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1. 04:47 AM - Re: first piet piece done (helspersew@aol.com)
2. 05:00 AM - Re: first piet piece done (Jerry Dotson)
3. 07:10 AM - Re: first piet piece done (Michael Perez)
4. 08:43 AM - Re: first piet piece done (nightmare)
5. 09:11 AM - Re: off, off topic (taildrags)
6. 09:23 AM - Re: first piet piece done (taildrags)
7. 09:41 AM - Re: Re: first piet piece done (Jim Markle)
8. 09:48 AM - Re: Re: first piet piece done (Gary Boothe)
9. 10:08 AM - Re: Re: prop clearence (Ryan M)
10. 10:28 AM - Re: Re: prop clearence (Ben Charvet)
11. 10:29 AM - Re: Re: prop clearence (Gary Boothe)
12. 10:30 AM - Re: Re: first piet piece done (Michael Perez)
13. 10:31 AM - Re: Re: first piet piece done (Michael Perez)
14. 10:36 AM - Re: Re: off, off topic (Dave and Connie)
15. 10:51 AM - Re: Re: off, off topic (Matt Dralle)
16. 02:16 PM - Re: "RE-PIET's" first flight video on You Tube! (Pieti Lowell)
17. 04:00 PM - Blakesburg (JOSEPH SWITHIN)
18. 04:05 PM - Cavalier Project (JOSEPH SWITHIN)
19. 06:55 PM - Re: Re: first piet piece done (Mario Giacummo)
20. 07:45 PM - Re: Re: first piet piece done (Gene Rambo)
21. 08:04 PM - Re: Blakesburg (Gene Rambo)
22. 09:14 PM - "Experimental" Placard (Gary Boothe)
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| Subject: | Re: first piet piece done |
Paul,
I read 21 lbs. I thought, man that doug fir is heavy! Congratulations! Keep
after it, a little every day.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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-----Original Message-----
From: nightmare <pauldonahuepilot@yahoo.com>
Sent: Fri, Aug 10, 2012 6:12 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: first piet piece done
om>
just wanted to share my first accomplishment. completed the rudder yesterda
y
(minus hardware, fabric, varnish). was wondering if anyone has taken the ti
me to
weigh each piece. my rudder weighs 2lbs 6.6 oz and is doug fir. wanted to s
ee
how that compares. pic also shows my two future student piet pilots. dont w
orry,
i wont be posting a pic after each piece. Thanks; Paul
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Paul Donahue
Started 8-3-12
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| Subject: | Re: first piet piece done |
Paul I like the family shot. Good looking boys. The dog knows how to pose. Oh and
the rudder looks good too.
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
First flight June 16,2012
Started building July, 2009
21" wheels
Lycoming O-235 C2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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| Subject: | first piet piece done |
I am very interested in anyone's progress. You have one piece done and "few
" more to go and the plane will be finished!- Nice job.
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FYI, my completed rudder,-ready to fly, (varnish, horn, hinges, bolts, nu
ts, fabric, paint...)-weighs in at 2.12 lbs. (Including the bag it is sto
red in.)
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: first piet piece done |
Michael you know balsa wood is not approved , right? lol
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Paul Donahue
Started 8-3-12
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| Subject: | Re: off, off topic |
Mikee: not sure if you were saying that the 'do not archive' flag doesn't work,
but if you were- you haven't read this in the FAQs that Matt appends to the list
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford/Ashland, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: first piet piece done |
Hey Jim (Markle)- just curious... I looked in the FARs in the section about markings
and it says that the "N" (or "NX", in our case) is to be followed by the
registration numbers/letter. I see that the markings on your rudder are "stacked",
so to speak, and not continuous. I guess the second part follows the first
and meets the letter of the regs but I was wondering if anyone has mentioned
that to you, or if you've seen any other tail markings in the fashion that
yours are?
It also says that they should not have any ornamentation. I'd be careful about
that stylized letter "J" that you've got there ;o)
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford/Ashland, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: first piet piece done |
Oscar! You should know by now that I spend more time researching this stuff than
actually BUILDING this stuff!! :-)
Maybe that's why this is taking me so long!!!
Yes, I've seen it done this way on quite a few. Check out westcoastpiet.....
I sure hope it's not a problem for the FAA dude....cause' Julia ain't hand painting
those letters again! Well, she probably would if needed.
Jim in Pryor....putting the final coat(s) of paint on the horiz stab today....then
I'm done with the tail bits!!!
-----Original Message-----
>From: taildrags <taildrags@hotmail.com>
>Sent: Aug 11, 2012 11:23 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: first piet piece done
>
>
>Hey Jim (Markle)- just curious... I looked in the FARs in the section about markings
and it says that the "N" (or "NX", in our case) is to be followed by the
registration numbers/letter. I see that the markings on your rudder are "stacked",
so to speak, and not continuous. I guess the second part follows the
first and meets the letter of the regs but I was wondering if anyone has mentioned
that to you, or if you've seen any other tail markings in the fashion that
yours are?
>
>It also says that they should not have any ornamentation. I'd be careful about
that stylized letter "J" that you've got there ;o)
>
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>Oscar Zuniga
>Medford/Ashland, OR
>Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
>A75 power
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: first piet piece done |
Mr. Fed had no issue with my "stacked" lettering, which I had copied from
others. Interestingly, he chooses to see no value to the 'X' in the
N-number. Nor was he put off by the fact that I do not have the wording,
"EXPERIMENTAL" plastered on the side of the fuselage. His ONLY concern was
that, somewhere in the passenger cockpit, amongst the other words on that
placard, that the 'experimental' word was visible.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of taildrags
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 9:23 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: first piet piece done
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Hey Jim (Markle)- just curious... I looked in the FARs in the section about
markings and it says that the "N" (or "NX", in our case) is to be followed
by the registration numbers/letter. I see that the markings on your rudder
are "stacked", so to speak, and not continuous. I guess the second part
follows the first and meets the letter of the regs but I was wondering if
anyone has mentioned that to you, or if you've seen any other tail markings
in the fashion that yours are?
It also says that they should not have any ornamentation. I'd be careful
about that stylized letter "J" that you've got there ;o)
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford/Ashland, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: prop clearence |
How does engine choice effect prop clearance? I am building an "improved" p
iet with "cub style" gear but it's drawn with the Ford engine. Do you gain
or loose prop clearance by using a Continental?-=0A=0A=0A(archives search
ed)=0A=0AThanks,=0A=0ARyan=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From
: dgaldrich <dgaldrich@embarqmail.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
=0ASent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 6:39 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: prop
h@embarqmail.com>=0A=0AJust for reference, FAR Part 23.925 requires a 9 inc
h prop clearance for conventional gear aircraft with the aircraft in level
flight attitude or takeoff attitude (whichever is most critical) and at max
gross weight.- Also says that there must be a positive clearance with th
e most critical gear suspension collapsed (i.e. broken bungees) and a flat
tire on the same side.=0A=0AI know we don't have to conform to Part 23 but,
like AC 43-13, it's a darn good place to find useful information.- Like
the guidance from Uncle Tony, ignore it at your peril.=0A=0ADave Aldrich=0A
=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://fo
rums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379527#379527=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_
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| Subject: | Re: prop clearence |
Fords swing a longer prop slower, Conts somewhere in the middle,Corvair shor
ter but spinning faster
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On Aug 11, 2012, at 1:08 PM, Ryan M <aircamperace@yahoo.com> wrote:
> How does engine choice effect prop clearance? I am building an "improved" p
iet with "cub style" gear but it's drawn with the Ford engine. Do you gain o
r loose prop clearance by using a Continental?
>
> (archives searched)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ryan
>
> From: dgaldrich <dgaldrich@embarqmail.com>
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 6:39 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: prop clearence
>
m>
>
> Just for reference, FAR Part 23.925 requires a 9 inch prop clearance for c
onventional gear aircraft with the aircraft in level flight attitude or take
off attitude (whichever is most critical) and at max gross weight. Also say
s that there must be a positive clearance with the most critical gear suspen
sion collapsed (i.e. broken bungees) and a flat tire on the same side.
>
> I know we don't have to conform to Part 23 but, like AC 43-13, it's a darn
good place to find useful information. Like the guidance from Uncle Tony, i
gnore it at your peril.
>
> Dave Aldrich
>
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: prop clearence |
WOW! An "improved" Piet? I am afeared you have released the Cracken.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan M
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 10:09 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: prop clearence
How does engine choice effect prop clearance? I am building an "improved"
piet with "cub style" gear but it's drawn with the Ford engine. Do you gain
or loose prop clearance by using a Continental?
(archives searched)
Thanks,
Ryan
_____
From: dgaldrich <dgaldrich@embarqmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 6:39 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: prop clearence
Just for reference, FAR Part 23.925 requires a 9 inch prop clearance for
conventional gear aircraft with the aircraft in level flight attitude or
takeoff attitude (whichever is most critical) and at max gross weight. Also
says that there must be a positive clearance with the most critical gear
suspension collapsed (i.e. broken bungees) and a flat tire on the same side.
I know we don't have to conform to Part 23 but, like AC 43-13, it's a darn
good place to find useful information. Like the guidance from Uncle Tony,
ignore it at your peril.
Dave Aldrich
do not archive
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379527#379527http://www.matronic
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| Subject: | Re: first piet piece done |
Uh Oh, U better go back and rebuild the tail, wings, fusel...
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: first piet piece done |
(Oooops.)
-
I meant I better go back and rebuild the tail, wings, fusela...
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: off, off topic |
Oscar,
It looks like Matt needs to update his monthly mailing. I just did a
search on the string "do not archive " and got 3445 matches. They are
definitely in the archives now. At least some have been archiving at
least some since 12/31/2005. I'm not sure when we moved over here from
Richard Costa's site but I think it was before then.
Maybe it is a case sensitive flag?
Dave
On 8/11/2012 12:11 PM, taildrags wrote:
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> Mikee: not sure if you were saying that the 'do not archive' flag doesn't work,
but if you were- you haven't read this in the FAQs that Matt appends to the
list every month:
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> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford/Ashland, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: off, off topic |
The "do not archive" flag only applies to the Email archives and has no effect
on the Forums interface to the Matronics Lists.
Frankly, I think that the "do not archive" is way over used these days. I see
people putting it their signatures and even in the Name field of their email client.
That was never the intent of the flag. It was originally conceived as
a method of reducing the size of the archives when hard drive space was a premium.
These days, that's not really an issue.
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Admin
At 10:35 AM 8/11/2012 Saturday, you wrote:
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>Oscar,
>
>It looks like Matt needs to update his monthly mailing. I just did a search on
the string "do not archive " and got 3445 matches. They are definitely in the
archives now. At least some have been archiving at least some since 12/31/2005.
I'm not sure when we moved over here from Richard Costa's site but I think
it was before then.
>
>Maybe it is a case sensitive flag?
>
>Dave
>
>On 8/11/2012 12:11 PM, taildrags wrote:
>>
>>Mikee: not sure if you were saying that the 'do not archive' flag doesn't work,
but if you were- you haven't read this in the FAQs that Matt appends to the
list every month:
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>>Oscar Zuniga
>>Medford/Ashland, OR
>>Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
>>A75 power
>>
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| Subject: | Re: "RE-PIET's" first flight video on You Tube! |
Douwe , congrats on a fine and beautiful Pietenpol . I did notice that the runways
did not have drainage ditches on either side of the strip this time. Your
engine sounds like an Allison, and the subject of 180 Degree turns on take-off
is no stranger to your first, first flight, and at less than 200 feet.
Good luck in the near future, and see you at Brodhead after a number of hours under
your belt just to give a great guy a lot of confidence.
Pieti Lowell
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Dick,
I will get to Blakesburg on Thursday around noon. I will leave Saturday afternoon.
Joe
Morris, IL
hunting and gathering
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| Subject: | Cavalier Project |
A friend of mine has came across a Cavalier Project. If anyone knows of someone
who may be interested and knows if a builders group, please let me know. I' am
always a day behind with the messages.
Joe Swithin
Morris, IL
Hunting and Gathering
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| Subject: | Re: first piet piece done |
JUA!!!!!
Mario Giacummo
2012/8/11 nightmare <pauldonahuepilot@yahoo.com>
> pauldonahuepilot@yahoo.com>
>
> Michael you know balsa wood is not approved , right? lol
>
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> Paul Donahue
> Started 8-3-12
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| Subject: | Re: first piet piece done |
Is the word experimental on the placard? Know it says amateur built...
On Aug 11, 2012, at 12:48 PM, "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
> Mr. Fed had no issue with my =9Cstacked=9D lettering, which I h
ad copied from others. Interestingly, he chooses to see no value to the
=98X=99 in the N-number. Nor was he put off by the fact that I do not h
ave the wording, =9CEXPERIMENTAL=9D plastered on the side of the
fuselage. His ONLY concern was that, somewhere in the passenger cockpit, am
ongst the other words on that placard, that the =98experimental=99
word was visible.
>
> <image003.jpg>
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li
st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of taildrags
> Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 9:23 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: first piet piece done
>
> --> <taildrags@hotmail.com>
>
> Hey Jim (Markle)- just curious... I looked in the FARs in the section abou
t markings and it says that the "N" (or "NX", in our case) is to be followed
by the registration numbers/letter. I see that the markings on your rudder
are "stacked", so to speak, and not continuous. I guess the second part fo
llows the first and meets the letter of the regs but I was wondering if anyo
ne has mentioned that to you, or if you've seen any other tail markings in t
he fashion that yours are?
>
> It also says that they should not have any ornamentation. I'd be careful a
bout that stylized letter "J" that you've got there ;o)
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford/Ashland, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
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>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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I'm planning on making Blakesburg. Not sure what days. (not in my Piet, of c
ourse)
Gene
On Aug 11, 2012, at 6:59 PM, JOSEPH SWITHIN <joeswithin@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Dick,
> I will get to Blakesburg on Thursday around noon. I will leave Saturday af
ternoon.
>
> Joe
> Morris, IL
> hunting and gathering
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| Subject: | "Experimental" Placard |
Yes. It=99s just one of those labels that you get from the EAA.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene
Rambo
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 7:45 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: first piet piece done
Is the word experimental on the placard? Know it says amateur built...
On Aug 11, 2012, at 12:48 PM, "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
wrote:
Mr. Fed had no issue with my =9Cstacked=9D lettering, which
I had copied from others. Interestingly, he chooses to see no value to
the =98X=99 in the N-number. Nor was he put off by the fact
that I do not have the wording, =9CEXPERIMENTAL=9D plastered
on the side of the fuselage. His ONLY concern was that, somewhere in the
passenger cockpit, amongst the other words on that placard, that the
=98experimental=99 word was visible.
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Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
taildrags
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 9:23 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: first piet piece done
--> < <mailto:taildrags@hotmail.com> taildrags@hotmail.com>
Hey Jim (Markle)- just curious... I looked in the FARs in the section
about markings and it says that the "N" (or "NX", in our case) is to be
followed by the registration numbers/letter. I see that the markings on
your rudder are "stacked", so to speak, and not continuous. I guess the
second part follows the first and meets the letter of the regs but I was
wondering if anyone has mentioned that to you, or if you've seen any
other tail markings in the fashion that yours are?
It also says that they should not have any ornamentation. I'd be
careful about that stylized letter "J" that you've got there ;o)
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford/Ashland, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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