---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 08/06/12: 28 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:08 AM - Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision (carson) 2. 04:11 AM - Re: Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision (Jack) 3. 04:39 AM - what's a TOW? (Douwe Blumberg) 4. 06:47 AM - Re: what's a TOW? (johnwoods@westnet.com.au) 5. 07:11 AM - a little test (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]) 6. 09:00 AM - Re: Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision (Michael Perez) 7. 09:35 AM - Re: a little test (Jerry Dotson) 8. 10:18 AM - Re: a little test (steve@wotelectronics.com) 9. 10:30 AM - Re: Re: Lessons Learned (steve@wotelectronics.com) 10. 10:44 AM - Finish tapes (bender) 11. 10:46 AM - Re: Drag/Anti-drag wing cables (John Francis) 12. 10:53 AM - Re: Re: Drag/Anti-drag wing cables (Michael Perez) 13. 10:55 AM - Re: Finish tapes (John Francis) 14. 12:49 PM - Re: Re: Lessons Learned (helspersew@aol.com) 15. 02:03 PM - Re: Re: Lessons Learned (John Kuhfahl) 16. 02:47 PM - Re: Re: Drag/Anti-drag wing cables (gboothe5@comcast.net) 17. 03:29 PM - Aileron Piano Hinge (John Francis) 18. 03:58 PM - Re: Aileron Piano Hinge (Jack Phillips) 19. 04:00 PM - aileron piano hinge placement (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]) 20. 04:14 PM - Re: Aileron Piano Hinge (John Francis) 21. 04:37 PM - Re: Re: Aileron Piano Hinge (gboothe5@comcast.net) 22. 05:18 PM - Re: Aileron Piano Hinge (John Francis) 23. 05:35 PM - Re: Re: Lessons Learned (skipgadd@earthlink.net) 24. 05:38 PM - Re: Re: Aileron Piano Hinge (gboothe5@comcast.net) 25. 05:58 PM - Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision (curtdm(at)gmail.com) 26. 06:09 PM - Re: Re: Aileron Piano Hinge (C N Campbell) 27. 07:01 PM - Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision (nightmare) 28. 09:59 PM - Re: Re: Drag/Anti-drag wing cables same dilema (jorge lizarraga) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:08:40 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision From: "carson" I used the hinges from Vi I do have his number somewhere but it should be in the archives somewhere as someone on here gave it to me,If you can't find it I will dig it out Gee I miss building my Piet Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380156#380156 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/peitenpol_076_498.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/peitenpol_066_914.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/peitenpol_062_136.jpg ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:11:56 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision He was there this year. Slowing down quite a bit, still very sharp mind. Jack Textor DSM NX1929T do not archive _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Charvet Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2012 9:06 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision The eyebolt hinge is described in the Tony Bingelis books, but at the prices of AN eyebolts I believe the Vi Kapler hinges would be cheaper. I bought mine from him about 5 years ago. He isn't on the Matronics list, but I found his phone number in the archives: Vitalis Kapler 507-288-3322. I haven't been to Brodhead in a few years, but is he still coming? Ben Charvet Titusville, Fl ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:39:45 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: what's a TOW? G'day John, What is a TOW? Douwe Do not archive ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:47:13 AM PST US From: johnwoods@westnet.com.au Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: what's a TOW? Hi Douwe, TOW = Take Off Weight I should have said that I was interested in Re-PIET's weight and balance. Best regards, John Woods do not archive ----- "Douwe Blumberg" wrote: > > G=99day John, What is a TOW? Douwe =============== === > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:11:26 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: a little test Out of curiosity I drained some 100LL from my plane over the weekend into m y plastic fuel tester and added a little water. The water immediately went to the bottom and wa s incredibly easy to differentiate from the fuel. I too have never seen water in my fuel (thankfully) but a fter all these years of flying finally took time to see what it actually looks like. I didn't do the test with auto fuel since I don't have any at the hangar but that would be good to see as well. Mike C. do not archive ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:00:08 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision Striving for all the weight savings you can get is a great idea. Curious my self, I took some pictures of the components that make up my hinges.- Kee p in mind the hinge shown is larger than the rudder/elevator hinges. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:35:23 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: a little test From: "Jerry Dotson" I have played with 10% ethanol gas a good bit. Water will mix with ethanol gas until the ethanol can no longer absorb water. 4 drops of water in 1/2 cup of 10% ethanol/90%gasoline, swirl it around and the water is gone in suspension. I am burning 10% ethanol gas in my Piet with great results. I can find no performance difference at all between 100LL and ethanol gas. I am not promoting its use. Just saying. Keeping the tank full will help with water condensate from humid air like we have in Florida. Humidity was 82% this morning at 10am. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 First flight June 16,2012 Started building July, 2009 21" wheels Lycoming O-235 C2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380196#380196 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:18:51 AM PST US From: steve@wotelectronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: a little test I have done the water test before with auto fuel, using fuel that did not have ethanol and fuel that did have ethanol, just so I'd know what to expect if I do get fuel with ethanol. In that case you shake the water/fuel sample to mix both. In the non-ethanol sample the water separates pretty quick. In the ethanol sample the water level appears to decrease because some of the water has been absorbed into the fuel. Pretty interesting. It also lets you know exactly how water looks in fuel. Steve On 2012-08-06 09:11, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] wrote: > Out of curiosity I drained some 100LL from my plane over the weekend into my plastic fuel tester > > and added a little water. The water immediately went to the bottom and was incredibly easy to differentiate > > from the fuel. I too have never seen water in my fuel (thankfully) but after all these years of flying finally > > took time to see what it actually looks like. I didn't do the test with auto fuel since I don't have any at the > > hangar but that would be good to see as well. > > Mike C. > > do not archive > HTTP://WWW.MATRONICS.COM/CONTRIBUTION ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:30:02 AM PST US From: steve@wotelectronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Lessons Learned I hope you guys will tolerate the thoughts of an engineer/owner but non-builder on fuel tank construction. Generally with aircraft I believe you want to completely remove the human factor from any aircraft system if at all possible. I.E.,. make all systems passively safe or inherently safe, rather than requiring some action by the operator to make them safe. This has generally be shown to reduce problems. For fuel tanks & eliminating water issues, to me this means the only way to design a fuel tank is so that the sump will always be the lowest point in any typical attitude (i.e., in flight and on the ground). If fuel tank design dictates that you must pick up the tail and wiggle the plane, eventually someone is going to tire of doing that, or not do it long enough, or high enough for the water to get to the sump and then you have a problem. Designing the tank so that all bottom surfaces have a healthy slope towards the sump is a much better option in my opinion...i.e., take the human operator factor out of the situation, i.e., make it passively or inherently safe, not safe only when a certain action is taken. It would also be difficult to determine exactly how much "lifting & shaking" is necessary to get all water to the sump. Just my .02. Sorry for the long winded post, I just hate to see any Piet or operator/passenger get damaged. If the sump is at the front of the tank it can be lowered without decreasing fuel volume or leg room for passengers. Steve Ruse Norman, OK On 2012-08-03 15:00, dgaldrich wrote: > > > Thanks for the summary and more importantly, the lessons learned. > I'm about to start tank construction and will definitely put some > additional thought into sump design as well as quick drains. > > I know that you and Shelley (rightly) don't want to post pictures of > FBG. At some point in the future, once things settle down and you > get > a chance to look at her with some objectivity, you might look at what > could be improved from a safety/survivability and consider sharing > that knowledge. > > Best wishes on a speedy recovery. > > Dave and Sue Aldrich > > do not archive > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379975#379975 > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:44:38 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Finish tapes From: "bender" I worked all weekend on finish taping my wing.. got the last couple of stitches done saturday morning. I'm use the ekobond and i like it a lot... its easy to work with and no smells or MEK.. you may notice its not blue.. i got it in the linen color.. mostly because i just didn't like the blue. taping took longer than i thought ... and if you guys could have seen my flip the wing yesterday by myself.....wow... i don't recommend it. jeff http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l593/jfaithbass/IMG_20120805_161617.jpg Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380199#380199 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:46:05 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Drag/Anti-drag wing cables From: "John Francis" Tom, I believe most do what Ben did to take care of the problem. I was lucky enough to have read about this potential problem in the archives and avoid it by shifting my ribs a little to clear the wires. Today I had to cut another piece loose as it was interfering with an aileron piece. I wonder if anyone has built a pietenpol without stepping back and cutting or pulling something apart? Do not Archive -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380200#380200 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:53:57 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Drag/Anti-drag wing cables "I wonder if anyone has built a pietenpol without stepping back and cutting or pulling something apart?" - I do not fall in this category. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:55:57 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Finish tapes From: "John Francis" Jeff, I am so impressed when I see pictures of people on this list covering airplane parts for the first time. It always looks to me like a professional did it. I look forward to that part of the project. Do Not Archive -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380202#380202 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:49:19 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Lessons Learned From: helspersew@aol.com Steve, I agree, and after reading Douwe's post about running his fuel lines down-h ill (even in the three-point attitude) I regret not doing that. But my excu se is that I didn't know better. Let this be a notice to all present builde rs out there. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: steve Sent: Mon, Aug 6, 2012 12:30 pm Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Lessons Learned I hope you guys will tolerate the thoughts of an engineer/owner but non-builder on fuel tank construction. Generally with aircraft I believe you want to completely remove the human factor from any aircraft system if at all possible. I.E.,. make all systems passively safe or inherently safe, rather than requiring some action by the operator to make them safe. This has generally be shown to reduce problems. For fuel tanks & eliminating water issues, to me this means the only way to design a fuel tank is so that the sump will always be the lowest point in any typical attitude (i.e., in flight and on the ground). If fuel tank design dictates that you must pick up the tail and wiggle the plane, eventually someone is going to tire of doing that, or not do it long enough, or high enough for the water to get to the sump and then you have a problem. Designing the tank so that all bottom surfaces have a healthy slope towards the sump is a much better option in my opinion...i.e., take the human operator factor out of the situation, i.e., make it passively or inherently safe, not safe only when a certain action is taken. It would also be difficult to determine exactly how much "lifting & shaking" is necessary to get all water to the sump. Just my .02. Sorry for the long winded post, I just hate to see any Piet or operator/passenger get damaged. If the sump is at the front of the tank it can be lowered without decreasing fuel volume or leg room for passengers. Steve Ruse Norman, OK On 2012-08-03 15:00, dgaldrich wrote: > > > Thanks for the summary and more importantly, the lessons learned. > I'm about to start tank construction and will definitely put some > additional thought into sump design as well as quick drains. > > I know that you and Shelley (rightly) don't want to post pictures of > FBG. At some point in the future, once things settle down and you > get > a chance to look at her with some objectivity, you might look at what > could be improved from a safety/survivability and consider sharing > that knowledge. > > Best wishes on a speedy recovery. > > Dave and Sue Aldrich > > do not archive > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379975#379975 > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:03:10 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Lessons Learned From: John Kuhfahl I have a stock J3 fuselage tank in my Piet--the engineers put the outlet in the center of the tank. Why I don't know... John On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 2:48 PM, wrote: > Steve, > > I agree, and after reading Douwe's post about running his fuel lines > down-hill (even in the three-point attitude) I regret not doing that. But > my excuse is that I didn't know better. Let this be a notice to all present > builders out there. > > Dan Helsper > Puryear, TN > -----Original Message----- > From: steve > To: pietenpol-list > Sent: Mon, Aug 6, 2012 12:30 pm > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Lessons Learned > > > I hope you guys will tolerate the thoughts of an engineer/owner but > non-builder on fuel tank construction. Generally with aircraft I > believe you want to completely remove the human factor from any aircraft > system if at all possible. I.E.,. make all systems passively safe or > inherently safe, rather than requiring some action by the operator to > make them safe. This has generally be shown to reduce problems. > > For fuel tanks & eliminating water issues, to me this means the only > way to design a fuel tank is so that the sump will always be the lowest > point in any typical attitude (i.e., in flight and on the ground). If > fuel tank design dictates that you must pick up the tail and wiggle the > plane, eventually someone is going to tire of doing that, or not do it > long enough, or high enough for the water to get to the sump and then > you have a problem. Designing the tank so that all bottom surfaces have > a healthy slope towards the sump is a much better option in my > opinion...i.e., take the human operator factor out of the situation, > i.e., make it passively or inherently safe, not safe only when a certain > action is taken. It would also be difficult to determine exactly how > much "lifting & shaking" is necessary to get all water to the sump. > > Just my .02. Sorry for the long winded post, I just hate to see any > Piet or operator/passenger get damaged. If the sump is at the front of > the tank it can be lowered without decreasing fuel volume or leg room > for passengers. > > Steve Ruse > Norman, OK > > > On 2012-08-03 15:00, dgaldrich wrote: > > > > > > Thanks for the summary and more importantly, the lessons learned. > > I'm about to start tank construction and will definitely put some > > additional thought into sump design as well as quick drains. > > > > I know that you and Shelley (rightly) don't want to post pictures of > > FBG. At some point in the future, once things settle down and you > > get > > a chance to look at her with some objectivity, you might look at what > > could be improved from a safety/survivability and consider sharing > > that knowledge. > > > > Best wishes on a speedy recovery. > > > > Dave and Sue Aldrich > > > > do not archive > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379975#379975 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > tp://forums.matronics.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > * > > * > > -- John Kuhfahl, Lt Col USAF (Ret), President, KUHLCOUPER LLC ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:47:12 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Drag/Anti-drag wing cables From: gboothe5@comcast.net "...I wonder if anyone has built a Pietenpol without stepping back and cutting or pulling something apart?..." If they said they did, John, they're a liar! Nice to see you at Brodhead! Gary from Cool Do not archive ------Original Message------ From: John Francis Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Drag/Anti-drag wing cables Sent: Aug 6, 2012 10:45 AM Tom, I believe most do what Ben did to take care of the problem. I was lucky enough to have read about this potential problem in the archives and avoid it by shifting my ribs a little to clear the wires. Today I had to cut another piece loose as it was interfering with an aileron piece. I wonder if anyone has built a pietenpol without stepping back and cutting or pulling something apart? Do not Archive -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380200#380200 Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 03:29:14 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aileron Piano Hinge From: "John Francis" I'm just a little confused here as I am veering from the plans by using a piano hinge for the ailerons. Look at the attached photos and tell me if this is where the hinge is located or is it raised to the top of the cap strip when the aileron is cut out? Nothing is mounted yet including the cap strip. -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380221#380221 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc07694_708.jpg ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 03:58:38 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Aileron Piano Hinge John, the ailerons are designed to have the hinge line flush with the top of the wing. I don't see any reason why your location won't work, but it's not the way the plane was designed. Here are a couple of photos of mine, since I also used piano hinges: Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Francis Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 6:29 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aileron Piano Hinge I'm just a little confused here as I am veering from the plans by using a piano hinge for the ailerons. Look at the attached photos and tell me if this is where the hinge is located or is it raised to the top of the cap strip when the aileron is cut out? Nothing is mounted yet including the cap strip. -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380221#380221 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc07694_708.jpg ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 04:00:00 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: aileron piano hinge placement John-- many of us have been flying with aileron piano hinges for many years with great success. Mount the top of your hinge flush with the top of your wing. The top of t he hinge is even with the fabric of the wing and aileron. You'll seal the gap that way giving you good ail eron control and won't have to use tapes or other methods to seal the aileron gap. Hope this helps, ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 04:14:55 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Piano Hinge From: "John Francis" Jack, I understand what you are saying but picturing how this all fits together is what has me confused. I was trying to find a picture of an uncovered hinge installed. So is my rear aileron spar in the correct position? After cutting out the aileron the hinge is raised to mount flush with the top surface of the wing which exposes the top, rear 1/2 inch of the piano hinge? -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380226#380226 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 04:37:43 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Piano Hinge From: gboothe5@comcast.net John, Don't forget, you need to add filler strips to the tops of those spars. Gary from Cool ------Original Message------ From: John Francis Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Piano Hinge Sent: Aug 6, 2012 4:14 PM Jack, I understand what you are saying but picturing how this all fits together is what has me confused. I was trying to find a picture of an uncovered hinge installed. So is my rear aileron spar in the correct position? After cutting out the aileron the hinge is raised to mount flush with the top surface of the wing which exposes the top, rear 1/2 inch of the piano hinge? -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380226#380226 Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 05:18:13 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Piano Hinge From: "John Francis" So I add 1/4" by 1/4" filler strip on the tops of both aileron beams? These then sandwich the top of the piano hinge....correct? -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380231#380231 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 05:35:55 PM PST US From: "skipgadd@earthlink.net" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Lessons Learned John, I have a J3 tank in Felix my GN1. There was an AD for the J3 to add a drain at the back of the tank, mine had a threaded insert installed there already. I got a saf-air drain valve with the correct threads and installed it. The AD for the J3 used a plastic tube that runs out the floor of the fuse, but there is not room in the Piet front pit to do that, so I have to be carful my drain doesn't drip and the passengers are briefed not to jam their knee up against the drain. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: John Kuhfahl Sent: 8/6/2012 5:04:42 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Lessons Learned I have a stock J3 fuselage tank in my Piet--the engineers put the outlet in the center of the tank. Why I don't know... John ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 05:38:49 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Piano Hinge From: gboothe5@comcast.net Yes. ------Original Message------ From: John Francis Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Piano Hinge Sent: Aug 6, 2012 5:17 PM So I add 1/4" by 1/4" filler strip on the tops of both aileron beams? These then sandwich the top of the piano hinge....correct? -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380231#380231 Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 05:58:43 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision From: "curtdm(at)gmail.com" I recently came across Vi's hinges used for another aviation purpose. Holding jetway doors open. I believe these are stainless. -------- Curt Merdan Flower Mound, TX Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380238#380238 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/photo_568.jpg ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 06:09:24 PM PST US From: "C N Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Piano Hinge No it doesn't! The rear half of the piano hinge bolts to the aileron. The knuckle of the hinge is the only thing that shows with the hinge attached to both the wing and the aileron. C ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Francis" Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:14 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Piano Hinge > > Jack, I understand what you are saying but picturing how this all fits > together is what has me confused. I was trying to find a picture of an > uncovered hinge installed. So is my rear aileron spar in the correct > position? After cutting out the aileron the hinge is raised to mount > flush with the top surface of the wing which exposes the top, rear 1/2 > inch of the piano hinge? > > -------- > John Francis > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380226#380226 > > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 07:01:08 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision From: "nightmare" thats hilarious, is that atl? ill have to bring my screwdriver on my next trip -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380241#380241 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 09:59:13 PM PST US From: jorge lizarraga Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Drag/Anti-drag wing cables same dilema well- Gary from my self your just right from bigener some pises be pull a par or disamble,cut or remove make space for another or bether for other , all my proyect was in the same whay the perfection dont exist if some one a roun talkyou these is perfect well is a la;;;;;;;;tanks jorge from hanford =0A=0A=0AFrom: "gboothe5@comcast.net" =0ATo: pietenpo l-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Monday, August 6, 2012 2:46 PM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Drag/Anti-drag wing cables=0A=0A--> Pietenpol-List mes sage posted by: gboothe5@comcast.net=0A=0A"...I wonder if anyone has built a Pietenpol without stepping back and cutting or pulling something apart?.. ."=0A=0AIf they said they did, John, they're a liar!=0A=0ANice to see you a t Brodhead!=0A=0AGary from Cool=0ADo not archive=0A------Original Message-- ----=0AFrom: John Francis=0ASender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.c om=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0AReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.c om=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Drag/Anti-drag wing cables=0ASent: Aug 6, rkringles@msn.com>=0A=0ATom,=0A=0AI believe most do what Ben did to take ca re of the problem.- I was lucky enough to have read about this potential problem in the archives and avoid it by shifting my ribs a little to clear the wires.- Today I had to cut another piece loose as it was interfering with an aileron piece.- I wonder if anyone has built a pietenpol without stepping back and cutting or pulling something apart?=0A=0ADo not Archive =0A=0A--------=0AJohn Francis=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A =0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380200#380200=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ASent on the Sprint=AE Now Network from my BlackBerr =========================0A ================= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.