---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 08/08/12: 72 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:16 AM - Re: Quick Progress Update (tdudley@umn.edu) 2. 02:25 AM - Re: Quick Progress Update (Faith Maltese Kuri) 3. 03:07 AM - Re: Quick Progress Update (Bill Church) 4. 03:41 AM - Re: Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision (helspersew@aol.com) 5. 03:46 AM - Re: Quick Progress Update (helspersew@aol.com) 6. 04:47 AM - Kevin's Balancing Act (woodflier@aol.com) 7. 05:19 AM - Re: Quick Progress Update (curtdm(at)gmail.com) 8. 05:21 AM - Re: Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision (steve emo) 9. 05:24 AM - Re: Quick Progress Update (AircamperN11MS) 10. 05:28 AM - Re: Quick Progress Update (Gary Boothe) 11. 05:55 AM - Re: Quick Progress Update (TOM STINEMETZE) 12. 08:18 AM - Circuit Breakers (Jack@textors.com) 13. 08:26 AM - Re: Circuit Breakers (tools) 14. 09:12 AM - Re: Quick Progress Update (IT Girl) 15. 09:14 AM - Re: Quick Progress Update (IT Girl) 16. 09:22 AM - Re: Quick Progress Update (dwilson) 17. 09:23 AM - Re: Sonex (AircamperN11MS) 18. 09:30 AM - Re: Kevin's Balancing Act (IT Girl) 19. 09:30 AM - Re: Re: Sonex (John Hofmann) 20. 09:37 AM - Re: Sonex (AircamperN11MS) 21. 09:43 AM - Re: Quick Progress Update (Jim Boyer) 22. 09:50 AM - Re: stall characteristics (giacummo) 23. 09:56 AM - Re: Re: Quick Progress Update (airlion) 24. 10:06 AM - Re: Re: Quick Progress Update (Jack Phillips) 25. 10:42 AM - Re: Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision (mike Hardaway) 26. 11:17 AM - "RE-PIET" FLEW!!!!!!!!!!!! (Douwe Blumberg) 27. 11:25 AM - Douwe's Pietenpol flew today! (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]) 28. 11:26 AM - Re: "RE-PIET" FLEW!!!!!!!!!!!! (John Hofmann) 29. 11:27 AM - Re: Douwe's Pietenpol flew today! (AircamperN11MS) 30. 11:29 AM - Re: "RE-PIET" FLEW!!!!!!!!!!!! (helspersew@aol.com) 31. 11:47 AM - Re: "RE-PIET" FLEW!!!!!!!!!!!! (Jack@textors.com) 32. 11:56 AM - Re: "RE-PIET" FLEW!!!!!!!!!!!! (Mark Roberts) 33. 12:14 PM - Re: "RE-PIET" FLEW!!!!!!!!!!!! (K5YAC) 34. 12:20 PM - Re: "RE-PIET" FLEW!!!!!!!!!!!! (Chris Rusch) 35. 12:30 PM - Re: "RE-PIET" FLEW!!!!!!!!!!!! (John Francis) 36. 12:49 PM - Re: "RE-PIET" FLEW!!!!!!!!!!!! (Jim Boyer) 37. 12:55 PM - Re: "RE-PIET" FLEW!!!!!!!!!!!! (Bill Church) 38. 12:56 PM - Re: "RE-PIET" FLEW!!!!!!!!!!!! (gboothe5@comcast.net) 39. 01:05 PM - Re: "RE-PIET" FLEW!!!!!!!!!!!! (Jerry Dotson) 40. 01:58 PM - Re: "RE-PIET" FLEW!!!!!!!!!!!! (bender) 41. 02:15 PM - Another Piet is Born (gboothe5@comcast.net) 42. 02:51 PM - Re: Sonex (DaveG601XL) 43. 03:02 PM - Re: Another Piet is Born (Bill Church) 44. 03:03 PM - Re: "RE-PIET" FLEW!!!!!!!!!!!! (giacummo) 45. 03:09 PM - Re: Another Piet is Born - the rest of the story... (Gary Boothe) 46. 03:42 PM - Re: Another Piet is Born (helspersew@aol.com) 47. 03:55 PM - Re: Another Piet is Born (Michael Groah) 48. 04:27 PM - Douwe's LIGHT tail (nightmare) 49. 04:40 PM - Re: Another Piet is Born (curtdm(at)gmail.com) 50. 04:41 PM - Re: "RE-PIET" FLEW!!!!!!!!!!!! (kevinpurtee) 51. 04:42 PM - Re: Another Piet is Born (kevinpurtee) 52. 04:48 PM - Re: Another Piet is Born (echobravo4) 53. 04:53 PM - Re: Quick Progress Update (kevinpurtee) 54. 04:54 PM - Re: "RE-PIET" FLEW!!!!!!!!!!!! (echobravo4) 55. 05:19 PM - Re: Re: Another Piet is Born (Gary Boothe) 56. 05:27 PM - T.C. is watching (Lawrence Williams) 57. 06:04 PM - Re: T.C. is watching (IT Girl) 58. 06:08 PM - Re: "RE-PIET" FLEW!!!!!!!!!!!! (shad bell) 59. 07:00 PM - Re: Re: More Pietenpol Roots in Oklahoma (aircamperace@yahoo.com) 60. 07:16 PM - Re: "RE-PIET" FLEW!!!!!!!!!!!! (johnwoods@westnet.com.au) 61. 07:21 PM - Re: "RE-PIET" FLEW!!!!!!!!!!!! (Dan Yocum) 62. 07:30 PM - Re: T.C. is watching (Dan Yocum) 63. 07:32 PM - Re: Another Piet is Born - the rest of the story... (Dan Yocum) 64. 07:34 PM - Re: Another Piet is Born (Dan Yocum) 65. 07:36 PM - Re: T.C. is watching (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB) 66. 08:03 PM - Re: T.C. is watching (Dave and Connie) 67. 08:05 PM - Good information on turning back to the runway (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB) 68. 09:18 PM - Some disassembly required (Ken Bickers) 69. 09:28 PM - Re: T.C. is watching (K5YAC) 70. 10:26 PM - Re: T.C. is watching (DO NOT ARCHIVE) 71. 10:32 PM - Re: T.C. is watching (DO NOT ARCHIVE) 72. 10:45 PM - Re: Good information on turning back to the runway (Ryan Mueller) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:16:52 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Quick Progress Update From: "tdudley@umn.edu" Kevin, When I am not building my Piet I make my living rodding/nailing femurs and fixing broken bones. I met you and Mark Chouinard together briefly at Oshkosh last year (the EAA welding seminar) and I don't suspect you remember, but I've been following your progress on the list. For what it's worth, I firmly believe people recover from their injuries with attitude, love, and prayer. From the picture you posted, it's clear you have all three. Best wishes for your continued good progress and recovery. You are ahead of schedule from what I can tell. They must have good Docs at Madison (not as good, maybe, as the University of Minnesota, but that is open for debate!). Tom Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380363#380363 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:25:28 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Quick Progress Update From: Faith Maltese Kuri WOW.....Look at you. I can't believe there was ever anything wrong. You lo ok terrific and we are all so happy you are on your road to a complete reco very. Keep up the mending work. Faith Maltese (John Recine's Cousin) -----Original Message----- From: kevinpurtee Sent: Tue, Aug 7, 2012 10:53 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Quick Progress Update il> Picture's worth a 1000 words. Day 16 of recovery. I still have to use a alker. Several of you saw me on days 2 and 3 and can verify what Shelley ays: there's a remarkable difference from then to now. I didn't look in a irror so I'll take your word. I'm pointing at the broken femur, which I'm holding up on my own. Thank you for your thoughts, prayers, help and love. do not archive -------- evin "Axel" Purtee X899KP ustin/San Marcos, TX ead this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380354#380354 ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/day_16_of_recovery_128.jpg -======================== -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:07:18 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Quick Progress Update From: "Bill Church" Ugh... That dress... Those shoes... BC do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380368#380368 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:41:35 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision From: helspersew@aol.com Guys, Has there ever been any dynamic testing done on the repeated opening and cl osing of piano lids during times of high winds? Say, during a hurricane? ju st curious. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN do not archive -----Original Message----- From: Michael Perez Sent: Tue, Aug 7, 2012 4:05 pm Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision I am very curious to know what the safety concerns are with using piano hin ge on the elevators. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:46:20 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Quick Progress Update From: helspersew@aol.com Hi Kevin, Great to hear the good news on the healing/recovery. Remarkable. It won't b e long till you get back to the workshop. All the best. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN do not archive ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:47:10 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Kevin's Balancing Act From: woodflier@aol.com Kevin, you look a heck of a lot better than the last time we saw you. Now w e want to see Shelley looking equally rested and relaxed. Thanks for the vi sual update. Matt and Lynne Paxton ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:19:53 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Quick Progress Update From: "curtdm(at)gmail.com" Kevin, It's great to see you up on your own one foot. One could mistake you for Captain Morgan. I noticed Dan Yocum is offering a quick build solution for you. You know Bill Church is making fun of how your walking with a walker;) Thanks for the update! -------- Curt Merdan Flower Mound, TX Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380373#380373 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:21:47 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision From: steve emo I offer the following.... The hinge supports the force produced by the change in the surfaces position, that being gravity and/or the aero forces. The main difference between a piano hinge and a =93regular=94 hinge is the diameter of the hing e pin and the length. A piano hinge pin is much smaller in diameter. From a simplest point of view the hinge pin is in shear. The load on the hinge pin is the total force divide by the sum cross sectional areas on the hinge pin in the ideal case.. On the surface a piano hinge should actually be stronger. The problem comes with deflection of the mounting surfaces. If the (more correctly when!) the mounting surfaces deflect it concentrates the load (force) at more of a point or two. The idealized load is no longer evenly distributed across the hinge length. The moral to the story is the hinge pin diameter needs to be able to support the entire load at a single point, if there is the potential for deflection (bending). Then there are the binding and pinching issues when the surface deflects. Final note, the Piet=92s design aileron and elevators loads and structural stiffness=92s are totally different. It seems to me that the elevator and rudder surface are not nearly as stiff as the aileron. Steve On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 5:03 PM, Gene Rambo wrote: > > Attachment method is not the issue. And, a piano lid is not opened and > closed repeatedly to high stress levels ...and you wouldn't die if the li d > came off. > > On Aug 7, 2012, at 4:43 PM, Dan Yocum wrote: > > > > > How are they weaker than the standard hinges? If they're attached to > > the wood with the same method, there will be more attach points than th e > > standard hinges and, oh, I dunno - have you ever lifted a piano cover? > > Them's heavy! > > > > No, I disagree. I think piano hinges will be strong and safe enough. > > > > Dan > > > > On 08/07/2012 02:10 PM, Gene Rambo wrote: > >> In my humble opinion piano hinges are not appropriate or strong enough > >> for elevators. They might be strong "enough", but not to multiples for > >> safety's sake. There is too much riding on those hinges, and a failure > >> there WILL kill you. > >> > >> Gene > >> Do not archive > >> > >> On Aug 7, 2012, at 2:42 PM, "Allan Macklem" >> > wrote: > >> > >>> Jack, I=92m not critiquing you design or skills, just have a question .. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> I=92m planning on using piano hinges for the ailerons and just assume d > >>> that these would be good for the elevators as well. Is this faulty > >>> thinking or unnecessary complication? > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:24:35 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Quick Progress Update From: "AircamperN11MS" Wow, How do you do that???? It takes my body weeks for a cut to heal. Great to see you up and smiling. Next week you will be hopping one foot and cutting ribs all at the same time. Good Job, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380375#380375 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:28:58 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Quick Progress Update I'm glad to see that the 2x4 didn't leave very many marks....especially since there wasn't any fire. Gary Boothe NX308MB Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kevinpurtee Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 7:53 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Quick Progress Update --> Picture's worth a 1000 words. Day 16 of recovery. I still have to use a walker. Several of you saw me on days 2 and 3 and can verify what Shelley says: there's a remarkable difference from then to now. I didn't look in a mirror so I'll take your word. I'm pointing at the broken femur, which I'm holding up on my own. Thank you for your thoughts, prayers, help and love. do not archive -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/San Marcos, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380354#380354 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/day_16_of_recovery_128.jpg ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:55:25 AM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Quick Progress Update Axel: That picture warms my heart. I don't look that good even when I'm at 100 percent. Stinemetze do not archive >>> "kevinpurtee" 8/7/2012 9:52 PM >>> Picture's worth a 1000 words. Day 16 of recovery. I still have to use a walker. Several of you saw me on days 2 and 3 and can verify what Shelley says: there's a remarkable difference from then to now. I didn't look in a mirror so I'll take your word. I'm pointing at the broken femur, which I'm holding up on my own. Thank you for your thoughts, prayers, help and love. do not archive -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/San Marcos, TX ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:18:10 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Circuit Breakers From: "Jack@textors.com" Is there a way to test the push to reset breakers? Thanks! Jack Textor Sent from my iPad ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:26:56 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Circuit Breakers From: "tools" Set up a circuit (e=ir) to run it near max capacity, make sure it doesn't blow, then again above rated capacity, make sure it does. However, many circuit breakers are only warranted until they blow THE FIRST time, then the warranty is void. Seriously. More normal way to check it, put it inline between battery terminals then short circuit them. Not nearly as precise, but generally lets you know that it's working. Many commercial electricians find the circuit they want to work on, by shorting it out and then finding the tripped breaker. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380384#380384 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:12:07 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Quick Progress Update From: "IT Girl" [quote="helspersew(at)aol.com"]Hi Kevin, Great to hear the good news on the healing/recovery. Remarkable. It won't be long till you get back to the workshop. All the best. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN do not archive > [b] In the workshop next week for rehab, both for Kevin and FBG! Jim Markle will be here to help! -------- Shelley Tumino IT Girl wife of "Axel" NX899KP DO NOT ARCHIVE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380403#380403 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:14:00 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Quick Progress Update From: "IT Girl" AircamperN11MS wrote: > Wow, How do you do that???? It takes my body weeks for a cut to heal. Great to see you up and smiling. > > Next week you will be hopping one foot and cutting ribs all at the same time. > > Good Job, He has been hopping on one foot to demonstrate to people how he is doing... hopping on LEFT foot, not right foot. He is getting there. Thanks for the kind words. -------- Shelley Tumino IT Girl wife of "Axel" NX899KP DO NOT ARCHIVE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380404#380404 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:22:51 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Quick Progress Update From: "dwilson" As Billy Crystal would say " Kevin, you look MARVELOUS." Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380405#380405 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:23:12 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sonex From: "AircamperN11MS" Those hinge-less ailerons work good. I did the phase one test flights on my friends 601 HDS. My only complaint I had was that my arm would get tired if I did too much pattern work in crosswinds. They are stiffer than most other planes. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380406#380406 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 09:30:37 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Kevin's Balancing Act From: "IT Girl" I'll get there, although not as fast as he does. Thanks for thinking of us. -------- Shelley Tumino IT Girl wife of "Axel" NX899KP DO NOT ARCHIVE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380407#380407 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 09:30:44 AM PST US From: John Hofmann Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sonex They will get less stiff as metal fatigue sets in. do not archive John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2424 American Lane Madison, WI 53704 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com On Aug 8, 2012, at 11:23 AM, AircamperN11MS wrote: > > Those hinge-less ailerons work good. I did the phase one test flights on my friends 601 HDS. My only complaint I had was that my arm would get tired if I did too much pattern work in crosswinds. They are stiffer than most other planes. > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380406#380406 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 09:37:53 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sonex From: "AircamperN11MS" Oh, I thought they would work harden and get stiffer. But what do I know??? -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380409#380409 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 09:43:39 AM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Quick Progress Update Hi Kevin, Glad to see you up and walking; doesn't look like you will need that walker for long. It is amazing how fast something like a broken bone can heal! Keep up the getting better. Cheers, Jim B. do not archive ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 09:50:00 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: stall characteristics From: "giacummo" resuming, no stall warning, the feelings are enough. isn't it? thank you. -------- Mario Giacummo http://vgmk1.blogspot.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380412#380412 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 09:56:50 AM PST US From: airlion Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Quick Progress Update ITS GREAT TO HEAR OF YOUR PROGRESS KEVIN. IS IT TOO TOUCHY TO ASK HOW YOU BROKE YOUR FEMUR? i GUESS ALL OF US MAY WANT PUT IN A FIX FOR THAT IF IT IS POSSIBLE. KEEP UP THE GOOD RECOVERY. YOU ARE LOOKING GREAT.Gardiner ----- Original Message ---- From: IT Girl Sent: Wed, August 8, 2012 12:21:53 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Quick Progress Update [quote="helspersew(at)aol.com"]Hi Kevin, Great to hear the good news on the healing/recovery. Remarkable. It won't be long till you get back to the workshop. All the best. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN do not archive > [b] In the workshop next week for rehab, both for Kevin and FBG! Jim Markle will be here to help! -------- Shelley Tumino IT Girl wife of "Axel" NX899KP DO NOT ARCHIVE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380403#380403 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 10:06:53 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Quick Progress Update Let us know when he can hop on the right foot. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of IT Girl Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 12:14 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Quick Progress Update AircamperN11MS wrote: > Wow, How do you do that???? It takes my body weeks for a cut to heal. Great to see you up and smiling. > > Next week you will be hopping one foot and cutting ribs all at the same time. > > Good Job, He has been hopping on one foot to demonstrate to people how he is doing... hopping on LEFT foot, not right foot. He is getting there. Thanks for the kind words. -------- Shelley Tumino IT Girl wife of "Axel" NX899KP DO NOT ARCHIVE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380404#380404 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 10:42:33 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision From: mike Hardaway Piano hinges are certainly being tested in a lot of wind in this thread. Mike hardaway Please, do not archive On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 3:41 AM, wrote: > Guys, > > Has there ever been any dynamic testing done on the repeated opening and > closing of piano lids during times of high winds? Say, during a hurricane? > just curious. > > Dan Helsper > Puryear, TN do not archive > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Perez > To: pietenpol-list > Sent: Tue, Aug 7, 2012 4:05 pm > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: rudder and elevator hinge decision > > I am very curious to know what the safety concerns are with using piano > hinge on the elevators. > > Michael Perez > Pietenpol HINT Videos > Karetaker Aero > www.karetakeraero.com > > * > > " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > tp://forums.matronics.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > * > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 11:17:22 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: "RE-PIET" FLEW!!!!!!!!!!!! Well, after ten years of work and one MAJOR setback and rebuild (hence the name RE-PIET) NX799B successfully flew this morning! I am in the process of posting the video on youtube and will send the link as soon as I can get my kid to do it for me. My test pilot who is also my instructor flies the Ford trimotor for the EAA, is an acrobatic instructor and has tons of big biplane time. He also weighs 225lbs. While my empty weight (TOW for those overseas) was heavy at 816 with oil, her CG was very good. She can carry a 230 pounder with 12 gallons before we get to 20", and can carry a 200 pounder with 20 gallons before we hit our rear CG. The weight is all forward and the heaviness is attributable to the use of douglas fir, C-90 with starter, generator and battery. A 20 gal wing tank, mufflers, sidepipes and heavy landing gear. However, I made the tail VERY light and it paid off. I'm using a Cloud Car prop and the combo of the C-90 and that prop seems to really help her climb. Here's the scoop. Tail was up before 2,000rpm, she evidently "levitated" off the pavement after maybe a 100ft roll and climbed VERY well. I have it on video which I'm posting. We don't know what she climbed at but from his experience he guessed 6-700fpm. All I know is we were two thirds down a 4,000 runway, he took off from the far end and before he was halfway to us was at 200 ft and turning away from the airport. The climb was deceptively steep, kind of like a big biplane. Just kind of goes up like an elevator, but very slowly. He says she flies hands off and the rigging doesn't need to be changed. Stalls very straight and kind of mushes. Did two very tight circles, he said about 2.5 g's and she showed no tendency to do anything bad. Got her up to about 100 in a shallow dive and the wings didn't come off. She landed easily on the pavement and tracked straight and true. Smoke system worked too, though I got oil on my tail. I have to modify the brake cables as the inner housing pulled through the plastic housing during run up, so I have to find some stouter cable ends. My instructor comes back on the 27th, at which time we'll fly the champ a bit and then off I go!! GOD IS GOOD. Douwe Ps. Keving, I can't believe that picture of you! PSS. DAN, I was hoping to fly formation with you next year!! ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 11:25:07 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Douwe's Pietenpol flew today! Incredibly GREAT news Douwe! The first (possibly) of many congratulations to you and Marci! Mike C. ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 11:26:27 AM PST US From: John Hofmann Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: "RE-PIET" FLEW!!!!!!!!!!!! Douwe, This is fantastic news. Best of luck. -john- do not archive ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 11:27:35 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Douwe's Pietenpol flew today! From: "AircamperN11MS" Worth RE-PIETing, Congratulations !!!!!!!!!!!!! -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380425#380425 ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 11:29:06 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: "RE-PIET" FLEW!!!!!!!!!!!! From: helspersew@aol.com Oooh Hoooo!! Yea baby!! Can't wait to see the vid!! Congrats my friend!! do not achive Dan Helsper Puryear, TN I ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 11:47:21 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: "RE-PIET" FLEW!!!!!!!!!!!! From: "Jack@textors.com" Douwe congratulations, fantastic news! Was that your first run on the engin e or did you break-in on the ground? Jack Textor Sent from my iPad On Aug 8, 2012, at 1:16 PM, "Douwe Blumberg" w rote: > Well, after ten years of work and one MAJOR setback and rebuild (hence the name RE-PIET) NX799B successfully flew this morning! > > I am in the process of posting the video on youtube and will send the link as soon as I can get my kid to do it for me > > My test pilot who is also my instructor flies the Ford trimotor for the EA A, is an acrobatic instructor and has tons of big biplane time. He also wei ghs 225lbs. > > While my empty weight (TOW for those overseas) was heavy at 816 with oil, h er CG was very good. She can carry a 230 pounder with 12 gallons before we g et to 20=9D, and can carry a 200 pounder with 20 gallons before we hit our rear CG. The weight is all forward and the heaviness is attributable t o the use of douglas fir, C-90 with starter, generator and battery. A 20 ga l wing tank, mufflers, sidepipes and heavy landing gear. However, I made th e tail VERY light and it paid off. I=99m using a Cloud Car prop and t he combo of the C-90 and that prop seems to really help her climb. > > Here=99s the scoop. > > Tail was up before 2,000rpm, she evidently =9Clevitated=9D off the pavement after maybe a 100ft roll and climbed VERY well. I have it on v ideo which I=99m posting. We don=99t know what she climbed at b ut from his experience he guessed 6-700fpm. All I know is we were two third s down a 4,000 runway, he took off from the far end and before he was halfwa y to us was at 200 ft and turning away from the airport. The climb was dece ptively steep, kind of like a big biplane. Just kind of goes up like an ele vator, but very slowly. > > He says she flies hands off and the rigging doesn=99t need to be cha nged. Stalls very straight and kind of mushes. Did two very tight circles, he said about 2.5 g=99s and she showed no tendency to do anything bad . Got her up to about 100 in a shallow dive and the wings didn=99t co me off. She landed easily on the pavement and tracked straight and true. S moke system worked too, though I got oil on my tail. > > I have to modify the brake cables as the inner housing pulled through the p lastic housing during run up, so I have to find some stouter cable ends. My instructor comes back on the 27th, at which time we=99ll fly the cham p a bit and then off I go!! > > GOD IS GOOD > > Douwe > > Ps. Keving, I can=99t believe that picture of you! > > PSS. DAN, I was hoping to fly formation with you next year!! > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 11:56:27 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: "RE-PIET" FLEW!!!!!!!!!!!! From: "Mark Roberts" Well done good and faithful servant! Here's to many happy years of Pieting! or... RE_PIETING! (Kinda sounds like last night's dinner acting up... Re-Pieting...) Mark -------- do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380430#380430 ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 12:14:27 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: "RE-PIET" FLEW!!!!!!!!!!!! From: "K5YAC" Congratulations Douwe! Can't imagine how that must feel. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380431#380431 ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 12:20:44 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: "RE-PIET" FLEW!!!!!!!!!!!! From: "Chris Rusch" Douwe ,Thats Awesome!!! cant wait to see the video. Must be a huge relief. Do not archive. -------- NX321LR Fully Assembled Tail assembly and ailerons covered and painted. Wings to be covered next. Mistubishi Powered Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380433#380433 ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 12:30:01 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: "RE-PIET" FLEW!!!!!!!!!!!! From: "John Francis" Cool beans. Congrats Douwe! do not archive -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380434#380434 ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 12:49:40 PM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: "RE-PIET" FLEW!!!!!!!!!!!! Wow, congratulaltions Douwe!!! Re-Piet is beautiful and now a full fledged airplane. Looking forward to seeing her next year at Brodhead. Jim B. ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 12:55:45 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: "RE-PIET" FLEW!!!!!!!!!!!! From: "Bill Church" Excellent news! Congratulations on finally achieving lift-off. Especially after overcoming such a major obstacle. Bill C. do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380436#380436 ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 12:56:06 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: "RE-PIET" FLEW!!!!!!!!!!!! From: gboothe5@comcast.net VmVyeSBzd2VldCwgRG91d2UhIExvb2tpbmcgZm9yd2FyZCB0byB5b3VyIGZpcnN0IGZsaWdodCwg dG9vIQ0KDQpEbyBub3QgYXJjaGl2ZQ0KU2VudCBvbiB0aGUgU3ByaW50riBOb3cgTmV0d29yayBm cm9tIG15IEJsYWNrQmVycnmuDQoNCi0tLS0tT3JpZ2luYWwgTWVzc2FnZS0tLS0tDQpGcm9tOiAi RG91d2UgQmx1bWJlcmciIDxkb3V3ZWJsdW1iZXJnQGVhcnRobGluay5uZXQ+DQpTZW5kZXI6IG93 bmVyLXBpZXRlbnBvbC1saXN0LXNlcnZlckBtYXRyb25pY3MuY29tDQpEYXRlOiBXZWQsIDggQXVn IDIwMTIgMTQ6MTY6NTkgDQpUbzogcGlldGVucG9sZ3JvdXA8cGlldGVucG9sLWxpc3RAbWF0cm9u aWNzLmNvbT4NClJlcGx5LVRvOiBwaWV0ZW5wb2wtbGlzdEBtYXRyb25pY3MuY29tU3ViamVjdDog UGlldGVucG9sLUxpc3Q6ICJSRS1QSUVUIiBGTEVXISEhISEhISEhISEhICANCg0KVGhpcyBpcyBh IG11bHRpLXBhcnQgbWVzc2FnZSBpbiBNSU1FIGZvcm1hdC4NCg0K ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 01:05:08 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: "RE-PIET" FLEW!!!!!!!!!!!! From: "Jerry Dotson" Hoo waa great day. We need to get/keep a count for 2012 on first flights. Mr Boothe getting the pink slip today I think. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 First flight June 16,2012 Started building July, 2009 21" wheels Lycoming O-235 C2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380438#380438 ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 01:58:55 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: "RE-PIET" FLEW!!!!!!!!!!!! From: "bender" Wow..! congrats... i can't wait for that day myself.. looking forward to the video jeff do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380441#380441 ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 02:15:23 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another Piet is Born From: gboothe5@comcast.net NX308MB just became an airplane! The inspection was quite pleasant...I'll fill you in on those pesky hose clamp safeties when I get back to my computer. Mike Groah - Meet me at 1,000' south of Lodi...and, may the best man win! Gary from Cool Do not Archive Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 02:51:29 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sonex From: "DaveG601XL" Given the design of the hinge-less aileron system, there is no fatigue or work hardening that will occur in several lifetimes of the aircraft. To reduce the stiffness that I and "AircamperN11MS" have experienced, Zenith introduced a re-designed bellcrank that increased the mechanical advantage of the stick. The aileron is much better balanced to the elevator forces now. My apologies for going off-topic into aluminum aircraft. Still do not archive. -------- David Gallagher Zodiac 601 XL-B: flying, 220+ hours now Next project under construction: Finish my father's Aircamper Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380446#380446 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/ch_hingeless_aileron_196.pdf ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 03:02:36 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another Piet is Born From: "Bill Church" Woo Hoo! Great news, Gary. Bill C. do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380448#380448 ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 03:03:45 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: "RE-PIET" FLEW!!!!!!!!!!!! From: "giacummo" Douwe, FELICITACIONES desde Sud America!!!! Buenos vientos y muchas millas como dice por aca ;o))) -------- Mario Giacummo http://vgmk1.blogspot.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380449#380449 ________________________________ Message 45 ____________________________________ Time: 03:09:07 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Another Piet is Born - the rest of the story... It seems that Mr. Dilbeck has seen two examples of hose clamp failure, both of which were caught in time. One was what appeared to be a compressing of the rubber, which led to the clamp loosening, then rotating and rubbing on a fuel line. The other was a fuel line hose clamp that had an internal failure of some sort (he guessed it was over-tightened), and was doing no clamping at all....there was evidence of fuel leakage. I'm not sure how a safety wire would have helped in either case. He confessed that his preference for seeing the safety wire was merely personal, and could only make recommendations. Below, is a picture of my tail wheel, after he changed the cotter pin: Not too clear, but he has taken the part of the pin that is normally bent over the bolt, and curled it around to tuck into a notch on the nut. He recommends this in areas where something may catch on the cotter pin, causing it to lose its position, catch a 'tag-along' or cause bodily harm, such as around our feet and legs in the cockpit. He was a pleasant, concerned and helpful individual, fully prepared with paperwork, and the whole thing went well. He voluntarily assigned me a 50 mile radius, only because he feels 25 isn't enough, as a pilot might tend to get bored with the 'race track'. Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gboothe5@comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 2:15 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another Piet is Born gboothe5@comcast.net NX308MB just became an airplane! The inspection was quite pleasant...I'll fill you in on those pesky hose clamp safeties when I get back to my computer. Mike Groah - Meet me at 1,000' south of Lodi...and, may the best man win! Gary from Cool Do not Archive Sent on the SprintR Now Network from my BlackBerryR http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 46 ____________________________________ Time: 03:42:42 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Another Piet is Born From: helspersew@aol.com Congratulations Gary!!! Very cool. Can't wait to see your ship fly!! Dan helsper Puryear, TN do not archive -----Original Message----- From: gboothe5 Sent: Wed, Aug 8, 2012 4:15 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another Piet is Born NX308MB just became an airplane! The inspection was quite pleasant...I'll f ill you in on those pesky hose clamp safeties when I get back to my computer. Mike Groah - Meet me at 1,000' south of Lodi...and, may the best man win! Gary from Cool Do not Archive Sent on the Sprint=C2=AE Now Network from my BlackBerry=C2=AE ________________________________ Message 47 ____________________________________ Time: 03:55:58 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Another Piet is Born From: Michael Groah Awesome Gary!!!!! Congrats. And I accept your challenge. The race to forty hours is on! I'm ahead at 0.9 hrs! Mike Groah Do not archive Sent from my iPhone On Aug 8, 2012, at 2:14 PM, gboothe5@comcast.net wrote: > > NX308MB just became an airplane! The inspection was quite pleasant...I'll fill you in on those pesky hose clamp safeties when I get back to my computer. > > Mike Groah - Meet me at 1,000' south of Lodi...and, may the best man win! > > Gary from Cool > Do not Archive > > Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry > > > > > ________________________________ Message 48 ____________________________________ Time: 04:27:39 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Douwe's LIGHT tail From: "nightmare" Douwe, Im also building with doug fir, would love to hear any weight savings tips, especially the tail. thanks; Paul -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380461#380461 ________________________________ Message 49 ____________________________________ Time: 04:40:44 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another Piet is Born From: "curtdm(at)gmail.com" Gary, Congratulations! You built one fine machine (now an airplane)! I hope it takes flight very soon. You have 50 weeks to fly off 40 hours. Thats less than 1 hour a week! You can do it! p.s. Thanks for the taxi time! -------- Curt Merdan Flower Mound, TX Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380462#380462 ________________________________ Message 50 ____________________________________ Time: 04:41:34 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: "RE-PIET" FLEW!!!!!!!!!!!! From: "kevinpurtee" Congratulations, Douwe! Looking forward to joining you at Brodhead in a couple of years:) do not archive -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/San Marcos, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380463#380463 ________________________________ Message 51 ____________________________________ Time: 04:42:19 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another Piet is Born From: "kevinpurtee" Proud to know you, Gary! do not archive -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/San Marcos, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380464#380464 ________________________________ Message 52 ____________________________________ Time: 04:48:41 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another Piet is Born From: "echobravo4" Congratulations Gary! now you can really use those chocks! Earl do not archive -------- Earl Brown I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I intended to be. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380465#380465 ________________________________ Message 53 ____________________________________ Time: 04:53:45 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Quick Progress Update From: "kevinpurtee" @Gardiner - As mentioned in my "Lessons Learned" post: land straight ahead following a power failure on takeoff as we've been taught. Turning can lead to loss of lift, falling out of the sky, nose down, right wing low. Most of my injuries were from hitting my right side when the aircraft struck the ground. I'll give some more thoughts on how the survivability aspects of the crash played out. Need to spend a bit more time with the plane looking at the damage. Gary has admitted that my broken nose was from him stepping on me... Thanks to all of you for your thoughts and prayers. This is a great group and God is great! -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/San Marcos, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380466#380466 ________________________________ Message 54 ____________________________________ Time: 04:54:06 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: "RE-PIET" FLEW!!!!!!!!!!!! From: "echobravo4" congratulations Douwe! thats great! Earl Do not archive -------- Earl Brown I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I intended to be. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380467#380467 ________________________________ Message 55 ____________________________________ Time: 05:19:45 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another Piet is Born My wife wants to know why I bring them home every night to clean them... Gary Boothe NX308MB Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of echobravo4 Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 4:49 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another Piet is Born Congratulations Gary! now you can really use those chocks! Earl do not archive -------- Earl Brown I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I intended to be. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380465#380465 ________________________________ Message 56 ____________________________________ Time: 05:27:18 PM PST US From: Lawrence Williams Subject: Pietenpol-List: T.C. is watching Even though I'm in B.C. I still have (limited) access to a computer when I can find one. With all the back-dated digests I see, a lot is happening BUT... even though it's nice to send well wishes to Kevin and say how groovy Douwe 's reincarnation is along with various other topics, please remember that s omeone searching the archives in 5-10 years won't even know who they are. I n other words.... DO NOT ARCHIVE - more of your forgettable "postcards" and save the archive space for the thi ngs that will be helpful in the future. Larry "Top Curmudgeon" Williamsnot flying (bad wx) in Pemberton, B.C. do not archive ________________________________ Message 57 ____________________________________ Time: 06:04:44 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: T.C. is watching From: "IT Girl" love you Larry!! -------- Shelley Tumino IT Girl wife of "Axel" NX899KP DO NOT ARCHIVE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380470#380470 ________________________________ Message 58 ____________________________________ Time: 06:08:44 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: "RE-PIET" FLEW!!!!!!!!!!!! Congradulations, Douwe!=C2- If you can fly the champ you'll have no troub le with piet.=C2- It just doesn't float=C2-compared to=C2-the champ. =C2- Good Luck And God bless, =C2- Shad Don't Archive --- On Wed, 8/8/12, Douwe Blumberg wrote: From: Douwe Blumberg Subject: Pietenpol-List: "RE-PIET" FLEW!!!!!!!!!!!! Well, after ten years of work and one MAJOR setback and rebuild (hence the name RE-PIET) NX799B successfully flew this morning! =C2- I am in the process of posting the video on youtube and will send the link as soon as I can get my kid to do it for me =C2- My test pilot who is also my instructor flies the Ford trimotor for the EAA , is an acrobatic instructor and has tons of big biplane time.=C2- He als o weighs 225lbs. =C2- While my empty weight (TOW for those overseas) was heavy at 816 with oil, h er CG was very good.=C2- She can carry a 230 pounder with 12 gallons befo re we get to 20=9D, and can carry a 200 pounder with 20 gallons befor e we hit our rear CG.=C2- The weight is all forward and the heaviness is attributable to the use of douglas fir, C-90 with starter, generator and ba ttery.=C2- A 20 gal wing tank, mufflers, sidepipes and heavy landing gear .=C2- However, I made the tail VERY light and it paid off.=C2- I =99m using a Cloud Car prop and the combo of the C-90 and that prop seems t o really help her climb.=C2- =C2- Here=99s the scoop. =C2- Tail was up before 2,000rpm, she evidently =9Clevitated=9D off the pavement after maybe a 100ft roll and climbed VERY well.=C2- I have i t on video which I=99m posting.=C2- We don=99t know what she climbed at but from his experience he guessed 6-700fpm.=C2- All I know is we were two thirds down a 4,000 runway, he took off from the far end and b efore he was halfway to us was at 200 ft and turning away from the airport. =C2- The climb was deceptively steep, kind of like a big biplane.=C2- J ust kind of goes up like an elevator, but very slowly. =C2- He says she flies hands off and the rigging doesn=99t need to be chan ged.=C2- Stalls very straight and kind of mushes.=C2- Did two very tigh t circles, he said about 2.5 g=99s and she showed no tendency to do a nything bad.=C2- Got her up to about 100 in a shallow dive and the wings didn=99t come off.=C2- She landed easily on the pavement and tracke d straight and true.=C2- Smoke system worked too, though I got oil on my tail.=C2- =C2- I have to modify the brake cables as the inner housing pulled through the p lastic housing during run up, so I have to find some stouter cable ends.=C2 - My instructor comes back on the 27th, at which time we=99ll fly t he champ a bit and then off I go!! =C2- GOD IS GOOD =C2- Douwe =C2- Ps.=C2- Keving, I can=99t believe that picture of you! =C2- PSS.=C2- DAN, I was hoping to fly formation with you next year!! ________________________________ Message 59 ____________________________________ Time: 07:00:41 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: More Pietenpol Roots in Oklahoma From: aircamperace@yahoo.com I am sorry to hear about your loss. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 7, 2012, at 5:26 AM, "TaiwanTeacher" wrote: > > Greetings, Mark, et al. > > Your thread popped up on a search yesterday (Aug 6th), as I sometimes perform one on the anniversary of my father's death in a Pietenpol crash back in 1983 in Shelton Washington. > > You see... I am Orrin D. Hoopman, grandson of Orrin C. Hoopman. > > Not sure if any of you Pietenpol buffs know the bit of trivia that Orrin C.'s eldest son died while being blessed to be a passenger in a Pietenpol for the first time since he rode in his father's Air Camper back when he was four years old, circa 1938. Delbert Orrin Hoopman (my father) and I had searched airshows for years trying to find any Pietenpols. We sure found a beauty that day, the prettiest one we had ever seen. The owner/pilot (who survived the crash) was a wonderful guy named Fred Imrie from British Columbia. I lost contact with him years ago, but continue to wish him well on these anniversaries. > > Please take good care of my Aunt Bernis "Bernie" and all her family when you hook up with them in OK. Tell her that Orrin says, "Hello from Taiwan!" > > Over and out. > > -------- > Pietenpol's Forever! > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380262#380262 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 60 ____________________________________ Time: 07:16:05 PM PST US From: johnwoods@westnet.com.au Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: "RE-PIET" FLEW!!!!!!!!!!!! Congratulations Douwe. Great to hear she's a gentle lady. You must be itching to take her up. Looking forward to the video. Best regards, John Woods Perth, Western Australia Do not Archive. ________________________________ Message 61 ____________________________________ Time: 07:21:17 PM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: "RE-PIET" FLEW!!!!!!!!!!!! Well, you'll just have settle for giving me a ride... Big congrats, Douwe! Fantastic job! Do not archive -- Dan Yocum yocum137@gmail.com On Aug 8, 2012, at 1:16 PM, "Douwe Blumberg" w rote: > Well, after ten years of work and one MAJOR setback and rebuild (hence the name RE-PIET) NX799B successfully flew this morning! > > I am in the process of posting the video on youtube and will send the link as soon as I can get my kid to do it for me > > My test pilot who is also my instructor flies the Ford trimotor for the EA A, is an acrobatic instructor and has tons of big biplane time. He also wei ghs 225lbs. > > While my empty weight (TOW for those overseas) was heavy at 816 with oil, h er CG was very good. She can carry a 230 pounder with 12 gallons before we g et to 20=9D, and can carry a 200 pounder with 20 gallons before we hit our rear CG. The weight is all forward and the heaviness is attributable t o the use of douglas fir, C-90 with starter, generator and battery. A 20 ga l wing tank, mufflers, sidepipes and heavy landing gear. However, I made th e tail VERY light and it paid off. I=99m using a Cloud Car prop and t he combo of the C-90 and that prop seems to really help her climb. > > Here=99s the scoop. > > Tail was up before 2,000rpm, she evidently =9Clevitated=9D off the pavement after maybe a 100ft roll and climbed VERY well. I have it on v ideo which I=99m posting. We don=99t know what she climbed at b ut from his experience he guessed 6-700fpm. All I know is we were two third s down a 4,000 runway, he took off from the far end and before he was halfwa y to us was at 200 ft and turning away from the airport. The climb was dece ptively steep, kind of like a big biplane. Just kind of goes up like an ele vator, but very slowly. > > He says she flies hands off and the rigging doesn=99t need to be cha nged. Stalls very straight and kind of mushes. Did two very tight circles, he said about 2.5 g=99s and she showed no tendency to do anything bad . Got her up to about 100 in a shallow dive and the wings didn=99t co me off. She landed easily on the pavement and tracked straight and true. S moke system worked too, though I got oil on my tail. > > I have to modify the brake cables as the inner housing pulled through the p lastic housing during run up, so I have to find some stouter cable ends. My instructor comes back on the 27th, at which time we=99ll fly the cham p a bit and then off I go!! > > GOD IS GOOD > > Douwe > > Ps. Keving, I can=99t believe that picture of you! > > PSS. DAN, I was hoping to fly formation with you next year!! > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 62 ____________________________________ Time: 07:30:01 PM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: T.C. is watching Ok, Enough's enough. T.C. - as much as you think the magical phrase "do not arch ive" works, let me tell you, it doesn't. I talked it over with Mr. Dralle a nd the "do not archive" is a vestige of the *old* forum system. Go ahead an d test it - do this google search; site:matronics.com pietenpol "do not archive" Ta-da! They're all there! I can just hear you say, "Rats!" So, what should we focus your attention on, instead? I dunno... Best! Dan Do not archive -- Dan Yocum yocum137@gmail.com On Aug 8, 2012, at 7:27 PM, Lawrence Williams wrote: > Even though I'm in B.C. I still have (limited) access to a computer when I can find one. > > With all the back-dated digests I see, a lot is happening BUT... > > even though it's nice to send well wishes to Kevin and say how groovy Douw e's reincarnation is along with various other topics, please remember that s omeone searching the archives in 5-10 years won't even know who they are. In other words.... > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > more of your forgettable "postcards" and save the archive space for the th ings that will be helpful in the future. > > Larry "Top Curmudgeon" Williams > not flying (bad wx) in Pemberton, B.C. > > do not archive > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 63 ____________________________________ Time: 07:32:48 PM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Another Piet is Born - the rest of the story... Excellent news! Wow! What a great day with 2 new Piets in the air (or almo st there...). Ya done good, Gary! Congrats! Now, go fly! -- Dan Yocum yocum137@gmail.com On Aug 8, 2012, at 5:08 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: > It seems that Mr. Dilbeck has seen two examples of hose clamp failure, bot h of which were caught in time. One was what appeared to be a compressing of the rubber, which led to the clamp loosening, then rotating and rubbing on a fuel line. The other was a fuel line hose clamp that had an internal failur e of some sort (he guessed it was over-tightened), and was doing no clamping at all....there was evidence of fuel leakage. I'm not sure how a safety wir e would have helped in either case. He confessed that his preference for se eing the safety wire was merely personal, and could only make recommendation s. > > Below, is a picture of my tail wheel, after he changed the cotter pin: > > > > Not too clear, but he has taken the part of the pin that is normally bent o ver the bolt, and curled it around to tuck into a notch on the nut. He recom mends this in areas where something may catch on the cotter pin, causing it t o lose its position, catch a =98tag-along=99 or cause bodily har m, such as around our feet and legs in the cockpit. > > He was a pleasant, concerned and helpful individual, fully prepared with p aperwork, and the whole thing went well. He voluntarily assigned me a 50 mil e radius, only because he feels 25 isn=99t enough, as a pilot might te nd to get bored with the =98race track=99. > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gboothe5@comcast.net > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 2:15 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another Piet is Born > > > NX308MB just became an airplane! The inspection was quite pleasant...I'll f ill you in on those pesky hose clamp safeties when I get back to my computer .. > > Mike Groah - Meet me at 1,000' south of Lodi...and, may the best man win! > > Gary from Cool > Do not Archive > > Sent on the Sprint=C2=AE Now Network from my BlackBerry=C2=AE > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > > http://forums.matronics.com > > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > ________________________________ Message 64 ____________________________________ Time: 07:34:44 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Another Piet is Born From: Dan Yocum Whaaaa? 3 new Piets? How did I miss the Groah's announcement?? Jeez, I'm tired of issuing congrats! ;-) Oh well, Congrats! -- Dan Yocum yocum137@gmail.com On Aug 8, 2012, at 5:55 PM, Michael Groah wrote: > > Awesome Gary!!!!! > Congrats. And I accept your challenge. The race to forty hours is on! I'm ahead at 0.9 hrs! > > Mike Groah > Do not archive > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Aug 8, 2012, at 2:14 PM, gboothe5@comcast.net wrote: > >> >> NX308MB just became an airplane! The inspection was quite pleasant...I'll fill you in on those pesky hose clamp safeties when I get back to my computer. >> >> Mike Groah - Meet me at 1,000' south of Lodi...and, may the best man win! >> >> Gary from Cool >> Do not Archive >> >> Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > ________________________________ Message 65 ____________________________________ Time: 07:36:52 PM PST US From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: T.C. is watching But Dan, does it at least place them in a segregated file so that you don't have to dig through them when looking for info on wood or brakes? Blue Skies, Steve "Do Not Archive" D ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: T.C. is watching > Ok, > > Enough's enough. T.C. - as much as you think the magical phrase "do > not archive" works, let me tell you, it doesn't. I talked it over > with Mr. Dralle and the "do not archive" is a vestige of the *old* > forum system. Go ahead and test it - do this google search; > > site:matronics.com pietenpol "do not archive" > > Ta-da! They're all there! I can just hear you say, "Rats!" > > So, what should we focus your attention on, instead? I dunno... > > Best! > Dan > > Do not archive > > > -- > Dan Yocum > yocum137@gmail.com > > On Aug 8, 2012, at 7:27 PM, Lawrence Williams < wrote: > > > Even though I'm in B.C. I still have (limited) access to a computer when I can find one. > > > > With all the back-dated digests I see, a lot is happening BUT... > > > > even though it's nice to send well wishes to Kevin and say how groovy Douwe's reincarnation is along with various other topics, please remember that someone searching the archives in 5-10 years won't even know who they are. In other words.... > > > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > > > more of your forgettable "postcards" and save the archive space for the things that will be helpful in the future. > > > > Larry "Top Curmudgeon" Williams > > not flying (bad wx) in Pemberton, B.C. > > > > do not archive > > > > > =================================== > =================================== > =================================== > =================================== > > ________________________________ Message 66 ____________________________________ Time: 08:03:52 PM PST US From: Dave and Connie Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: T.C. is watching Good. I have seen that phrase on so many useful technical messages over the years that I am glad to see it gone. It makes it really hard to search the archives when great answers are missing. Dave On 8/8/2012 10:29 PM, Dan Yocum wrote: > Ok, > > Enough's enough. T.C. - as much as you think the magical phrase "do > not archive" works, let me tell you, it doesn't. I talked it over > with Mr. Dralle and the "do not archive" is a vestige of the *old* > forum system. Go ahead and test it - do this google search; > > site:matronics.com pietenpol "do not archive" > > Ta-da! They're all there! I can just hear you say, "Rats!" > > So, what should we focus your attention on, instead? I dunno... > > Best! > Dan > > Do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 67 ____________________________________ Time: 08:05:21 PM PST US From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Good information on turning back to the runway Gentlemen, and Kevin, You might be interested to read some of the articles by Dr Dave Rogers on turnback after Engine failure. He discusses in depth the options. They are very scholarly articles and some have complex math, but he does a good job of explaining thing to me and I am a true luddite. Dr. Rogers is a Beechcraft Bonanza owner and just retired as the Professor of Aeronautical Engineering at The Naval Academy (Annapolis). He is a really nice guy to boot. He was the chief pilot for the Naval Academy's flight test engineering course. Here is a link to his technical flying site. http://www.nar-associates.com/technical-flying/technical-flying.html Blue Skies Steve D ________________________________ Message 68 ____________________________________ Time: 09:18:37 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Some disassembly required From: Ken Bickers This evening I began the disassembly process to finish up some varnishing and to begin fabric covering. The wings are now off; tail feathers to come off in the next few days. Here is how my Piet looked midday. Cheers, Ken Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 69 ____________________________________ Time: 09:28:06 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: T.C. is watching From: "K5YAC" I don't feel so bad now. [Laughing] -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380485#380485 ________________________________ Message 70 ____________________________________ Time: 10:26:06 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: T.C. is watching From: "DO NOT ARCHIVE" yocum137(at)gmail.com wrote: > Go ahead and test it - do this google search; > > > site:matronics.com pietenpol "do not archive" > > > Ta-da! They're all there! > > Best! > Dan > > > Do not archive > > > > -- Dan Yocum > yocum137@gmail.com (yocum137@gmail.com) > > CURSES!! I'm foiled again... ;-) -------- Brett Phillips PLEASE DO NOT ARCHIVE! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380486#380486 ________________________________ Message 71 ____________________________________ Time: 10:32:53 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: T.C. is watching From: "DO NOT ARCHIVE" steven.d.dortch(at)us.arm wrote: > But Dan, does it at least place them in a segregated file so that you don't have to dig through them when looking for info on wood or brakes? > > Blue Skies, > Steve "Do Not Archive" D > > --- Ah, grasshopper, but that is how to search to find the _GOOD_ answers! :-o -------- Brett Phillips PLEASE DO NOT ARCHIVE! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380487#380487 ________________________________ Message 72 ____________________________________ Time: 10:45:20 PM PST US From: Ryan Mueller Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Good information on turning back to the runway You'll do well to attempt to forgive my ignorance=85..but please remind me why I have to read scholarly articles with complex math written by a doctor with a Bonanza=85..that will essentially say "don't do it"? It kinda feels like swatting a fly with a sledgehammer=85. Ryan Mueller rmueller23@gmail.com On Aug 8, 2012, at 10:04 PM, "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" wrote: > > Gentlemen, and Kevin, You might be interested to read some of the articles by Dr Dave Rogers on turnback after Engine failure. He discusses in depth the options. They are very scholarly articles and some have complex math, but he does a good job of explaining thing to me and I am a true luddite. > > Dr. Rogers is a Beechcraft Bonanza owner and just retired as the Professor of Aeronautical Engineering at The Naval Academy (Annapolis). He is a really nice guy to boot. > > He was the chief pilot for the Naval Academy's flight test engineering course. > Here is a link to his technical flying site. > > http://www.nar-associates.com/technical-flying/technical-flying.html > > Blue Skies > Steve D > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.