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1. 06:18 AM - Re: RE-PIET (johnwoods@westnet.com.au)
2. 07:13 AM - Pilot's bill of rights (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB)
3. 08:40 AM - rudder and elevator hinge decision (nightmare)
4. 09:28 AM - Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision (helspersew@aol.com)
5. 10:01 AM - Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision (nightmare)
6. 10:23 AM - Re: Progress Update (V Groah)
7. 11:09 AM - Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision (Mark Roberts)
8. 11:28 AM - Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision (dgaldrich)
9. 11:35 AM - Message from the Mayor (Amsafetyc)
10. 11:41 AM - Re: Message from the Mayor wrong address (Amsafetyc)
11. 11:43 AM - Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision (Jack Phillips)
12. 11:58 AM - Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision (nightmare)
13. 12:16 PM - Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision (Mark Roberts)
14. 12:23 PM - Re: Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision (Jack Phillips)
15. 12:35 PM - Re: Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision (Jack Phillips)
16. 12:35 PM - Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision (nightmare)
17. 01:21 PM - Re: Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision (Peter W Johnson)
18. 02:15 PM - Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision (Michael Perez)
19. 02:31 PM - "RE-PIET" cockpit shots as requested (Douwe Blumberg)
20. 02:57 PM - Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision (nightmare)
21. 02:58 PM - Re: "RE-PIET" cockpit shots as requested (Ben Charvet)
22. 03:42 PM - Re: Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision (Jack Phillips)
23. 04:43 PM - Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision (Mark Roberts)
24. 06:15 PM - Drag/Anti-drag wing cables (tdudley@umn.edu)
25. 06:31 PM - Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision (Jim Markle)
26. 06:54 PM - Re: Drag/Anti-drag wing cables (Ben Charvet)
27. 07:05 PM - Re: Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision (Ben Charvet)
28. 07:31 PM - Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision (Mark Roberts)
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Hi Douwe,
You Sir have produced a master piece. A work of art. Congratulations.
I wish I was in the US to attend Brodhead to see this angelic Pietenpol fly
, together with all the other fantastic examples of this historic aircraft
and all the colourful characters who built and fly these beauties.
One day for sure.
Douwe, Do you have a TOW for RE-PIET?
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Best regards,
John Woods
Perth Western Australia
----- "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.net> wrote:
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THANK YOU ALL!!
For your kind and encouraging words. I=99m truly not into =9Cku
dos=9D, but it is nice to put that final finishing touch on the proje
ct, stand back and then be able to share it with a bunch of guys (and gal??
) who truly appreciate the work and love that went into it.
To answer a few questions. I=99ll try to get some cockpit shots today
. And Mike, I love the look of the engine without the eyebrows and my engin
e guy said I wouldn=99t need them and referred me to the old Rose Par
akeet which didn=99t use them and had no problems. The brit Piet, GHO
AL doesn=99t use them either and has no problems, though their weathe
r is much cooler. So we decided to add a temp CHT gauge on a back cylinder
and just monitor temps. We=99re feeling that enough air should enter
the grill that it will form some pressure and shoot out around the cylinder
bases.
If the temps are higher than comfortable, my winter project will be to fabr
icate cooling eyebrows.
Douwe
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| Subject: | Pilot's bill of rights |
FYI excuse the press release. forwarded from the Beechlist.
While most Piet flyers don't tangle with the FAA as much as Bonanza drivers, this
is still good news for all. It gives some needed protections. While most FAA
employees are good and do their jobs, some have gone overboard and then gotten
the bureaucracy to dig in it's heels. This should help.
Blue Skies,
Steve Dortch
From: Clay, Julia (Inhofe)
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: CONTACT:
Jared Young
August 3, 2012
Donelle Harder
INHOFES PILOTS BILL OF RIGHTS
BECOMES LAW
WASHINGTON, D.C. U.S. Sen. Jim Inhofe (R-Okla.), a member of the Senate General
Aviation Caucus and certified flight instructor with more than 10,000 flight
hours, today announced that his Pilot's Bill of Rights (S.1335) has been officially
signed into law. Inhofe has worked to pass the legislation for the past
year. In the Senate where the bill enjoyed co-sponsorship by 65 other Senators,
the measure passed by unanimous consent in June. The House passed the measure
by a voice vote.
Last October, the bill garnered the endorsement of pilot and actor Harrison Ford.
The next month, the bill crossed an important milestone gaining its 60thco-sponsor
in the Senate.
This is a great day for General Aviation, and this would not have happened without
the support of so many pilots all across this country, said Inhofe. With
their help and the work of so many of my colleagues in the House and Senate, we
were able to overcome opposition to this law from the Obama administration with
a veto proof majority.
Inhofe continued, Just last week at Oshkosh, we celebrated the bill getting through
Congress. Now, with the Presidents signature, it is officially the law of
the land. I appreciate the help of great organizations like AOPA and EAA.
Over the course of my years in Congress, I have helped an untold number of pilots
facing the pressure of dealing with the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA).
This bill remedies many of the most serious deficiencies in the relationship
between general aviation and the FAA, and ensures that pilots are, like everyone
else, treated in a fair and equitable manner by the justice system.
DETAILS ABOUT THE PILOT'S BILL OF RIGHTS
Makes FAA Enforcement Proceedings and NTSB Review Fair for Pilots
a.. Requires NTSB review of FAA enforcement actions to conform, to the extent
practicable, with the Federal Rules of Evidence and Federal Rules of Civil Procedure.
b.. Requires the FAA to provide timely notice to a pilot who is the subject of
an investigation, and that any response by the pilot can be used as evidence
against him.
c.. Requires that in an FAA enforcement action against a pilot, the FAA must
grant the pilot all relevant evidence 30 days prior to a decision to proceed with
an enforcement action. This is currently not done and often leaves the pilot
grossly uninformed of his violation and recourse.
d.. Makes contractor-run flight service station and contract tower communications
available to airmen. Currently, if a request is made for flight service station
information under FOIA, it is denied to the requestor because the contractor
is not the government, per se. However, the contractor is performing an
inherently governmental function and this information should be available to pilots
who need it to defend themselves in an enforcement proceeding.
e.. Removes the special statutory deference as it relates to National Transportation
Safety Board reviews of FAA actions. Too often the NTSB rubber stamps
a decision of the FAA, giving wide latitude to the FAA and making the appeals
process meaningless. This returns NTSBs deference to the FAA to general administrative
law principles, just like every other government agency.
f.. Allows for Federal district court review of appeals from the NTSB, at the
election of the appellant. This is important because a review by the Federal
district court is de novo, meaning the pilot gets a new trial with the ability
to introduce evidence and a new review of the facts.
NOTAM Improvement Program
a.. Requires that the FAA undertake a NOTAM Improvement Program, requiring simplification
and archival of NOTAMs in a central location. The process by which
Notices to Airmen are provided by the FAA has long needed revision. This will
ensure that the most relevant information reaches the pilot. Currently, FAA
makes pilots responsible for knowledge of pre-flight conditions. Non-profit general
aviation groups will make up an advisory panel.
Medical Certification Review
a.. The FAAs medical certification process has long been known to present a multitude
of problems for pilots seeking an airman certificate. The bill requires
a GAO review of the FAAs medical certification process and forms, with the
goal of demonstrating how the FAA can provide greater clarity in the questions
and reduce the instances of misinterpretation that have, in the past, lead to
allegations of intentional falsification against pilots. Non-profit general aviation
groups will make up an advisory panel, which will give advice to the FAA
on how the medical certification process can be improved. The FAA is required
to take appropriate action on the GAO recommendations within one year.
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| Subject: | rudder and elevator hinge decision |
would love some input as to what most people are using for elevator and rudder
hinges and why. im going with piano hinge for ailerons , and was probably going
with plans built hinges for the tail unless i get some good input on alternatives.
thanks
Paul Donahue
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| Subject: | Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision |
Did the plans tail hinges. During locating and attachment, slide them onto
a steel rod to insure in-line location to insure smooth action without bind
ing. I did not do this and regretted it. Also, Delay the attachment of the
lowest rudder hinge on the (fuselage) until you are sure of the final verti
cal stab mount location (fabric thickness issues).
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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From: nightmare <pauldonahuepilot@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:40 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: rudder and elevator hinge decision
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would love some input as to what most people are using for elevator and rud
der
hinges and why. im going with piano hinge for ailerons , and was probably g
oing
with plans built hinges for the tail unless i get some good input on
alternatives. thanks
Paul Donahue
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| Subject: | Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision |
two great tips that im sure i would have missed. so as not to go off topic, going
to send you a message about a couple of detail questions of the infamous black
and yellow.
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My shop is 30 X 32. We shuffled the shop a couple of times while building t
he plane. When the wings went on we had the plane orientated so the wings
went from corner to corner. The plane used up the shop for four years. Th
anks. Vic
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Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Progress Update
Thank you Vic. It is funny you mention the shop...I need to move the plan
e 90 degrees=2C point is more east as opposed to the current north)=2C so
I will have room to mount the engine mount and engine=2C as well as the tai
l pieces. To do so=2C I need to move around everything else in the shop. I
thought while doing that=2C I might as well give the shop a "good cleaning.
" If I did not clean up as much=2C I may have the plane done...
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision |
Does anyone know if the cast aluminum hinges are still available somewhere? I've
seen them but don't remember where to get them...
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| Subject: | Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision |
I believe Vi Kepler still sells them. Don Larson used sell them but last I heard,
he had run out of stock. I got mine from VI but no longer have his address.
Probably in the archives somewhere.
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| Subject: | Message from the Mayor |
The mayor ( Luca )said Aeden was his best pal at Brodhead. He wanted you and he
to know that. The mayor is looking forward to seeing him again next year!
John
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| Subject: | Re: Message from the Mayor wrong address |
Sorry hit the wrong address
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| Subject: | rudder and elevator hinge decision |
I used piano hinges for the ailerons and AN42 eyebolts for the elevators and
rudder.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nightmare
Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2012 11:40 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: rudder and elevator hinge decision
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would love some input as to what most people are using for elevator and
rudder hinges and why. im going with piano hinge for ailerons , and was
probably going with plans built hinges for the tail unless i get some good
input on alternatives. thanks
Paul Donahue
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| Subject: | Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision |
eyebolts, great idea. do you mount two on oneside (fuselage/tail), and one on the
other, then use a clevis pin?
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| Subject: | Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision |
Hey Jack, great idea. So you have a close up picture of that set up somewhere?
That sounds like a good idea to copy :D
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| Subject: | Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision |
I just did one on one side, and one on the other, with a clevis pin.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nightmare
Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2012 2:58 PM
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eyebolts, great idea. do you mount two on oneside (fuselage/tail), and one
on the other, then use a clevis pin?
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| Subject: | Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision |
Ask and ye shall receive. Fortunately, I'm now living in the hangar with my
Pietenpol so it is pretty easy to get pictures.
Here is a photo showing the arrangement for the elevator hinges:
And this shows the rudder hinges:
The eyebolts need to be staked or epoxied in place so they can't rotate and
bind the clevis pins, and as Dan helsper said, it helps to align all the
hinges using a steel rod so everything can move smoothly.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts
Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2012 3:16 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision
Hey Jack, great idea. So you have a close up picture of that set up
somewhere? That sounds like a good idea to copy :D
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| Subject: | Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision |
great, boy i love this forum!
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| Subject: | Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision |
Jack/Paul,
I used three bolts. See pic
(http://www.cpc-world.com/images/IMG_0449_JPG.jpg).
With the pin in place they cannot turn.
Cheers
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
http://www.cpc-world.com
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Monday, 6 August 2012 5:35 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision
Ask and ye shall receive. Fortunately, I'm now living in the hangar with my
Pietenpol so it is pretty easy to get pictures.
Here is a photo showing the arrangement for the elevator hinges:
And this shows the rudder hinges:
The eyebolts need to be staked or epoxied in place so they can't rotate and
bind the clevis pins, and as Dan helsper said, it helps to align all the
hinges using a steel rod so everything can move smoothly.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts
Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2012 3:16 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision
Hey Jack, great idea. So you have a close up picture of that set up
somewhere? That sounds like a good idea to copy :D
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| Subject: | Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision |
I machined out areas to insert the piano hinge. The smallest end mill I had at
the time was 1/8", so when inserting the hings, I filled in the gap with a fat
Popsicle stick. The entire assembly is epoxied in place. Next, I drilled through
the wood and hinge, then used countersunk screws and T nuts.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
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| Subject: | "RE-PIET" cockpit shots as requested |
Here are some cockpit shots as requested.
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| Subject: | Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision |
all great ideas. think im going with the simplicity of function and build of the
eyebolt/clevis combo. thanks guys
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| Subject: | Re: "RE-PIET" cockpit shots as requested |
I missed Brodhead this year, but sure am looking forward to next year!
Ben Charvet
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| Subject: | Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision |
I used 3 per side as well. The picture doesn't show the inboard hinge
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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Johnson
Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2012 4:21 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision
Jack/Paul,
I used three bolts. See pic
(http://www.cpc-world.com/images/IMG_0449_JPG.jpg).
With the pin in place they cannot turn.
Cheers
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
http://www.cpc-world.com
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Monday, 6 August 2012 5:35 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision
Ask and ye shall receive. Fortunately, I'm now living in the hangar with my
Pietenpol so it is pretty easy to get pictures.
Here is a photo showing the arrangement for the elevator hinges:
And this shows the rudder hinges:
The eyebolts need to be staked or epoxied in place so they can't rotate and
bind the clevis pins, and as Dan helsper said, it helps to align all the
hinges using a steel rod so everything can move smoothly.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2012 3:16 PM
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Hey Jack, great idea. So you have a close up picture of that set up
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| Subject: | Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision |
Thanks guys.
Jack, a picture's worth a thousand words... I thought you used 3 per hinge: 2 on
one side and one that slid In between them. I see you can use just 2 per hinge.
Thanks for taking the effort to photograph them!
Michael, I'm tempted to try your idea as well... I'd like to minimize the gap as
much as possible, but keeping it light is the most important thing.
Thanks guys!
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| Subject: | Drag/Anti-drag wing cables |
I am fitting my drag/anti-drag cables and have found that each one touches a single
rib spruce spacer along the way. I guess I expected that to some degree.
Upon tensioning them, do I let them touch the spacer and use something to protect
the wood (like the cable on the horizontal stabilizer) or is it sound/appropriate
to Dremel away enough wood at the point they touch and reinforce the
spacer?
I'd appreciate hearing from anyone who has run into this problem and "solved" it.
Thanks,
Tom
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| Subject: | Re: Drag/Anti-drag wing cables |
The best way to do it is to move your ribs from side to side to avoid
any contact. However I glued my ribs in place as indicated on the plans
prior to fitting the drag/antidrag wires and ended up with several
contacts as you described. What I did was scab in a doubler on affected
diagonals and then doing as you described to create the clearance. I
imagine these wires can vibrate some in flight, so you wouldn't want
any contact. You don't want the possibility of chafing where the wires
cross each other either, so insulate them from each other too.
Ben Charvet
Titusville, Fl
NX866BC
On 8/5/2012 9:15 PM, tdudley@umn.edu wrote:
>
> I am fitting my drag/anti-drag cables and have found that each one touches a
single rib spruce spacer along the way. I guess I expected that to some degree.
Upon tensioning them, do I let them touch the spacer and use something to
protect the wood (like the cable on the horizontal stabilizer) or is it sound/appropriate
to Dremel away enough wood at the point they touch and reinforce the
spacer?
>
> I'd appreciate hearing from anyone who has run into this problem and "solved"
it.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tom
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380136#380136
>
>
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Ben Charvet, PharmD
Staff Pharmacist
Parrish Medical center
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| Subject: | Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision |
The eyebolt hinge is described in the Tony Bingelis books, but at the
prices of AN eyebolts I believe the Vi Kapler hinges would be cheaper.
I bought mine from him about 5 years ago. He isn't on the Matronics
list, but I found his phone number in the archives: |*Vitalis Kapler
507-288-3322.
I haven't been to Brodhead in a few years, but is he still coming?
Ben Charvet
Titusville, Fl
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| Subject: | Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision |
Thanks Ben! I would like to contact him regarding the hinges. I think that would
be the easiest way to go for me since I did look up the price of the eye Bolts
and at $6.50 a piece (x2 per hinge) it seems much more expensive than the aluminum
castings.
Mark
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