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1. 02:26 AM - Re: More Pietenpol Roots in Oklahoma (TaiwanTeacher)
2. 03:59 AM - Re: Re: Aileron Piano Hinge (Jack)
3. 04:23 AM - Re: Re: More Pietenpol Roots in Oklahoma (Jack)
4. 04:23 AM - Re: Re: Aileron Piano Hinge (Jack Phillips)
5. 05:08 AM - Aileron Piano Hinge ideas (Jim Markle)
6. 05:39 AM - Re: Aileron Piano Hinge (John Francis)
7. 05:52 AM - 90 Year Old Piet Builder (PatrickW)
8. 06:11 AM - Re: Aileron Piano Hinge ideas (John Francis)
9. 06:19 AM - Re: More Pietenpol Roots in Oklahoma (Jerry Dotson)
10. 06:52 AM - 90 Year Old Piet Builder (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
11. 07:03 AM - Re: Re: Aileron Piano Hinge ideas (Jim Markle)
12. 07:05 AM - Re: 90 Year Old Piet Builder (Sutton, Mark)
13. 07:37 AM - For Sale: N8031 (Dan Yocum)
14. 07:58 AM - Re: For Sale: N8031 (Jack Phillips)
15. 08:08 AM - Re: For Sale: N8031 (John Francis)
16. 08:14 AM - Re: For Sale: N8031 (gboothe5@comcast.net)
17. 09:04 AM - Re: For Sale: N8031 (Steve Emo)
18. 09:17 AM - Re: For Sale: N8031 (aircamperace@yahoo.com)
19. 10:37 AM - Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision (pineymb)
20. 10:55 AM - stall characteristics (giacummo)
21. 11:44 AM - Re: Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision (Allan Macklem)
22. 12:06 PM - Re: Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision (Jack Phillips)
23. 12:10 PM - Re: Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision (Gene Rambo)
24. 12:37 PM - Re: For Sale: N8031 (Jim Boyer)
25. 12:47 PM - Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision (Allan Macklem)
26. 12:47 PM - Re: stall characteristics (Dan Yocum)
27. 01:40 PM - Re: For Sale: N8031 (Dan Yocum)
28. 01:44 PM - Re: Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision (Dan Yocum)
29. 01:44 PM - Re: For Sale: N8031 (Ryan Mueller)
30. 01:59 PM - Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision (Michael Perez)
31. 02:04 PM - Re: Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision (Gene Rambo)
32. 02:04 PM - Re: Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision (Michael Perez)
33. 02:41 PM - Sonex (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
34. 03:39 PM - Re: Sonex (DaveG601XL)
35. 03:57 PM - Re: stall characteristics (Greg Cardinal)
36. 04:06 PM - Re: Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision (Michael Perez)
37. 06:40 PM - Re: 90 Year Old Piet Builder (proplock)
38. 07:23 PM - Re: Re: 90 Year Old Piet Builder (Michael Perez)
39. 07:53 PM - Quick Progress Update (kevinpurtee)
40. 08:10 PM - Re: For Sale: N8031 (IT Girl)
41. 08:57 PM - Re: Quick Progress Update (Ken Bickers)
42. 10:13 PM - Re: For Sale: N8031 (Mark Roberts)
43. 10:23 PM - Re: Quick Progress Update (Mark Roberts)
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| Subject: | Re: More Pietenpol Roots in Oklahoma |
Greetings, Mark, et al.
Your thread popped up on a search yesterday (Aug 6th), as I sometimes perform one
on the anniversary of my father's death in a Pietenpol crash back in 1983 in
Shelton Washington.
You see... I am Orrin D. Hoopman, grandson of Orrin C. Hoopman.
Not sure if any of you Pietenpol buffs know the bit of trivia that Orrin C.'s eldest
son died while being blessed to be a passenger in a Pietenpol for the first
time since he rode in his father's Air Camper back when he was four years
old, circa 1938. Delbert Orrin Hoopman (my father) and I had searched airshows
for years trying to find any Pietenpols. We sure found a beauty that day, the
prettiest one we had ever seen. The owner/pilot (who survived the crash) was
a wonderful guy named Fred Imrie from British Columbia. I lost contact with him
years ago, but continue to wish him well on these anniversaries.
Please take good care of my Aunt Bernis "Bernie" and all her family when you hook
up with them in OK. Tell her that Orrin says, "Hello from Taiwan!"
Over and out.
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Pietenpol's Forever!
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Piano Hinge |
John here are some shots...
http://textors.com/Ailerons_003.jpg
http://textors.com/Ailerons_002.jpg
http://textors.com/9-25-08_003.jpg
Jack Textor
DSM
NX1929T
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Francis
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:18 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Piano Hinge
So I add 1/4" by 1/4" filler strip on the tops of both aileron beams? These
then sandwich the top of the piano hinge....correct?
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| Subject: | Re: More Pietenpol Roots in Oklahoma |
Orrin thanks for sharing, take care!
Jack Textor
DSM
NX1929T
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
TaiwanTeacher
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 4:26 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: More Pietenpol Roots in Oklahoma
<maine_sciguy@yahoo.com>
Greetings, Mark, et al.
Your thread popped up on a search yesterday (Aug 6th), as I sometimes
perform one on the anniversary of my father's death in a Pietenpol crash
back in 1983 in Shelton Washington.
You see... I am Orrin D. Hoopman, grandson of Orrin C. Hoopman.
Not sure if any of you Pietenpol buffs know the bit of trivia that Orrin
C.'s eldest son died while being blessed to be a passenger in a Pietenpol
for the first time since he rode in his father's Air Camper back when he was
four years old, circa 1938. Delbert Orrin Hoopman (my father) and I had
searched airshows for years trying to find any Pietenpols. We sure found a
beauty that day, the prettiest one we had ever seen. The owner/pilot (who
survived the crash) was a wonderful guy named Fred Imrie from British
Columbia. I lost contact with him years ago, but continue to wish him well
on these anniversaries.
Please take good care of my Aunt Bernis "Bernie" and all her family when you
hook up with them in OK. Tell her that Orrin says, "Hello from Taiwan!"
Over and out.
--------
Pietenpol's Forever!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380262#380262
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Piano Hinge |
John,
I don't have any really clear pictures showing the aileron hinges before
covering, but here is the best I've got:
In this picture you can only see one of the piano hinges installed. I made
my hinges in sections to allow the wing to flex without binding the hinges -
a suggestion from Tony Bingelis that turns out to be totally unnecessary.
Many Piet builders have installed their hinges in one continuous 6' length,
which is much easier to install.
Anyway, this picture shows the filler strips you need to add between the
ribs on the aileron spars. The piano hinges are installed with one tab
bolted to the aft face of the wing's spar and the other bolted to the front
face of the aileron spar, with the hinge pin flush with the top of the wing.
Does this make it any clearer for you?
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Francis
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 7:15 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Piano Hinge
Jack, I understand what you are saying but picturing how this all fits
together is what has me confused. I was trying to find a picture of an
uncovered hinge installed. So is my rear aileron spar in the correct
position? After cutting out the aileron the hinge is raised to mount flush
with the top surface of the wing which exposes the top, rear 1/2 inch of the
piano hinge?
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John Francis
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| Subject: | Aileron Piano Hinge ideas |
I don't know what the exact aileron question was but...here are a couple ideas
for the aileron/piano hinge mounting process.
I used T nuts screwed in with small wood screws....epoxied the screws in during
"final" assembly of the T nuts.
The piano hinge is flush with the top of the rib and 1/4" spacing pieces. Haven't
mounted the newly covered aileron but I'll make a note if there are any issues.
Don't expect any.
I would be glad to take more pics if requested.
One more note: mykitplane.com is down right now (at least for me....). These pics
came from my offline copy of the website. I would recommend anyone using
mykitplane (as I have for years) to "spider" your build log from time to time.
Spidering applications make exact, usable copys of websites (google "teleport
pro") so you'll have it even if/when it disappears. Takes a little time but
we've spent a LOT of time compiling that info, right?!
Jim in Pryor (well, Tampa FL today....)
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Piano Hinge |
I got it. Thanks all.
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John Francis
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| Subject: | 90 Year Old Piet Builder |
Saw this on the local news this morning about a 90 year old guy who's building
a Piet in his garage in MN.
Nice craftsmanship. The guy is inspiring.
http://www.keyc.tv/story/19209104/90-?clienttype=printable
Patrick Hoyt
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Piano Hinge ideas |
Jim,
First, thanks for pictures.
It looks like you used full width capstrip on the rear aileron beam and 1/4" width
capstrip on the front aileron beam?
My kitplane is down for a few days as I received this email from Gary McNeel, the
owner after I questioned why the site was down.
John:
Thank you. I just found out myself. I wrote the site years ago and inadvertently
left a way for hackers to inject SQL. This allowed them to overwrite some code.
I need to break out the old code and fix the bug. Then deploy. Then put the
database back out there. It'll be a few days or so until I can knock it out.
Thank you for heads up.
Gary McNeel
I will look into the spider software once it is back up and running as I have fears
that some day it may just disappear!
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John Francis
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| Subject: | Re: More Pietenpol Roots in Oklahoma |
Orrin thanks for posting. If you have pictures of Mr Hoopman and/or Mr Pietenpol
we would love for you to share them. If you don't want to bother with posting
them here you can email them to me in batches less than 10 MB and I will post
them. I save every old photo of those guys and the airplanes. I have not found
many.
jdotson(at)centurylink.net
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
First flight June 16,2012
Started building July, 2009
21" wheels
Lycoming O-235 C2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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| Subject: | 90 Year Old Piet Builder |
http://www.keyc.tv/story/19209104/90-?clienttype=printable
What an inspiration that gentleman is and a WWII Veteran to boot!
I hope he does 'accidentally' get airborne while he's doing his taxi testin
g!
Mike C.
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Thank you for posting this Patrick Hoyt!!!!!
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Piano Hinge ideas |
Well, looks like I used 1/4"....but probably because I have a bunch of 1/4" strips...that
piece probably doesn't do much more than make the surface flush all
the way across. Wouldn't want to use 1/16 or 1/8 but I'm thinking use 1/4" and
save a tiny bit of weight at the same time. Having done some tape/fabric covering
(one of the two ailerons is now covered/primed, ready for final paint)
I would say just don't go over the width of your tape....so you can just use
one piece of tape in that area.... :-)
JM
-----Original Message-----
>From: John Francis <Mrkringles@msn.com>
>Sent: Aug 7, 2012 9:10 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Piano Hinge ideas
>
>
>Jim,
>
>First, thanks for pictures.
>
>It looks like you used full width capstrip on the rear aileron beam and 1/4" width
capstrip on the front aileron beam?
>
>My kitplane is down for a few days as I received this email from Gary McNeel,
the owner after I questioned why the site was down.
>
>John:
>
>Thank you. I just found out myself. I wrote the site years ago and inadvertently
left a way for hackers to inject SQL. This allowed them to overwrite some code.
I need to break out the old code and fix the bug. Then deploy. Then put the
database back out there. It'll be a few days or so until I can knock it out.
Thank you for heads up.
>
>Gary McNeel
>
>I will look into the spider software once it is back up and running as I have
fears that some day it may just disappear!
>
>--------
>John Francis
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380273#380273
>
>
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| Subject: | 90 Year Old Piet Builder |
This is great.....I would fly up to see that first flight!
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Par
tners, LLC]
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 9:52 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: 90 Year Old Piet Builder
http://www.keyc.tv/story/19209104/90-?clienttype=printable
What an inspiration that gentleman is and a WWII Veteran to boot!
I hope he does 'accidentally' get airborne while he's doing his taxi testin
g!
Mike C.
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Thank you for posting this Patrick Hoyt!!!!!
Real people. Real needs. Real solutions.
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Hi all,
Well, the time has come. My girls are about to enter kindergarten with
all the things that entails - swim lessons, piano lessons, homework,
PTO, etc. etc. etc.
So, I will now become a builder instead of a flyer for the next dozen
years or so. I'm asking the same price I paid - $12,000 - but, I'm
willing to negotiate.
Without further ado, here are some details on N8031:
Built in 1979, covered in Stits Polyfiber, A65-8F, ~475hr TTAF and SMOH,
McCauley 74-42 prop, 14.5g tank, empty weight is 710lbs, max weight is
1200lbs. Max pilot (rear seat) weight is 210lb.
Here are some pictures:
https://picasaweb.google.com/100843558075002483077/N8031
Here are some videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DLGrLdN6AI&feature=g-upl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecpxxpuhU-M&list=LLPRvaHfVpvUpy8n_-iKgE4g&feature=mh_lolz
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddUgZzWq0js
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v-P9_-6cIWI
Thanks!
Dan
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Dan Yocum
yocum137@gmail.com
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Don't do it, Dan! Sell the children instead and save yourself the joys of
adolescence.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 10:37 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: For Sale: N8031
Hi all,
Well, the time has come. My girls are about to enter kindergarten with
all the things that entails - swim lessons, piano lessons, homework,
PTO, etc. etc. etc.
So, I will now become a builder instead of a flyer for the next dozen
years or so. I'm asking the same price I paid - $12,000 - but, I'm
willing to negotiate.
Without further ado, here are some details on N8031:
Built in 1979, covered in Stits Polyfiber, A65-8F, ~475hr TTAF and SMOH,
McCauley 74-42 prop, 14.5g tank, empty weight is 710lbs, max weight is
1200lbs. Max pilot (rear seat) weight is 210lb.
Here are some pictures:
https://picasaweb.google.com/100843558075002483077/N8031
Here are some videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DLGrLdN6AI&feature=g-upl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecpxxpuhU-M&list=LLPRvaHfVpvUpy8n_-iKgE4g&fea
ture=mh_lolz
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddUgZzWq0js
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v-P9_-6cIWI
Thanks!
Dan
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Dan Yocum
yocum137@gmail.com
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| Subject: | Re: For Sale: N8031 |
Dan,
Since you were the first to give me a ride in a Pietenpol, let me be the first
to offer you a ride in mine when it is completed. Certainly understand your situation
and wish you luck in selling that fine machine.
John
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John Francis
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| Subject: | Re: For Sale: N8031 |
That's what happened to me, 27 years ago! You don't want to be like me, do you?
Gary from Cool
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Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
Don't do it, Dan! Sell the children instead and save yourself the joys of
adolescence.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
Do Not Archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 10:37 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: For Sale: N8031
Hi all,
Well, the time has come. My girls are about to enter kindergarten with
all the things that entails - swim lessons, piano lessons, homework,
PTO, etc. etc. etc.
So, I will now become a builder instead of a flyer for the next dozen
years or so. I'm asking the same price I paid - $12,000 - but, I'm
willing to negotiate.
Without further ado, here are some details on N8031:
Built in 1979, covered in Stits Polyfiber, A65-8F, ~475hr TTAF and SMOH,
McCauley 74-42 prop, 14.5g tank, empty weight is 710lbs, max weight is
1200lbs. Max pilot (rear seat) weight is 210lb.
Here are some pictures:
https://picasaweb.google.com/100843558075002483077/N8031
Here are some videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DLGrLdN6AI&feature=g-upl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecpxxpuhU-M&list=LLPRvaHfVpvUpy8n_-iKgE4g&fea
ture=mh_lolz
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddUgZzWq0js
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v-P9_-6cIWI
Thanks!
Dan
--
Dan Yocum
yocum137@gmail.com
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| Subject: | Re: For Sale: N8031 |
AMEN!!
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Steve
On Aug 7, 2012, at 10:58 AM, "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> Don't do it, Dan! Sell the children instead and save yourself the joys of
> adolescence.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
> Do Not Archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum
> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 10:37 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: For Sale: N8031
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> Well, the time has come. My girls are about to enter kindergarten with
> all the things that entails - swim lessons, piano lessons, homework,
> PTO, etc. etc. etc.
>
> So, I will now become a builder instead of a flyer for the next dozen
> years or so. I'm asking the same price I paid - $12,000 - but, I'm
> willing to negotiate.
>
> Without further ado, here are some details on N8031:
>
> Built in 1979, covered in Stits Polyfiber, A65-8F, ~475hr TTAF and SMOH,
> McCauley 74-42 prop, 14.5g tank, empty weight is 710lbs, max weight is
> 1200lbs. Max pilot (rear seat) weight is 210lb.
>
> Here are some pictures:
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/100843558075002483077/N8031
>
> Here are some videos:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DLGrLdN6AI&feature=g-upl
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecpxxpuhU-M&list=LLPRvaHfVpvUpy8n_-iKgE4g&fea
> ture=mh_lolz
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddUgZzWq0js
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v-P9_-6cIWI
>
> Thanks!
> Dan
>
>
> --
> Dan Yocum
> yocum137@gmail.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: For Sale: N8031 |
The girls are going to need to learn to fly!
Ryan
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On Aug 7, 2012, at 10:37 AM, Dan Yocum <yocum137@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Hi all,
>
> Well, the time has come. My girls are about to enter kindergarten with all the
things that entails - swim lessons, piano lessons, homework, PTO, etc. etc.
etc.
>
> So, I will now become a builder instead of a flyer for the next dozen years or
so. I'm asking the same price I paid - $12,000 - but, I'm willing to negotiate.
>
> Without further ado, here are some details on N8031:
>
> Built in 1979, covered in Stits Polyfiber, A65-8F, ~475hr TTAF and SMOH, McCauley
74-42 prop, 14.5g tank, empty weight is 710lbs, max weight is 1200lbs. Max
pilot (rear seat) weight is 210lb.
>
> Here are some pictures:
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/100843558075002483077/N8031
>
> Here are some videos:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DLGrLdN6AI&feature=g-upl
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecpxxpuhU-M&list=LLPRvaHfVpvUpy8n_-iKgE4g&feature=mh_lolz
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddUgZzWq0js
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v-P9_-6cIWI
>
> Thanks!
> Dan
>
>
> --
> Dan Yocum
> yocum137@gmail.com
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This is the hinge setup for elevator and rudder on my Piet, light & strong.
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Hello,
Before anything, its nice to see Kevin back again with a lesson in hand. By the
moment my wife don read this mails... thanks God, because if she do it, my project
finished in the fireplace [Wink]
July was a hard month, and even august.. I did't work on the airplane, but I read
a lot abot a lot of things.. one of them was stall, how, when,devices, etc,
etc.
What are the Pietenpol stall characteristics?.. do you use any warning device?..
what kind of them?...
If you can ilustrate me a little about this ..
Thnak you.
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http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
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| Subject: | Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision |
Jack, I'm not critiquing you design or skills, just have a question.
I'm planning on using piano hinges for the ailerons and just assumed that
these would be good for the elevators as well. Is this faulty thinking or
unnecessary complication?
Allan Macklem
Elkhorn, NE
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2012 2:35 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision
Ask and ye shall receive. Fortunately, I'm now living in the hangar with my
Pietenpol so it is pretty easy to get pictures.
Here is a photo showing the arrangement for the elevator hinges:
And this shows the rudder hinges:
The eyebolts need to be staked or epoxied in place so they can't rotate and
bind the clevis pins, and as Dan helsper said, it helps to align all the
hinges using a steel rod so everything can move smoothly.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts
Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2012 3:16 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision
Hey Jack, great idea. So you have a close up picture of that set up
somewhere? That sounds like a good idea to copy :D
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| Subject: | Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision |
I don't think piano hinges lend themselves well to the tail group just
because there is not a straightforward way to mount them like there is for
the ailerons. It can be done, but it's complicated. One of the advantages
of piano hinges is that they automatically seal the gap. The ailerons on a
Pietenpol definitely need the gap sealed, but it doesn't seem to offer much
of a benefit for the tail.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Allan
Macklem
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 2:43 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision
Jack, I'm not critiquing you design or skills, just have a question.
I'm planning on using piano hinges for the ailerons and just assumed that
these would be good for the elevators as well. Is this faulty thinking or
unnecessary complication?
Allan Macklem
Elkhorn, NE
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2012 2:35 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision
Ask and ye shall receive. Fortunately, I'm now living in the hangar with my
Pietenpol so it is pretty easy to get pictures.
Here is a photo showing the arrangement for the elevator hinges:
And this shows the rudder hinges:
The eyebolts need to be staked or epoxied in place so they can't rotate and
bind the clevis pins, and as Dan helsper said, it helps to align all the
hinges using a steel rod so everything can move smoothly.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2012 3:16 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision
Hey Jack, great idea. So you have a close up picture of that set up
somewhere? That sounds like a good idea to copy :D
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| Subject: | Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision |
In my humble opinion piano hinges are not appropriate or strong enough for e
levators. They might be strong "enough", but not to multiples for safety's s
ake. There is too much riding on those hinges, and a failure there WILL kill
you.
Gene
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On Aug 7, 2012, at 2:42 PM, "Allan Macklem" <awmacklem@cox.net> wrote:
> Jack, I=99m not critiquing you design or skills, just have a questio
n.
>
> I=99m planning on using piano hinges for the ailerons and just assum
ed that these would be good for the elevators as well. Is this faulty think
ing or unnecessary complication?
>
> Allan Macklem
> Elkhorn, NE
>
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> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li
st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips
> Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2012 2:35 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision
>
> Ask and ye shall receive. Fortunately, I'm now living in the hangar with m
y Pietenpol so it is pretty easy to get pictures.
>
> Here is a photo showing the arrangement for the elevator hinges:
>
> <image001.jpg>
>
> And this shows the rudder hinges:
>
> <image002.jpg>
>
> The eyebolts need to be staked or epoxied in place so they can=99t r
otate and bind the clevis pins, and as Dan helsper said, it helps to align a
ll the hinges using a steel rod so everything can move smoothly.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li
st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts
> Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2012 3:16 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision
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| Subject: | Re: For Sale: N8031 |
Hi Dan,
Hate to see you sell your Piet but am very familar with the cost of raising
daughters; three of my own. Thats why I am just getting close to finishing
my Piet now.
Stay connected with the Piet group; I loved seeing your Piet on my visits t
o Brodhead,
All my best,
Jim B
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| Subject: | rudder and elevator hinge decision |
Mike, your machinist quality work is impressive. What was your source for
the hinge and matching T nuts/screws?
Allan Macklem
Elkhorn, NE
AWMacklem@cox.net
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| Subject: | Re: stall characteristics |
Mario,
N8031 stalls very much like a Piper J-3 Cub - straight ahead and very
mushy at 30-35mph.
I do not have a stall indicator, but it's very easy to tell when it's
about to stall since all the dirt on the floor flies up in your face
because of the air getting into the cockpit.
Ciao!
Dan
On 08/07/2012 12:54 PM, giacummo wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> Before anything, its nice to see Kevin back again with a lesson in hand. By the
moment my wife don read this mails... thanks God, because if she do it, my
project finished in the fireplace [Wink]
>
> July was a hard month, and even august.. I did't work on the airplane, but I
read a lot abot a lot of things.. one of them was stall, how, when,devices, etc,
etc.
>
> What are the Pietenpol stall characteristics?.. do you use any warning device?..
what kind of them?...
>
> If you can ilustrate me a little about this ..
>
> Thnak you.
>
> --------
> Mario Giacummo
> http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380301#380301
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Don't worry Jim. I'll stick around the group. Brodhead is only a 1.5hr
drive away for me, so I'll be around. Besides, I will build my own over
the next dozen years or so. I already have 17 ribs built...
Oh, sorry, I was channeling Gary Boothe - I only have 14 built, right now.
;-)
Dan
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On 08/07/2012 02:35 PM, Jim Boyer wrote:
>
> Hi Dan,
>
> Hate to see you sell your Piet but am very familar with the cost of
> raising daughters; three of my own. Thats why I am just getting close to
> finishing my Piet now.
>
> Stay connected with the Piet group; I loved seeing your Piet on my
> visits to Brodhead,
>
> All my best,
>
> Jim B
>
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| Subject: | Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision |
How are they weaker than the standard hinges? If they're attached to
the wood with the same method, there will be more attach points than the
standard hinges and, oh, I dunno - have you ever lifted a piano cover?
Them's heavy!
No, I disagree. I think piano hinges will be strong and safe enough.
Dan
On 08/07/2012 02:10 PM, Gene Rambo wrote:
> In my humble opinion piano hinges are not appropriate or strong enough
> for elevators. They might be strong "enough", but not to multiples for
> safety's sake. There is too much riding on those hinges, and a failure
> there WILL kill you.
>
> Gene
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>
> On Aug 7, 2012, at 2:42 PM, "Allan Macklem" <awmacklem@cox.net
> <mailto:awmacklem@cox.net>> wrote:
>
>> Jack, Im not critiquing you design or skills, just have a question.
>>
>>
>>
>> Im planning on using piano hinges for the ailerons and just assumed
>> that these would be good for the elevators as well. Is this faulty
>> thinking or unnecessary complication?
>>
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| Subject: | Re: For Sale: N8031 |
No, if you were Gary you would be ripping kitchen cabinets out right
now=85.
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Ryan Mueller
rmueller23@gmail.com
On Aug 7, 2012, at 3:40 PM, Dan Yocum <yocum137@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Don't worry Jim. I'll stick around the group. Brodhead is only a
1.5hr
> drive away for me, so I'll be around. Besides, I will build my own
over
> the next dozen years or so. I already have 17 ribs built...
>
> Oh, sorry, I was channeling Gary Boothe - I only have 14 built, right
now.
>
> ;-)
> Dan
>
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>
> On 08/07/2012 02:35 PM, Jim Boyer wrote:
>>
>> Hi Dan,
>>
>> Hate to see you sell your Piet but am very familar with the cost of
>> raising daughters; three of my own. Thats why I am just getting close
to
>> finishing my Piet now.
>>
>> Stay connected with the Piet group; I loved seeing your Piet on my
>> visits to Brodhead,
>>
>> All my best,
>>
>> Jim B
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | rudder and elevator hinge decision |
Thank you Allen. The hinge used is MS20001-6 from Aircraft Spruce.- The T
-nuts I believe came from McMaster Carr.
-
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision |
Attachment method is not the issue. And, a piano lid is not opened and closed repeatedly
to high stress levels ...and you wouldn't die if the lid came off.
On Aug 7, 2012, at 4:43 PM, Dan Yocum <yocum137@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> How are they weaker than the standard hinges? If they're attached to
> the wood with the same method, there will be more attach points than the
> standard hinges and, oh, I dunno - have you ever lifted a piano cover?
> Them's heavy!
>
> No, I disagree. I think piano hinges will be strong and safe enough.
>
> Dan
>
> On 08/07/2012 02:10 PM, Gene Rambo wrote:
>> In my humble opinion piano hinges are not appropriate or strong enough
>> for elevators. They might be strong "enough", but not to multiples for
>> safety's sake. There is too much riding on those hinges, and a failure
>> there WILL kill you.
>>
>> Gene
>> Do not archive
>>
>> On Aug 7, 2012, at 2:42 PM, "Allan Macklem" <awmacklem@cox.net
>> <mailto:awmacklem@cox.net>> wrote:
>>
>>> Jack, Im not critiquing you design or skills, just have a question.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Im planning on using piano hinges for the ailerons and just assumed
>>> that these would be good for the elevators as well. Is this faulty
>>> thinking or unnecessary complication?
>>>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision |
I am very curious to know what the safety concerns are with using piano hinge on
the elevators.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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Somebody better tell Sonex about these dangerous piano hinges....
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Michael,
I can trump that.....many of us Zenith guys have the dangerous hinge-less or flex
hinge ailerons. Some say we cheat death every time we fly.
Hmmm, I wonder it I can incorporate this design into my Aircamper?? Lots and lots
of dope, maybe
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Zodiac 601 XL-B: flying, 220+ hours now
Next project under construction: Finish my father's Aircamper
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| Subject: | Re: stall characteristics |
NX18235 stalls very gently. It just gives a gentle buffet and the nose
mushes down. The Johnson airspeed indicator is bouncing around at some
ridiculously low number during this.
This is with the original Pietenpol airfoil.
No stall warning system is installed other than "the seat of my pants."
Greg Cardinal
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From: "giacummo" <mario.giacummo@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 12:54 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: stall characteristics
> <mario.giacummo@gmail.com>
>
> Hello,
>
> Before anything, its nice to see Kevin back again with a lesson in hand.
> By the moment my wife don read this mails... thanks God, because if she do
> it, my project finished in the fireplace [Wink]
>
> July was a hard month, and even august.. I did't work on the airplane, but
> I read a lot abot a lot of things.. one of them was stall, how,
> when,devices, etc, etc.
>
> What are the Pietenpol stall characteristics?.. do you use any warning
> device?.. what kind of them?...
>
> If you can ilustrate me a little about this ..
>
> Thnak you.
>
> --------
> Mario Giacummo
> http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380301#380301
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision |
FYI, Tony's yellow book page 74, CONTROL HINGES.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: 90 Year Old Piet Builder |
Visited Mr. Royer a couple of years ago. he was a navigator in a PBY, retired from
heating/ac/plumbing business, a real inspiration. His shop isn't all that
big,but he made some jigs, to turn the fuse., wings. Super can do attitude, just
a real joy. He was working on the fuse., wings framed up when we visited. made
a lot of tools from old furnace motors, grinders,polishers, and he restored
,I believe, 5 automobiles , one for each child, makes me think what am I doing????
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Our local news aired a blurb about him today. I was impressed that as he rolled
his plane out, my wife recognized what it was!
Michael Perez
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Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Quick Progress Update |
Picture's worth a 1000 words. Day 16 of recovery. I still have to use a walker.
Several of you saw me on days 2 and 3 and can verify what Shelley says: there's
a remarkable difference from then to now. I didn't look in a mirror so
I'll take your word.
I'm pointing at the broken femur, which I'm holding up on my own.
Thank you for your thoughts, prayers, help and love.
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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| Subject: | Re: For Sale: N8031 |
Enough of this CRAZY talk. The CRAZY quota in my life is filled at the moment.
You are free to retract this post so my cup doesn't runneth over.
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Shelley Tumino
IT Girl
wife of "Axel"
NX899KP
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Kevin, its good to see you up. We've been thinking about you and
Shelley a lot the past few weeks. Your smile is a welcome sign of
progress. Can't wait to see how your next new Piet will turn out.
Cheers, Ken
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On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 8:52 PM, kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> wrote:
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> Picture's worth a 1000 words. Day 16 of recovery. I still have to use a walker.
Several of you saw me on days 2 and 3 and can verify what Shelley says:
there's a remarkable difference from then to now. I didn't look in a mirror
so I'll take your word.
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> I'm pointing at the broken femur, which I'm holding up on my own.
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> Thank you for your thoughts, prayers, help and love.
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> Kevin "Axel" Purtee
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Having raised twin daughters over the last 21 years, you have just reminded me
as to why I am JUST now getting to build my Piet... I forgot all the expense of
raising daughters, and now college, and one wedding, and car repairs for them,
and college, and car repairs, oh yeah, that WEDDING, and...
Heck Dan... Keep the Piet. You'll need the relaxation!
Mark
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| Subject: | Re: Quick Progress Update |
Kevin... Although we've never met in person, I feel I am a qualified judge in regards
to your recovery, as I am sitting here watching the Olympics with my daughter
while catching up on Piet news. As such, I am feeling like judging the
one foot balancing event, which is a new Olympic sport that I see you have entered.
Considering the events of the last 2 weeks or so, I give you a 9.7 on the balancing
act, and a 10 on the smile and progress.
Shelley gets a 10 for praying you through this (as well as many others), and for
not making you get up to get all of your own drinks and food out of the fridge
for 16 days.
Good to see you getting back on your foot (you're only standing on ONE! :D)
Mark
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