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1. 01:08 AM - Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision (carson)
2. 04:11 AM - Re: Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision (Jack)
3. 04:39 AM - what's a TOW? (Douwe Blumberg)
4. 06:47 AM - Re: what's a TOW? (johnwoods@westnet.com.au)
5. 07:11 AM - a little test (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
6. 09:00 AM - Re: Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision (Michael Perez)
7. 09:35 AM - Re: a little test (Jerry Dotson)
8. 10:18 AM - Re: a little test (steve@wotelectronics.com)
9. 10:30 AM - Re: Re: Lessons Learned (steve@wotelectronics.com)
10. 10:44 AM - Finish tapes (bender)
11. 10:46 AM - Re: Drag/Anti-drag wing cables (John Francis)
12. 10:53 AM - Re: Re: Drag/Anti-drag wing cables (Michael Perez)
13. 10:55 AM - Re: Finish tapes (John Francis)
14. 12:49 PM - Re: Re: Lessons Learned (helspersew@aol.com)
15. 02:03 PM - Re: Re: Lessons Learned (John Kuhfahl)
16. 02:47 PM - Re: Re: Drag/Anti-drag wing cables (gboothe5@comcast.net)
17. 03:29 PM - Aileron Piano Hinge (John Francis)
18. 03:58 PM - Re: Aileron Piano Hinge (Jack Phillips)
19. 04:00 PM - aileron piano hinge placement (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
20. 04:14 PM - Re: Aileron Piano Hinge (John Francis)
21. 04:37 PM - Re: Re: Aileron Piano Hinge (gboothe5@comcast.net)
22. 05:18 PM - Re: Aileron Piano Hinge (John Francis)
23. 05:35 PM - Re: Re: Lessons Learned (skipgadd@earthlink.net)
24. 05:38 PM - Re: Re: Aileron Piano Hinge (gboothe5@comcast.net)
25. 05:58 PM - Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision (curtdm(at)gmail.com)
26. 06:09 PM - Re: Re: Aileron Piano Hinge (C N Campbell)
27. 07:01 PM - Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision (nightmare)
28. 09:59 PM - Re: Re: Drag/Anti-drag wing cables same dilema (jorge lizarraga)
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| Subject: | Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision |
I used the hinges from Vi
I do have his number somewhere but it should be in the archives somewhere as someone
on here gave it to me,If you can't find it I will dig it out
Gee I miss building my Piet
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| Subject: | Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision |
He was there this year. Slowing down quite a bit, still very sharp mind.
Jack Textor
DSM
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Charvet
Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2012 9:06 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision
The eyebolt hinge is described in the Tony Bingelis books, but at the prices
of AN eyebolts I believe the Vi Kapler hinges would be cheaper. I bought
mine from him about 5 years ago. He isn't on the Matronics list, but I
found his phone number in the archives: Vitalis Kapler 507-288-3322.
I haven't been to Brodhead in a few years, but is he still coming?
Ben Charvet
Titusville, Fl
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G'day John,
What is a TOW?
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: what's a TOW? |
Hi Douwe,
TOW = Take Off Weight
I should have said that I was interested in Re-PIET's weight and balance.
Best regards,
John Woods
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G=99day John,
What is a TOW?
Douwe
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Out of curiosity I drained some 100LL from my plane over the weekend into m
y plastic fuel tester
and added a little water. The water immediately went to the bottom and wa
s incredibly easy to differentiate
from the fuel. I too have never seen water in my fuel (thankfully) but a
fter all these years of flying finally
took time to see what it actually looks like. I didn't do the test with
auto fuel since I don't have any at the
hangar but that would be good to see as well.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision |
Striving for all the weight savings you can get is a great idea. Curious my
self, I took some pictures of the components that make up my hinges.- Kee
p in mind the hinge shown is larger than the rudder/elevator hinges.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: a little test |
I have played with 10% ethanol gas a good bit. Water will mix with ethanol gas
until the ethanol can no longer absorb water. 4 drops of water in 1/2 cup of 10%
ethanol/90%gasoline, swirl it around and the water is gone in suspension. I
am burning 10% ethanol gas in my Piet with great results. I can find no performance
difference at all between 100LL and ethanol gas. I am not promoting its
use. Just saying. Keeping the tank full will help with water condensate from
humid air like we have in Florida. Humidity was 82% this morning at 10am.
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
First flight June 16,2012
Started building July, 2009
21" wheels
Lycoming O-235 C2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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| Subject: | Re: a little test |
I have done the water test before with auto fuel, using fuel that
did not have ethanol and fuel that did have ethanol, just so I'd know
what to expect if I do get fuel with ethanol. In that case you shake the
water/fuel sample to mix both. In the non-ethanol sample the water
separates pretty quick. In the ethanol sample the water level appears to
decrease because some of the water has been absorbed into the fuel.
Pretty interesting. It also lets you know exactly how water looks in
fuel.
Steve
On 2012-08-06 09:11, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage
Partners, LLC] wrote:
> Out of curiosity I drained some 100LL from my
plane over the weekend into my plastic fuel tester
>
> and added a
little water. The water immediately went to the bottom and was
incredibly easy to differentiate
>
> from the fuel. I too have never
seen water in my fuel (thankfully) but after all these years of flying
finally
>
> took time to see what it actually looks like. I didn't do
the test with auto fuel since I don't have any at the
>
> hangar but
that would be good to see as well.
>
> Mike C.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Lessons Learned |
I hope you guys will tolerate the thoughts of an engineer/owner but
non-builder on fuel tank construction. Generally with aircraft I
believe you want to completely remove the human factor from any aircraft
system if at all possible. I.E.,. make all systems passively safe or
inherently safe, rather than requiring some action by the operator to
make them safe. This has generally be shown to reduce problems.
For fuel tanks & eliminating water issues, to me this means the only
way to design a fuel tank is so that the sump will always be the lowest
point in any typical attitude (i.e., in flight and on the ground). If
fuel tank design dictates that you must pick up the tail and wiggle the
plane, eventually someone is going to tire of doing that, or not do it
long enough, or high enough for the water to get to the sump and then
you have a problem. Designing the tank so that all bottom surfaces have
a healthy slope towards the sump is a much better option in my
opinion...i.e., take the human operator factor out of the situation,
i.e., make it passively or inherently safe, not safe only when a certain
action is taken. It would also be difficult to determine exactly how
much "lifting & shaking" is necessary to get all water to the sump.
Just my .02. Sorry for the long winded post, I just hate to see any
Piet or operator/passenger get damaged. If the sump is at the front of
the tank it can be lowered without decreasing fuel volume or leg room
for passengers.
Steve Ruse
Norman, OK
On 2012-08-03 15:00, dgaldrich wrote:
> <dgaldrich@embarqmail.com>
>
> Thanks for the summary and more importantly, the lessons learned.
> I'm about to start tank construction and will definitely put some
> additional thought into sump design as well as quick drains.
>
> I know that you and Shelley (rightly) don't want to post pictures of
> FBG. At some point in the future, once things settle down and you
> get
> a chance to look at her with some objectivity, you might look at what
> could be improved from a safety/survivability and consider sharing
> that knowledge.
>
> Best wishes on a speedy recovery.
>
> Dave and Sue Aldrich
>
> do not archive
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379975#379975
>
>
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I worked all weekend on finish taping my wing.. got the last couple of stitches
done saturday morning.
I'm use the ekobond and i like it a lot... its easy to work with and no smells
or MEK.. you may notice its not blue.. i got it in the linen color.. mostly because
i just didn't like the blue.
taping took longer than i thought ... and if you guys could have seen my flip the
wing yesterday by myself.....wow... i don't recommend it.
jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Drag/Anti-drag wing cables |
Tom,
I believe most do what Ben did to take care of the problem. I was lucky enough
to have read about this potential problem in the archives and avoid it by shifting
my ribs a little to clear the wires. Today I had to cut another piece loose
as it was interfering with an aileron piece. I wonder if anyone has built
a pietenpol without stepping back and cutting or pulling something apart?
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| Subject: | Re: Drag/Anti-drag wing cables |
"I wonder if anyone has built a pietenpol without stepping back and cutting
or pulling something apart?"
-
I do not fall in this category.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Finish tapes |
Jeff,
I am so impressed when I see pictures of people on this list covering airplane
parts for the first time. It always looks to me like a professional did it.
I look forward to that part of the project.
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| Subject: | Re: Lessons Learned |
Steve,
I agree, and after reading Douwe's post about running his fuel lines down-h
ill (even in the three-point attitude) I regret not doing that. But my excu
se is that I didn't know better. Let this be a notice to all present builde
rs out there.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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From: steve <steve@wotelectronics.com>
Sent: Mon, Aug 6, 2012 12:30 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Lessons Learned
I hope you guys will tolerate the thoughts of an engineer/owner but
non-builder on fuel tank construction. Generally with aircraft I
believe you want to completely remove the human factor from any aircraft
system if at all possible. I.E.,. make all systems passively safe or
inherently safe, rather than requiring some action by the operator to
make them safe. This has generally be shown to reduce problems.
For fuel tanks & eliminating water issues, to me this means the only
way to design a fuel tank is so that the sump will always be the lowest
point in any typical attitude (i.e., in flight and on the ground). If
fuel tank design dictates that you must pick up the tail and wiggle the
plane, eventually someone is going to tire of doing that, or not do it
long enough, or high enough for the water to get to the sump and then
you have a problem. Designing the tank so that all bottom surfaces have
a healthy slope towards the sump is a much better option in my
opinion...i.e., take the human operator factor out of the situation,
i.e., make it passively or inherently safe, not safe only when a certain
action is taken. It would also be difficult to determine exactly how
much "lifting & shaking" is necessary to get all water to the sump.
Just my .02. Sorry for the long winded post, I just hate to see any
Piet or operator/passenger get damaged. If the sump is at the front of
the tank it can be lowered without decreasing fuel volume or leg room
for passengers.
Steve Ruse
Norman, OK
On 2012-08-03 15:00, dgaldrich wrote:
> <dgaldrich@embarqmail.com>
>
> Thanks for the summary and more importantly, the lessons learned.
> I'm about to start tank construction and will definitely put some
> additional thought into sump design as well as quick drains.
>
> I know that you and Shelley (rightly) don't want to post pictures of
> FBG. At some point in the future, once things settle down and you
> get
> a chance to look at her with some objectivity, you might look at what
> could be improved from a safety/survivability and consider sharing
> that knowledge.
>
> Best wishes on a speedy recovery.
>
> Dave and Sue Aldrich
>
> do not archive
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379975#379975
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Lessons Learned |
I have a stock J3 fuselage tank in my Piet--the engineers put the outlet in
the center
of the tank. Why I don't know...
John
On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 2:48 PM, <helspersew@aol.com> wrote:
> Steve,
>
> I agree, and after reading Douwe's post about running his fuel lines
> down-hill (even in the three-point attitude) I regret not doing that. But
> my excuse is that I didn't know better. Let this be a notice to all present
> builders out there.
>
> Dan Helsper
> Puryear, TN
> -----Original Message-----
> From: steve <steve@wotelectronics.com>
> To: pietenpol-list <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Mon, Aug 6, 2012 12:30 pm
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Lessons Learned
>
>
> I hope you guys will tolerate the thoughts of an engineer/owner but
> non-builder on fuel tank construction. Generally with aircraft I
> believe you want to completely remove the human factor from any aircraft
> system if at all possible. I.E.,. make all systems passively safe or
> inherently safe, rather than requiring some action by the operator to
> make them safe. This has generally be shown to reduce problems.
>
> For fuel tanks & eliminating water issues, to me this means the only
> way to design a fuel tank is so that the sump will always be the lowest
> point in any typical attitude (i.e., in flight and on the ground). If
> fuel tank design dictates that you must pick up the tail and wiggle the
> plane, eventually someone is going to tire of doing that, or not do it
> long enough, or high enough for the water to get to the sump and then
> you have a problem. Designing the tank so that all bottom surfaces have
> a healthy slope towards the sump is a much better option in my
> opinion...i.e., take the human operator factor out of the situation,
> i.e., make it passively or inherently safe, not safe only when a certain
> action is taken. It would also be difficult to determine exactly how
> much "lifting & shaking" is necessary to get all water to the sump.
>
> Just my .02. Sorry for the long winded post, I just hate to see any
> Piet or operator/passenger get damaged. If the sump is at the front of
> the tank it can be lowered without decreasing fuel volume or leg room
> for passengers.
>
> Steve Ruse
> Norman, OK
>
>
> On 2012-08-03 15:00, dgaldrich wrote:
> > <dgaldrich@embarqmail.com>
> >
> > Thanks for the summary and more importantly, the lessons learned.
> > I'm about to start tank construction and will definitely put some
> > additional thought into sump design as well as quick drains.
> >
> > I know that you and Shelley (rightly) don't want to post pictures of
> > FBG. At some point in the future, once things settle down and you
> > get
> > a chance to look at her with some objectivity, you might look at what
> > could be improved from a safety/survivability and consider sharing
> > that knowledge.
> >
> > Best wishes on a speedy recovery.
> >
> > Dave and Sue Aldrich
> >
> > do not archive
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379975#379975
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Re: Drag/Anti-drag wing cables |
"...I wonder if anyone has built a Pietenpol without stepping back and cutting
or pulling something apart?..."
If they said they did, John, they're a liar!
Nice to see you at Brodhead!
Gary from Cool
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Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
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Sent: Aug 6, 2012 10:45 AM
Tom,
I believe most do what Ben did to take care of the problem. I was lucky enough
to have read about this potential problem in the archives and avoid it by shifting
my ribs a little to clear the wires. Today I had to cut another piece loose
as it was interfering with an aileron piece. I wonder if anyone has built
a pietenpol without stepping back and cutting or pulling something apart?
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| Subject: | Aileron Piano Hinge |
I'm just a little confused here as I am veering from the plans by using a piano
hinge for the ailerons. Look at the attached photos and tell me if this is where
the hinge is located or is it raised to the top of the cap strip when the
aileron is cut out? Nothing is mounted yet including the cap strip.
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| Subject: | Aileron Piano Hinge |
John, the ailerons are designed to have the hinge line flush with the top of
the wing. I don't see any reason why your location won't work, but it's not
the way the plane was designed.
Here are a couple of photos of mine, since I also used piano hinges:
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Francis
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 6:29 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aileron Piano Hinge
I'm just a little confused here as I am veering from the plans by using a
piano hinge for the ailerons. Look at the attached photos and tell me if
this is where the hinge is located or is it raised to the top of the cap
strip when the aileron is cut out? Nothing is mounted yet including the cap
strip.
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| Subject: | aileron piano hinge placement |
John-- many of us have been flying with aileron piano hinges for many years
with great success.
Mount the top of your hinge flush with the top of your wing. The top of t
he hinge is even with the fabric
of the wing and aileron. You'll seal the gap that way giving you good ail
eron control and won't have to use tapes
or other methods to seal the aileron gap.
Hope this helps,
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Piano Hinge |
Jack, I understand what you are saying but picturing how this all fits together
is what has me confused. I was trying to find a picture of an uncovered hinge
installed. So is my rear aileron spar in the correct position? After cutting
out the aileron the hinge is raised to mount flush with the top surface of
the wing which exposes the top, rear 1/2 inch of the piano hinge?
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Piano Hinge |
John,
Don't forget, you need to add filler strips to the tops of those spars.
Gary from Cool
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From: John Francis
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Piano Hinge
Sent: Aug 6, 2012 4:14 PM
Jack, I understand what you are saying but picturing how this all fits together
is what has me confused. I was trying to find a picture of an uncovered hinge
installed. So is my rear aileron spar in the correct position? After cutting
out the aileron the hinge is raised to mount flush with the top surface of
the wing which exposes the top, rear 1/2 inch of the piano hinge?
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Piano Hinge |
So I add 1/4" by 1/4" filler strip on the tops of both aileron beams? These then
sandwich the top of the piano hinge....correct?
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John Francis
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| Subject: | Re: Lessons Learned |
John,
I have a J3 tank in Felix my GN1. There was an AD for the J3 to add a drain at
the back of the tank, mine had a threaded insert installed there already. I got
a saf-air drain valve with the correct threads and installed it. The AD for
the J3 used a plastic tube that runs out the floor of the fuse, but there is not
room in the Piet front pit to do that, so I have to be carful my drain doesn't
drip and the passengers are briefed not to jam their knee up against the
drain.
Skip
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From: John Kuhfahl
Sent: 8/6/2012 5:04:42 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Lessons Learned
I have a stock J3 fuselage tank in my Piet--the engineers put the outlet in the
center
of the tank. Why I don't know...
John
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Piano Hinge |
Yes.
------Original Message------
From: John Francis
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Piano Hinge
Sent: Aug 6, 2012 5:17 PM
So I add 1/4" by 1/4" filler strip on the tops of both aileron beams? These then
sandwich the top of the piano hinge....correct?
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John Francis
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| Subject: | Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision |
I recently came across Vi's hinges used for another aviation purpose. Holding jetway
doors open. I believe these are stainless.
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Curt Merdan
Flower Mound, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Piano Hinge |
No it doesn't! The rear half of the piano hinge bolts to the aileron. The
knuckle of the hinge is the only thing that shows with the hinge attached to
both the wing and the aileron. C
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Francis" <Mrkringles@msn.com>
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:14 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Piano Hinge
>
> Jack, I understand what you are saying but picturing how this all fits
> together is what has me confused. I was trying to find a picture of an
> uncovered hinge installed. So is my rear aileron spar in the correct
> position? After cutting out the aileron the hinge is raised to mount
> flush with the top surface of the wing which exposes the top, rear 1/2
> inch of the piano hinge?
>
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> John Francis
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| Subject: | Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision |
thats hilarious, is that atl? ill have to bring my screwdriver on my next trip
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Paul Donahue
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| Subject: | Re: Drag/Anti-drag wing cables same dilema |
well- Gary from my self your just right from bigener some pises be pull a
par or disamble,cut or remove make space for another or bether for other ,
all my proyect was in the same whay the perfection dont exist if some one a
roun talkyou these is perfect well is a la;;;;;;;;tanks jorge from hanford
=0A=0A=0AFrom: "gboothe5@comcast.net" <gboothe5@comcast.net>=0ATo: pietenpo
l-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Monday, August 6, 2012 2:46 PM=0ASubject: Re:
Pietenpol-List: Re: Drag/Anti-drag wing cables=0A=0A--> Pietenpol-List mes
sage posted by: gboothe5@comcast.net=0A=0A"...I wonder if anyone has built
a Pietenpol without stepping back and cutting or pulling something apart?..
."=0A=0AIf they said they did, John, they're a liar!=0A=0ANice to see you a
t Brodhead!=0A=0AGary from Cool=0ADo not archive=0A------Original Message--
----=0AFrom: John Francis=0ASender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.c
om=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0AReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.c
om=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Drag/Anti-drag wing cables=0ASent: Aug 6,
rkringles@msn.com>=0A=0ATom,=0A=0AI believe most do what Ben did to take ca
re of the problem.- I was lucky enough to have read about this potential
problem in the archives and avoid it by shifting my ribs a little to clear
the wires.- Today I had to cut another piece loose as it was interfering
with an aileron piece.- I wonder if anyone has built a pietenpol without
stepping back and cutting or pulling something apart?=0A=0ADo not Archive
=0A=0A--------=0AJohn Francis=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A
=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380200#380200=0A=0A=0A=0A
=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ASent on the Sprint=AE Now Network from my BlackBerr
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