discussed the accident extensively with the FAA investigator and we agree on the information Im presenting here. The engine lost power on takeoff. I attempted to turn back to the airport leading to a classic stall-spin scenario. The engine lost power due to water contamination in the fuel. Ill start with the fuel contamination. Bottom Line Up Front: Build your fuel system using the guidance from the Tony Bingelis books. My system is identical to the schematic shown on page 159 of Tonys yellow book. Youll want to do a little more research, though, and find out if hes put some applicable caveats in there for you. Heres what I believe happened in my situation. Water entered the fuel tank in small amounts throughout the course of Brodhead. This occurred due to the aircraft sitting outside in the rain and with my portable gas cans sitting outside as well. The water amounts were small but added up. Enough water accumulated in the bottom/rear of the tank and then, during flight, found its way to the tank outlet and thus to the carburetor at the worst possible time. During fuel checks I thoroughly drained the gascolator. When the aircraft is on the ground, though, the bottom/rear of the fuel tank may have trapped some of the water. Heres what Ill do different procedurally: - I wont just drain the gascolator. Ill collect a proper fuel sample with a clear container so I can determine how much water Im actually drawing off. - If the tank is not equipped with its own sump (i.e. using just the gascolator as the sump) I will raise the tail, rock the wings, etc., in order to more thoroughly check for water that may be hiding in the tank. - I will protect the gas tank and my portable gas cans from water contamination by simply covering them. Heres what Id do different design-wise: - I will purposely build a sump into my tank, thereby guaranteeing the ability to drain water from the lowest portion of the tank. Now Ill address the engine failure on takeoff. I had changed the propeller for the trip home and made a quick test flight. During the flight, I noticed a small miss. I returned to Brodhead, landed, checked the engine as best I could, checked for compression on all cylinders, drained yet more fuel, and decided to try the flight again. The aircraft ran up perfectly so I decided to take off. I made it about 1/8 mile south of the airport boundary to about 200 AGL when the aircraft started to slowly lose power. I immediately started a left turn back around to the airport. By the time the turn was complete, and despite putting in what I thought was extensive forward stick, the aircraft lost control and fell to the ground. People arrived within a minute or so of the crash and started coordinating rescue. Heres what Id do differently: - The loss of power was quite gradual, like I was slowly pulling the throttle back. In the future, I will treat that situation the same as a sudden loss of power and land straight ahead. Ive spoken to several people about this scenario and they agree that the gradual loss of power could be confusing. If the engine stops cold theres not much question about committing to the straight-ahead landing. I present all of this for your consideration, education and information. Be advised that Im not really presenting this information for debate. Please use what you can and share as appropriate. Thank you for all of your help, thoughts and prayers. -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/San Marcos, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379951#379951 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:22:51 PM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!! Hi everyone, Let me know if these pictures attach. If not, will someone in the "know" about that stuff contact me and help me get them posted? Well, after a two and a half year rebuild/facelift, here she is!!! Taxied her around today and everything seems solid. My prayer is she flies as pretty as she looks. That's a Cont C-90 and a Cloud Car prop. She hasn't flown yet, but thanks everyone for their encouragement and help!!!!!!!!!!!!! Douwe ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 12:29:24 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Lessons Learned Thanks, Kevin. I know it takes guts to come out in public and discuss what went wrong. Hopefully others can learn from your experience. As my grandfather used to say "Experience is not the best teacher. OTHER PEOPLE's experience is the best teacher." Speedy recovery, my friend. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kevinpurtee Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 2:59 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lessons Learned Ladies and Gentlemen Ive promised to provide Lessons Learned from my 22 Jul 2012 engine failure. Ive had lots of time to think about the events, discuss them with knowledgeable people, and discuss them with people who were actually there. I have also discussed the accident extensively with the FAA investigator and we agree on the information Im presenting here. The engine lost power on takeoff. I attempted to turn back to the airport leading to a classic stall-spin scenario. The engine lost power due to water contamination in the fuel. Ill start with the fuel contamination. Bottom Line Up Front: Build your fuel system using the guidance from the Tony Bingelis books. My system is identical to the schematic shown on page 159 of Tonys yellow book. Youll want to do a little more research, though, and find out if hes put some applicable caveats in there for you. Heres what I believe happened in my situation. Water entered the fuel tank in small amounts throughout the course of Brodhead. This occurred due to the aircraft sitting outside in the rain and with my portable gas cans sitting outside as well. The water amounts were small but added up. Enough water accumulated in the bottom/rear of the tank and then, during flight, found its way to the tank outlet and thus to the carburetor at the worst possible time. During fuel checks I thoroughly drained the gascolator. When the aircraft is on the ground, though, the bottom/rear of the fuel tank may have trapped some of the water. Heres what Ill do different procedurally: - I wont just drain the gascolator. Ill collect a proper fuel sample with a clear container so I can determine how much water Im actually drawing off. - If the tank is not equipped with its own sump (i.e. using just the gascolator as the sump) I will raise the tail, rock the wings, etc., in order to more thoroughly check for water that may be hiding in the tank. - I will protect the gas tank and my portable gas cans from water contamination by simply covering them. Heres what Id do different design-wise: - I will purposely build a sump into my tank, thereby guaranteeing the ability to drain water from the lowest portion of the tank. Now Ill address the engine failure on takeoff. I had changed the propeller for the trip home and made a quick test flight. During the flight, I noticed a small miss. I returned to Brodhead, landed, checked the engine as best I could, checked for compression on all cylinders, drained yet more fuel, and decided to try the flight again. The aircraft ran up perfectly so I decided to take off. I made it about 1/8 mile south of the airport boundary to about 200 AGL when the aircraft started to slowly lose power. I immediately started a left turn back around to the airport. By the time the turn was complete, and despite putting in what I thought was extensive forward stick, the aircraft lost control and fell to the ground. People arrived within a minute or so of the crash and started coordinating rescue. Heres what Id do differently: - The loss of power was quite gradual, like I was slowly pulling the throttle back. In the future, I will treat that situation the same as a sudden loss of power and land straight ahead. Ive spoken to several people about this scenario and they agree that the gradual loss of power could be confusing. If the engine stops cold theres not much question about committing to the straight-ahead landing. I present all of this for your consideration, education and information. Be advised that Im not really presenting this information for debate. Please use what you can and share as appropriate. Thank you for all of your help, thoughts and prayers. -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/San Marcos, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379951#379951 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 12:30:49 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!! From: "899PM" FANTASTIC! -------- PAPA MIKE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379955#379955 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 12:31:47 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!! All I can say is "Wow, Douwe!" Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe Blumberg Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 3:27 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!! Hi everyone, Let me know if these pictures attach. If not, will someone in the "know" about that stuff contact me and help me get them posted? Well, after a two and a half year rebuild/facelift, here she is!!! Taxied her around today and everything seems solid. My prayer is she flies as pretty as she looks. That's a Cont C-90 and a Cloud Car prop. She hasn't flown yet, but thanks everyone for their encouragement and help!!!!!!!!!!!!! Douwe ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 12:39:14 PM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!! Douwe:: Ooooo! That is nice. Tom Stinemetze do not archive City of McPherson Zoning Administrator Thomas Stinemetze 620-245-2548 This e-mail and all attachments, if any, may contain legally privileged information and is intended for use only by the intended recipient(s). Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify by return e-mail or the above phone number and permanently delete or destroy the originals and any copies of this e-mail including attachments. >>> "Douwe Blumberg" 8/3/2012 2:27 PM >>> Hi everyone, Let me know if these pictures attach. If not, will someone in the know about that stuff contact me and help me get them posted? Well, after a two and a half year rebuild/facelift, here she is!!! Taxied her around today and everything seems solid. My prayer is she flies as pretty as she looks. Thats a Cont C-90 and a Cloud Car prop. She hasnt flown yet, but thanks everyone for their encouragement and help!!!!!!!!!!!!! Douwe ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 12:44:24 PM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!! I am speechless. That is a really beautiful plane. On 08/03/2012 02:27 PM, Douwe Blumberg wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Let me know if these pictures attach. If not, will someone in the know > about that stuff contact me and help me get them posted? > > Well, after a two and a half year rebuild/facelift, here she is!!! > > Taxied her around today and everything seems solid. My prayer is she > flies as pretty as she looks. > > Thats a Cont C-90 and a Cloud Car prop. > > She hasnt flown yet, but thanks everyone for their encouragement and > help!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Douwe > -- Dan Yocum yocum137@gmail.com "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 12:46:45 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!! From: "AircamperN11MS" Just amazing, You can even keep your hands warm in the winter. It's beautiful. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379959#379959 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 12:51:05 PM PST US From: Gerry Holland Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!! Douwe Hi from England. What a beautiful job you have done on this aircraft! Love the colours and finish. It really looks the early 1930's part. Very well done! Regards Gerry ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 12:53:37 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Lessons Learned From: "AircamperN11MS" Well said, both Kevin and Jack. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379960#379960 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 12:56:36 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Lessons Learned From: "tools" THANKS Kevin! No doubt tough to talk about. A couple of OUTSTANDING points worth emphasis. First, I just recently saw some water in fuel for the first time. Over all the years I've been sumping drains, I look for water, have never seen any (I don't think...) and off I've gone. Well, having just seen some recently, it did NOT look like I thought it would have. Who knows if I've flown with water in my fuel or not. The point. Probably worth considering taking whatever you use to look for water, and delibrately put some water in the fuel in your little screw driver fuel checker, drain cup, whatever and see if it looks like what you thought, if you've not seem some before. Try different amounts. Shake it up a little and see how long it takes to coagulate back up to where it's noticable. Etc. Second, the subtle difference between a gradual loss and sudden loss. I've never considered that before and damn glad Kevin brought it up for thought. Years ago, when I was giving safe for solo checkrides in A-4 Skyhawks in the Navy, we had a choice of giving a kid a stuck throttle high or low power. I decided to give this one kid a stuck throttle low power. Not sure why I did it, but I decided to just oscillate the power between 86 and 90 percent, giving an average power of 88 percent, just where I know he'd practiced it before (as that was procedure, and I'd flown with him during training before this checkride). That little difference of it oscillating REALLY threw him for a loop. And honestly, it threw me for a loop that he was performing so poorly. Long story short, he regrouped and got his way through it just fine. I was impressed. During the debrief is when it became so clear how such a small difference affected his thinking. The SAME applies for a power loss. Honestly, I've also always sort of just assumed if I lost an engine, it'd be all at once. Not sure why, I've had a million tractors just gradually lose power... But every engine failure I've practiced in a plane, it was sudden. We fly like we train... we can't help it. At what point do we reach "if there's any doubt, there's no doubt?" TOUGH to put a plane down in a cornfield (with almost certain damage, but survivability) with the engine still running. Just because it's running, doesn't mean it'll let the plane fly. Wow, just tons of food for thought. I certainly have a lot of rethinking to do. My comments, too, aren't intended for debate (though comments are certainly welcome). Indeed there are no correct answers, just a few more things to sit and think about during down time, to apply the next time I'm flying. There but by the grace of God go I. Thanks again Kevin for writing. Speculation doesn't seem to really get the neurons focused like knowing exactly what happened and what can happen. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379968#379968 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 01:00:48 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Lessons Learned From: "dgaldrich" Thanks for the summary and more importantly, the lessons learned. I'm about to start tank construction and will definitely put some additional thought into sump design as well as quick drains. I know that you and Shelley (rightly) don't want to post pictures of FBG. At some point in the future, once things settle down and you get a chance to look at her with some objectivity, you might look at what could be improved from a safety/survivability and consider sharing that knowledge. Best wishes on a speedy recovery. Dave and Sue Aldrich do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379975#379975 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 01:03:01 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!! From: Wayne Bressler Wow. Just wow. Very nice! Wayne Bressler Taildraggers, Inc. www.taildraggersinc.com On Aug 3, 2012, at 3:27 PM, "Douwe Blumberg" w rote: > Hi everyone, > > Let me know if these pictures attach. If not, will someone in the =9C know=9D about that stuff contact me and help me get them posted? > > Well, after a two and a half year rebuild/facelift, here she is!!! > > Taxied her around today and everything seems solid. My prayer is she flie s as pretty as she looks. > > That=99s a Cont C-90 and a Cloud Car prop. > > She hasn=99t flown yet, but thanks everyone for their encouragement a nd help!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Douwe > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 01:03:44 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!! From: "K5YAC" Super Duper and WowWee! That is a NICE looking airplane, Douwe! -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379976#379976 ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 01:22:04 PM PST US From: "Allan Macklem" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!! Douwe, good pictures. Really like your colors. How about some pics of the cockpit? Allan Macklem From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe Blumberg Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 2:27 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!! Hi everyone, Let me know if these pictures attach. If not, will someone in the "know" about that stuff contact me and help me get them posted? Well, after a two and a half year rebuild/facelift, here she is!!! Taxied her around today and everything seems solid. My prayer is she flies as pretty as she looks. That's a Cont C-90 and a Cloud Car prop. She hasn't flown yet, but thanks everyone for their encouragement and help!!!!!!!!!!!!! Douwe _____ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 01:24:29 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!! From: "echobravo4" AWESOME! Really beautiful job! Earl Do not archive -------- Earl Brown I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I intended to be. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379978#379978 ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 02:10:07 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Lessons Learned From: "biplan53" Kevin, I am a new builder and this is the first time I have commented on anything, I think you are right about maintaining flight straight ahead and under control. When I got my multi-engine rating the instructor said if we lost the critical engine and could not maintain airspeed it was better to land straight ahead and under control than upside down and out of control. I am glad to see you getting better. Looks like we will be at the same stage now, I am starting a steel tube air camper.[/b] -------- Building steel fuselage aircamper. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379980#379980 ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 02:18:01 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!! From: "Bill Church" I don't see much different from it's original incarnation... well except for EVERYTHING. What a transformation! Congratulations on a job well done. Bill C. do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379982#379982 ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 02:28:48 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!! From: "John Francis" Nice Douwe. I look forward to seeing it at Brodhead next year. Do not archive -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379983#379983 ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 02:36:09 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: RE: Lessons learned From: helspersew@aol.com When I fabricated my replacement fuel tank I actually eliminated the lower rear tank drain that I had in there previously. (Too complicated). Maybe th is was a mistake? I do have two fuel take-offs, one on front and one in bac k. In each of these I bumped the tank down low at that point. Hopefully thi s will help get the water down to the gascolator sump. I have one of those clear vinyl vertical tube fuel gages. This too is connected at a bump out ( down) in the tank. I just have a 1/8" pipe plug in the bottom of that now, but I think I will put a quick drain in there . (I think Gary Boothe has on e in his). I will change my pre-flight procedure, raising the tail and jost ling the fuselage to try to persuade any water either down to the bottom of the fuel gauge, or down the fuel lines to the gascolator sump. I vow to be much more vigilant when checking for water in the drained fuel sample. Thank you Kevin for sharing all this stuff. It will make us all safer. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 02:36:52 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Lessons Learned From: "K5YAC" Thanks for sharing Kevin... lessons for all of us here. I'm sure that your words and experience will benefit many. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379984#379984 ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 02:49:05 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!! From: helspersew@aol.com This is an exquisite aircraft Douwe! A true work of art. Love that flying p ig hood ornament!!! Dan Helsper Puryear, TN ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 02:50:02 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: RE: Lessons learned .and I have already worked out a re-routing of my fuel line to eliminate a possible low point prior to the gascolator. Thanks, Kevin! Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of helspersew@aol.com Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 2:35 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: RE: Lessons learned When I fabricated my replacement fuel tank I actually eliminated the lower rear tank drain that I had in there previously. (Too complicated). Maybe this was a mistake? I do have two fuel take-offs, one on front and one in back. In each of these I bumped the tank down low at that point. Hopefully this will help get the water down to the gascolator sump. I have one of those clear vinyl vertical tube fuel gages. This too is connected at a bump out (down) in the tank. I just have a 1/8" pipe plug in the bottom of that now, but I think I will put a quick drain in there . (I think Gary Boothe has one in his). I will change my pre-flight procedure, raising the tail and jostling the fuselage to try to persuade any water either down to the bottom of the fuel gauge, or down the fuel lines to the gascolator sump. I vow to be much more vigilant when checking for water in the drained fuel sample. Thank you Kevin for sharing all this stuff. It will make us all safer. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 03:11:07 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!! Your Pietenpol looks fantastic Douwe and congratulations for getting some t axi time in it under your belt. I'm sure that felt great after all you've been thru to rebuild her. Will you fly your initial hours without engine cylinder cooling eyebrows yo u think? Looks like the cylinders have plenty of exposure to the breeze the way your cowl is formed so maybe that is the finished method. You're going to really enjoy flying that thing and the flying weather only gets sweeter in the fall with harvest time being the most fun. There are lots of target rich combine en vironments out there! Mike C. do not archive ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 03:14:28 PM PST US From: steve@wotelectronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!! Without a doubt that is one of the nicest Piets yet. When you get ready to sell, I'm ready to buy. I'm 90% serious. :) Wish we had been able to meet when you were in town last year. Steve Ruse Norman, OK On 2012-08-03 14:27, Douwe Blumberg wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Let me know if these pictures attach. If not, will someone in the "know" about that stuff contact me and help me get them posted? > > Well, after a two and a half year rebuild/facelift, here she is!!! > > Taxied her around today and everything seems solid. My prayer is she flies as pretty as she looks. > > That's a Cont C-90 and a Cloud Car prop. > > She hasn't flown yet, but thanks everyone for their encouragement and help!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Douwe ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 03:30:37 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!! From: "Jerry Dotson" Douwe, The RE-PIET is beautiful. The name is meaningful to most of us. Like the name too. Do you have an inspection lined up? -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 First flight June 16,2012 Started building July, 2009 21" wheels Lycoming O-235 C2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379990#379990 ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 04:04:00 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: made first saw dust pile From: "nightmare" very exciting day. after many questions of the group and a bunch of prep work at home, i finally started my piet build today. started with the rudder with some good progress. ive got a few pics of a few of my favorite piets hanging up in the shop for inspiration. here goes nothin. Paul Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379991#379991 ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 04:09:15 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: made first saw dust pile Stand by for some of the best years of your life!! Send us some pictures... Gary Boothe NX308MB Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nightmare Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 4:04 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: made first saw dust pile --> very exciting day. after many questions of the group and a bunch of prep work at home, i finally started my piet build today. started with the rudder with some good progress. ive got a few pics of a few of my favorite piets hanging up in the shop for inspiration. here goes nothin. Paul Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379991#379991 ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 04:12:48 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: made first saw dust pile From: "nightmare" will do. how do i add the " do not archive" ? thanks Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379993#379993 ________________________________ Message 45 ____________________________________ Time: 04:16:15 PM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Kevin Purtee and FBG Update 8/2/2012 Hi Shelley, Glad you and Kevin made it home okay; funny my wife said the same thing when I had my knee joint replacement. She was tired and I was fine! Thanks to you wives we men are living longer. Tell Kevin Hi from me and Arlene and will be looking for an update on FBG. Best wishes and prayers, Jim B. ________________________________ Message 46 ____________________________________ Time: 04:31:16 PM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!! What a beautiful (Re-)Piet Douwe. I love your long exhaust pipes and the cowling; really 1930's. Great job. Jim B. ________________________________ Message 47 ____________________________________ Time: 04:33:23 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: made first saw dust pile Is it 'Paul'? Just add your name to the bottom of your post, then, below that, add: Do not archive. Just use the 'do not archive' when you're sending something meaningless. If you're sending Piet pictures, I think those should go in the archives. Gary Boothe NX308MB Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nightmare Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 4:13 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: made first saw dust pile --> will do. how do i add the " do not archive" ? thanks Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379993#379993 ________________________________ Message 48 ____________________________________ Time: 04:34:50 PM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lessons Learned Hi Kevin, Thank you for the explanation of what happened and how it happened. I have been looking at his Yellow=C2-book to see how to run my fuel line and whe re to put the shut-off valve. Get well soon and hope to see you soon as well. Jim and Arlene =C2- Do not archive ________________________________ Message 49 ____________________________________ Time: 04:39:12 PM PST US From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!! Wow, that grill screams ArtDeco. Love it. Looks like it should have been on "the Rocketeer"! Blue Skies, Steve D ----- Original Message ----- From: Douwe Blumberg Subject: Pietenpol-List: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!! > Hi everyone, > > > > Let me know if these pictures attach. If not, will someone in the > "know"about that stuff contact me and help me get them posted? > > > > Well, after a two and a half year rebuild/facelift, here she is!!! > > > > Taxied her around today and everything seems solid. My prayer is > she flies > as pretty as she looks. > > > > That's a Cont C-90 and a Cloud Car prop. > > > > She hasn't flown yet, but thanks everyone for their encouragement and > help!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > > Douwe > > > > > ________________________________ Message 50 ____________________________________ Time: 04:59:55 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: made first saw dust pile From: "nightmare" thanks Gary. Paul Donahue do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380001#380001 ________________________________ Message 51 ____________________________________ Time: 05:03:15 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: made first saw dust pile Perfect! Now you know as much as I do! Gary Boothe NX308MB Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nightmare Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 5:00 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: made first saw dust pile --> thanks Gary. Paul Donahue do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380001#380001 ________________________________ Message 52 ____________________________________ Time: 05:44:00 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: made first saw dust pile From: "Jerry Dotson" Perfect Paul. Do a little bit every day and in a little while you will be trying to figure out what color the paint the N number! -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 First flight June 16,2012 Started building July, 2009 21" wheels Lycoming O-235 C2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380003#380003 ________________________________ Message 53 ____________________________________ Time: 05:51:24 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: made first saw dust pile From: "K5YAC" Way to go Paul! Like Gary said... good times ahead. do not archive -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380004#380004 ________________________________ Message 54 ____________________________________ Time: 06:25:02 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!! From: "nightmare" i just started my build today but have been trying to imagine what a a piet with white tires and aerodynamic gear would look like and then i see yours. awesome!!! Paul Donahue Do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380005#380005 ________________________________ Message 55 ____________________________________ Time: 06:35:45 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: made first saw dust pile From: "nightmare" Jerry; was at lowes with the wife today. i found that swaging tool and snuck it in the cart. it was 27.00 bucks. good thing it didnt say " for aircraft use", it would have had a 1 infront of the 2. thanks. Paul Donahue do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380007#380007 ________________________________ Message 56 ____________________________________ Time: 06:59:29 PM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lessons Learned Kevin, I have read your assessment report and it appears you have done a great deal of thinking it through objectively. I appreciate your candor and willingness to share the information as it provides much for us all to think about in designing and maintaining our fuel systems as the key is protecting it from water contamination all the time. Thanks again, I am really glad you're doing well and sorry we had to learn about the fuel issue through your misfortune and expense of FBG. Take care John Do not archive ________________________________ Message 57 ____________________________________ Time: 07:22:20 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: made first saw dust pile From: helspersew@aol.com He already knows.....black and yellow. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN do not archive -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Dotson Sent: Fri, Aug 3, 2012 7:44 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: made first saw dust pile et> Perfect Paul. Do a little bit every day and in a little while you will be t rying to figure out what color the paint the N number! -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 First flight June 16,2012 Started building July, 2009 21" wheels Lycoming O-235 C2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380003#380003 ________________________________ Message 58 ____________________________________ Time: 07:43:50 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!! From: "Don Emch" Awesome Douwe! Looks great! I like the green trim you added. Goes really well with the base color. Very nice! Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380012#380012 ________________________________ Message 59 ____________________________________ Time: 08:15:11 PM PST US From: Ryan Mueller Subject: Pietenpol-List: The final hours of Operation Axel Good evening ladies and gents, Just wanted to drop a quick note and announce the impending official close of Operation Axel at midnight, August 4! In one week this most excellent community of Pietenpol family and friends have contributed more than $2,000 to help Kevin and Shelley offset the cost of the unfortunate events that transpired after Brodhead. In addition to the monetary goodwill and contributions, Jim Markle has been taking down a list of parts and supplies that are being made available to help FBG (and her family) return to the skies once again. Truly an awesome thing! So, we are open to receive contributions for one more day.if you have contributed, thank you so very much for your generosity. In this economy (and especially around Brodhead/Oshkosh time) it is certainly not easy to scrape together the funds. If you still wish to contribute and have not, I welcome the paperwork! :) Thank you all again, and have a safe and happy weekend, Ryan ________________________________ Message 60 ____________________________________ Time: 08:59:30 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Meet "RE-PIET" NX799B!! From: "Billy McCaskill" Douwe, this is one of the most beautiful and aesthetically pleasing Piets I've ever seen! You will certainly be the center of attention when it makes its arrival at Brodhead. You should be VERY proud of the airplane that you have built. do not archive -------- Billy McCaskill Baker, LA tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380017#380017 ________________________________ Message 61 ____________________________________ Time: 09:12:12 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuel tank shut off valve From: "Billy McCaskill" But if you do decide to operate the Piet in saltwater, be sure to have plenty ping pong balls and milk jugs stuffed inside the airplane for when the galvanic corrosion compromises the fuel system and seizes the engine. ;) definitely do not archive -------- Billy McCaskill Baker, LA tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380019#380019 ________________________________ Message 62 ____________________________________ Time: 10:35:14 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: made first saw dust pile From: "Mark Roberts" Woo hoo! It gets gooder and gooder the more you build. Congrats on the first saw dust and post pictures! 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